The official tournament time thread - Page 26

MrBug708 · 03-29-2008, 06:32 PM

Both teams aren't playing great, but UCLA manages the lead at half

Logan · 03-29-2008, 06:36 PM

Anybody know what the spread was on this game?

Lathum · 03-29-2008, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Logan

Anybody know what the spread was on this game?

6 or 6.5

MrBug708 · 03-29-2008, 06:38 PM

5.5 I think?

Lathum · 03-29-2008, 06:43 PM

6 at bodog

st.cronin · 03-29-2008, 06:43 PM

That ad with the baby vomiting disgusts me. Why, why, why.

Ksyrup · 03-29-2008, 07:00 PM

I don't watch much basketball, but this is one of the worst games I've ever seen. Between the turnovers and flat-out bricks, UCLA is winning by default. Aside from the Tampa games the first Friday, this tournament has stunk on ice.

MrBug708 · 03-29-2008, 07:02 PM

UCLA is still playing subpar, but this second half has been a bit better for UCLA.

sterlingice · 03-29-2008, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Ksyrup

I don't watch much basketball, but this is one of the worst games I've ever seen. Between the turnovers and flat-out bricks, UCLA is winning by default. Aside from the Tampa games the first Friday, this tournament has stunk on ice.

I hate to say it, but I kindof agree. Not much drama this year, really, except for that first Tampa day.

SI

st.cronin · 03-29-2008, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Ksyrup

Aside from the Tampa games the first Friday, this tournament has stunk on ice.

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Jas_lov · 03-29-2008, 07:07 PM

Xavier vs. WV, Stanford vs. Marquette, Davidson over Georgetown AND Wisconsin, UCLA's scare vs. A&M. UCLA had an easy bracket. The other 3 elite 8 games should be good and there's still cinderella Davidson left.

Ksyrup · 03-29-2008, 07:07 PM

Has there been a worse Sweet 16/Elite 8? Not one of these games has been good so far. best we've had is a competitive game into the second half that gets blown out. It's hard to believe.

Ksyrup · 03-29-2008, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Jas_lov

Xavier vs. WV, Stanford vs. Marquette, Davidson over Georgetown AND Wisconsin, UCLA's scare vs. A&M. UCLA had an easy bracket. The other 3 elite 8 games should be good and there's still cinderella Davidson left.

When you're able to tick off the decent games in this tournament this quickly, that underscores how bad it's been. And Davidson is really not a Cinderella, other than they are a small school from a small conference. They proved they could play with top teams during the season AND they were ranked fairly highly going into the tournament. But it's been so bad that the media is jumping on any half-decent story and blowing it out of proportion.

Lathum · 03-29-2008, 07:13 PM

I am now turning the game off in favor of House

Ksyrup · 03-29-2008, 07:15 PM

I haven't read a post on any page in this thread other than this one, so if this has been covered already (and I hope it has), I apologize, BUT....I FUCKING HATE BILL RAFTERY. STFU DUDE!

Jas_lov · 03-29-2008, 07:15 PM

That is a cinderella! Small school, small conference, low seed, advances further than they're supposed to. Maybe it hasn't been the best tournament, but there's still been some great games.

Ksyrup · 03-29-2008, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Jas_lov

That is a cinderella! Small school, small conference, low seed, advances further than they're supposed to. Maybe it hasn't been the best tournament, but there's still been some great games.

No, a Cinderella is all those things PLUS a team that's on the fringe. George Mason's run was a true surprise. Davidson is one of the top 20 or so teams in the nation. I don't care if they come from a school of 15 people, that doesn't make them a Cinderella.

Lathum · 03-29-2008, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Ksyrup

I haven't read a post on any page in this thread other than this one, so if this has been covered already (and I hope it has), I apologize, BUT....I FUCKING HATE BILL RAFTERY. STFU DUDE!

o c'mon. It was great when he called Kevin Love amphibous because he can shoot with his left or right hand.

Radii · 03-29-2008, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Ksyrup

I haven't read a post on any page in this thread other than this one, so if this has been covered already (and I hope it has), I apologize, BUT....I FUCKING HATE BILL RAFTERY. STFU DUDE!

