2012 NFL Offseason thread - Page 25

bhlloy · 03-23-2012, 03:21 PM

What he didn't mention is that they are Boy Scouts, and Mike Brown is paying them in expired candy bars

korme · 03-23-2012, 03:21 PM

Uncalled for bholloy!

korme · 03-23-2012, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Butter_of_69

Thank God somebody signed him so we don't have to suffer another season of multiple dropped touchdowns.

People on ProFootballTalk were saying Andre has great hands.... were they watching the same games we were?

Chief Rum · 03-23-2012, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by BillJasper

Fuck me! Are the end times upon us?

They only call the second guy a scout to make it look good on the team expense reports. He's actually the in house probation and parole officer.

Grover · 03-23-2012, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by bhlloy

What he didn't mention is that they are Boy Scouts, and Mike Brown is paying them in expired candy bars

@GeoffHobsonCin
Geoff Hobson
New #Bengals scouts are Robert Livingston, assistant coach at Vandy last year, and Steven Radicevic, ex director of football ops at UCLA

Grover · 03-23-2012, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Rum

They only call the second guy a scout to make it look good on the team expense reports. He's actually the in house probation and parole officer.

Actually, that's what Green-Ellis was signed for. In-house legal defense.

Chief Rum · 03-23-2012, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Grover

Actually, that's what Green-Ellis was signed for. In-house legal defense.

They go hand in hand. The Law Firm works with the players in court, while the new "scout" handles them after prison.

Honolulu_Blue · 03-23-2012, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Ksyrup

No, I understand it from his perspective. I just find it funny that he's asking out as if he's someone of importance or value.

I mean, I'm sure the guy who's slated to be 4th on the Packers' depth chart at OT would love an opportunity to go elsewhere if it meant the possibility of more playing time. But I don't see any of those guys demanding a trade/release when the Packers sign an OL guy to compete with him for playing time.

Poor Drew Stanton. He gets no respect from Ksyrup.

Luckily, he gets some from the Colts! The Jets traded him to the Colts for some low round pick, so now Stanton is the #2 guy behind Luck. Good luck, Drew!

First Orlovsky and now Stanton, Indianapolis is a haven for former Detroit Lions 3rd string QBs.

bhlloy · 03-23-2012, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Grover

@GeoffHobsonCin
Geoff Hobson
New #Bengals scouts are Robert Livingston, assistant coach at Vandy last year, and Steven Radicevic, ex director of football ops at UCLA

Two immensely successful football programs there then. How can this possibly fail!

Grover · 03-23-2012, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by bhlloy

Two immensely successful football programs there then. How can this possibly fail!

Small steps forward are still steps forward.

Chief Rum · 03-23-2012, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by bhlloy

Two immensely successful football programs there then. How can this possibly fail!

Hey!

(oh, shit, he's right...)

tucker rocky · 03-24-2012, 01:03 PM

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...-injured-neck/

Grover · 03-24-2012, 01:20 PM

Bengals have re-signed DT Pat Sims.

The off-season has shaped very nicely. There are still needs at guard, potentially MLB, safety and #2 WR.

I'm still hoping for my dream first round of Kuelchy and DeCastro at 17 and 21.

M GO BLUE!!! · 03-24-2012, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by tucker rocky

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...-injured-neck/

I think that there may be a possibility with the contract issues that the trade fails & Tebow returns to Denver after three days.

Shkspr · 03-24-2012, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by M GO BLUE!!!

I think that there may be a possibility with the contract issues that the trade fails & Tebow returns to Denver after three days.

Which is a shame, because that thirty pieces of silver Denver got in the deal is already earmarked to beef up the secondary.

Passacaglia · 03-24-2012, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by tucker rocky

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...-injured-neck/

So he's a Paladin?

stevew · 03-24-2012, 04:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grover

Bengals have re-signed DT Pat Sims.

The off-season has shaped very nicely. There are still needs at guard, potentially MLB, safety and #2 WR.

I'm still hoping for my dream first round of Kuelchy and DeCastro at 17 and 21.

Definitely has the makings of the best 3rd place team in the NFL.

