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View Poll Results: I think we can agree Mustang is the MVP, who did the second best job?
Airhog - Crazy Duke postings were funny, and his voting graphs were helpful 11 35.48%
KevinNU7 - Survived to the end and had some good analysis 2 6.45%
Qwikshot - Threw everyone off as the Cultist, his list was key even after he died! 5 16.13%
Desnudo - Good Bodyguard work and survived despite a lot of suspicion at times 13 41.94%
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Old 07-01-2005, 08:50 PM   #1251
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Just in case I get eaten tonight here's a brief run down of who I think is a wolf:

Swaggs - He was on my suspect list before tonight's vote and the vote simply confirmed it. The very weird switch-unswitch move seemed contrived and meant to imply indecision, when I'm sure his decision was made well in advance. Also commented on stressing about being eaten, just like Lathum. I think it's a ruse. None of the villagers seem to comment about that aspect, since it's a fact of life for them.

KWhit - Jumped to defend Lathum from Jon and also tried to deflect attention onto NTNDeacon, all in the same post. Also previously tried to indict deacon. His attention on deacon is the reason why I don't think deacon is a wolf.

I really think it might just be these two remaining, unless one of the non-voters is also a wolf. Order of viewing, lynching for me would go Swaggs then KWhit.

Further reason for me to remove my vote against Desundo, I have to say I am really believe his bodyguard statement now.
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Old 07-01-2005, 08:54 PM   #1252
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All right, I have to own up to making a mistake in voting for Kevin. I felt that my logic was sound in voting for you. But looking back through your posts, I can see that you were on Lathum before Jon mentioned anything. Unless that's some sort of game you all played, or you are the cursed villager, it doesn't make sense. Crikey.

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Old 07-01-2005, 08:54 PM   #1253
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Kevin, before last night the only one of the viewed people that could be cursed was Nequa. I think like others, Jon was targeted last night. So that would mean that the cursed was not viewed ever.
ANy care to try and validate this theory?
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Old 07-01-2005, 08:54 PM   #1254
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Well, I see Barkeep so.. maybe we will get some resolution...
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Old 07-01-2005, 08:56 PM   #1255
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ANy care to try and validate this theory?

Umm, I would but, I'm missing the theory. NTN always confused me anyways.
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Old 07-01-2005, 08:59 PM   #1256
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Well if we assume that the Cursed was attacked by the wolves one night and became a wolf then he could be the last remaining wolf. I'm jsut wondering if ntn's logic that Nequa was the only one in a position to be attacked in a cursed situation true. Remember nequa is barkeep
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Old 07-01-2005, 08:59 PM   #1257
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If NTN was referring to Jon being targeted by the Seer, that was impossible since Jon was the seer..
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Old 07-01-2005, 09:00 PM   #1258
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I am very sorry to see Airhog and Eagle go. I thought for sure Witt was going to come after me if he was the brutal wolf. I've long been suspicous of Kevin, but am not quite ready to cast a vote in that direction. Let me go back and look at the evidence to see what we've got.
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Old 07-01-2005, 09:15 PM   #1259
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Kevin unvoted then leave for the night now?
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Old 07-01-2005, 09:17 PM   #1260
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Oh wow. I didn't see that once again the spotlight had been turned back to me. I think that we have to assume that the cursed villager was turned wolf in one of the first two days. I was just about ready to let Kevin off the hook, but now he is trying to repeat KWhitt's attempts to get me killed which raises my suspicions.

My sticking point right now for Kevin is that he was the first to suggest KWhitt be killed, before any other votes had been cast. Now we know that Whitt is the brutal wolf so if the wolves assumed that a wolf was going to be killed that round it makes sense for Whitt to be the one as he gets to take a villager with him. But I do not think it was obvious at all that we were going to go for Swaggs like we did.

So I guess what I'm saying is that I'm going to have to go back and do some looking at Mustang.
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Old 07-01-2005, 09:24 PM   #1261
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I'm heading out for the night so I'll put my vote in before I go. Had I bothered to look through Kevin's initial posts before voting, coming out as the bodyguard probably would not have happened. I was nearly certain based on recent posts that he was the wolf. Unless he is the cursed, I now believe I was wrong. I'm sure the decision to announce myself will be critized when we look back at the end game. In retrospect, it was a mistake in judgement.

