*World Cup Game Discussion Thread* (SPOILERS)

[Dunleavy]

Originally Posted by kingfc22

Bruce better bring on Johnson to start the half.

I want Johnson, but who to take off? i see Beasley for Convey, Johnson for Dempsey?

[sovereignstar]

-this games plays out to a tie
-the Italians are up 1-0 over the Czechs while the US is beating Ghana 3-0, about 10 minutes left in each match

Is this a situation where the Italians would allow the Czechs to tie it up? Sorry if that's naive of me to ask, but does that sort of stuff go on in this day and age?

[MrBigglesworth]

Originally Posted by MIJB#19

Tackle from behind, that's a direct red card.

He definitely hit the side of the guy's ankle.

[DaddyTorgo]

johnson would thrive in the added space. johnson for mcbride and go "all speed" with dempsey and convey and johnson and donovan running at them?

[Coder]

Hitting the feet with a tackle is a yellow card, hitting the feet with two feet is a red card, hitting the feet with two feet from behind is a red card.

I'm rooting for the US to win this game, but that was a no brainer red card.

Terrible terrible decision by Mastroeni.

[kingfc22]

Originally Posted by Easy Mac

He came in from the front... I'm confused.

And he got part of the ball.

[Easy Mac]

Anyone else think the refs are in the Italians pocket? It's not like they don't have a history.

[AlexB]

Originally Posted by MIJB#19

Tackle from behind, that's a direct red card.

Don't think it was from behind MIJB - the problem was he was slightly late and although it wasn't a leaping two footed tackle, by the time he got there he'd drawn his feet together and had two sets of studs showing

The more I see it, the more the ref was right. *ducks*

[MIJB#19]

Originally Posted by Jari Rantanen's Shorts

Actually in retrospect it was two footed

Which is a red card.

May not have been totally from the back, but it's a text book red card.

[moriarty]

Red or yellow, he's an idiot for making that type of challenge in the 45' minute in edit - their half of the field. Grr....

[Critch]

On second sight, that was an ankle breaker. Stupid in the extreme to dive into a tackle like that.

[rexallllsc]

Originally Posted by Easy Mac

Anyone else think the refs are in the Italians pocket? It's not like they don't have a history.

Nope. Ref is being pretty consistent.

There was definitely wiggle room in regards to Pablo's red, but a red wasn't out of the question.

[Coder]

Originally Posted by kingfc22

And he got part of the ball.

That's only valid if he hits the ball first, not second. Feet first and he's out.

[ISiddiqui]

BULLSHIT red card on Mastro!

And the US was playing very well in the 1st half. Lots of energy and spirit! If that costs us any points, I'll be super pissed (even more than now!).

Though McBride is a warrior and I'd love to see him get a goal.

[3ric]

Originally Posted by cartman

Bullshit red card. He got to the ball.

What I saw was a dangerous tackle, and going by the book it's a red card offence.

[rexallllsc]

Originally Posted by Jari Rantanen's Shorts

The more I see it, the more the ref was right. *ducks*

Considering the officiating I've seen in this WC, we've been pretty lucky so far. This guy is spot on for the most part.

[GoldenEagle]

MIJB, you are an idiot, US hater. It was a one footed tackle. Keep hating, eurosnob. There is no fucking way that was a red card.

The baffon that is a ref needs to gback to wherever he fucking came from. Terrbile, terrbile call. There is no way.

FIFA is so in bed with Italy. That is just terrible.

[aran]

I've seen over 10 instances where tackles have been as dangerous as Mastreoni's without a red card being shown. It seems to be a make-up call, which is absurd considering the maliciousness of the Italian red card-causing play.

[moriarty]

I don't think the refereeing has been that bad. Yeah, he's missed some Italian dives, but that's the way the game's played. If you stick your foot in there recklessly, the good players know to hit the turf and get the call. Like it or not, it's pretty much the way the game is played.

[rexallllsc]

Random thoughts:

Our set pieces (offense and defending) are really poor
I'd like to see Johnson, but no one deserves to come off
I'm VERY happy with the teams effort today win, lose, or draw.
I'm glad our players don't dive to the extent the Italians do. Their diving is borderline embarrassing.

