Werewolf XXVIII: Mad Wizard and the Wolves (Game over Pg45) - Page 27

SirFozzie · 06-05-2006, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Alan T

Which office are you in? I moved a little bit back (since I'm almost never in Mass and didnt feel like driving 2 hours to work each way when I was.) There are alot of EMC offices near where I live now.

Over in Hopkinton (The 495 exit right by the Pike), at one of the main buildings, 171 S Street)

Abe Sargent · 06-05-2006, 04:47 PM

My Internet was down for a couple of hours there. Blasted college campuses. Normally a T1 but with a high noise ratio and a lowered chance of reliability than an alternative Internet source.

I still don't have a good idea who to vote for here fellas. I think my vote is eitehr on hoops or saldana from much earlier in our four day long Day4, but I can't remember. I'll almost assurdly move it though, just as soon as someone sells me on who to vote for.

I'm going to grab dinner now, I should be back in an hour to ninety minutes.

-Anxiety

Barkeep49 · 06-05-2006, 04:54 PM

Well it seems like we've learned little this day except that Schmidty is suspicious of hoops and hoops thinks Anxiety is innocent.

Alan T · 06-05-2006, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by SirFozzie

Over in Hopkinton (The 495 exit right by the Pike), at one of the main buildings, 171 S Street)

Yeah, thats 5 minutes from my new place. on my way to work. I moved to Milford, just next to the Hopkinton line. I'll have to invite you over for lunch or beers some time to get you drunk so you'll tell me who to go after on lynch votes.

Ok anyways, enough Masstalk sidetracking. back to today's lynch.

Blade6119 · 06-05-2006, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

The difference here is that the BEST kill for the wizards team is probably the pack leader. That's why I think both hoops and I are safe for now.

Thats what i thought last night

st.cronin · 06-05-2006, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Well it seems like we've learned little this day except that Schmidty is suspicious of hoops and hoops thinks Anxiety is innocent.

Yeah, it's been an unremarkable weekend/day. What I realized today (monday) is that even if Anxiety is lynched, and shown to be bad, that doesn't tell us much, either.

Abe Sargent · 06-05-2006, 05:48 PM

My date was late in arriving, and I am just off now folks. I should be back around 7:30-8:30 EST or so.

-Anxiety

hoopsguy · 06-05-2006, 05:51 PM

Here is what I show for votes (don't think there were any changes in last couple of hours):

Anxiety - Cronin (922), Alan T (998), Tyrith (1002), Barkeep (1081), Coffee (1085), Lathum (1207)
Hoops - Saldana (1022), Anxiety (1029), Sack (1246)
Tyrith - Hoopsguy (1236)

No vote: Schmidty

saldana · 06-05-2006, 06:04 PM

cronin, again, i am sure i have missed it at some other point, but what exactly is it that makes you believe hoops is good?

saldana · 06-05-2006, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Anxiety

My date was late in arriving, and I am just off now folks. I should be back around 7:30-8:30 EST or so.

-Anxiety

i thought tuesday was date night?

st.cronin · 06-05-2006, 06:06 PM

I will probably not be around at deadline, since I have grillmaster duties. Somebody get me an Anchor Steam.

hoopsguy · 06-05-2006, 06:07 PM

Saldana, if possible I would like to see if you and Barkeep can establish that Coffee Warlord is sharing your role through whatever "code" you guys think makes sense. Right now he is claiming to be a shared role with you guys, but I have not seen that trust going the other way as of yet.

st.cronin · 06-05-2006, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by saldana

cronin, again, i am sure i have missed it at some other point, but what exactly is it that makes you believe hoops is good?

I sniffed him. He didn't smell like a henchman. He might be the wizard, but I think that's a long shot.

SirFozzie · 06-05-2006, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Here is what I show for votes (don't think there were any changes in last couple of hours):

Anxiety - Cronin (922), Alan T (998), Tyrith (1002), Barkeep (1081), Coffee (1085), Lathum (1207)
Hoops - Saldana (1022), Anxiety (1029), Sack (1246)
Tyrith - Hoopsguy (1236)

No vote: Schmidty

Thanks, Hoops. makes tabulating votes easier (especially since I'm still stuck at work)

I'll still verify, but it gives me a starting point

hoopsguy · 06-05-2006, 06:12 PM

Tyrith - do you trust Cronin? If so, how much do you trust his list? You wanted to look at alternate theories earlier, but I haven't heard you suggest anything besides that we need alternate theories.

