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Is it possible Path is sylar and had an order in to kill Cronin? |
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03-06-2008, 09:36 PM | #1303 | |
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As per post 1203, Thomkal says he tried to spy on me but was blocked. |
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03-06-2008, 09:40 PM | #1304 |
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Alan,
I mentioned earlier today I spied on Grey and got what sounds like a similar "ad" if not the exact one that you did earlier. |
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I trailed Mauboy on night 1 I said this in my reveal post
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03-06-2008, 10:01 PM | #1307 |
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For what it is worth, Path indicated earlier that he had a non-hero role that is a hero in this format. I checked him out last night to see if he was HRG, since he was the most direct person in suggesting he had a non-good role (per show). But he is not HRG.
Still two more people that are alive and kicking that I scoped as well, neither of which are HRG. I'll discuss if people want to go down that path ... I don't think someone is going to fake-reveal as a role that is pretty clearly in the game so I'm not sure how much advantage there is to holding onto this info. I know it isn't as good as some of the other spy info, but figured I would share what I've learned from my actions. |
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Neon, just for the record, I believe the scenario you detailed about RendeR was probably just a random thing. I say that because I was typing up my vote while RendeR had posted his. I thought I was the first vote on you. Of course, as it turns out you gained trust from me from Ardent. I claim no knowledge of RendeR's thoughts, but those were mine.
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RendeR has had a long day. RendeR worked out....numerous...times..today. RendeR has no thoughts....
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No powers I am aware of, although jeheinz hinted I might acquire more as the game goes on.
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I learned that if someone sweeps you off your feet it is not always a good thing. Especially if they fly........but surprise!
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I'll set it out as a timeline. This is across the first two days. I don't think the exact timing matters, just the order. 1- I get my PM telling me I am Matt Parkman and can communicate with one other person, oliegirl, who is West Rosen. I send her a PM to say hello. 2- She gets back to me and asks me if I know anything about the show I can pass to her. 3- Having read about West Rosen in the thread, I ask olie about her abilities and if flight is one of them. 4- Her last PM to me confirmed her ability (flight, helping her spy and hiding from being spied), and that she could also PM with nfg. She said nfg told her he could also speak with GRF, and that his ability was communicating with two people, whom he could choose (by comparison, I don't get to choose). So olie's PM ability with nfg was chosen by him, not her original ability. And jeheinz said my ability to communicate with West Rosen was preset in my character set (for some reason). She also tells me what she did with her power on N1 and what she intended to do N2. olie is night killed 5- As olie is dead, I receive a new mental connection, a person I have not yet (nor intend to) reveal. Everything else is public. Shortly after discovering olie's death and my new connection, nfg came out with his posts, seeking my backing. I confirmed what he said that I could confirm (I was not privy to his GRF suspicions, so that is on him).
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I can think of one other reason for sure. I'm hoping to find some verification as I catch up.
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Don't know if nfg misunderstood, but what I understand is that olie was chosen by nfg, and that's why she had that power (it was actually his power). Her ability to communicate with me seems to be all from my power. So oliegirl was some sort of non-telepathic mental intersection, and that's it.
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Did you see anyone around me? Anything like that?
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OK, this pretty much tells me that Sylar tried to kill me last night. I was blinded, lifted high in the air and dropped. Fortunately, I get one free survival on an attempt on my life (I am Adam Monroe), and have an decent but decreasing ability to survive further attempts. So as I was catching up I was trying to get a sense of who might be able to fly. But if Sylar steals powers from those he kills, and Oliegirl could fly, and there was no kill last night.........I think it ties together nicely.
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I'll get a vote in. I won't be around tomorrow again.
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Hmm, interesting theory. Not sure if it all fits, though. oliegirl said her ability was only for spying or hiding. I guess Sylar could combine a kill ability he already has with her flight ability, though (it's possible, although I don't know it's a leap I would necessariyl make without further cooberative evidence).
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Yall are stoopid. GRF is Sylar...serious...Also. How would Lathum get my PM to someone else? Ask GRF if any of my PM's were CCed?
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03-07-2008, 12:42 AM | #1320 |
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oops...name calling..I take the first part back. Sorrry...
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03-07-2008, 01:30 AM | #1321 |
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Not quite the elaborate defence I had been looking forward to. Once again, if Grey is Sylar why did he tell you his power? The only way I could see anything suspicious in the whole thing is if he lied about his power if he wanted to scare you off voting for him. I'm a bit troubled by the cc business as I pointed out. But not troubled enough not to vote for you.
