WW CXLVI: Portal GAME OVER - Test8

[bhlloy]

Originally Posted by Narcizo

One thing I'm not sure Bhlloy has addressed is why he put Britrock on his happiness list when he'd pretty much been after him for a lot of the game. Was it solely a question of Britrock vs Julio and trusting Britrock more. However as I'm about to go for the night I doubt that will be answered.

Missed this. Honestly because I felt that way at that point. First game Britrock > UTR Julio. Really the whole happiness thing sucked for a game I have no idea what is going on. My trust list is 2 right now, so having to come up with 7 really sucked. And I didn't know that I would save britrock either. Had I known that, I might have put more thought into it at the time

[Raiders Army]

Let me try to put the nail in the coffin here (for better or for worse)
UNVOTE RAGONE
VOTE BITROCK

[Marc Vaughan]

Unofficial tally ...

Official Tally:
Ragone (1) - Raiders
Britrock (5) - Narcizo Ragone Pass PackerFanatic. britrock, RA
PackerFanatic (4) - tyketime Simbo MarcV Barkeep, britrock88
tyketime -

Last minute run on BritRock coming up? ...

[Marc Vaughan]

Personally not got a good feeling about BritRock going down here - but also want to see a BIG different in the votes before the deadline if possible in case anyone has hidden voting powers again .... last thing we need is a tie.

[Marc Vaughan]

Unofficial tally ...
Ragone (0) -
Britrock (7) - Narcizo Ragone Pass PackerFanatic. britrock, RA, MarcV
PackerFanatic (4) - tyketime Simbo Barkeep, britrock88
tyketime -

Unvote PackerFanatic
Vote BritRock88

Just to make sure there is a decent amount of space between the two

[Marc Vaughan]

PS - Don't trust my tally, its probably wrong as I did it in a hurry (in the middle of debugging something).

[tyketime]

Originally Posted by Marc Vaughan

PS - Don't trust my tally, its probably wrong as I did it in a hurry (in the middle of debugging something).

Did you fix the part of the code where 10-man QPR gives up two stoppage time goals?

[tyketime]

Originally Posted by Marc Vaughan

Unofficial tally ...
Ragone (0) -
Britrock (7) - Narcizo Ragone Pass PackerFanatic. britrock, RA, MarcV
PackerFanatic (4) - tyketime Simbo Barkeep, britrock88
tyketime -

Unvote PackerFanatic
Vote BritRock88

Just to make sure there is a decent amount of space between the two

Wasn't able to get home at lunch today, so just sitting down to read thru today's happenings.

Marc - On Britrock's line - it should be bhlloy and then those updated totals look correct. And it looks like KWhit and mckerney have yet to vote..

Here is my unofficial updated one:

Ragone (0) -
Britrock (7) - Narcizo Ragone Pass PackerFanatic. bhlloy, RA, MarcV
PackerFanatic (4) - tyketime Simbo Barkeep, britrock88
tyketime (0) -

Not voted yet: KWhit & mckerney

[Ragone]

Haha tyketime

[Simbo Klice]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

The bolded is a great point by Narcizo. To those of you saying bhlloy should be commended for his honesty -- if Julio dies and britrock doesn't, and there's no explanation, wouldn't you just vote britrock without much pause? It's looking more to me like this was all done to save him from that.

VOTE BRITROCK

This is a great point, but I also agree that wolves probably wouldn't let one of their own slip to the bottom. That being said, britrock was also there because he was highly suspicious and voting for him would have drawn that suspicion their way.

They might have decided using the power and having another wolf come out to say "I did that, my bad" was the best way to save him, where we'd ask the least amount of questions and hopefully avoid just stringing him up the next day.

Looking back, the Happy List was pretty much going to be a villager losing unless we had someone dead-to-rights, but like I said earlier, there was a lot more voting insight to be gained with it.

Unvote PF
Vote britrock88

[britrock88]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

FWIW, my thinking is that we're wolf-wolf, so I'm not too concerned with voting blocs.

I probably can't convince you at this point, but you're wrong.

[britrock88]

Also, I will say that the run on me may render irrelevant something the villagers might need...

[Simbo Klice]

Originally Posted by britrock88

Also, I will say that the run on me may render irrelevant something the villagers might need...

