Werewolf LXX Pleasure Cruise - (GAME OVER)

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by The Jackal

It wasn't really about a disadvantage. I believe I said this in my first post of today - I figured that maybe if the groups split up there was a chance of finding an item, or something along those lines. I realize that it was risky but in all honesty it was the first action I'd had during the game and I wanted to maybe try and make something fun happen.

So why not state this publicly? Why cause the problems that you and Qwik had with how you paddled? What if he had chosen to go leisurely? I mean you could have really mucked this up. I think the idea that more ground could be covered is a good idea, so why not say so?

[path12]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

On the whole crime scene issue: what crime scene? We've seen no evidence of a crime yet. Perhaps I should add Anxiety and make it a square of suspicion instead.

Doesn't have the zazz of Triangle of Trepidation. Not bad though.

[The Jackal]

BTW, the underground didn't approach me on my shopping trip, at least not yet. My choices were just two different types of shops to visit - a pawn shop, or craft stores.

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by The Jackal

Besides, Qwik chose moderate anyways, so even if I had gone slow wed've outgained you eventually. For some reason I just didn't believe that everyone was gonna pick slow and leisurely, sorry if I misled you.

That's true and if that had happened I'd have been happy to talk with him. It just seems like you were publicly relatively on board with the idea and then privately you did something else.

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by path12

Doesn't have the zazz of Triangle of Trepidation. Not bad though.

Yeah we're still looking at the triangle for the moment.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Cronin - The lies and inconsistencies add up. It seems like he keeps trying to prevent us from doing good things. Prevent us from lynching, with claims that it was this or that that had prevented us from lynching rather than not enough numbers. Stating that having people account for their where abouts isn't a good way to find the Underground. Stuff like that.

This is completely inaccurate, manipulatively so, to the point that now I suspect you. I have NEVER tried to prevent a lynch in this game, whereas other people have consciously and intentionally not even voted. And I have not argued AGAINST accounting for whereabouts, I have simply stated that this is not going to be a game of "player x claimed to be at the disco, but nobody saw him, therefore player x is a wolf!"

[The Jackal]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

So why not state this publicly? Why cause the problems that you and Qwik had with how you paddled? What if he had chosen to go leisurely? I mean you could have really mucked this up. I think the idea that more ground could be covered is a good idea, so why not say so?

Selfishness, I guess. I didn't want us all going at the same speed. I was mildly convinced that whoever went faster would find something. But, that clearly didn't happen. I would've explained myself right at 10, but I wasn't around to do it until this morning.

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by The Jackal

Selfishness, I guess. I didn't want us all going at the same speed. I was mildly convinced that whoever went faster would find something. But, that clearly didn't happen. I would've explained myself right at 10, but I wasn't around to do it until this morning.

Fair enough I guess, but cooperation is how we win these things.

[The Jackal]

dola, qwik never said publicly how fast he wanted to go, so it was hard to predict what he'd do

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by jeheinz72

Hrm. The only doubt I have in this thought of yours Anxiety is, why would the underground choose SY?

I mean if I was a wolf, looking to get more wolves, I don't think I'd pick the guy who had amassed like 16 votes over 2 days and by the accounts of most games should be gone.

still getting caught up but I wanted to respond to this.

I think if I was a wolf and I was one of the people hot on SY early I would want to convert him so I can throw him under the bus to gain trust.

[The Jackal]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Fair enough I guess, but cooperation is how we win these things.

I won't do something like that again, cooperation is important.

[Passacaglia]

The Jackal, couldn't you have mentioned this yesterday?

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

This is completely inaccurate, manipulatively so, to the point that now I suspect you. I have NEVER tried to prevent a lynch in this game, whereas other people have consciously and intentionally not even voted. And I have not argued AGAINST accounting for whereabouts, I have simply stated that this is not going to be a game of "player x claimed to be at the disco, but nobody saw him, therefore player x is a wolf!"

I'm always concerned when actions and words don't match up. Sure you voted, but all the while arguing that our massing was not the right idea. Sure you haven't with held information you've just made it easier for others to do so by providing rhetorical cover. Go ahead and suspect me. I don't know of what, but go ahead.

[jeheinz72]

Originally Posted by Lathum

still getting caught up but I wanted to respond to this.

I think if I was a wolf and I was one of the people hot on SY early I would want to convert him so I can throw him under the bus to gain trust.

That seems like a relatively small benefit when compared to recruiting someone in a good (UTR or slightly trusted) light

I mean, I see your point, but I'd never make that play personally.