Suburban Rhythm · 03-25-2012, 04:20 PM

Keeping a streak intact of however many offseasons in a row that a Steeler heads to Arizona, aka Pittsburgh West

Ex-Steelers CB Gay heads to Arizona - Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Matthean · 03-25-2012, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Suburban Rhythm

Keeping a streak intact of however many offseasons in a row that a Steeler heads to Arizona, aka Pittsburgh West

Ex-Steelers CB Gay heads to Arizona - Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Steelers keep going to the playoffs. Arizona, not so much.

Suburban Rhythm · 03-25-2012, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Matthean

Steelers keep going to the playoffs. Arizona, not so much.

I never said they picked up the good players

Thomkal · 03-25-2012, 08:40 PM

Yes unfortunately the ex-steelers my beloved Cards take are usually ex-good too. Gay wasn't particularly good to begin with in this case either

fantom1979 · 03-27-2012, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by cuervo72

Said it before and I'll say it again - "Mark Sanchez" is Spanish for "Rex Grossman."

(seriously. look at those career lines.)

First 3 years:
Mark Sanchez: 55.3% Comp, 9209 yards, 55 TD, 51 INT, 73.2 rating
Eli Manning: 54.1% Comp, 8049 yards, 54 TD, 44 INT, 73.2 rating

I am not saying Sanchez will be Eli, but the guy is 25, can we give him some time? Rex Grossman has a decade of ineptitude on his resume.

lungs · 03-27-2012, 09:03 AM

I hope the Saints don't try to get Bill Parcells out of retirement when the real answer to be their interim head coach is Jim Mora Sr.

We need more rants.

BillJasper · 03-27-2012, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by lungs

I hope the Saints don't try to get Bill Parcells out of retirement when the real answer to be their interim head coach is Jim Mora Sr.

We need more rants.

I think Payton is trying to find someone so old that they won't be able to hold the job long-term, making it easier for him to return in 2013.

Ksyrup · 03-27-2012, 09:25 AM

Plus Parcells apparently has the attention span/commitment of a gnat these days, so...

Lathum · 03-27-2012, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by fantom1979

First 3 years:
Mark Sanchez: 55.3% Comp, 9209 yards, 55 TD, 51 INT, 73.2 rating
Eli Manning: 54.1% Comp, 8049 yards, 54 TD, 44 INT, 73.2 rating

I am not saying Sanchez will be Eli, but the guy is 25, can we give him some time? Rex Grossman has a decade of ineptitude on his resume.

The problaem is Eli only started 7 games his first season for a team that wasn't very good, which skew the numbers. Sanchez started for a team that had a championship caliber defense.

If you compare their first 3 years as starters Elis numbers trend better.

That being said I agree you have to give Sanchez more time and his numbers seem to have improved each year.

mckerney · 03-27-2012, 01:47 PM

Matthean · 03-27-2012, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

The problaem is Eli only started 7 games his first season for a team that wasn't very good, which skew the numbers. Sanchez started for a team that had a championship caliber defense.

If you compare their first 3 years as starters Elis numbers trend better.

That being said I agree you have to give Sanchez more time and his numbers seem to have improved each year.

Another thing to factor in is the running game isn't as good as when he was a rookie.

2009
Rushing Yards: 2,756
Average: 4.5
TO: +1
Rushing First Downs: 132
Passing First Downs: 131
Sacks: 32
TD%: 3.3
INT%: 5.5

2010
Rushing Yards: 2,374
Average: 4.4
TO: +9
Rushing First Downs: 118
Passing First Downs: 171
Sacks: 40
TD%: 3.4
INT%: 2.6

2011
Rushing Yards: 1,692
Average: 3.8
TO: -3
Rushing First Downs: 92
Passing First Downs: 173
Sacks: 35
TD%: 4.8
INT%: 3.3

I think what people get stuck on isn't his lack of numbers, but the boneheaded INTs he throws that kill games.

EDIT: The Jets had a 12 point swing in terms of TOs last year. Not all of that can be pinned on Sanchez.

Lathum · 03-28-2012, 11:09 AM

Jacobs to the niners

http://www.rotoworld.com/headlines/n...-backfield-mix

Kodos · 03-28-2012, 11:30 AM

*sniff*

fantom1979 · 03-28-2012, 05:32 PM

Interesting. I really liked the backup runningbacks in SF with Hunter and Dixon. I guess Dixon is probably done in SF now. Jacobs I would guess would be the short yardage/goal line back, while Hunter will probably be the passing down back.