I'm listening.

[Ragone]

here comes the last minute wolf trying to get votes off them move

[britrock88]

I have maintained that I'm a villager throughout. (Of course, a wolf would say the same.) But I can tell you this about the most recent test: bhlloy received a cube from CF, used it to press a button, received the blue portal device, and used it during the happy test to surreptitiously alter the vote.

As a result of this, I was saved. I also have come to believe, despite an early suspicion of him and after wrestling with the motivations for his voting for / saving me in the happy test, that he is a villager, because he saved another villager.

Today, the orange portal device is in play. Someone who has already voted for PF has it. I don't know how powerful it is, exactly, but there may increase the power of that person's vote.

Unfortunately, that has no bearing on the question of whether this race is V/V, V/W, W/V, or W/W. But I've stated my belief at this point that bhlloy is a villager because he was able to obtain and use the blue portal device. I've mentioned that someone else obtained the orange portal device and voted for PF. And I'll leave it at that.

[Simbo Klice]

Originally Posted by britrock88

I have maintained that I'm a villager throughout. (Of course, a wolf would say the same.) But I can tell you this about the most recent test: bhlloy received a cube from CF, used it to press a button, received the blue portal device, and used it during the happy test to surreptitiously alter the vote.

As a result of this, I was saved. I also have come to believe, despite an early suspicion of him and after wrestling with the motivations for his voting for / saving me in the happy test, that he is a villager, because he saved another villager.

Today, the orange portal device is in play. Someone who has already voted for PF has it. I don't know how powerful it is, exactly, but there may increase the power of that person's vote.

Unfortunately, that has no bearing on the question of whether this race is V/V, V/W, W/V, or W/W. But I've stated my belief at this point that bhlloy is a villager because he was able to obtain and use the blue portal device. I've mentioned that someone else obtained the orange portal device and voted for PF. And I'll leave it at that.

Hmmm. Well this is all conjecture, but you're trying to get us to believe that you got saved by the blue device, and if we kept the votes close you might be saved once again, this time by the orange device, which is in the possession of someone who voted for PackerFanatic? How would you know that anyway, unless one of your buddies outside the thread had it?

String this wolf up.

[KWhit]

Originally Posted by britrock88

Today, the orange portal device is in play. Someone who has already voted for PF has it.

How do you know who has the device?

[britrock88]

Originally Posted by KWhit

How do you know who has the device?

I'm not allowed to communicate with anyone else...

[britrock88]

Oh, I should focus on your incentive for voting instead of mine: lynch me and the wolves could very well win tonight.

[KWhit]

Originally Posted by britrock88

I'm not allowed to communicate with anyone else...

So you can PM with the guy with the other portal?

[britrock88]

Not even him. He voted for me tonight, anyway.

[Simbo Klice]

Originally Posted by britrock88

I'm not allowed to communicate with anyone else...

Ok, so you're implying that you have it. That still doesn't convince me that you're not a wolf.

[KWhit]

So you can't PM with him?

Then what the hell does this mean?

Originally Posted by britrock88

I'm not allowed to communicate with anyone else...

[KWhit]

I'm not buying Britrock's story at all.

[britrock88]

There's no proof that having a portal would make one a villager. But given our observations of the difficulties the villagers have had with the game thus far, doesn't it seem that it would be unfair for a wolf to have a portal device? How would lynching a player with a portal device affect the villagers' ability to go forward? I don't know if bhlloy's device is effective once again in tonight's vote. But if it did, it seems crucial at this stage of the game, where there are fewer villagers who can collaborate to lynch the same number of wolves that we started with.

[KWhit]

Originally Posted by britrock88

Today, the orange portal device is in play. Someone who has already voted for PF has it.

I'll repeat the question: How do you know who has the orange portal device?

[britrock88]

"Know thyself."

[Simbo Klice]

Originally Posted by britrock88

There's no proof that having a portal would make one a villager. But given our observations of the difficulties the villagers have had with the game thus far, doesn't it seem that it would be unfair for a wolf to have a portal device? How would lynching a player with a portal device affect the villagers' ability to go forward? I don't know if bhlloy's device is effective once again in tonight's vote. But if it did, it seems crucial at this stage of the game, where there are fewer villagers who can collaborate to lynch the same number of wolves that we started with.