[MIJB#19]

fans of team A: bullshit!
neutral fans: good call ref.

[kingfc22]

So with a tie:
Need an Italy win and a victory over Ghana allows us to advance.

[cartman]

Originally Posted by 3ric

What I saw was a dangerous tackle, and going by the book it's a red card offence.

If he had made a motion to trip him after he got the ball, then yes, I'd agree. But the way I saw it, he slid in agressively and got to the ball first, and had a continuous motion on the slide, and didn't lift a foot to trip as he went by.

[GoldenEagle]

Masternoi even got the ball first. Just fucking pathetic.

[rexallllsc]

Originally Posted by GoldenEagle

MIJB, you are an idiot, US hater. It was a one footed tackle. Keep hating, eurosnob. There is no fucking way that was a red card.

The baffon that is a ref needs to gback to wherever he fucking came from. Terrbile, terrbile call. There is no way.

FIFA is so in bed with Italy. That is just terrible.

You serious? C'mon.

[bronconick]

Originally Posted by sovereignstar

-this games plays out to a tie
-the Italians are up 1-0 over the Czechs while the US is beating Ghana 3-0, about 10 minutes left in each match

Is this a situation where the Italians would allow the Czechs to tie it up? Sorry if that's naive of me to ask, but does that sort of stuff go on in this day and age?

Depends on whether they bet on the match or not.

*rimshot*

[ISiddiqui]

Originally Posted by aran

I've seen over 10 instances where tackles have been as dangerous as Mastreoni's without a red card being shown. It seems to be a make-up call, which is absurd considering the maliciousness of the Italian red card-causing play.

Gotta agree. Plenty of tackles similar to Mastro's with a yellow or no card at all being pulled.

[GoldenEagle]

Originally Posted by MIJB#19

fans of team A: bullshit!
neutral fans: good call ref.

Since you are neutral

[rexallllsc]

Originally Posted by cartman

If he had made a motion to trip him after he got the ball, then yes, I'd agree. But the way I saw it, he slid in agressively and got to the ball first, and had a continuous motion on the slide, and didn't lift a foot to trip as he went by.

Doesn't really matter if he went to trip or not. It was a VERY dangerous play and could've results in a broken leg/ankle.

[kingfc22]

Originally Posted by MIJB#19

fans of team A: bullshit!
neutral fans: good call ref.

I can see where it could be a red card. But I've (A) seen worse tackles this WC and (B) refs always look to give a make up call which can be said for any sport.

[MrBug708]

I think the ref had to give him a red card because that was about our 20th foul in the ha;f. Had to restore order some how and Pablo have him the opportunity

[MIJB#19]

Originally Posted by GoldenEagle

MIJB, you are an idiot, US hater. It was a one footed tackle. Keep hating, eurosnob. There is no fucking way that was a red card.

The baffon that is a ref needs to gback to wherever he fucking came from. Terrbile, terrbile call. There is no way.

FIFA is so in bed with Italy. That is just terrible.

Bye.

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by 3ric

What I saw was a dangerous tackle, and going by the book it's a red card offence.

I dunno. That sounds a lot like "by the book, that's a travel even though Michael Jordan took 2 more steps at the other end" or "by the book, that's holding/pass interference even tho it's been happening the entire game"

SI

[Critch]

Originally Posted by kingfc22

I can see where it could be a red card. But I've (A) seen worse tackles this WC and (B) refs always look to give a make up call which can be said for any sport.

I've seen challenges worse than de Rossi's be let off without a red card too. Doesn't make it a wrong call.

[moriarty]

Originally Posted by rexallllsc

Random thoughts:

Our set pieces (offense and defending) are really poor
I'd like to see Johnson, but no one deserves to come off
I'm VERY happy with the teams effort today win, lose, or draw.
I'm glad our players don't dive to the extent the Italians do. Their diving is borderline embarrassing.

Agreed on all of above. I'd like to see the free kick goal again, as I think what happened is our team was playing the offside trap, and one of the defenders got pushed back playing the scorer onside.

I would like to see Beasly come in at the 65' mark for Convey. Beasley's speed in a 10 man game could be crucial.

[cartman]

Originally Posted by rexallllsc

Doesn't really matter if he went to trip or not. It was a VERY dangerous play and could've results in a broken leg/ankle.