In any case, the only other clue I think we have at this point is Barkeep's tie vote for KWhit. It could be chalked up to him being new to the game, and/or feeling very strongly about KWhit's guilt. So it's not a definite, but it's the only thing I have to go on. It's also possible that he wanted a tie and no kill, since Peregrine had announced it. It's possible that either Mustang or Kevin got attacked later and was the cursed one. A lot of things are possible, but two things that are definites are that I'm definitely getting eaten tonight and the game is over if we're wrong.

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Old 07-01-2005, 09:24 PM   #1262
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Ok now looking back seeing that it was clear that Swaggs had a great deal of suspicion on him before voting even opened I think Kevin made a smart tactical move by trying to get KWhitt, the brutal wolf, voted out rather than the regular wolf. Therefore, I am going to go with what has been my longstanding suspicion and Vote KevinNU7
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Old 07-01-2005, 09:30 PM   #1263
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In any case, the only other clue I think we have at this point is Barkeep's tie vote for KWhit. It could be chalked up to him being new to the game, and/or feeling very strongly about KWhit's guilt. So it's not a definite, but it's the only thing I have to go on. It's also possible that he wanted a tie and no kill, since Peregrine had announced it. It's possible that either Mustang or Kevin got attacked later and was the cursed one. A lot of things are possible, but two things that are definites are that I'm definitely getting eaten tonight and the game is over if we're wrong.

I vote Barkeep

Let me get this straight. I am being criticised for voting for a wolf rather than an innocent? Think about it from a wolf's persepctive. Would a wolf rather have a tie, and no one killed, including the wolf, or have one less villager, and thus be closer to winning the game, as would have happened if I had voted for anybody but KWhitt? I argue that having one less villager is the right answer. NTN was innocent an KWhitt was guilty. Why should I be attacked for having perceived things correctly? Was I strongly confident about it? No. But I was confident enough to risk having no one be killed rather than an innocent villager. The easy route would have been to have voted for ntn or Kevin. Instead I tried to do what I thought was right. It's someone switching at the last moment, as YOU did, that is far more suspicious.
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Old 07-01-2005, 09:36 PM   #1264
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Let me get this straight. I am being criticised for voting for a wolf rather than an innocent?

A switch was definitely needed to avoid giving a tie to the wolves. A tie would have helped the wolves because it there would have been no lynching the wolves would have gotten a free kill and then we would have redone the voting and then someone would have clearly been lynched. It is just natural to try look at the person that caused the tie as opposed to breaking it as one helps the villagers and the other the wolves... That is why Peregrine put out the 'are you sure' comment.. (or whatever that was...)
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Old 07-01-2005, 09:37 PM   #1265
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Did you read the rest of what I wrote? Having a villager killed is far better for wolves than nothing. Therefore for villagers having no one killed is better than a villager killed. I stand by my actions.
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Old 07-01-2005, 09:39 PM   #1266
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I come back from one of my worst call patients ever (I can't discuss the details but I think it might get me called into a medical malpractice suit [fortunately as a witness and not a defendant] and I found out I've been eaten

I hope I gave you indigestion.
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Old 07-01-2005, 09:43 PM   #1267
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Did you read the rest of what I wrote? Having a villager killed is far better for wolves than nothing. Therefore for villagers having no one killed is better than a villager killed. I stand by my actions.

That was the debate at the time.. what is better. At the time, it was a coin flip if NTN or KWhit was next.. hmm.. I can see your point though. It would have been a definite bonus to get KWhit the next day but, I guess in hindsight, it wouldn't have mattered because KWhit would have been lynched and then probably NTN..

Having said that, I'll trust your judgement since you were right on KWhit... Kevin just unvoted and left for the night and put a few comments out... maybe that was so he could come back later and swing the vote tomorrow. I'm not sure.

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Old 07-01-2005, 09:48 PM   #1268
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Old 07-01-2005, 09:58 PM   #1269
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Of course, with the current voting, Kevin is probably going to vote for Barkeep which forces a tie and we come back tomorrow...
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Old 07-01-2005, 10:01 PM   #1270
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Old 07-01-2005, 10:02 PM   #1271
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it seems pretty clear to me now. Mustang I urge you change your mind

I vote Barkeep
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Old 07-01-2005, 10:03 PM   #1272
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Dola,

a tie isn't necessarily bad, it forces the wolf to make a move. I'm going to log in once tomorrow morning, other then that I can't do much for this weekend. If we make it another day it would have to wait until Tuesday
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Old 07-01-2005, 10:03 PM   #1273
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it seems pretty clear to me now. Mustang I urge you change your mind

I vote Barkeep

What did I miss???
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Old 07-01-2005, 10:04 PM   #1275
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Old 07-01-2005, 10:05 PM   #1276
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I think barkeep is the cursed.