Most of the announcer hate has been aimed at Billy Packer, but Raftery deserves his share too.

MrBug708 · 03-29-2008, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

o c'mon. It was great when he called Kevin Love amphibous because he can shoot with his left or right hand.

That was the greatest line I've ever heard

MrBug708 · 03-29-2008, 07:32 PM

Get the puppies together!

Lathum · 03-29-2008, 08:27 PM

assuming UNC doesn't get to far ahead the battle down low between Padget and Hansbrough is gonna be great

JonInMiddleGA · 03-29-2008, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Ksyrup

When you're able to tick off the decent games in this tournament this quickly, that underscores how bad it's been.

'Course that list does omit Duke-Belmont, San Diego-UConn, WKU-Drake, all of which were pretty good in the opening round.

BishopMVP · 03-29-2008, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Radii

Everyone will use different measures to compare coaches, but:

Through the 2006-07 season, Ford's Division I coaching record stands at 98-104, and 165-135 overall (67-31 at Campbellsville, 61-80 at EKU, 37-24 at UMass).

Grats on Ford getting his career record over .500 in division 1 this year.

That's absurdly twisting things. Ford's gone to moribund programs and turned them around - EKU from 9 wins the previous 2 years combined to 22 wins (the 1st winning season in 11 years) and an NCAA berth. Came to UMass, went from 13 wins to back to back 24 win seasons. We did see what Calipari did in his first 3 years here - 10 wins, 17 then 20 and a trip to the NIT Final Four. I very much doubt Pitino could have done any better the last three years either.

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I'm not saying he's a bad coach at all, and he's risen through the ranks really well and has UMass heading in a very good direction. But I think it takes a hell of a hatred for the power conferences(or maybe just being a major homer, and sure there's nothing wrong with that, I'm one myself) to honestly makethe argument that you'd rather have your current coach than Rick Pitino(I know that isn't exactly what you said but "arguably as good" seems to imply it).

The vast majority of mid-major coaches jump up to bigger schools when given the opportunity. The A-10 is in a unique situation where they aren't a big 6 power conference but they're a clear step above the traditional mid majors as well, but I think its completely common sense that the best coaches are going to most of the time try to take the jobs that give them the best chance to succeed, which in nearly all cases are big dollar, high prestige schools. And thus most "best coaches" lists are going to be dominated by big conference coaches, even if you for some reason discount NCAA Tournament success, which I think is a ridiculous thing to do.

And yes, I do think that all the guys in my big conference biased top 5, given 10 years, would have more success at UMass than Ford would over 10 years, or most other hypothetical situations you could come up with, and i don't think too many people will disagree!

But just like you say, the higher up the ladder coaches go, the easier it is to succeed. It's not hatred of the big conferences to say that getting to the Sweet 16 at UMass is as hard as making the Final 4 from a UNC or Kansas. That's why it's silly to use national championships or top 5 finishes as the barometer for how good a coach is. When they do a similar list in 10 years, you'll have someone from the Ford/Miller/Few class on these lists, probably at a BCS school, but they're not an appreciably better coach then than they are now. Just as Billy Gillispie isn't a better coach because he's at UK than he was when he was at UTEP or A&M, Howland didn't get better when he switched from Pitt to UCLA, Pitino didn't get any better at UK than when he was at BU/Providence and Matta isn't better at Ohio St than he was at Xavier. But yet, none of the 4 were getting on top 10 coaches lists at their old schools.

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Originally Posted by MrBug708

The problem with Arizona now is that the tools that made Lute a success, are not the tools he chooses to work with anymore. He hires poor assistants and recruits players who don't listen to him

But he does have Brandon Jennings and his phenomenal House Party fade coming in next year.

Ksyrup · 03-29-2008, 08:41 PM

My first post recognized that the Tampa Friday games were the best. And even including the other games mentioned, the real problem is that there isn't anything in between - either a few great, close games/upsets, or complete blowouts. And this Sweet 16/Elite 8 has been beyond terrible.

BishopMVP · 03-29-2008, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Ksyrup

Has there been a worse Sweet 16/Elite 8? Not one of these games has been good so far. best we've had is a competitive game into the second half that gets blown out. It's hard to believe.

Xavier-West Virginia was good.