But, you are allowed to make a play on the ball. Since he got to the ball, and didn't trip with a trailing leg, it should have been a clean play. If he missed the ball and got him full on the ankles, then sure, it's a foul. The way I've always seen the play called is if you come from the front or side, and get to the ball first, and don't make a motion to trip or interfere after you play the ball, it's considered a good play.

[AlexB]

I've just watched the Mastroeni tackle half a dozen times, rewinding the half time analysis footage - he never even touched the ball - it was Pirlo who knocked the ball away.

Seriously, we all back our own guys, but that was a VERY bad tackle, and red was right.

[MrBigglesworth]

Originally Posted by MrBug708

I think the ref had to give him a red card because that was about our 20th foul in the ha;f. Had to restore order some how and Pablo have him the opportunity

Correction: 10th foul to go with 10 Italian dives. It's like they're trying to take charges out there.

[kingfc22]

Originally Posted by Critch

I've seen challenges worse than de Rossi's be let off without a red card too. Doesn't make it a wrong call.

First one I've seen this WC where a guy had his face bloodied. Seemed pretty clear cut to me.

[GoldenEagle]

The onyl reason that card was issed is becuase an Italian player was gived a red. FIFA has to take care of its own, right?

MIJB, you would hate to see the US beat Italy. You would hate to see the US become good at soccer. Everyone on the board knows you are a eurosnob. Always have and always will be.

[kingfc22]

Originally Posted by MrBigglesworth

Correction: 10th foul to go with 10 Italian dives. It's like they're trying to take charges out there.

Are you saying Vlade is really Italian?

[MrBug708]

America - The world no longer looks forward to playing you!

[cthomer5000]

Originally Posted by Critch

I've seen challenges worse than de Rossi's be let off without a red card too. Doesn't make it a wrong call.

I would say I find this pretty hard to believe. A blatant cheap-shot elbow that results in a bloody face not getting that call?

[Narcizo]

You've all got to be joking. I don't think I've seen a clearer red card offence that hasn't resulted in the recipient ending up in hospital. Diving in, both feet first, studs showing? It doesn't matter where he's tackling from. As far as I'm concerned it shouldn't really matter if he gets the ball. It's as clear a red card as the Di Rossi getting one for elbows.

PS you see lots of people elbowing other people and not getting a red card. It doesn't make it a wrong decision when someone is shown a red card for doing so. Same with a two-footed, studs first challenge. Just because other referees are wrong does that mean this referee has to be give an incorrect decision?

[TroyF]

Originally Posted by Jari Rantanen's Shorts

I've just watched the Mastroeni tackle half a dozen times, rewinding the half time analysis footage - he never even touched the ball - it was Pirlo who knocked the ball away.

Seriously, we all back our own guys, but that was a VERY bad tackle, and red was right.

I did the same. It was a horrible tackle, espeically considering the situation.

No way in hell it was a red.

In the end, it should have been a yellow for the foul itself and a yellow for utter and complete stupidity.

The Italians spent half the first half diving. I think it's going to be almost unwatchable in the second half. of course, I'll watch anyway.

[bulletsponge]

this is the first time ive seen Italy play so i have a question, do they always flop like that? it seemed like they fell down a lot

[cartman]

How come we couldn't get Byron Moreno to be the ref for this game?

[ISiddiqui]

Ok, 2nd half about to begin... see you guys in 45.

[AlexB]

Originally Posted by cartman

But, you are allowed to make a play on the ball. Since he got to the ball, and didn't trip with a trailing leg, it should have been a clean play. If he missed the ball and got him full on the ankles, then sure, it's a foul. The way I've always seen the play called is if you come from the front or side, and get to the ball first, and don't make a motion to trip or interfere after you play the ball, it's considered a good play.

That's not actually right - you can be sent off/booked/penalised for dangerous play: i.e. if you go in studs up and win the ball, you will liekly get a foul against you, if you do a leaping karate kick in front of someone's face but cleanly get the ball and not the man, you are likely to be penalised.

If you're dangerous play makes contact with the opponent as well, you are in big trouble

[MIJB#19]

Red card or not, Italy looks totally lost today and with 10 vs 10 I can see the USA score another one.