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Seems like an easy enough vote, considering his defense was less than convincing.
Vote nfg I also would be open to revealing my name later.
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I have my concerns for this runaway and how it's come about, because I'm not sure about all of our sources on this.
That said, Occam's Razor states nfg is not a goodie. It would take a conspiracy of some size to get us to this point without it being true. VOTE NFG I'll be out all day again until tomorrow night, and since it's Friday night, I probably won't be back early.
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There are other options. Nathan Petrelli could be company and could have tried to kill you. Peter Petrelli could be company and leeched someone else's flight power and tried to kill you. You wouldn't have thought that Sylar would want to drop someone as it would mash their brains, but then again I guess it's time to move away from any assumptions about Sylar's abilities or modus operandi. |
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756 - Alan votes Cronin (1-0)
789 - Render votes Jackal (1-1) 805 - Jackal votes Thomkal (1-1-1) 819 - Cronin votes Schmidty (1-1-1-1) 856 - Neon votes Render (1-1-1-1-1) 859 - path votes Barkeep (1-1-1-1-1-1) 862 - Jackal unvotes Thomkal, votes Grey (1-1-1-1-1-1) 893 - Schmidty votes Cronin (2-1-1-1-1-1) Cronin leads 911 - Chief votes Grey (2-2-1-1-1-1) Grey/Cronin tie 912 - Wednesday votes mauboy (2-2-1-1-1-1-1) 942 - Barkeep votes Wednesday (2-2-1-1-1-1-1-1) 955 - Neon unvotes Render, votes Thomkal (2-2-1-1-1-1-1-1) 971 - SnDvls votes Barkeep (2-2-2-1-1-1-1-1) Grey/Cronin/Barkeep tie 977 - DT votes Wednesday (2-2-2-2-1-1-1-1) Grey/Cronin/BK/Wed tie 990 - Clap votes nfg (2-2-2-2-1-1-1-1-1) 1010 - Render unvotes Jackal, votes Grey (3-2-2-2-1-1-1-1) Grey in lead 1014 - Narc votes Cronin (3-3-2-2-1-1-1-1) Grey/Cronin tie 1037 - hoops votes Thomkal (3-3-2-2-2-1-1-1) moves Thomkal in tie with BK and Wed, one back from lead 1039 - Neon unvotes Thomkal, votes Cronin (4-3-2-2-1-1-1-1) 1042 - Neon unvotes Cronin, votes Thomkal (3-3-2-2-2-1-1-1) 1043 - Clap unvotes ngf, votes Thomkal (3-3-3-2-2-1-1) moves Thomkal into tie at top with Cronin and Grey 1044 - Lathum votes Barkeep (3-3-3-3-2-1-1) makes 4 way tie at the top 1057 - Thomkal votes Cronin (4-3-3-3-2-1-1) Puts Cronin at the top 1064 - Wednesday unvotes mau, votes Grey (4-4-3-3-2-1) Ties Grey up with Cronin 1072 - Grey votes Cronin (5-4-3-3-2-1) Cronin in the lead again 1087 - Clap unvotes Thomkal, votes Cronin (6-4-3-2-2-1) 1096 - Hoops unvotes Thomkal (6-4-3-2-1-1) 1098 - Neon unvotes Thomkal (6-4-3-2-1) Thomkal now has no votes 1102 - Hoops votes Wednesday (6-4-3-3-1) Ties wed up with BK 3 off of Cronin 1103 - nfg votes Cronin (7-4-3-3-1) Cronin up by three 1106 - mau votes Wednesday (7-4-4-3-1) Wed/grey three off of Cronin 1109 - SnDvls unvotes Barkeep, votes Cronin (8-4-4-2-1) 1129 - Wednesday unvotes Grey, votes Cronin (9-4-3-2-1) 1130 - Grey unvotes Cronin, votes Wednesday (8-5-3-2-1) 1143 - Neon votes Cronin (9-5-3-2-1) |
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I hate slow days without much going on Think I'll try to work out a list of whom I actually trust and don't trust soon.. We should keep in mind there is no weekend game play, so I'm pretty sure alot of people will disappear shortly after deadline today and not come back until some point Monday.
