WW XCIX: Seville High, Book Two: The Janitor Lives!!! Game Over - Blakekin Win!!!!

[lerriuqs]

Originally Posted by claphamsa

may as well vote nightfall....

Hey if you have some reason why we shouldn't vote for you...I'm all ears.

[claphamsa]

cuz im not a wolf... cant give a reason other than that! I also think with the nightfall game is over. but thats just my math... and Ive been off all game so who knows.

[hoopsguy]

Originally Posted by claphamsa

cuz im not a wolf... cant give a reason other than that! I also think with the nightfall game is over. but thats just my math... and Ive been off all game so who knows.

7 players left, we've gotten 2 wolves already.

Assuming a bad lynch + a night kill, we would be at 5 players left tomorrow.

For the wolves to win, they would have to have 5 starting wolves in an 18 player game. That seems like a very, very high ratio. I can't see it, even with one of the wolves not knowing he was a wolf.

My best guess is that we have two bad lynches left in us. The bodyguard role, and potentially the Diseased, are pivotal roles down the stretch that could potentially give us even more time if things break correctly.

[hoopsguy]

1. claphamsa - Nadia Bloomington
2. Danny - Dale Erskind - Lynched Chapter 1, Blakekin - Unknown
3. EagleFan - Claude Clawson - Lynched Chapter 5, High Schooler - Sleuth
4. lerriuqs - Raymond Drestin
5. hoopsguy - Bret O’Connell
6. TheNorm - Caitlyn O’Conner - Lynched Chapter 9, High Schooler
7. Passacaglia - Sasha Patel - Lynched Chapter 3, High Schooler - Jr. Sleuth
8. JAG - Stacy Hambrick - Lynched Chapter 7, High Schooler - Martyr
9. MartinD - Amit Patel
10. PurdueBrad - Walter Czerski
11. path - Spike Nelson - Blake Killed Chapter 4, High Schooler - Mischief Maker
12. ntndeacon - Hannah Gironi - - Blake Killed Chapter 10, High Schooler - Drug Abuser
13. The Jackal - Dave Bradford - Lynched Chapter 11, Blakekin
14. JetsIn06 - Shane Goodkind - Blake Killed Chapter 12, High Schooler
15. Lathum - Vera Cafincelli - Blake Killed Chapter 6, High Schooler
16. nfg22 - Roger Sanchez
17. Schmidty - Sarah Dickerson
18. henry - Katrina Snyder - Blake Killed, Chapt 2, High Schooler, Rabble Rouser

Lynches:
Chapter 1: Danny
Chapter 3: Passacaglia
Chapter 5: EagleFan
Chapter 7: JAG
Chapter 9: TheNorm
Chapter 11: The Jackal

Kills:
Chapter 2: henry
Chapter 4: path12
Chapter 6: Lathum
Chapter 8: NONE
Chapter 10: ntndeacon
Chapter 12: JetsIn06

[hoopsguy]

Assuming that we have our bodyguard alive after this lynch, I would like to float an idea out there that I hope is a net positive down the stretch.

Just going to take a few minutes to chew on it, make sure that I'm thinking things through all the way before posting any more on it.

[MartinD]

My current trust list (most to least - gaps are deliberate, and indicate different levels of trust):

PurdueBrad


hoopsguy

lerriuqs
Schmidty



claphamsa
nfg22


While I've had suspicions about the bottom two over the last couple of days, it really comes down to a process of elimination - PB is 100% trusted, hoops gets a high level of trust from his play over the last couple of days while lerriuqs and Schmidty are on the 'trust' side of the scale (I don't think that Schmidty votes for The Jackal yesterday if he's a wolf, and I'm seeing 'villager who wants to win' from lerriuqs). If any of hoops, lerriuqs or Schmidty are a wolf, they've completely fooled me.

I'm happy to go with either claphamsa or nfg22 at this point - whatever the consensus is.

[claphamsa]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

7 players left, we've gotten 2 wolves already.

Assuming a bad lynch + a night kill, we would be at 5 players left tomorrow.

For the wolves to win, they would have to have 5 starting wolves in an 18 player game. That seems like a very, very high ratio. I can't see it, even with one of the wolves not knowing he was a wolf.

My best guess is that we have two bad lynches left in us. The bodyguard role, and potentially the Diseased, are pivotal roles down the stretch that could potentially give us even more time if things break correctly.

well one wolf didnt knw he was a wolf, and we had a backup seer... thats a whole lot of power to the village (didnt help, but still)

[claphamsa]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Assuming that we have our bodyguard alive after this lynch, I would like to float an idea out there that I hope is a net positive down the stretch.

Just going to take a few minutes to chew on it, make sure that I'm thinking things through all the way before posting any more on it.

i am not the body guard.... dunno about the night, but the lynch wont hurt you

[PurdueBrad]

I'll put up the other candidate for now

vote nfg

[claphamsa]

vote nfg!

[claphamsa]

lulz

[nfg22]

Obviously since I am on the block...I will go with Claph. Im not sure he is a wolf as I still think schmidty and Lerriuqs could be bad but I have no other choice to save myself, who I know is good.