If you want to go down that path, I'm your huckleberry.

saldana · 06-05-2006, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

I sniffed him. He didn't smell like a henchman. He might be the wizard, but I think that's a long shot.

ok

unvote hoopsguy
vote anxiety(my #2 suspect, but since i have believed cronin since his reveal, its hard to argue with him)

as far as confirming CW, i will have to go back and see where it is he shows knowledge of what BK and are were talking about.

st.cronin · 06-05-2006, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by saldana

ok

unvote hoopsguy
vote anxiety(my #2 suspect, but since i have believed cronin since his reveal, its hard to argue with him)

as far as confirming CW, i will have to go back and see where it is he shows knowledge of what BK and are were talking about.

That is actually very important.

Poli · 06-05-2006, 06:35 PM

I'm only here for a brief minute as a non-partisan.

What's the vote count look like?

Alan T · 06-05-2006, 06:36 PM

Looks like Anxiety is under the knife today. Right now its uhh 7-2-2 I think off the top of my head. With 1 vote outstanding

Tyrith · 06-05-2006, 06:38 PM

I don't think that it's completely out of the realm of possibility that cronin is bad. If the bad guys got role information on death, which doesn't come off as completely unreasonable, or if they have some way to track the seer, then faking it now seems perfectly reasonable. In fact, this may have been dismissed too quickly, because it seems like cronin's role is really big compared to some of the others. It is something worth investigating.

Part of me just thinks that we've been led by the nose this entire game by someone that we don't know about yet. Since I'm good, the anxiety/me/schmidty group doesn't provide all the answers. Ardent/sack is a possibility, but if that were the case, even in his diminshed available time ardent probably would have killed hoops on day 2, unless both of them are bad. If cronin is good, the only other options would be saldana and lathum for henchmen. It doesn't seem totally unreasonable either that someone in the BK/CW/SD (come on, gotta keep up the initials) group is a tag-along. So, I guess right now I'm kind of like this.

Somewhat trust: Barkeep, Coffee Warlord
Unsure: alan, saldana, lathum, sack
Distrust: anxiety, schmidty (largely because of group consensus)
Mostly trust but chance we're really screwed: cronin, hoops

Tyrith · 06-05-2006, 06:40 PM

Current vote:

Anxiety - 7: cronin (922), alan (998), tyrith (1002), barkeep (1081), CW (1085), lathum (1207), saldana (1316)
Hoops - 2: anxiety (1029), sack (1246)
Tyrith - 1: hoops (1236)

No vote: schmidty

Poli · 06-05-2006, 06:40 PM

Did someone take my spot?

saldana · 06-05-2006, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

That is actually very important.

coffee says his role description has the same phrasing that i intimated my own had, and that he picked up on barkeep and my own exchange, but he never actually acknowledges what it is, and we have no way of confirming it

check posts 986 and 1026 to see what you think for yourselves, but alarm bells started ringing in my head

Alan T · 06-05-2006, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by ardent enthusiast

Did someone take my spot?

Yeah sackattack did.

saldana · 06-05-2006, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by ardent enthusiast

Did someone take my spot?

coffee warlord is in for you

saldana · 06-05-2006, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by saldana

coffee warlord is in for you

make that sack attack

SirFozzie · 06-05-2006, 06:44 PM

Coffee's replacing Dubb, Sack Attack's replacing Ardent.

I think.