Matthean · 03-28-2012, 10:15 PM

So, Parcells to coach the Saints?

kingfc22 · 03-28-2012, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by fantom1979

Interesting. I really liked the backup runningbacks in SF with Hunter and Dixon. I guess Dixon is probably done in SF now. Jacobs I would guess would be the short yardage/goal line back, while Hunter will probably be the passing down back.

Dixon sucked.

Jacobs will be a big upgrade over him.

Hunter will still likely get used as a change of pace back and in the return game.

Shkspr · 03-28-2012, 10:23 PM

I just hope whoever takes the Saints job this year institutes a bounty scheme. It's a brilliant idea because nobody will be expecting it. Bwah-ha-ha!

Tigercat · 03-28-2012, 10:30 PM

I say start a bounty system on the player equipment. You aren't trying to hurt the players, just break into pieces their helmets and pads.

fantom1979 · 03-29-2012, 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by kingfc22

Dixon sucked.

Jacobs will be a big upgrade over him.

Hunter will still likely get used as a change of pace back and in the return game.

I really liked Dixon out of college (his ability, not his attitude), and after his rookie pre-season I was really impressed. But his 3.3 YPA in the NFL so far puts him firmly into the suckage category.

jbergey22 · 03-29-2012, 05:09 PM

Reports claim the Browns are eyeing up Ryan Tannehill of Texas A&M with the 4th overall pick. I really think QBs are becoming completely overrated in the draft. I mean the Vikings took Ponder whom many thought was a late 2nd/early 3rd round pick in the top half of the first round. Tannehill by most opinions is at best a mid first round pick.

I wonder if NFL teams have forgetten that it is possible to win games without top 5 qbs. The past 2 years and the reaching for QBs has gotten ridiculous.

jbergey22 · 03-29-2012, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Matthean

So, Parcells to coach the Saints?

It is an interesting match that is for sure. Mr. ball control coaching a team that likes to score ASAP. I am really not sure Parcells is the right man for the job in this rare case.

Izulde · 03-29-2012, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by jbergey22

Reports claim the Browns are eyeing up Ryan Tannehill of Texas A&M with the 4th overall pick. I really think QBs are becoming completely overrated in the draft. I mean the Vikings took Ponder whom many thought was a late 2nd/early 3rd round pick in the top half of the first round. Tannehill by most opinions is at best a mid first round pick.

I wonder if NFL teams have forgetten that it is possible to win games without top 5 qbs. The past 2 years and the reaching for QBs has gotten ridiculous.

I really hope the Browns take Tannehill #4. That means the Dolphins can't draft him.

cartman · 03-29-2012, 06:12 PM

Tannehill is the definition of a project. He started out at A&M as a wide receiver, and only started at QB halfway through his junior year. His senior year was nothing to write home about. I'm stunned teams would consider him high in the first round.

Raiders Army · 03-29-2012, 06:16 PM

McNabb continues to show his intelligence. Why can't he just accept that he was in a great system in Philly and wasn't smart enough to learn another offense? When your backups can come in and run your offense as well as you, you know you're expendable.

Matthean · 03-29-2012, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by jbergey22

Reports claim the Browns are eyeing up Ryan Tannehill of Texas A&M with the 4th overall pick. I really think QBs are becoming completely overrated in the draft. I mean the Vikings took Ponder whom many thought was a late 2nd/early 3rd round pick in the top half of the first round. Tannehill by most opinions is at best a mid first round pick.

I wonder if NFL teams have forgetten that it is possible to win games without top 5 qbs. The past 2 years and the reaching for QBs has gotten ridiculous.

Tebow was a 3rd/4th rounder that went in the 1st only to be dumped later for late round picks. Teams make dumb decisions. I honestly don't see a fourth overall in Tannehill. I forget who, but their line of thinking for determining a NFL starting QB was number of starts and completion percentage. Tannehill fails horribly for number of starts. His senior year completion percentage went down to 61.5%. His best year was his junior year with 65%. RGIII was doing 65.2% as a sophomore and went up from there.