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Originally Posted by MrBug708

That was the greatest line I've ever heard

Even when he's said it at least 4 times this tournament? And explained the reference every. single. time?

timmynausea · 03-29-2008, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Rum

1. Other than the occasional Kevin Love or Aaron Gray, he REALLY seems to have a tough time recruiting top big men.

Howland is definitely one of best, I was just nitpicking. I hadn't really considered the problem with recruiting big men, though. It's interesting, actually, that Aaron Gray is the second guy on the list, because really the Pitt coaches did a great job developing him into a quality player. He wasn't highly regarded at all, and didn't show much early in his career. He got better every year, though.

I remember Beilein watched him work out and didn't think he was D-1 material, and the cupboard was pretty bare at WVU at that point. In fact, looking it up, Gray's only offers were Rutgers and Pitt.

JonInMiddleGA · 03-29-2008, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Ksyrup

My first post recognized that the Tampa Friday games were the best.

My bad, I didn't take that into account properly.

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And this Sweet 16/Elite 8 has been beyond terrible.

I think that's got a lot to do with the teams this year. Very little I've seen this year leads me to believe there's any really great ones this season, just a handful that are capable of being very good at times and a whole bunch that are very good on their best night, pretty good most nights, and very mediocre on their worst nights. Get those two extremes together & you get the stinkers we've seen so far.

I think Tennessee is a great example of what I'm trying to say. Flaws & all I do think they're at least among the 12 or so best teams in the country this year, in the top 5 or so when they play near their potential ... but there were a number of fatal flaws with them that were obvious to anyone who watched them all year (I'm sure other people could say the same about the team(s) they see the most).

ThunderingHERD · 03-29-2008, 08:49 PM

Green has been bleeding for like 2 minutes. How did the officials miss that?

Lathum · 03-29-2008, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by BishopMVP

And explained the reference every. single. time?

enlighten us.

many. of. us. probably. don't. listen. to. all. the. commentary.

ThunderingHERD · 03-29-2008, 08:56 PM

I've heard that amphibious "joke" dozens of times from lots of different guys.

Radii · 03-29-2008, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by BishopMVP

That's absurdly twisting things. Ford's gone to moribund programs and turned them around - EKU from 9 wins the previous 2 years combined to 22 wins (the 1st winning season in 11 years) and an NCAA berth.

My entire point is that it is my opinion that it is a *major* stretch to go from "has done a great job early in his career turning programs around and is a coach on the rise" to "as good as Rick Pitino." or "not appreciably different than Rick Pitino"

Everyone has their own measures for any sort of top 5 or top 10 list, but I don't think looking at the entire career of a coach, and weighting in postseason success and recent history, is a horrendously bad thing to do.

A-10 teams have had a very good amount of success over the last 30 years. Temple had some outstanding teams, Xavier has been great recently, St Joseph's had a few great years, UMass had the years with Calapari. I don't know exactly how to view them, but I really don't really think UMass in the sweet 16 is harder than Kansas in the final four. The A-10 has been down a little outside Xavier I think lately, but they're a league capable of getting 3 teams in the tournament in many years and a deep run by an A-10 team is hardly a suprise.

Radii · 03-29-2008, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

enlighten us.

many. of. us. probably. don't. listen. to. all. the. commentary.

I honestly don't know if its on video or recorded anywhere to confirm that its more than just an urban legend, but Charles Shackleford of NC State in the mid 1980s supposedly said in an interview "I can shoot with my left or my right hand. I'm amphibious"

At the time, NC State had two superstars, Chris Washburn and Shackleford, who might not have scored a 1000 on the SAT if you added up their scores(Washburn was famous for having an SAT score under 500), and shackleford wasn't much smarter.

I'm not sure how this elevated from UNC and Duke fans taking jabs at the Pack and their stupid playrs, to urban legend status, but that is my understanding!

MrBug708 · 03-29-2008, 09:10 PM

Chris Taft would have been better then Aaron Gray had he stayed for all four years or had he decided to follow Ben out to UCLA

st.cronin · 03-29-2008, 09:10 PM

On the subject of top coaches, I think 3 consecutive Final Fours is really, really impressive.