[The Jackal]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

The Jackal, couldn't you have mentioned this yesterday?

I didn't mention it yesterday before the event deadline because I didn't want to telegraph the speed I was going at. That what you mean?

[jeheinz72]

FTR, it's not that I don't believe Anxiety and his choice. I do.

I just want to stop well short of relating it to SY in any way.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Sure you voted, but all the while arguing that our massing was not the right idea.

I defy you to show us ONE post where I argued that or even implied it.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by The Jackal

I didn't mention it yesterday before the event deadline because I didn't want to telegraph the speed I was going at. That what you mean?

No, I mean after BK and PB didn't make it back.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

I hesitate to speculate too much about SY since he can now post for himself what happened.

does it say someewhere he has returned?

[The Jackal]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

No, I mean after BK and PB didn't make it back.

I was at a concert last night and didn't check the thread until this morning/afternoon when I woke up, I responded as soon as I logged on.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by Lathum

does it say someewhere he has returned?

Post 1 (or 2, or whatever) doesn't have him missing anymore.

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by Lathum

does it say someewhere he has returned?

Check post 3. His status is normal, implying that he's returned (just as path's, mine, and PB's status all just blanked when we returned).

[The Jackal]

and he's likely asleep right now so we're not going to get anything for a bit from SY, i'd say

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by jeheinz72

That seems like a relatively small benefit when compared to recruiting someone in a good (UTR or slightly trusted) light

I mean, I see your point, but I'd never make that play personally.

you would be shocked how far that kind of trust can carry you.

I have personaly won games doing it.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Post 1 (or 2, or whatever) doesn't have him missing anymore.

Originally Posted by The Jackal

and he's likely asleep right now so we're not going to get anything for a bit from SY, i'd say

ok.

I forgot he's an Aussie

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Lathum - Classic wolf Lathum move is to come out with accurate information about bad guy activity in order to gain trust. Perhaps he knew about the rope cutting because it was he who had done it. Most people I wouldn't think like this, but this is EXACTLY what he does as a wolf time and time again.

so if I cut the ropes who fixed them?

The boat didn't float away after all.

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by The Jackal

BTW, the underground didn't approach me on my shopping trip, at least not yet. My choices were just two different types of shops to visit - a pawn shop, or craft stores.

They didn;t appraoch me on my first shopping trip either.

[Lathum]

dola- I went on the flightseeing tour.

I didn't see anyone and am not afraid of heights

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

Or, it may be that we don't get a lynch until there's a wolf.

Originally Posted by st.cronin

Or actually we may still get a lynch: Alan said to correct him BEFORE pms go out, I don't have a pm yet.

Originally Posted by st.cronin

I don't buy that a certain number of votes is needed to lynch somebody. First day, we had a tie - second day, it looks like we successfully lynched Sonic Youth.

I've got to a summit, but this is the rhetoric I've been talking about. Perhaps your misdirection on the drugs has just made me see demons where there are none, but basically you've just raised my suspicion with just about all of your actions this game.

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

I've got to a summit, but this is the rhetoric I've been talking about. Perhaps your misdirection on the drugs has just made me see demons where there are none, but basically you've just raised my suspicion with just about all of your actions this game.

Dola - Those posts were found off a quick search. There's more stuff too but I'm out of time for the moment.

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by jeheinz72

FTR, it's not that I don't believe Anxiety and his choice. I do.

I just want to stop well short of relating it to SY in any way.

Right. We'll know more if the mechanics are similar tonight.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

I've got to a summit, but this is the rhetoric I've been talking about. Perhaps your misdirection on the drugs has just made me see demons where there are none, but basically you've just raised my suspicion with just about all of your actions this game.

Not one of those posts is arguing what you said I was arguing, and to your other point, I was in fact correct about Swaggs!

[jeheinz72]

Originally Posted by Lathum

you would be shocked how far that kind of trust can carry you.

I have personaly won games doing it.

yes, but the risk-reward isn't there.

I mean, see the Heroes game where you did it to nfg and it went over like a rock.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by jeheinz72

yes, but the risk-reward isn't there.

I mean, see the Heroes game where you did it to nfg and it went over like a rock.

not the same scenerio at all. not even close.

and I don't think you can really use that game to craft any sort of comparasions.

[path12]

Originally Posted by Lathum

so if I cut the ropes who fixed them?

The boat didn't float away after all.