There is also this.
Shurmur watches Richardson, not Tannehill - NFL Nation Blog - ESPN

Yes, others in the Browns organization went to see Tannehill, but the one making the call for who gets picked was elsewhere. Tannehill feels more like a 2nd rounder to me. If the Browns want to keep plugging in a new QB without building around him, they will just remain where they are at.

SteveMax58 · 03-29-2012, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Matthean

Yes, others in the Browns organization went to see Tannehill, but the one making the call for who gets picked was elsewhere. Tannehill feels more like a 2nd rounder to me. If the Browns want to keep plugging in a new QB without building around him, they will just remain where they are at.

Yeah, I hate to sound cliche but picking the best player available, at a position where you dont already have a Pro Bowl calibur player, is still the best strategy to me. You can win 10+ games in the NFL & make the playoffs with a mediocre QB. And if you're REALLY good at defense and/or running the football, you might have a shot at more.

The Browns should be looking at lots of positions with their pick. But reaching with the #4 pick is absolutely stupid. Take the best C in the draft...or the best OLB...or RG...or whatever. At least they will be solid for a number of years until you can get the right free agent or future draft pick at QB.

jbergey22 · 03-29-2012, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by cartman

Tannehill is the definition of a project. He started out at A&M as a wide receiver, and only started at QB halfway through his junior year. His senior year was nothing to write home about. I'm stunned teams would consider him high in the first round.

Indeed. Not to mention he was throwing to some of the best WRs in the country. This certainly seems like a reach.

stevew · 03-29-2012, 08:15 PM

I'd guess Tannehill goes #3, especially if it becomes apparent that the Browns will take him. I'd say the Vikings could stand to drop down several spots, especially if they are getting a high #2 pick.

Danny · 03-29-2012, 10:03 PM

Man, second tier QB's have been sky rocketing the last couple years to QB needy teams. Last year Gabbert and Ponder went way too high and this year looks to be Tannehill and maybe Wheedon.

mckerney · 03-29-2012, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by stevew

I'd guess Tannehill goes #3, especially if it becomes apparent that the Browns will take him. I'd say the Vikings could stand to drop down several spots, especially if they are getting a high #2 pick.

I hope so. I don't have confidence that Spielman would be able to do anything with the additional picks, but it'd be better than taking Kalil at #3 if he's the pick.

Julio Riddols · 03-29-2012, 10:09 PM

The hype around Joss is just way overblown. He won't make it in the NFL. Might be an intriguing story line though.

Matthean · 03-29-2012, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Danny

Man, second tier QB's have been sky rocketing the last couple years to QB needy teams. Last year Gabbert and Ponder went way too high and this year looks to be Tannehill and maybe Wheedon.

I'm not sure Weeden is worth a 3rd.

Danny · 03-29-2012, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Matthean

I'm not sure Wheedon is worth a 3rd.

But he'll probably go somewhere in the 1st

03-24-2012, 01:03 PM	#1212
tucker rocky Pro Rookie Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Of no particular interest	Dawkins says Tebow “laid hands” on injured neck http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...-injured-neck/

03-24-2012, 01:20 PM	#1213
Grover Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Lisboa, ME	Bengals have re-signed DT Pat Sims. The off-season has shaped very nicely. There are still needs at guard, potentially MLB, safety and #2 WR. I'm still hoping for my dream first round of Kuelchy and DeCastro at 17 and 21. __________________ Come On You Irons! West Ham United \| Philadelphia Flyers \| Cincinnati Bengals \| Kansas City Royals FOFC Greatest Band Draft Runner Up FOFC Movie Remake Draft Winner FOFC Movie Comedy Draft Winner

03-25-2012, 04:20 PM	#1218
Suburban Rhythm Pro Starter Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Pittsburgh	Keeping a streak intact of however many offseasons in a row that a Steeler heads to Arizona, aka Pittsburgh West Ex-Steelers CB Gay heads to Arizona - Pittsburgh Post-Gazette __________________ "Do you guys play fast tempos with odd time signatures?" "Yeah" "Cool!!"

03-25-2012, 08:40 PM	#1221
Thomkal Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Surfside Beach,SC USA	Yes unfortunately the ex-steelers my beloved Cards take are usually ex-good too. Gay wasn't particularly good to begin with in this case either Last edited by Thomkal : 03-27-2012 at 09:06 AM.