I also am surprised people are so willing to dismiss Billy Donovan's accomplishment.

Lathum · 03-29-2008, 09:13 PM

Thank. You. Radii.

Arles · 03-29-2008, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Ksyrup

No, a Cinderella is all those things PLUS a team that's on the fringe. George Mason's run was a true surprise. Davidson is one of the top 20 or so teams in the nation. I don't care if they come from a school of 15 people, that doesn't make them a Cinderella.

Maybe they *should* have been a top 20 team in your eyes, but you don't get a 10-seed in the tourney if you are in the top 20. They were looked at in the exact same way by the committee as St. Marys and South Alabama. And, I think we all would have been fairly shocked to see either of those teams in the Elite 8.

Jas_lov · 03-29-2008, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Arles

Maybe they *should* have been a top 20 team in your eyes, but you don't get a 10-seed in the tourney if you are in the top 20. They were looked at in the exact same way by the committee as St. Marys and South Alabama. And, I think we all would have been fairly shocked to see either of those teams in the Elite 8.

I agree 100%.

JonInMiddleGA · 03-29-2008, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Arles

Maybe they *should* have been a top 20 team in your eyes, but you don't get a 10-seed in the tourney if you are in the top 20. They were looked at in the exact same way by the committee as St. Marys and South Alabama. And, I think we all would have been fairly shocked to see either of those teams in the Elite 8.

+1

JonInMiddleGA · 03-29-2008, 09:51 PM

Happened to notice this little blurb over at espn.com

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The four NCAA Tournament games on Friday night were decided by margins of 20, 18, 17 and 15 points. The average victory margin - 17.5 points per game was the highest in Tournament history on any four-game day in the Round of 16. The old mark: an average winning margin of 16.75 points on March 25, 1993.

Eaglesfan27 · 03-29-2008, 09:52 PM

For all of the blowout games we've had to endure since the opening round, this game is making up for it.

Arles · 03-29-2008, 09:55 PM

Yeah, gotta love Padget's game. I'm liking this L'Ville team but I need UNC to win for my bracket - torn...

Radii · 03-29-2008, 09:56 PM

That was a HUGE stop and then 3 by Lawson.

Lathum · 03-29-2008, 09:59 PM

terrible turnover there

DaddyTorgo · 03-29-2008, 09:59 PM

man...it's been right there for L'ville to take, but they just haven't

Radii · 03-29-2008, 10:05 PM

are you kidding me? Dear god Hansbrough.

Arles · 03-29-2008, 10:08 PM

Sorry UNC fans for the imagery, but Hansbrough is the 2000s version of Christian Laettner. He just owns the college game right now.

Radii · 03-29-2008, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Arles

Sorry UNC fans for the imagery, but Hansbrough is the 2000s version of Christian Laettner. He just owns the college game right now.

I understand the comparasion, but I sincerely hope he's not that big a douchebag.

Lathum · 03-29-2008, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Radii

I understand the comparasion, but I sincerely hope he's not that big a douchebag.

he doesn't seem to be a douchebag at all

Radii · 03-29-2008, 10:13 PM

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO FINAL FOUR

*breathes for the first time in 2 hours*

03-29-2008, 06:43 PM	#1256
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	That ad with the baby vomiting disgusts me. Why, why, why. __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

03-29-2008, 07:00 PM	#1257
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	I don't watch much basketball, but this is one of the worst games I've ever seen. Between the turnovers and flat-out bricks, UCLA is winning by default. Aside from the Tampa games the first Friday, this tournament has stunk on ice. __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

03-29-2008, 07:07 PM	#1262
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	Has there been a worse Sweet 16/Elite 8? Not one of these games has been good so far. best we've had is a competitive game into the second half that gets blown out. It's hard to believe. __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

03-29-2008, 07:15 PM	#1265
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	I haven't read a post on any page in this thread other than this one, so if this has been covered already (and I hope it has), I apologize, BUT....I FUCKING HATE BILL RAFTERY. STFU DUDE! __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

03-29-2008, 08:41 PM	#1275
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	My first post recognized that the Tampa Friday games were the best. And even including the other games mentioned, the real problem is that there isn't anything in between - either a few great, close games/upsets, or complete blowouts. And this Sweet 16/Elite 8 has been beyond terrible. __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

03-29-2008, 06:32 PM	#1251
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	Both teams aren't playing great, but UCLA manages the lead at half

03-29-2008, 06:36 PM	#1252
Logan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: NYC	Anybody know what the spread was on this game?