Alan T · 06-05-2006, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by saldana

coffee says his role description has the same phrasing that i intimated my own had, and that he picked up on barkeep and my own exchange, but he never actually acknowledges what it is, and we have no way of confirming it

check posts 986 and 1026 to see what you think for yourselves, but alarm bells started ringing in my head

Didnt Cronin also say he sniffed him out to be good (or at least not a henchmen, dunno about wizard role)? I had to have at least some reason to have moved him up from my neutral list to my little trust list besides that reveal of his.

st.cronin · 06-05-2006, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by saldana

coffee says his role description has the same phrasing that i intimated my own had, and that he picked up on barkeep and my own exchange, but he never actually acknowledges what it is, and we have no way of confirming it

check posts 986 and 1026 to see what you think for yourselves, but alarm bells started ringing in my head

Should we ask CW to do a reveal?

saldana · 06-05-2006, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Alan T

Didnt Cronin also say he sniffed him out to be good (or at least not a henchmen, dunno about wizard role)? I had to have at least some reason to have moved him up from my neutral list to my little trust list besides that reveal of his.

i think so, i was just about to ask him...Cronin, did you sniff CW?

even if he did, that doesnt mean he isnt the wizard

Barkeep49 · 06-05-2006, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Saldana, if possible I would like to see if you and Barkeep can establish that Coffee Warlord is sharing your role through whatever "code" you guys think makes sense. Right now he is claiming to be a shared role with you guys, but I have not seen that trust going the other way as of yet.

I'm game. So CW come play our game with us

Barkeep49 · 06-05-2006, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by saldana

i think so, i was just about to ask him...Cronin, did you sniff CW?

even if he did, that doesnt mean he isnt the wizard

He has sniffed CW. But I think establishing whether he shares our role or not has utility.

Poli · 06-05-2006, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by SirFozzie

Coffee's replacing Dubb, Sack Attack's replacing Ardent.

I think.

Thanks, Sack. I appreciate it.

hoopsguy · 06-05-2006, 06:47 PM

Cronin sniffed me, Blade, Barkeep, and Warlord (I think in that order).

st.cronin · 06-05-2006, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by saldana

i think so, i was just about to ask him...Cronin, did you sniff CW?

even if he did, that doesnt mean he isnt the wizard

Yes, exactly.

I have cleared:

Hoopsguy
Coffee Warlord
Barkeep
Blade (RIP)

I went for hoopsguy the first night, more or less a random selection. Second night I think was Blade. Barkeep was being more quiet than I'm used to, so he was the next night, and then Coffee because, replacing dubb, he didn't really have any voting history.

It is possible one of three surviving cleared players is the wizard.

Poli · 06-05-2006, 06:49 PM

Good luck, gang. I'm out for the night.

Barkeep49 · 06-05-2006, 06:50 PM

Yeah the only reason CW got in on our action was his own claim and cronin including him with us. But he hasn't done anything to suggest he's Tony Mandarich.

Barkeep49 · 06-05-2006, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

Yes, exactly.

I have cleared:

Hoopsguy
Coffee Warlord
Barkeep
Blade (RIP)

I went for hoopsguy the first night, more or less a random selection. Second night I think was Blade. Barkeep was being more quiet than I'm used to, so he was the next night, and then Coffee because, replacing dubb, he didn't really have any voting history.

It is possible one of three surviving cleared players is the wizard.

Jeez. I was quiet last game. I was simply BUSY this game.

SirFozzie · 06-05-2006, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Well it seems like we've learned little this day except that Schmidty is suspicious of hoops and hoops thinks Anxiety is innocent.

And that Foz has Yahtzee! Don't forget that

Barkeep49 · 06-05-2006, 06:56 PM

My apologies. How could I forget the YAHTZEE!!!!!!!!

Someone upthread said we don't learn much if Anxiety is killed and is a human. I think that if this is CW (Conventional Wisdom that is) then it is wrong. I think a fair amount IS learned from finding out either way if Anxiety is a baddie. However, I see no advantage to stating what these things are ahead of the lynch, so I will post what I think we learn post lynch and pre my death.

st.cronin · 06-05-2006, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

My apologies. How could I forget the YAHTZEE!!!!!!!!

Someone upthread said we don't learn much if Anxiety is killed and is a human. I think that if this is CW (Conventional Wisdom that is) then it is wrong. I think a fair amount IS learned from finding out either way if Anxiety is a baddie. However, I see no advantage to stating what these things are ahead of the lynch, so I will post what I think we learn post lynch and pre my death.