I think if we want any valuable discussion before Monday's 1pm deadline, we might want to have some of it today. I know I usually am fairly busy on monday mornings myself at least! I'm working under the assumption that NFG is company. I felt he was before Lathum's reveal.. Lathum revealing just seems to make it even more likely, there really is very little possibility that Lathum would do a fake reveal like that at this point. I'm also thinking if we do a mass reveal we should do it today.. there are only 8 people left without any kind of information.. and I need some direction on what to do with my spy ability tonight I think. |
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Thomkal spied on Ntndeacon, saw him die nothing else Sndvls spied on mauboy Alan T spied on Ntndeacon, saw him dead. Schmidty spied on ? Lathum read Alan's PM learned he tailed someone night 2: Thomkal used his other un-named ability last night Sndvls spied on Alan T Alan T spied on Hoopsguy Schmidty spied on ?? Lathum supposedly had no read PM action Night 3: Thomkal attempted to spy on Grey but was blocked by advertisement Sndvls spied on ? Alan T spied on Schmidty Schmidty spied on lathum Lathum read nfg's PM Path states he was attacked by flying man (possibly Sylar) |
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I'll go ahead and fully reveal, just so people can get a name out there. I was hesitant in revealing previously because I wasn't sure how Sylar's ability worked, or needed to work.. if he needed to figure out where someone was to kill them or what.. As the game has progressed my ability was modified by jeheinz to the point that I don't think there is much different between me and evidentally several other people's powers.
I am Molly Walker. Initially I was told that I would be able to think about someone, locate them on the map and get a partial glimpse to their surroundings to see them and what happened to them. My first night I was told I concentrated on the map and was told Ntndeacon was in Coral Gables, Florida and I saw him thinking.. then realized he wasn't thinking but instead dead. Night two I received a viagra ad, but Sndvls' description of following me follow someone troubled me since well my role isn't supposed to do that, so I asked Jeheinz about it and he told me that it was a bit difficult to get the whole map thing in, so my role was modified to basically be the standard witness/spy role.. and thus on night 3 I simply followed Schmidty as I mentioned. Since my power at this point seems replicable by 3-4 people I don't think that I'm really a high priority kill other than just plain revenge at this point. |
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Basically did that to avoid complacency as it all seems to be going too easy. With all the spying and kill avoids that the heroes can do I'm starting to wonder whether there were 5 wolves to start with or if they've got some nasty powers we haven't thought about. It's also easier to do the vote thingy today than Monday.
Things get interesting around 1000 when Render pushes Grey out into the lead. At the time I was strongly considering voting Thomkal but realised he only had one vote and didn't want to cause a fustercluck™. Anyway, this will be my analysis based solely on these results, without considering what day two vote analysis told us. 1) If you buy the wolves trying to centre a vote around Grey, as Lathum is implying then you've got to be suspicious of Grey votes. That would be Jackal, Chief, Render and Wednesday. Wednesday's switch at 1064 tied up the vote between Grey and Cronin, and he only really deserted the sinking ship when it was obvious that Cronin was going down. Of the four his actions certainly look the most suspect. 2) Hoops voting looks questionable. Having heard my reasoning that I didn't want to vote for Thomkal and create a big tied race he went ahead and voted Thomkal. Now he knew that I was planning a vote on Thomkal and as I was still logged on (although I was not around) he may have thought that I might switch from Cronin to Thomkal. Had I done so, that would have put Cronin one behind with a Grey/Thomkal tie at the top. I think it's fair to say that that could have changed the entire vote dynamic as Thom might have voted Grey rather than Cronin. After Thom's reveal he takes his vote off and sits on it. However in his defence he doesn't put his vote on Grey later on who was really the only viable anti-Cronin option at the time. Overall I have to say that hoops' moves here look pretty suspect though. 3) I'm afraid that nfg's vote really doesn't fit in with a picture of him being a wolf. He'd already established the anti-Grey line so why vote for Cronin when the voting is 6-4 Cronin-Grey. Obviously he might fear a retaliatory strike by Grey so he washed his hands of Cronin and tried to get capital by the vote. Just seems a bit too early to give up the fight for Cronin to me. It's hard to say, but I guess the inevitable vote tonight will tell us. 4) Barkeep seemed to be acting in much the same way as Cronin was during the Ardent vote. Maybe this is for Ardent reasons but the episode 1120-23 where Barkeep encourages Neon and mau not to vote Cronin and to vote Wednesday raises a few eyebrows. However, I think that that's really too obvious a ploy by a wolf and I would be surprised if BK is a wolf. 5) Clap looks good for switching to Cronin rather than Grey when Cronin was only one in the lead. I look good for voting Cronin Thomkal looks good for voting Cronin when there was a tie and he could have pushed Grey instead. Most of these only work if Grey isn't a wolf though, of course. Overall, based solely on these votes I'm more suspicious of hoops and Wednesday. I'm more inclined to trust Clap, Thomkal and nfg. |
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Looking back on the day two voting we need to have a long look at Wednesday.