03-27-2012, 09:25 AM	#1225
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	Plus Parcells apparently has the attention span/commitment of a gnat these days, so... __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

03-23-2012, 03:21 PM	#1201
bhlloy Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2003	What he didn't mention is that they are Boy Scouts, and Mike Brown is paying them in expired candy bars

03-23-2012, 03:21 PM	#1202
korme Go Reds Join Date: May 2001 Location: Bloodbuzz Ohio	Uncalled for bholloy!

03-27-2012, 09:03 AM	#1223
lungs Pro Rookie Join Date: May 2002 Location: Prairie du Sac, WI	I hope the Saints don't try to get Bill Parcells out of retirement when the real answer to be their interim head coach is Jim Mora Sr. We need more rants.

03-27-2012, 01:47 PM	#1227
mckerney Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000

03-28-2012, 11:09 AM	#1229
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	Jacobs to the niners http://www.rotoworld.com/headlines/n...-backfield-mix

03-28-2012, 11:30 AM	#1230
Kodos Resident Alien Join Date: Jun 2001	sniff __________________ Author of The Bill Gates Challenge, as well as other groundbreaking dynasties.

03-28-2012, 05:32 PM	#1231
fantom1979 College Benchwarmer Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Sterling Heights, Mi	Interesting. I really liked the backup runningbacks in SF with Hunter and Dixon. I guess Dixon is probably done in SF now. Jacobs I would guess would be the short yardage/goal line back, while Hunter will probably be the passing down back.

03-28-2012, 10:15 PM	#1232
Matthean Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Aug 2008	So, Parcells to coach the Saints? __________________ Board games: Bringing people back to the original social network, the table.

03-28-2012, 10:23 PM	#1234
Shkspr College Benchwarmer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Amarillo, TX	I just hope whoever takes the Saints job this year institutes a bounty scheme. It's a brilliant idea because nobody will be expecting it. Bwah-ha-ha!

03-28-2012, 10:30 PM	#1235
Tigercat College Starter Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Federal Way, WA	I say start a bounty system on the player equipment. You aren't trying to hurt the players, just break into pieces their helmets and pads.

03-29-2012, 05:09 PM	#1237
jbergey22 Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Minnesota	Reports claim the Browns are eyeing up Ryan Tannehill of Texas A&M with the 4th overall pick. I really think QBs are becoming completely overrated in the draft. I mean the Vikings took Ponder whom many thought was a late 2nd/early 3rd round pick in the top half of the first round. Tannehill by most opinions is at best a mid first round pick. I wonder if NFL teams have forgetten that it is possible to win games without top 5 qbs. The past 2 years and the reaching for QBs has gotten ridiculous.

03-29-2012, 06:12 PM	#1240
cartman Death Herald Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Le stelle la notte sono grandi e luminose nel cuore profondo del Texas	Tannehill is the definition of a project. He started out at A&M as a wide receiver, and only started at QB halfway through his junior year. His senior year was nothing to write home about. I'm stunned teams would consider him high in the first round. __________________ Thinkin' of a master plan 'Cuz ain't nuthin' but sweat inside my hand So I dig into my pocket, all my money is spent So I dig deeper but still comin' up with lint

03-29-2012, 06:16 PM	#1241
Raiders Army Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Black Hole	McNabb continues to show his intelligence. Why can't he just accept that he was in a great system in Philly and wasn't smart enough to learn another offense? When your backups can come in and run your offense as well as you, you know you're expendable.

03-29-2012, 08:15 PM	#1245
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	I'd guess Tannehill goes #3, especially if it becomes apparent that the Browns will take him. I'd say the Vikings could stand to drop down several spots, especially if they are getting a high #2 pick.

03-29-2012, 10:03 PM	#1246
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Man, second tier QB's have been sky rocketing the last couple years to QB needy teams. Last year Gabbert and Ponder went way too high and this year looks to be Tannehill and maybe Wheedon.

03-29-2012, 10:09 PM	#1248
Julio Riddols College Prospect Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Bryson Shitty, NC	The hype around Joss is just way overblown. He won't make it in the NFL. Might be an intriguing story line though. __________________ Recklessly enthused, stubbornly amused. FUCK EA

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