Looking forward to it, and hoping very much that Anxiety is human.

hoopsguy · 06-05-2006, 07:09 PM

Yep, I think all but three of us are rooting pretty hard for Anxiety to be human. Having failed to persuasively plea his case (which I argued harder than he did - I hate that) I'm now left with really hoping I've been dumb for the last 24 hours.

Lathum · 06-05-2006, 07:10 PM

I think it is interesting that St. Cronin "sniffed" blade the same night he was attatcked and protected.

st.cronin · 06-05-2006, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

I think it is interesting that St. Cronin "sniffed" blade the same night he was attatcked and protected.

Actually, I think it was the night before. Night 0, I sniffed hoopsguy. Night 1, Blade - that was the night Qwik was attacked. Night 2 blade was attacked and protected.

hoopsguy · 06-05-2006, 07:14 PM

Lathum, that doesn't match up (I don't think). Here is how I think it went down:

Night 0: sniffs me
Night 1: sniffs Blade, Qwikshot killed
Night 2: sniffs Barkeep, Blade's late night adventures
Night 3: sniffs Warlord, Blade killed

Tyrith · 06-05-2006, 07:27 PM

If Anxiety is lynched and is human we learn that we aren't completely idiotic, which is a little to me!

Schmidty · 06-05-2006, 07:34 PM

I don't fully trust hoops, but at this point, I don't have any proof to not believe his bodyguard claims.

I hate joining a bandwagon late, and when the results are pretty clear; however, I don't see any point in not voting Anxiety. I'm not even remotely convinced that he's bad, but:

Vote Anxiety

hoopsguy · 06-05-2006, 07:45 PM

Tyrith, sorry that I missed Post #1320 earlier.

I would be stunned if all of Anxiety/Schmidty/you were human. The game is rarely that easy - you don't normally line up three opponents at a time on Day 4 after whiffing the first three days.

I also agree, for the most part, on the AE analysis. A mitigating factor there is that he may have thought it would draw less attention in later days if he was the deciding vote going for mckerney. Who knows if that is right or wrong, but he certainly has not drawn too much heat for this vote up to this point. Or he could have figured (well, with the help of his team if he really didn't have time) that mckerney might have a more valuable role than bodyguard, so why not take their shot? I think there are arguments that can be drawn that don't give AE the benefit of the doubt for his Day 2 vote but truthfully I have extended it to him.

If there is another seer out there, I'm sure they have some questions about Cronin's expanded role. But if such a person is out there they are keeping very quiet up to this point. I would love to have a way to validate Cronin's role, but I don't see a way to get that information up to this point.

AlanT, Barkeep, Coffee, and Saldana have all posted on some level about their roles aligning with Cronin's description - none of them agreeing at first, but growing to accept Cronin's expanded posts on the matter. They can't all be lying and it would seem like a really ballsy move for Cronin to then tack on "seer" powers.

What do you make of the "traitor to the pack" info in Blade's PM? You had mentioned that you were not involved with his description of the Night 2 events, but I don't recall if you had thoughts on the use of the word traitor.

Tyrith · 06-05-2006, 07:50 PM

I don't know about blade's night two pile. My best guess is that the pack leader had a once-per-game ability to save one his pack members and decided it wasn't nearly worth it to talk about it. I can't even think of anything else that makes a lot of sense. The traitor bit was probably thrown in there to give us the relevant information that he isn't a human.

Alan T · 06-05-2006, 07:55 PM

1 hour left roughly and this long weekend is ending rather anti-climatic.

Any last hour thoughts?

06-05-2006, 04:47 PM	#1302
Abe Sargent Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Catonsville, MD	My Internet was down for a couple of hours there. Blasted college campuses. Normally a T1 but with a high noise ratio and a lowered chance of reliability than an alternative Internet source. I still don't have a good idea who to vote for here fellas. I think my vote is eitehr on hoops or saldana from much earlier in our four day long Day4, but I can't remember. I'll almost assurdly move it though, just as soon as someone sells me on who to vote for. I'm going to grab dinner now, I should be back in an hour to ninety minutes. -Anxiety __________________ Check out my two current weekly Magic columns! https://www.coolstuffinc.com/a/?action=search&page=1&author[]=Abe%20Sargent

