Werewolf XXXIII: Animal Farm (SEE POST #4 FOR ALL UPDATES)

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Excluding AE and Conflag, here are people that I think have largely escaped critical review:

GoldenEagle - beyond the missed vote
DodgerChick - have cited the "throwaway votes"
Grammaticus - almost no discussion
RealDeal - has been accused of kind of a secondary linkage to me and Alan earlier today

Am I missing anyone who hasn't been put under the microscope in that list?

Except for one minor vote from you, pass has been relatively invisible as far as recieving scrutiny

I think despite early yesterday and his votes today, no one has really analyzed greyroofoo as well

[hoopsguy]

Blade, I think I put some thoughts out on Greyroofoo a little earlier this afternoon. I'll try and pull the post, although I know it will not sound in tune with my last idea about keeping him around for one more day.

[hoopsguy]

Post #1172, by me on Greyroofoo suspicion yesterday (answering question by Dodgerchick)

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Sure, Grey attracted some votes from a theory that Blade provided based on the lynch selections on Night 1 and 2 here dovetailing closely with selections from Cronin's WW game recently.

The problem with that was, as Grey pointed out, that he was Dracula in that game and didn't choose to lynch either of those guys.

Anyways, I was concerned that this idea seemed to pick up momentum pretty quickly at the time - Grey had three votes and a few people had one when I cast my fateful vote for Bek with an hour to deadline.

My bigger concern with him was a pretty late vote change during Day 2, when he swung his vote from Bulletsponge to GoldenEagle (pretty sure I have the correct parties here) without an explanation. If the theory on the 7 Rules is correct, then Bullet was a bad guy. Which makes this vote look worse in hindsight.

But, if Bullet was Pilkington then none of the bad guys would have known his role - so I'm not sure if we should take any value from this or not. A couple of people have floated scenarios that still have us lynching a bad guy on Night 2 and Pilkington still being alive (failed his 90% attack, attacked same person as wolf, etc) that could make this vote more meaningful.

Path, can you tell us if Pilkington would still retain his 90% kill if the wolves took down his target before he got there?

[hoopsguy]

If people feel strongly about Passacaglia over BrianD I would ask you to speak up now.

[Swaggs]

Alright... I said earlier I was looking at hoops and Brian, with DC as a darkhorse.

I am going to go ahead and

Vote BrianD

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Post #1172, by me on Greyroofoo suspicion yesterday (answering question by Dodgerchick)

Two things...the correct parties was he swapped off myself onto GE, and secondly the post felt more like a debunking of criticism then your own alalyzation. But ill take it

Do you have one of those for pass too? I dont think he has been looked at since early day 2 by anyone

[hoopsguy]

Updated vote count as of Post #1254:
Greyroofoo 3 -- BrianD (1195), Dodgerchick (1209), AlanT (1234)
Hoopsguy 2 -- Chubby (894), Blade (998)
Dodgerchick 1 -- RealDeal (915)
Blade 1 -- Passacaglia (1056)
Ardent 1 -- Grammaticus (1142)
Alan T 1 -- Grey (1213)
BrianD 1 -- Hoops (1250)
Not voting: Ardent, Conflaguration, GoldenEagle, Swaggs

[GoldenEagle]

I have no read at all on Passacaglia. He is flying under the radar? Is there anytype of evidence on him?

I think if Grey was playing a wolf role, he would more active. That is just a guess. I think he is villager.

[hoopsguy]

Blade, I do not. My bad vibe about Passacaglia early was based on his pushing against Anxiety. As I had stated earlier, I thought there was a decent likelihood that Anxiety was the seer.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by GoldenEagle

I think if Grey was playing a wolf role, he would more active. That is just a guess. I think he is villager.

I have to totally disagree with this. Two games ago, as dracula, he played an even quieter game. Thats one comment i have to come out against

[Alan T]

Unvote Greyfooroo
vote BrianD

People trying to get folks to lynch me may see this as a last minute piling on, but obviously I have had votes on him for 2 days. I would rather vote him than greyfooroo, and this still keeps hoops alive.

[BrianD]

One thing that will be interesting to watch will be everybody scrambling to cover themselves when it is revealed that I was good.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Blade, I do not. My bad vibe about Passacaglia early was based on his pushing against Anxiety. As I had stated earlier, I thought there was a decent likelihood that Anxiety was the seer.

