Werewolf XX - Of Demons and Elementals (Humans Win!)

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by dubb93

, i see no reason to keep my role under wraps anymore. I am the thief. I notice everything that happens to me at night b/c I don't sleep(that is how I felt the presence of the seer earlier in the game). I also have a 1 time chance to kill someone, that is now done. Last night I killed SNDVLS b/c Cronin's story did not make sense. I actually found him not in his room, but standing watch for someone doing a sacrifice, that is where I slit his throat.

Nice job, dubb!

[Poli]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

SWEET! SnDvls was a Demon! That rocks!

I hope everyone can agree that I am human now.

Yes, you moved into the trust group.

[TazFTW]

I'm wondering about the two resurrections. The two people that said they could resurrect were Barkeep and Sndvls. Sndvls is a demon, did he still resurrect a human? Is the one he resurrected still good?

[kingfc22]

All I got to say is it took me FOREVER to catch up on posts and I'm glad that dubb got SnDvls last night.

So what do we think about cronin now?

[Barkeep49]

Ok trusted humans:
Dubb
King
Saldana
WVU
Me

Trusted to not be on ourside:
Dac
St. Cronin
Grammaticus

Possible Demons:
Taz
Path

Unsure (leaning negative):
Pass
Blade

Unsure (leaning positive)
Ardent
Hoops

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by ardent enthusiast

Well, someone wasted a scan. I hope you're happy. Now someone else knows my fairly useless role. I would have much rather have you scan...say, Grammaticus, since I don't trust him.

Regardless, I just moved way up on someone's trust list. Such a waste, though.

Your role is to know when someone has scanned you? That is useless!

[Barkeep49]

I'm so pumped about getting our first demon. It finally gives us something to go off of. Now I only have to trawl through a 1000 posts to find people being linked to SnDvls that aren't apparent at first glance

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by kingfc22

All I got to say is it took me FOREVER to catch up on posts and I'm glad that dubb got SnDvls last night.

So what do we think about cronin now?

It was worth getting caught up -- welcome back, man! And you too, saldana!

[dubb93]

Actually I'm not sure about Gramm, I would like an extended conversation with the new information we have, but the vote yesterday just seemed way too easy. If we assume Cronin is an elemental, which I'm nearly 100% sure, why would he push the vote away from a demon onto a guy he was protecting. Cronin isn't on our side, but I don't think he is a demon either.

From the information we have, I would guess Gramm is our Warlock, although that could be completely off.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by ardent enthusiast

Yes, you moved into the trust group.

Can I ask why you moved Barkeep into the trust group. I'm sure there's a reason, but I don't remember it.

[hoopsguy]

Boy, leave for a minute to get some work done and actions are up.

OK, so someone is still scanning - does this mean that King was not the seer?

King, since you are around can you talk a little bit about speculation revolving around your (former?) role?

I'm very worried about the two new guys as well. I'm guessing one came back as a demon.

[st.cronin]

hmmmmmm

[hoopsguy]

Cronin, we now know that you lied about SnDvls being a human. So, lets hear it ...

Dacman, if/when you ever show up do you feel like talking about your fellow elemental?

[kingfc22]

Originally Posted by st.cronin
Blade, your analysis is somewhat off because you're ignoring a key part of what I was going for.

- I knew Gram was a demon, and thought he would be revealed as such upon lynch.
- I knew Sun was human, but more than protecting a human I was adamant that he not be lynched onthat particular day.

If you think I'm fishy and want to lynch him tomorrow, go right ahead. I am human, though, and my agenda is with the humans. I don't know who the demons go after tonight; I would assume they would go for either me or hoopsguy, since one of us knows too much. Or they may go for you, assuming you are human (I honestly don't have a read on that), or another human, one playing a more quiet game.

I promise if I am still alive I will have more information tomorrow.

So yay.

[st.cronin]

Well, that was NOT what I expected, and now nobody trusts me. I am definitely pro-human, but I have to think about how best to be helpful.

I have the highest degree of confidence that Gram is demon.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

Well, that was NOT what I expected, and now nobody trusts me. I am definitely pro-human, but I have to think about how best to be helpful.

I have the highest degree of confidence that Gram is demon.

What?? THAT'S your information?

I'd like you to hurry.

VOTE ST. CRONIN

[TazFTW]

Originally Posted by kingfc22

So yay.

And because of that.

VOTE St.Cronin

Either he's an elemental or a demon. I'm inclined to find out which.

[dubb93]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

hmmmmmm

Yea, now might be a good time to talk. You haven't made any sense at all this game.

[saldana]

oh shit. i havent kept up since i got killed...this is gonna take forever (just kidding, i have been following along the whole time). its good to be back, and although i never thought i would be saying this.....way to go Dubb, thats the first break we have gotten in this whole game.

[st.cronin]

I was obviously mistaken about Sun. I think he was converted at one point ... which actually makes sense. I stand by my assertion that lynching him yesterday would have been disastrous.

[Barkeep49]

Scratch Hoops from the leaning positive and put him in the leaning negative. He and SnDvls acted in concert against Blade early in the day. He also vouched for st. cronin, not to mention his saying "we". I dismissed it as an accidental slip-up and am not willing to do so any longer.

[Poli]

Listen, my useless role tells me that Gramm is in fact a demon. That's why I believed St.Cronin.

Bank on it.