Actually, I only remember you mentioning having knowledge about the cut ropes. Was there someone else who did that I'm spacing on?

[TazFTW]

Well it is good to know my gut was right about Swaggs
I saw ntndeacon at the shell house
he had gone stag
there was nothing exciting it was as quiet as a mouse

[jeheinz72]

Originally Posted by Lathum

not the same scenerio at all. not even close.

and I don't think you can really use that game to craft any sort of comparasions.

It's similar, but I don't think it's a stretch to say that some people wouldn't make that move (whereas some like you might).

Me personally, I'd go the safer route, especially if I myself was sailing pretty smoothly.

But back on topic

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by path12

Actually, I only remember you mentioning having knowledge about the cut ropes. Was there someone else who did that I'm spacing on?

i don't understand your question

[nfg22]

Originally Posted by mccollins

I'm thinking it might be one of the items that have already been found by people on the boat.

Speaking of, Sonic Youth gave nfg22 the 2nd half of the necklace to complete it.
The other item was nfg22 passing half to oliegirl to complete it. I'm wondering if this item might help me?

Did anyone find anything useful when shopping??

What I gave Oliegirl would not help you...

[path12]

Originally Posted by Lathum

i don't understand your question

What I'm saying is that I don't remember anyone but you actually seeing the cut ropes and your repair of them.

So if nobody else actually witnessed this except you the whole thing could be made up.

I thought that someone else did mention it, but I haven't had a chance to go back and check so just thought I'd ask.

[st.cronin]

I'm also curious if Passacaglia received anything and what he plans to do with it.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by path12

What I'm saying is that I don't remember anyone but you actually seeing the cut ropes and your repair of them.

So if nobody else actually witnessed this except you the whole thing could be made up.

I thought that someone else did mention it, but I haven't had a chance to go back and check so just thought I'd ask.

as far as I know I am the only one who saw them.

but why make that up?

[Qwikshot]

Originally Posted by The Jackal

dola, qwik never said publicly how fast he wanted to go, so it was hard to predict what he'd do

"For the record, Jackal (not to be confused with the band Jackyl with a Y) is correct, I read his post about finding out what speed to go but this was so much later I believe that I just went with moderate pace, figuring that it was the best thing to do, in hindsight, I probably should have stated to go whatever pace Jackal was going, but that not being an option, I went with slower, I mean hey it's a cruise, I want to sightsee..."

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by Lathum

as far as I know I am the only one who saw them.

but why make that up?

Lathum, I asked this earlier but you never answered, is it possible that the ropes were cut by somebody not on the ship, or by somebody as they were leaving the ship?

Also:

Hoopsguy: You mentioned that you could do a good deed or a bad deed, are you willing to reveal what the bad deed would have been?

[mccollins]

Originally Posted by Lathum

as far as I know I am the only one who saw them.

but why make that up?

I have no reason to believe the rope cutting story either.

I mean, we have your word, but you already admitted to lying about the heavy drinking / hangover.

Maybe that's how WW is played around here, but I don't like lying in the game at all.

[path12]

Originally Posted by Lathum

as far as I know I am the only one who saw them.

but why make that up?

To gain trust, of course.

[path12]

Originally Posted by mccollins

Maybe that's how WW is played around here, but I don't like lying in the game at all.

I think it's hard to play WW without any lying, especially if you're a wolf. The only thing that it's frowned on to lie about here is real world availability stuff. Well, that and playing as a duplicate account.

[KWhit]

Originally Posted by mccollins

I have no reason to believe the rope cutting story either.

I mean, we have your word, but you already admitted to lying about the heavy drinking / hangover.

Maybe that's how WW is played around here, but I don't like lying in the game at all.

I don't like it either, except for obvious things like lying about being the seer, etc.

Lying as a villager just confuses the other villagers, because the wolves always have more information than the villagers, so we need all the information we can get.

[mccollins]

Originally Posted by path12

I think it's hard to play WW without any lying, especially if you're a wolf. The only thing that it's frowned on to lie about here is real world availability stuff. Well, that and playing as a duplicate account.

Yeah, I think that was my main point: lying = wolfishness.

[mccollins]

Originally Posted by ntndeacon

mccollins the people in the gift shop of the conch shop said that this powder could heal burns and stings if applied tothe skin. I think it is a lot of hooey, but what the heck i have a chance to get another souveneer later. You can have it.

THANK YOU! Alan, please advise if ntndeacon has to actually PM you this pass.