You know if I change my vote and you are the wolf, people aren't going to be happy with me right? *L*
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Old 07-01-2005, 10:05 PM   #1277
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This is a very fun ending..
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Old 07-01-2005, 10:06 PM   #1278
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well except for the whole getting eaten portion of it.
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Old 07-01-2005, 10:07 PM   #1279
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well except for the whole getting eaten portion of it.

Don't feel bad.

I'm sure that you were delicious.
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Old 07-01-2005, 10:10 PM   #1280
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Unfortunately, Kevin is busy tomorrow and I'm busy tomorrow... I could see this going on for a few days. I'm still muddled in my head that If Neuqua was replaced and Desnudo IS the bodyguard then there was a reason for the replacement.. that is the cursed. Maybe I'm wrong.. blame me..

Unvote KevinNU

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Old 07-01-2005, 10:14 PM   #1281
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Looks like if Barkeep and Mustang can convince Desnudo to vote for Kevin, then we have a winner, either villagers or the wolves.

If there's no change, it's a tie, and I think we go to the chomping and gnashing of teeth, right?

If either of the two votes for Kevin change, we could have a plurality without a majority, or still a tie(depending on what Kevin does). Interesting to see what happens there.

The music is about to hit a crescendo.....
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Old 07-01-2005, 10:14 PM   #1282
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This thread is going to get 1,000 views in the next 40 minutes.. *L*
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Old 07-01-2005, 10:16 PM   #1283
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And NOW Kev can make the difference. Interesting strategic potential coming on his vote
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Old 07-01-2005, 10:19 PM   #1284
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Old 07-01-2005, 10:22 PM   #1285
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Old 07-01-2005, 10:24 PM   #1286
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Damn I wish I was playing so I could speak on this. I have a theory, if any NON-PLAYING folks want to hear it on what his strategy could be
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Old 07-01-2005, 10:24 PM   #1287
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Kill the Wolf!!!

Swaggs is already dead.. heh.. must be a wolf spirit..

Ohh.. Possessed wolves.. if a wolf dies, his spirit enters a villager.. hmmm.. now that would be interesting rule
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Old 07-01-2005, 10:28 PM   #1288
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ok fine! Kill the werewolf!!!
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Old 07-01-2005, 10:41 PM   #1289
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I'm calling the voting at midnight (20 minutes).

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Old 07-01-2005, 10:43 PM   #1290
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Ok, I've been following this since the beginning and I only have one question, what the fuck is *L*???? Is that some new internet/chat thing that makes kEwL d00d looks cool?

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Ok, I've been following this since the beginning and I only have one question, what the fuck is *L*???? Is that some new internet/chat thing that makes kEwL d00d looks cool?

My assinine way of not using LOL
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Old 07-01-2005, 10:53 PM   #1294
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Bucc, the big question is.... will you be playing along next time?
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Old 07-01-2005, 10:56 PM   #1295
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Swaggs, thanks for asking but I'll just watch. I'm just not around that much to commit.
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Old 07-01-2005, 10:59 PM   #1296
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I will definitely play next time. this was fun strategitizing, even if I couldn't post it.

Two minutes, and then we will have a winner, probably..
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Old 07-01-2005, 10:59 PM   #1297
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Old 07-01-2005, 11:00 PM   #1298
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Swaggs, thanks for asking but I'll just watch. I'm just not around that much to commit.

You could have been the newly created "Grey Wolf."

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Old 07-01-2005, 11:02 PM   #1299
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Three of you agree on lynching Barkeep, who keeps protesting his innocence. "But...but...the seer, the seer said..." Kevin finally yells "Enough out of you wolf!" and runs Barkeep through with an old spear that's been propped in the corner for some time. Hmm...strange that Barkeep isn't changing into anything though. Apparently he was an innocent villager, just as he said!

After that it's fairly quick. There's some talk of trying to leave the manor, but the snow is piled up high outside and travel would be difficult, if not impossible. That night Desnudo is ripped to shreds, and even though Kevin wakes up in the middle of it and sees the werewolf, it's far too late. With a quick leap the wolf lands on Kevin and finishes him off too. Then quiet descends on the manor...quiet except for evil laughter from the sole remaining werewolf, Mustang...


Werewolves win!!!

Nice work all, especially Mustang, who I don't think got a vote the whole game, even at the end people had no clue. Brilliant wolfing.
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