[Poli]

Vote Grammaticus

[hoopsguy]

New list, new players:

Elementals:
Dacman
Cronin

Humans:
WVUfan (demonstrated tie-break earlier, posted description),
Blade (little bit of a leap, but think he is Duke)
Dubb (thief)
Me (role not revealed)

Unknown:
Saldana + Kingfc (I bet one came back bad after potential rez by demon)
Barkeep - priest, much closer to believing him after SnDvls
Pass - ???
Gram - protected by elementals
Taz and Path - both claim secondary tie-breaker role
Ardent - someone scanned him

[Poli]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Can I ask why you moved Barkeep into the trust group. I'm sure there's a reason, but I don't remember it.

The resurrection is what did it for me.

[Barkeep49]

Pass I'm trusted because I announced that I was going to, and then actually did, bring back King.

[kingfc22]

All I can say right now is that I still have my role that I entered the game with. Want to see how things play out before I go out and do a role reveal. And why has the assassin not come forward yet? I would think that you are human and since your role is used up (I highly doubt you get 2 kills in the game) you would NOT be a good target for the demons.

[st.cronin]

Gram is no longer protected. He's a free kill for the humans if you want him.

You people are unbelievable!!! I even told you what animal to sacrifice!

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Pass I'm trusted because I announced that I was going to, and then actually did, bring back King.

Yeah, I realized that sometime between then and now. A lot to keep track of in this game!

[st.cronin]

well, not so much told, as hinted quite strongly

[hoopsguy]

OK, so how was Gram protected yesterday?

[hoopsguy]

Did your fellow elementals protect him? Or did you move us towards an unknown that was protected while vouching for a villager?

[dubb93]

For now, VOTE Grammaticus

I'm much more willing to believe Ardent then Cronin. With Ardent saying his role let him know Gram was a demon, I'll believe him, I just hope we aren't throwing our vote away again.

[Poli]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Boy, leave for a minute to get some work done and actions are up.

OK, so someone is still scanning - does this mean that King was not the seer?

Someone sure looked deep into my soul.

[saldana]

i think we are assuming the assassin role is one one of the humans...but the elementals look like humans dont they, so what about the possibility that king and sndvls were both killed by the elementals? they each get a PK whenever they want it, and since they are in human form, what is to stop they from killing us in human form?

as for my resurrection, i came back the exact same way i left, human, and possessing the skill to kick demons in the nads (thanks to those that believed me...screw you blade )

and as far as st cronin...maybe you all should have listened to me 3 days ago when i said i thought he was evil.

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by dubb93

For now, VOTE Grammaticus
With Ardent saying his role let him know Gram was a demon, I'll believe him,

Where'd aredent claim that?

[dubb93]

Originally Posted by ardent enthusiast

Someone sure looked deep into my soul.

With that wording I believe you even more. That was the same "soul" wording I got when I was viewed, so I will vouch for Ardent on this.

[dubb93]

Originally Posted by ardent enthusiast

Listen, my useless role tells me that Gramm is in fact a demon. That's why I believed St.Cronin.

Bank on it.

Right here Barkeep.

[hoopsguy]

OK, so we have a seer. I think this becomes our most important commodity, save perhaps our druid (I use druid = human and warlock = demon, just wanted to avoid confusion).

[Barkeep49]

If we'd listened to you then, yesterday would have been very different, but who's to say Dac doesn't try the same thing instead?

[Poli]

Originally Posted by dubb93

With that wording I believe you even more. That was the same "soul" wording I got when I was viewed, so I will vouch for Ardent on this.

I was hoping someone else had the same feeling.

[Barkeep49]

Fine. He was evil yesterday and only through heathen powers is he still alive today. Blessed be the gods, I still think he's evil today. Maybe in death he will achieve salvation.

Vote Grammaticus

[dubb93]

Originally Posted by saldana

i think we are assuming the assassin role is one one of the humans...but the elementals look like humans dont they, so what about the possibility that king and sndvls were both killed by the elementals? .

I killed sndvls, don't know what happened to king, I'm assuming another human had a role that allowed him to poison him, but who really knows.

[saldana]

I usually like to believe in you Ardent, but i didnt like cronin in my first life, and i still dont...plus there have been way to many "sure thing" statements in this game, and i am not saying you are lying, but people have been wrong already in this one.

vote st cronin

[hoopsguy]

OK, if Blade and Dubb are cross-vouching for each other then I'll move Ardent into the trust list. Note that this list is intended to catch demons, not go after elementals like Cronin. We don't know his agenda, but unless we have a way of finding that out I would rather root out demons for now.

Still concerned with:
1. Grammaticus - accused by Ardent
2. Passacaglia - nothing tied to him at all that I've seen
3. Saldana + Kingfc - I think one of these guys came back as a demon
4. Taz/Path - claiming same bit role
5. Barkeep - very close to escaping this list with reveal that SnDvls was a demon

Dubb, great job with your role. As usual.
6.

[Passacaglia]

So, is hoops the only one vouching for cronin? I mean, couldn't he be wrong?

[SnDvls]

....

[hoopsguy]

6. There is no six anymore with Ardent moving to the trust list.

[hoopsguy]

Pass, I'm not wrong. I would love for someone else to be able to back me up, just on general principle, but I'm not wrong on Cronin being an elemental.

[Barkeep49]

Hoops I'm kind of miffed. You trust Blade who hasn't even used his power and are suspicous of me when I said "This is what I'm going to do" and then did it. All you did was vouch for an elemental; hardly speaks well of you there.