03-29-2008, 06:38 PM	#1254
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	5.5 I think?

03-29-2008, 06:43 PM	#1255
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	6 at bodog

03-29-2008, 07:02 PM	#1258
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	UCLA is still playing subpar, but this second half has been a bit better for UCLA.

03-29-2008, 07:07 PM	#1261
Jas_lov College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000	Xavier vs. WV, Stanford vs. Marquette, Davidson over Georgetown AND Wisconsin, UCLA's scare vs. A&M. UCLA had an easy bracket. The other 3 elite 8 games should be good and there's still cinderella Davidson left.

03-29-2008, 07:13 PM	#1264
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	I am now turning the game off in favor of House

03-29-2008, 07:15 PM	#1266
Jas_lov College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000	That is a cinderella! Small school, small conference, low seed, advances further than they're supposed to. Maybe it hasn't been the best tournament, but there's still been some great games.

03-29-2008, 07:32 PM	#1271
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	Get the puppies together!

03-29-2008, 08:27 PM	#1272
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	assuming UNC doesn't get to far ahead the battle down low between Padget and Hansbrough is gonna be great

03-29-2008, 08:49 PM	#1279
ThunderingHERD College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: North Carolina	Green has been bleeding for like 2 minutes. How did the officials miss that? __________________ "I'm losing my edge--to better looking people... with better ideas... and more talent. And who are actually really, really nice." "Everyone's a voyeurist--they're watching me watch them watch me right now."

03-29-2008, 08:56 PM	#1281
ThunderingHERD College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: North Carolina	I've heard that amphibious "joke" dozens of times from lots of different guys. __________________ "I'm losing my edge--to better looking people... with better ideas... and more talent. And who are actually really, really nice." "Everyone's a voyeurist--they're watching me watch them watch me right now."

03-29-2008, 09:10 PM	#1284
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	Chris Taft would have been better then Aaron Gray had he stayed for all four years or had he decided to follow Ben out to UCLA

03-29-2008, 09:10 PM	#1285
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	On the subject of top coaches, I think 3 consecutive Final Fours is really, really impressive. I also am surprised people are so willing to dismiss Billy Donovan's accomplishment. __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

03-29-2008, 09:13 PM	#1286
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	Thank. You. Radii.

03-29-2008, 09:52 PM	#1291
Eaglesfan27 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: New Jersey	For all of the blowout games we've had to endure since the opening round, this game is making up for it. __________________ Retired GM of the eNFL 2007 Super Bowl Champion Philadelphia Eagles (19-0 record.) GM of the WOOF 2006 Doggie Bowl Champion Atlantic City Gamblers. GM of the IHOF 2019 and 2022 IHOF Bowl Champion Asheville Axemen.

03-29-2008, 09:55 PM	#1292
Arles Grey Dog Software Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Phoenix, AZ by way of Belleville, IL	Yeah, gotta love Padget's game. I'm liking this L'Ville team but I need UNC to win for my bracket - torn... __________________ Developer of Bowl Bound College Football http://www.greydogsoftware.com

03-29-2008, 09:56 PM	#1293
Radii Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	That was a HUGE stop and then 3 by Lawson.

03-29-2008, 09:59 PM	#1294
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	terrible turnover there

03-29-2008, 09:59 PM	#1295
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	man...it's been right there for L'ville to take, but they just haven't

03-29-2008, 10:05 PM	#1296
Radii Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	are you kidding me? Dear god Hansbrough.

03-29-2008, 10:08 PM	#1297
Arles Grey Dog Software Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Phoenix, AZ by way of Belleville, IL	Sorry UNC fans for the imagery, but Hansbrough is the 2000s version of Christian Laettner. He just owns the college game right now. __________________ Developer of Bowl Bound College Football http://www.greydogsoftware.com

03-29-2008, 10:13 PM	#1300
Radii Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO FINAL FOUR breathes for the first time in 2 hours

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