Werewolf LXXII: Chess (Checkmate!)

[mccollins]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

That's problematic, since that points to one of the white pawns being a wolf. That means white does not control the vote - black + wolves control the vote.

Help me here - why couldn't the other black pawn-holder be a wolf?
Seems to me they would have ordered KWhit to be killed, knowing he was a pawn and held 4 votes. That way the villagers would have less control over the voting...

[mccollins]

dola, I think I just got it - that is an extension of the 2 black wolves (hoops, Anxiety) theory. I'm with ya now.

[path12]

Originally Posted by Qwikshot

I was trying to kill the queen...but of course, that already occurred.

I saw you and was moving out of danger. Didn't do me much good.

[hoopsguy]

Originally Posted by Lathum

dola- man, it really is getting hard for me to prove I'm no wolf these days

I've got the same problem.

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

I've got the same problem.

You earned it.

[RendeR]

As for Cronin asserting that his partner is a wolf, I will politely disagree. since I am that partner.

I've stayed put thus far waiting to move on the black king. I've scanned 2 people and missed one scan due to work interference.

Lathum and Sonic Youth both came back Black to me.

lets remove the obvious wolf then focus on the rest. too much speclation today might just screw up an easy elimination of he wolves altogether.

I will be moving tonight.

I'm not sure there is anyone we do not yet know the black/white value of at this point. if there is, tell me and I'l scan them.

VOTE ANXIETY

[The Jackal]

I'll be scanning you tonight, Render. I'm 95-100% positive you're right next to me. So we'll find out if you're a wolf or not.

[The Jackal]

Oh, wait, I read that wrong. You -will- be moving tonight? Then we might have a problem. Though from what I understand, if I can see you at any point, I'll get a scan, and I think I see you now, so I should be able to tell either way.

[The Jackal]

Well, the one bad thing about a runaway vote is that no one's said a damn thing today.

[RendeR]

this is a good thing though, the less conversation we have today the less the wolves can foment chaos during the down time while we eliminate anxiety.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by The Jackal

Well, the one bad thing about a runaway vote is that no one's said a damn thing today.

Seems like evenings have been quiet throughout this game.

[The Jackal]

Originally Posted by RendeR

this is a good thing though, the less conversation we have today the less the wolves can foment chaos during the down time while we eliminate anxiety.

I guess that's true.

[The Jackal]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Seems like evenings have been quiet throughout this game.

That's actually an important note to me, because I want to make the best possible deadline time.. I'm pretty much free all day and night EST, and I'd like as many players as possible, so if anyone has any recommendations, do PM me.

[The Jackal]

dola

uh, that was for the game i'm running in probably two-three months, since i didn't make that clear, but still. since i'm free most times, and i've only played in 5 or so games here, was just wondering what the "accepted" best deadline time is, or anything near to it.

[Neon_Chaos]

*yawn*

[ntndeacon]

Vote Anxiety

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Ooh, ooh - quote it please!

Good thing this isn't Sonic Youth. It might take five pages of back and forth to even get a hint as to which post it was.

[Narcizo]

Originally Posted by ntndeacon

Vote Anxiety

Deacon if I'm interpreting what Cronin is saying correctly then you need to move phase one. Just to re-iterate.

[Neon_Chaos]

Oooh. Phase one.

[Narcizo]

Anyroad. Things didn't quite go as the wolves might have hoped last night but they certainly weren't good for white or black either. Losing two pawns isn't optimal for us, I have to say.

Qwik, no reason you should want to talk to me but you say that cronin isn't a wolf. Does this mean you think he isn't a wolf or that you know he isn't a wolf. Given my suspicions yesterday I'm interested in that. Also, when did Anxiety out himself to you?

Vote Anxiety

Two birds. One stone. Result.

Needless to say any white piece (and we all know who they are now) not voting Anxiety may as well get their "Look at me! I'm a wolf!" T-shirts printed now.

[Qwikshot]

Checking over a few things...now that I'm read up and perhaps not so stupid today...

I still don't regret my actions, because I figured I would be killed taking the queen and didn't want to die without at least getting one reveal out of the way for the benefit of the entire villager group.

I don't see how moving to C6 helps because from what I gather the white bishop is at E3 and I'm at D4 with a bunch of white pawns behind me. Of course I could move back and take the pawn at B5 or F5, or I could keep pressing forward. I think Jackal's last spot was F3, of course he could have moved further towards the black army, but he could be standing still and scanning still...if that is the case, he's just as likely to jump for me as I would for him, but then again I /can't/ see the pawns that were in G2 and H2, nor do I know where A2's pawn is. And of course, the biggie is the rooks and king.

Where I am at, I can scan a bunch of white pieces, and I assume, that white is where the remainder of wolves hide. So do you allow me a few turns to lie still and scan? Or do you, for defense purposes since I'm about 2 moves from putting the king in check (assuming he hasn't moved).

I figure with so many white pawns northward that a rook has me lined up at D1. I can't see the other white bishop at this time.

[Qwikshot]

Originally Posted by Narcizo

Anyroad. Things didn't quite go as the wolves might have hoped last night but they certainly weren't good for white or black either. Losing two pawns isn't optimal for us, I have to say.

Qwik, no reason you should want to talk to me but you say that cronin isn't a wolf. Does this mean you think he isn't a wolf or that you know he isn't a wolf. Given my suspicions yesterday I'm interested in that. Also, when did Anxiety out himself to you?

Vote Anxiety

Two birds. One stone. Result.

Needless to say any white piece (and we all know who they are now) not voting Anxiety may as well get their "Look at me! I'm a wolf!" T-shirts printed now.