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Perhaps it was a little different watching it all unfold in Real time, but NFG was around for quite a while pushing people to vote Grey.. He waited and waited and waited though. He only voted Cronin once pretty much the people around who could possibly save Cronin seemed exhausted votewise. My impression of NFG's vote is that he wanted to save Cronin, but couldn't get enough traction from other people to vote elsewhere and gave up voting Cronin because he didn't want to be killed by Grey, if his power claim was really true (as it appears Grey and NFG didn't really care too much for each other, I could see Grey offing NFG) |
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It certainly could have been someone else with that ability or the power to steal an ability. This is where my ignorance of the show comes in. I defer to the folks who know the characters better than I, and will just amend my story to say that someone who is bad either has or had the ability to fly last night (since I can't come up with another scenario for being lifted high and dropped).
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Well, the two scenerios I see are: 1) Sylar was the night 2 kill of oliegirl, then stole her power and used it to try to kill you. If that is the case why didn't he kill night 1? What was he doing then? Also what was up with the Company on night 2, why did they not kill? Did they have multiple conversions, or multiple missed kills or combination of the two or what? Alot of questions here. 2) Someone with flying ability in this game has it as an assassin type power.. Where they can do exactly what they did to you. I personally probably wouldn't have chosen you, but I don't necessarily think someone targeting you makes them bad.. as at least in my book up till now I knew so little about you and still pretty much have you in my neutral list as far as trust goes. Just like I play on hunches alot, I'm sure others do too and perhaps something you did or said tipped them off to want to try out their hunch on you. I think if/when more people reveal/get revealed we will be able to piece this together a bit better |
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Dola, and as Narcizo listed possible people who could have the ability, I wouldn't be suprised to see a Nathan Petrelli as a good guy with an assassin type power.. but its all just speculation for now.
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The attack on you certainly gives us another reason for revealing as I'd be very interested in hearing if someone is a character you'd expect to be able to fly (ie. a Petrelli).
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03-07-2008, 07:55 AM | #1340 |
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I would think it very possible for Adam Monroe to be sylar
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Does anyone need a current vote count? I'd be happy to...but, well...
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I'm guessing, given the circumstances, that no-one's really bothered to keep track. Anyroad, currently without a name claim as far as I can see we have Claphamsa The Jackal Render Greyroofoo DaddyTorgo Mauboy1 Schmidty Neon Chaos Mr Wednesday |
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Yes, I'm Nathan P. And I can fly! WOOHOOO! SUPER AWESOME!!
I have 2 types of power 1) An ardent-esque "passive" power - I can fly away if attacked by Sylar/Company (random chance of success based on die roll - decreases each time though). 2) A one-time kill which strips me of that ability to fly - haven't used it yet and I'm holding onto it. I've seen before how useful these things can be late in games to end things or swing the game in our favor, should we for some reason get in trouble. |
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vote nfg
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Clap - unknown
Hoops - Claire Bennet The Jackal - unknown nfg22 - Maury Parkman RendeR - unknown Thomkal - DL Hawkins Lathum - Micah Sanders path12 - Adam Monroe Greyroofoo - unknown (some speculation based on powers) SnDvls - Ando Masahashi DaddyTorgo - Nathan Petrelli mauboy1 - unknown Schmidty - unknown Neon Chaos - unknown Chief Rum - Matt Parkman Barkeep49 - Daniel Linderman Mr. Wednesday - unknown Alan T - Molly Walker |
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I accept that people should have some concerns over my voting record so far this game. That said, my role has been out there for one day. I'm a frequent scan target early in games. People have had, and will continue to have, opportunities to scan me. The cunning wolf (Ardent) is out of the game. I've got perhaps the most prominent character on the show, which has been uncontested.
Also, HRG found me last night so I'm down to seven unknowns. I'm willing to have some discussions about this as people see fit, although I'm not initially inclined to out him if he doesn't want to come public himself. |
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