06-05-2006, 05:48 PM	#1307
Abe Sargent Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Catonsville, MD	My date was late in arriving, and I am just off now folks. I should be back around 7:30-8:30 EST or so. -Anxiety __________________ Check out my two current weekly Magic columns! https://www.coolstuffinc.com/a/?action=search&page=1&author[]=Abe%20Sargent

06-05-2006, 06:06 PM	#1311
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	I will probably not be around at deadline, since I have grillmaster duties. Somebody get me an Anchor Steam. __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

06-05-2006, 06:35 PM	#1318
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	I'm only here for a brief minute as a non-partisan. What's the vote count look like? __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

06-05-2006, 06:40 PM	#1322
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	Did someone take my spot? __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

06-05-2006, 04:54 PM	#1303
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	Well it seems like we've learned little this day except that Schmidty is suspicious of hoops and hoops thinks Anxiety is innocent.

06-05-2006, 05:51 PM	#1308
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Here is what I show for votes (don't think there were any changes in last couple of hours): Anxiety - Cronin (922), Alan T (998), Tyrith (1002), Barkeep (1081), Coffee (1085), Lathum (1207) Hoops - Saldana (1022), Anxiety (1029), Sack (1246) Tyrith - Hoopsguy (1236) No vote: Schmidty

06-05-2006, 06:04 PM	#1309
saldana Pro Starter Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Bethlehem, Pa	cronin, again, i am sure i have missed it at some other point, but what exactly is it that makes you believe hoops is good?

06-05-2006, 06:07 PM	#1312
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Saldana, if possible I would like to see if you and Barkeep can establish that Coffee Warlord is sharing your role through whatever "code" you guys think makes sense. Right now he is claiming to be a shared role with you guys, but I have not seen that trust going the other way as of yet.

06-05-2006, 06:12 PM	#1315
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Tyrith - do you trust Cronin? If so, how much do you trust his list? You wanted to look at alternate theories earlier, but I haven't heard you suggest anything besides that we need alternate theories. If you want to go down that path, I'm your huckleberry.

06-05-2006, 06:36 PM	#1319
Alan T Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mass.	Looks like Anxiety is under the knife today. Right now its uhh 7-2-2 I think off the top of my head. With 1 vote outstanding

06-05-2006, 06:38 PM	#1320
Tyrith College Starter Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Houston, TX	I don't think that it's completely out of the realm of possibility that cronin is bad. If the bad guys got role information on death, which doesn't come off as completely unreasonable, or if they have some way to track the seer, then faking it now seems perfectly reasonable. In fact, this may have been dismissed too quickly, because it seems like cronin's role is really big compared to some of the others. It is something worth investigating. Part of me just thinks that we've been led by the nose this entire game by someone that we don't know about yet. Since I'm good, the anxiety/me/schmidty group doesn't provide all the answers. Ardent/sack is a possibility, but if that were the case, even in his diminshed available time ardent probably would have killed hoops on day 2, unless both of them are bad. If cronin is good, the only other options would be saldana and lathum for henchmen. It doesn't seem totally unreasonable either that someone in the BK/CW/SD (come on, gotta keep up the initials) group is a tag-along. So, I guess right now I'm kind of like this. Somewhat trust: Barkeep, Coffee Warlord Unsure: alan, saldana, lathum, sack Distrust: anxiety, schmidty (largely because of group consensus) Mostly trust but chance we're really screwed: cronin, hoops

06-05-2006, 06:40 PM	#1321
Tyrith College Starter Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Houston, TX	Current vote: Anxiety - 7: cronin (922), alan (998), tyrith (1002), barkeep (1081), CW (1085), lathum (1207), saldana (1316) Hoops - 2: anxiety (1029), sack (1246) Tyrith - 1: hoops (1236) No vote: schmidty

06-05-2006, 06:44 PM	#1327
SirFozzie Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: The State of Insanity	Coffee's replacing Dubb, Sack Attack's replacing Ardent. I think. __________________ Check out Foz's New Video Game Site, An 8-bit Mind in an 8GB world! http://an8bitmind.com

06-05-2006, 06:47 PM	#1334
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Cronin sniffed me, Blade, Barkeep, and Warlord (I think in that order).