In that same post you mentioned alan...did you suspect him them, and not now? Why did you mention him then basically

[hoopsguy]

About ten minutes to go, votes as of Post #1259:

Greyroofoo 3 -- BrianD (1195), Dodgerchick (1209), AlanT (1234)
Hoopsguy 2 -- Chubby (894), Blade (998)
BrianD 2 -- Hoops (1250), Swaggs (1255)
Dodgerchick 1 -- RealDeal (915)
Blade 1 -- Passacaglia (1056)
Ardent 1 -- Grammaticus (1142)
Alan T 1 -- Grey (1213)

Not voting: Ardent, Conflaguration, GoldenEagle

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by BrianD

One thing that will be interesting to watch will be everybody scrambling to cover themselves when it is revealed that I was good.

It wont be if you die...if im right, bek was your one shot at being cleared...good or bad, the lynchers get away with everything from now on

[Greyroofoo]

unvote alanT
vote BrianD

i have no real suspicions of Brian D, but if it keeps me alive...

[GoldenEagle]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

I have to totally disagree with this. Two games ago, as dracula, he played an even quieter game. Thats one comment i have to come out against

But he did not vote for anyone that was dead.

[path12]

Fouts has agreed to join the game. Would anyone mind a half hour extension of the deadline to give him a chance to catch up a bit and get a vote in?

Fouts, I'm glad to have you. Role and rules coming in a second.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by GoldenEagle

But he did not vote for anyone that was dead.

And?

[hoopsguy]

Blade, I voted for Pass that day because of concerns over Anxiety (who I also guarded on Night 1 and wish I had returned to last night). Alan was the other person I was considering at the time.

[hoopsguy]

Path, I'm OK with that but I'm going to need to step away at deadline to take care of matters at home.

[Greyroofoo]

Originally Posted by GoldenEagle

But he did not vote for anyone that was dead.

how does that prove that I was bad?

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by path12

Fouts has agreed to join the game. Would anyone mind a half hour extension of the deadline to give him a chance to catch up a bit and get a vote in?

Fouts, I'm glad to have you. Role and rules coming in a second.

To be honest after the saldana game, I think its a bad idea to change deadlines around. But I am easy either way. I personally think if whoever he is replacing is not endanger, then he just catch up tonight.

But like I said, I'm pretty easy so don't care too much.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Blade, I voted for Pass that day because of concerns over Anxiety (who I also guarded on Night 1 and wish I had returned to last night). Alan was the other person I was considering at the time.

Why did you consider him. Im not asking about path, just alan and that one post. That one post was one of the key reasons you are in the same level of distrust as alan in my eyes.

[GoldenEagle]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

And?

He may have been playing a quiet game but he sure as hell was paying attention. This game it is obvious that he is not.

Grey, can you explain why you voted for Anxiety?

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by GoldenEagle

He may have been playing a quiet game but he sure as hell was paying attention. This game it is obvious that he is not.

Grey, can you explain why you voted for Anxiety?

Grey doesnt pay attention to the night kills...that more then likely says hes not worried about them more then anything else...thats a damning fact, not a clearing one

[hoopsguy]

Blade, I think I talked about Alan in general terms in our Q&A session earlier. Same stuff applied then. He plays a pretty accomodating bad guy and I've been bred to distrust him based on repeated games of being on the opposite team as him. I was coming to you as a sanity check, to see if you were getting similar vibes to me at the time.

Plus, as an ulterior motive, I was pinging you to see what kind of response you would give to get a better feel for you.

[Greyroofoo]

it would be kind of funny if i had helped plan a night kill and THEN forgot about it the day after.

[hoopsguy]

Think this is the current vote count (as of Post #1277):

BrianD 4 -- Hoops (1250), Swaggs (1255), AlanT (1261), Grey (1266)
Greyroofoo 2 -- BrianD (1195), Dodgerchick (1209)
Hoopsguy 2 -- Chubby (894), Blade (998)
Dodgerchick 1 -- RealDeal (915)
Blade 1 -- Passacaglia (1056)
Ardent 1 -- Grammaticus (1142)

Not voting: Ardent, Conflaguration, GoldenEagle

[Fouts]

I've read most of the thread. Are these the only role reveal claims?