My night scan says I learned that Cronin is not a wolf. I think that's pretty clean cut.

[Qwikshot]

Anxiety never outed himself, I scanned him on Night Two because we were setting up moves and he was in close proximity to me...I was going to move up the side when I had a moment of clarity and said to myself, perhaps I should scan my partner since I know he's in range and I don't know who everyone else is...

[st.cronin]

Qwik, you obviously can see some spaces I can't see. I am just saying that I see danger where you are and in several spots you can move.

[Sonic Youth]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

Black, vote Anxiety off. As a measure of trust, here's my board:

Does that mean that white will return the favour next turn?

[mccollins]

Here's the thing about moving / capturing - if you move on turn 1 and the person attempts to capture you on turn 1, from what I understand from Pass, you won't be captured.

[mccollins]

Originally Posted by Sonic Youth

Does that mean that white will return the favour next turn?

The theory is that we will have identified 2 black wolves and will turn to find the (we're guessing) 2 white wolves.

[st.cronin]

Yeah, once Anxiety is voted off, there's no reason to vote for a black player. I certainly won't be.

[PurdueBrad]

Originally Posted by Sonic Youth

Does that mean that white will return the favour next turn?

Assuming Anxiety is a wolf, yeah, that's exactly what this means.

[jeheinz72]

I can't see why we'd try black again if Anx is a wolf.

[Sonic Youth]

I guess night actions and stuff like that will show which way things go next time.

Vote Anxiety.

[Qwikshot]

Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

Assuming Anxiety is a wolf, yeah, that's exactly what this means.

I was waiting for someone to start casting doubt...I want to keep a check on those that (pun not intended).

[oliegirl]

VOTE ANXIETY

Getting my vote in early, I'm working today but my son is home sick with an ear infection and bad allergy attack, so I'm not sure how the day will go. I should be around though and will keep up with what is going on

[st.cronin]

I believe that Anxiety is a wolf, but it wouldn't be completely shocking if he turned up white.

[PurdueBrad]

Originally Posted by Qwikshot

I was waiting for someone to start casting doubt...I want to keep a check on those that (pun not intended).

Qwik, my only doubt here is that I'm blindly following someone else's claim. He's a wolf, I'm incredibly happy, sorry if my doubt came off as anything else.

[Qwikshot]

Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

Qwik, my only doubt here is that I'm blindly following someone else's claim. He's a wolf, I'm incredibly happy, sorry if my doubt came off as anything else.

But he admitted it...

[Qwikshot]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

I believe that Anxiety is a wolf, but it wouldn't be completely shocking if he turned up white.

Huh...I'm the black knight, I talk to Anxiety because he was my partnet as a knight, I found out he was a wolf.

[Qwikshot]

Originally Posted by Anxiety

I protected Lathum because I scanned him last night and he came back clean. Not because he's a wolf.

And yes, i am the last black wolf, no question about that. More after deadline.

See above quote...

[Qwikshot]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

I believe that Anxiety is a wolf, but it wouldn't be completely shocking if he turned up white.

Yes it would.

[PurdueBrad]

Originally Posted by Qwikshot

But he admitted it...

Went back and found that, I've apparently missed an entire page of the thread (like Anxiety's happy dance at telling us exactly what he was going to do and then doing it). So yeah, can I vote for him extra times?

[st.cronin]

Qwik, I'm just imagining a scenario where you and the wolves conspire to hand over a white wolf, knowing that white has a big block of votes. I agree its unlikely, and I'm not sure how it would work. Also it's not going to change my vote.

[Qwikshot]

So I guess the biggest question is, do you let me, the black knight live?

Since there is some doubt as to whether Jackal is truthful or not, but there is no doubt that I am, unless you think I sold Anxiety up the river...

But this is where my stupidity is a benefit...had it gotten to a situation where I was in danger (through vote), or Anxiety and I got to a point where something had to be revealed...there wouldn't have been a few turns of wondering who is who...

So the question remains, am I important enough to keep for both black and white, or does white kill me off and take a gamble with jackal?

If the remainder of the wolves are white, then make no doubt, white is going to be hurting soon.

Now I've gone and done all of this, I promise, that I would not attack any white pieces, I'll stay in place and scan, or move to mutually agreed locations, but I think that white pieces should stop moving as well.

Once the wolves are rooted out, let me get back to starting point or at least the neutral zone and we have our nice dustoff?

[st.cronin]

Qwik, I am ok with that plan.

[mccollins]

Qwik, at this point, as a knight/seer, I think you are one of our best assets to both black and white for finding the remaining wolves.

[Qwikshot]

Cronin I assume you are in a kill spot. My question is whether your associates feel the same way?

I assume your king would have to order that stuff.

Of course, I know the black king isn't so receptive, but perhaps if we find out that a bishop or rook is of the same wolfish persuasion that it might change his tune...of course, if a white pawn is the one, then it also benefits black...

Black has weathered the storm that white has now to face...the big question is whether white wants to or not...

[Qwikshot]

Of course, the other big thing is names...I've cleared Cronin, we know that NTN and Neon are the kings...Jackal is a question mark but out of my sightline. So whom do I read, I've got white pawns to my north.

[st.cronin]

Qwik I believe white villagers will leave you be. White wolves may move to take you out, if they think they can get away with it.

[Qwikshot]

I will make this vow right now...I'm not moving this evening.

It's a big risk, but if I am killed through moves, I think you'll have found another wolf.

[PurdueBrad]

Qwik, I have pawns in front of you and will put in an action now not to attack.

[st.cronin]

Narcizo, heinz, or Purduebrad. Those are white players unvouched for. There's obviously one more - there's 2 rooks, 2 pawns. I can't think who I'm missing.