06-05-2006, 06:49 PM	#1336
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	Good luck, gang. I'm out for the night. __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

06-05-2006, 06:50 PM	#1337
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	Yeah the only reason CW got in on our action was his own claim and cronin including him with us. But he hasn't done anything to suggest he's Tony Mandarich.

06-05-2006, 06:56 PM	#1340
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	My apologies. How could I forget the YAHTZEE!!!!!!!! Someone upthread said we don't learn much if Anxiety is killed and is a human. I think that if this is CW (Conventional Wisdom that is) then it is wrong. I think a fair amount IS learned from finding out either way if Anxiety is a baddie. However, I see no advantage to stating what these things are ahead of the lynch, so I will post what I think we learn post lynch and pre my death. Last edited by Barkeep49 : 06-05-2006 at 06:57 PM.

06-05-2006, 07:09 PM	#1342
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Yep, I think all but three of us are rooting pretty hard for Anxiety to be human. Having failed to persuasively plea his case (which I argued harder than he did - I hate that) I'm now left with really hoping I've been dumb for the last 24 hours.

06-05-2006, 07:10 PM	#1343
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	I think it is interesting that St. Cronin "sniffed" blade the same night he was attatcked and protected.

06-05-2006, 07:14 PM	#1345
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Lathum, that doesn't match up (I don't think). Here is how I think it went down: Night 0: sniffs me Night 1: sniffs Blade, Qwikshot killed Night 2: sniffs Barkeep, Blade's late night adventures Night 3: sniffs Warlord, Blade killed

06-05-2006, 07:27 PM	#1346
Tyrith College Starter Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Houston, TX	If Anxiety is lynched and is human we learn that we aren't completely idiotic, which is a little to me!

06-05-2006, 07:34 PM	#1347
Schmidty Coordinator Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Early, TX	I don't fully trust hoops, but at this point, I don't have any proof to not believe his bodyguard claims. I hate joining a bandwagon late, and when the results are pretty clear; however, I don't see any point in not voting Anxiety. I'm not even remotely convinced that he's bad, but: Vote Anxiety __________________ Just beat the devil out of it!!! - Bob Ross

06-05-2006, 07:45 PM	#1348
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Tyrith, sorry that I missed Post #1320 earlier. I would be stunned if all of Anxiety/Schmidty/you were human. The game is rarely that easy - you don't normally line up three opponents at a time on Day 4 after whiffing the first three days. I also agree, for the most part, on the AE analysis. A mitigating factor there is that he may have thought it would draw less attention in later days if he was the deciding vote going for mckerney. Who knows if that is right or wrong, but he certainly has not drawn too much heat for this vote up to this point. Or he could have figured (well, with the help of his team if he really didn't have time) that mckerney might have a more valuable role than bodyguard, so why not take their shot? I think there are arguments that can be drawn that don't give AE the benefit of the doubt for his Day 2 vote but truthfully I have extended it to him. If there is another seer out there, I'm sure they have some questions about Cronin's expanded role. But if such a person is out there they are keeping very quiet up to this point. I would love to have a way to validate Cronin's role, but I don't see a way to get that information up to this point. AlanT, Barkeep, Coffee, and Saldana have all posted on some level about their roles aligning with Cronin's description - none of them agreeing at first, but growing to accept Cronin's expanded posts on the matter. They can't all be lying and it would seem like a really ballsy move for Cronin to then tack on "seer" powers. What do you make of the "traitor to the pack" info in Blade's PM? You had mentioned that you were not involved with his description of the Night 2 events, but I don't recall if you had thoughts on the use of the word traitor.

06-05-2006, 07:50 PM	#1349
Tyrith College Starter Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Houston, TX	I don't know about blade's night two pile. My best guess is that the pack leader had a once-per-game ability to save one his pack members and decided it wasn't nearly worth it to talk about it. I can't even think of anything else that makes a lot of sense. The traitor bit was probably thrown in there to give us the relevant information that he isn't a human.

06-05-2006, 07:55 PM	#1350
Alan T Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mass.	1 hour left roughly and this long weekend is ending rather anti-climatic. Any last hour thoughts?

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