Swaggs - Benjamin
Hoops - Boxer

BTW, I'm not sure who I'm replacing, but I'm just a Barnyard Animal.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Greyroofoo

it would be kind of funny if i had helped plan a night kill and THEN forgot about it the day after.

We addresed this...if your bad i think your the evil seer or pilkington

[path12]

OK, he is replacing Ardent Enthusiast. I don't believe Ardent is in danger right now, but I've not had a chance to catch up with the thread for a couple hours. I'll leave the deadline as is for now and he can put in his vote tomorrow rather than have him have to rush and anyone who is on the line not be able to switch around.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Fouts

I've read most of the thread. Are these the only role reveal claims?

Swaggs - Benjamin
Hoops - Boxer

BTW, I'm not sure who I'm replacing, but I'm just a Barnyard Animal.

And im claiming that i believe bek was clover, and hoops has implied repeatedly that bullet was pilkington

[hoopsguy]

Fouts, that is correct. No roles revealed on death. Swaggs demonstrated his role when up for lynch on Night 1. I "reveal/claimed" earlier this afternoon.

[saldana]

path, perhaps a better option would be to freeze the votes as they are, but still allow fouts a vote by 9:30

the extension thing cant end well....i can attest to that personally.

[Fouts]

I don't think it matters but..

vote Grey

[Blade6119]

UNVOTE HOOPS

VOTE ALANT

Statement vote

[GoldenEagle]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

Grey doesnt pay attention to the night kills...that more then likely says hes not worried about them more then anything else...thats a damning fact, not a clearing one

How is that a damning fact? Don't you think he would know who he killed?

[BrianD]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

UNVOTE HOOPS

VOTE ALANT

Statement vote

Gee, thanks.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by Fouts

I've read most of the thread. Are these the only role reveal claims?

Swaggs - Benjamin
Hoops - Boxer

BTW, I'm not sure who I'm replacing, but I'm just a Barnyard Animal.

lol when I first read this, I thought you were saying you are just a barnyard animal without getting a PM yet which is kinda funny since I guess its what anyone would claim. I obviously figured it just meant you had the PM that ardent received, but didnt know who's it was

Still gave me a chuckle

[RealDeal]

I'm going to leave my vote where it is this time. I don't feel strongly about either of the top candidates.

[Fouts]

Reasoning - I don't think Brian is bad, and didn't want to pile on. Also, I wanted to see what GE would do with the chance to tie it up.

[hoopsguy]

Blade, let me be precise on Pilkington.

Based on my interpretation of events surrounding the lynch decisions, I believe that Bullet was bad. Based on my interpretations of the night kills, and the lack of a double kill, I believe that Pilkington is out of the game. The logical extension of this for me is Bullet = Pilkington.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by BrianD

Gee, thanks.

I dont think your bad, i trust you more then hoops right now. But unlike last game when they killed me, i dont think i can take a chance and kill someone claiming to be the bodyguard without being pretty sure. Hoops created enough doubt for me to want to continue our little argument another day, hopefully with the company of 2 players i didnt see enough of today.

[path12]

OK, deadline. Sorry for any confusion there. I just want to double check the tally and results will be forthcoming.

[GoldenEagle]

The deadline did get moved back right?

[hoopsguy]

OK, back in a few.

[Fouts]

Originally Posted by Alan T

lol when I first read this, I thought you were saying you are just a barnyard animal without getting a PM yet which is kinda funny since I guess its what anyone would claim. I obviously figured it just meant you had the PM that ardent received, but didnt know who's it was

Still gave me a chuckle

Yeah I received the message, but he didn't say which of the two I had replaced. I was actually hoping for a more exciting role.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Blade, let me be precise on Pilkington.

Based on my interpretation of events surrounding the lynch decisions, I believe that Bullet was bad. Based on my interpretations of the night kills, and the lack of a double kill, I believe that Pilkington is out of the game. The logical extension of this for me is Bullet = Pilkington.

Im aware of your train of thought...i dont agree at all, but i know what you claim to think.

[GoldenEagle]

Wait....can I vote?

VOTE BRIAND