Now my head is starting to hurt. What exactly are you saying your device does? Yours also effects voting?

[britrock88]

To the best of my knowledge.

[Ragone]

is it possible that britrock is a "brutal" wolf... and could kill after a lynch? we are done if thats the case anyway.. man.. either way.. we gotta be right

[britrock88]

Look at it this way: I'm saying enough now that I'm probably easy prey for tonight's night kill. Voting elsewhere may give the village an extra chance at a wolf while you still get to satisfy your curiosity about me, courtesy of the wolves.

[KWhit]

Oh jeez. I get what you're saying now. Maybe I'm dense.

[KWhit]

Ok. Lay it all out on the table. You're probably going down unless you reveal everything. How did you come by the orange device?

[britrock88]

I was a VV for the first several days. I received a storage cube on Friday, and used it to press one of the buttons that was presented to us later that day. Over the weekend, I learned that the orange portal device's power was that it may affect my vote.

[Simbo Klice]

Originally Posted by britrock88

Look at it this way: I'm saying enough now that I'm probably easy prey for tonight's night kill. Voting elsewhere may give the village an extra chance at a wolf while you still get to satisfy your curiosity about me, courtesy of the wolves.

I agree that if you're not a wolf, you'd almost certainly be nightkilled with what you're representing. And I am right on the cusp of believing you, despite the convoluted means of getting here. I just feel like if I switch my vote, and you still hang and turn out to be a wolf, I'd be next and that would lose a much-needed day for the villagers. I guess even though I all of a sudden don't feel great about this lynch, unless sentiment turns strongly in your favor I wouldn't be comfortable with switching my vote.

[KWhit]

I would love to hear from bhhloy when he got his storage cube.

[KWhit]

I'm really ticked off that I'm starting to believe brit a little, because I thought I had some things figured out and this would blow that out of the water.

[Ragone]

A night kill isn't assured btw. we still alledgedly have a protector out there.

So if you are really interested and are a villager with power or a role.. you better stop being vague and put it all on the table now..

[Simbo Klice]

Originally Posted by KWhit

I'm really ticked off that I'm starting to believe brit a little, because I thought I had some things figured out and this would blow that out of the water.

Same here. I hate, hate, hate, the position that we are in right now. I have no idea what to even do on this one.

[KWhit]

Well, if anyone other than Brit has the orange portal device, now would be a good time to reveal.

[mckerney]

Vote britrock88

Agree that he doesn't seem believable and I have nothing else to go on.

[tyketime]

Oh my... I just don't get why all of this is coming to light now. I begged players to start sharing information early. Now instead we are left to scramble and decide how much truth there is versus a last minute ploy.

[Ragone]

Its probably just a desperate wolf play tyke.. but at this point.. we have little to go on unless we nail a wolf..

[KWhit]

Originally Posted by bhlloy

Here's my problem with britrock being a wolf... It would have been no effort at all for the wolves to have him on 2 or 3 of their happy lists to avoid him ever being in that situation. I just can't believe we weren't villager - villager in that kind of a vote because it would be so easy to make sure the wolves got a couple votes. They had no way of knowing I had the extra vote and would use it on britrock

This is what I keep coming back to.

Why would the wolves let Brit get into that position yesterday when it would be so easy to save him?

[KWhit]

Vote Packerfanatic

[Ragone]

Someone got an updated voting tally?

[tyketime]

Is it 9-4 britrock?

[KWhit]

Yes.



Britrock (9) - Narcizo, Ragone Pass PackerFanatic. bhlloy, RA, MarcV, Simbo, Mckerney
PackerFanatic (4) - tyketime, Barkeep, britrock88, KWhit

[britrock88]

Originally Posted by tyketime

Oh my... I just don't get why all of this is coming to light now. I begged players to start sharing information early. Now instead we are left to scramble and decide how much truth there is versus a last minute ploy.

Well, this is the first test for which the orange device is in play. I didn't see much benefit to talking about it (and although I know the impression will still be that I'm being vague, I'm giving you all I have -- remember this is a game where things are being revealed to us slowly, and there is no exception here) until the two-horse race of earlier today took a turn for the worse.

[KWhit]

Any switchers? For better or worse, I believe Britrock.