[MartinD]

In my mind, there isn't much to choose between nfg22 and claphamsa, but I really didn't like clap's late vote switch in yesterday's lynch vote.

VOTE CLAPHAMSA

[nfg22]

My trust list...since hoops loves those..

PB-cleared by the seer.
Hoops-After much scrutiny has proved to get our first wolf in a long time and has added much analysis, maybe too much.
Martin D- gave a hardline vote against Jackal yesterday when he could have went the other way and changed the game.
Lerriuqs- I dont have much of a read but at least he hasnt struck me wrong.
Schmidty- He has struck me bad since the vote to lynch the seer. Not that he would even know it was the seer. I dont know if that vote still matters but it still sticks in my mind.
Clap- for the obvious splitting from Jackal reasons.

The last 3 could be switched alot. I think that is where our remaining two wolves lie.

[nfg22]

VOTE CLAPHASMA

[claphamsa]

go me go!

[hoopsguy]

Originally Posted by nfg22

My trust list...since hoops loves those..

PB-cleared by the seer.
Hoops-After much scrutiny has proved to get our first wolf in a long time and has added much analysis, maybe too much.
Martin D- gave a hardline vote against Jackal yesterday when he could have went the other way and changed the game.
Lerriuqs- I dont have much of a read but at least he hasnt struck me wrong.
Schmidty- He has struck me bad since the vote to lynch the seer. Not that he would even know it was the seer. I dont know if that vote still matters but it still sticks in my mind.
Clap- for the obvious splitting from Jackal reasons.

The last 3 could be switched alot. I think that is where our remaining two wolves lie.

I do love them.
- if you are a villager and get lynched, I want to know what your impressions were because they can be taken as gospel
- if you are a wolf and get killed, I want to see how you ranked people as that will factor into my later decisions

So trust lists are win/win, in my mind. Not that important when we still have a ton of players around on D1/D2, but when you are into the second week I think they are a critical point of data for people to evaluate.

[nfg22]

hoops, I am sorry I cannot add my sarastic tone to everything I write so you would know it is a just a little shot...

[nfg22]

But my trust list was good...

[nfg22]

BTW with Claph resigned to his fate like this im voting nightfall. That way I can be around for at leats one deadline:P

VOTE NIGHTFALL

[hoopsguy]

Originally Posted by nfg22

hoops, I am sorry I cannot add my sarastic tone to everything I write so you would know it is a just a little shot...

No offense taken. I find that the emoticons work well for taking shots at me.

Particularly this one, when I get too verbose

[claphamsa]

[hoopsguy]

Possible Blakekin Roles:

Angry Blakekin – When the Angry Blakekin is killed by any means, they may kill any person in the game they choose, and that kill is unblockable and unaffected by other roles (such as Diseased).

Lone Blakekin – You are one of the Blakekin, but the fierce independent streak of your host has driven you from your flock. At the beginning of the game, the Blakekin know who you are, and you know who they are, but you have a separate set of abilities that only you can use during even chapters. You may not pm with each other.

Slut – You are possessed of Blakekin. During the even numbered chapters, choose a person. That person cannot perform any action during that chapter, because they are with you. They will know if they have been enslutted, but not who Slutted them.

Unknown – You have been possessed by the Blakekin but do not realize it. You believe you are a vanilla villager, but instead, you are actually a Blakekin. You scan as Blakekin, win as Blakekin, and the Blakekin know who you are.

13. The Jackal - Dave Bradford - Lynched Chapter 11, Blakekin

Abe, can we assume that The Jackal was not one of the roles above but instead a "vanilla Blakekin", if such as thing exists?

[EagleFan]

[nfg22]

By the way does anyone know what the hidden info you were given does?

[hoopsguy]

Negative - mine is not the most flattering piece of info for a HS dude.

[nfg22]

Im adopted...

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Abe, can we assume that The Jackal was not one of the roles above but instead a "vanilla Blakekin", if such as thing exists?

If someone has a role, I tell you

[Schmidty]

Originally Posted by nfg22

My trust list...since hoops loves those..

PB-cleared by the seer.
Hoops-After much scrutiny has proved to get our first wolf in a long time and has added much analysis, maybe too much.
Martin D- gave a hardline vote against Jackal yesterday when he could have went the other way and changed the game.
Lerriuqs- I dont have much of a read but at least he hasnt struck me wrong.
Schmidty- He has struck me bad since the vote to lynch the seer. Not that he would even know it was the seer. I dont know if that vote still matters but it still sticks in my mind.
Clap- for the obvious splitting from Jackal reasons.

The last 3 could be switched alot. I think that is where our remaining two wolves lie.

You've got to be kidding me. I was one of 2 people that essencially sealed the Jackal's fate yesterday. I've admitted I screwed up the EF vote, but there's not much else I've done that could be construed as bad, and even the EF mistake would have been a dumb move for the wolves. Since it's between clap and you, I'm going with the guy that doesn't sound completely resigned to dying:

VOTE NFG22

[nfg22]

Schmidty you may be a villager but I think at least one wolf and maybe two threw down on Jackal yesterday. The fact is it was 3/6...They could try and lynch hoops but then it would have been obvious who switched without good reason. so one or two sealed jackals fate and gain trust in a game where they only need two more bad lynches. You may or may not be one of them but I think one was in there.

[hoopsguy]

Well, lets look at the Hoops voters from yesterday

Jackal = wolf
Jets = villager
NFG = ???
Clap (later switch) = ???

We'll find about about a 3rd Hoops voter at deadline, barring a strange turn of events. But I'm certainly not convinced that you + Clap are both wolves. I'm guessing that one of you is and that a last wolf voted for Jackal a little later in the day when it was clear there would be a two man race.

[nfg22]

I definetly know there was not two wolves on you. Im good!

[nfg22]

Is the count even at 3/3?

[MartinD]

Originally Posted by nfg22

Schmidty- He has struck me bad since the vote to lynch the seer. Not that he would even know it was the seer. I dont know if that vote still matters but it still sticks in my mind.

This seems very harsh on the guy who basically had the lynch in his hands yesterday, and made the call that lynched a wolf.

(Yes, I realise that there's a possibility that this could have been a wolf making a big play to win trust, but that seems to be a bit of a reach to me... (Disclaimer: I'm still learning the ins and outs of the game, so I could easily be missing something obvious here.))

[lerriuqs]

Originally Posted by nfg22

Is the count even at 3/3?

It should be 4-3 clap with everyone having voted.

[PurdueBrad]

Well then, lets take this out of anyone else's hands. Hoops, will you be on around deadline?

unvote nfg
vote Claphamsa

[MartinD]

Vote count (up to 1236):

claphamsa: 5 - hoopsguy (1197), lerriuqs (1198), MartinD (1213), nfg22 (1215), PurdueBrad (1236)
nfg22: 2 - claphamsa (1210), Schmidty (1222)

All players have voted.

Nightfall: hoopsguy (1200), nfg22 (1220)

(PB - Almost managed to sneak that one by me )

[MartinD]

I'll be around for the next hour or so, but won't be checking the thread all that often - have a job application form to fill in online...

[hoopsguy]

Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

Well then, lets take this out of anyone else's hands. Hoops, will you be on around deadline?

unvote nfg
vote Claphamsa

Yep, should be around for it.

[Poli]

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[hoopsguy]

Sure is quiet.

I'm at a client site this evening. There is an outside chance that I will finish up before the deadline and be heading home when the time comes. I'll post in thread if that does come to pass.

[PurdueBrad]

I'm around as well and, even if not in thread, I'll be dropping in and out.

[PurdueBrad]

Hoops, can you lay out, briefly, what makes Claphamsa a better vote over nfg? For some reason, nfg's vote on Danny has been a bee in my bonnet. First vote on a wolf that doesn't know he's a wolf seems like a nice play to get wolf cover. I think, otherwise, he's vote "right" which may also be odd.

I'm going back and comparing normal odd Clap play to odd Clap play here and I don't know if I'll see a difference.

[Schmidty]

It just makes me feel weird that clap just seems to be resigned to being lynched. I just think a wolf would put up some kind of defense even if it's righteous indignation ala Jackal (sort of), instead of giving up.

[hoopsguy]

PB, I don't see a ton different about Clap this game versus others - I find him to be a pretty consistent player, regardless of side. But I think the wolves probably had more to gain by trying to keep a wolf alive on Day 1 than to bury a wolf on Day 1 (all other things being equal).

NFG's vote on Danny came at a point in the day where there were votes already on several players, but no player had taken a commanding lead. Is there a good reason, as a wolf, to do that even to a wolf who doesn't know he is a wolf? Maybe it earns some trust, but I put more credence into that argument for guys who usually are in the mix for votes like EF and Lathum than I did for NFG who could probably lay low for a few days without arousing too much suspicion.

NFG also pointed out at one point that it was worth taking a look at the Danny voters for wolves. Would he have done that, as a wolf, knowing he was in that block of voters?

Anyway, I do not think that today is a slam dunk but I do think that Clap is the better of the two for the vote.

I'll be surprised if they are both wolves - something that I was not saying yesterday when I stated multiple times that I thought it was reasonably likely that both Jackal and Clap were wolves.

But, if we do have a bad lynch here today then I hope that whoever is the bodyguard is around to read the thread and consider a course of action that I'm going to suggest.

[hoopsguy]

Originally Posted by Schmidty

It just makes me feel weird that clap just seems to be resigned to being lynched. I just think a wolf would put up some kind of defense even if it's righteous indignation ala Jackal (sort of), instead of giving up.

The run-off between these guys has been weird. Neither one of them has seemed inclined to offer much in the way of reasons that they should not be lynched. Neither has given any role information. Neither has brought up arguments why the other one is more compelling, made arguments about their their own value to the group.

Just ... weird.

[The Jackal]

Righteous indignation? Sexy.

[PurdueBrad]

I'm mildly surprised about how many vanilla players we've had, I really expected that by now we would've met the jester or diseased or someone else. Nobody seems to have any role!

[hoopsguy]

I've been saying for days that I've got a role.

[hoopsguy]

But, otherwise I agree with your comment (PB).