WW IL - Do Werewolves Dream of Electric Sheep? Game Over, page 36 - Page 25

Alan T · 07-20-2007, 11:05 AM

ok, well I am out for the weekend. back sunday night!

twothree · 07-20-2007, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

Ok, I assume Swaggs is going to survive the night, and get lynched tomorrow. I also assume the night target will NOT be one of the following, as the replicants will be hunting for a seer:

st.cronin
Lathum
Telle

Those three are the only ones remotely inside my cot at this point, other than actual Holden, who I obviously won't name.

I'm looking forward to hearing more from Barkeep tomorrow, would love to know his thoughts.

Why would st. cronin post that last sentence and then go and test Barkeep last night?

The people I trust the most are Lathum and Telle.

And either Swaggs or Barkeep49 will end up with my vote today.

Barkeep49 · 07-20-2007, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Alan T

I don't understand all the votes on Barkeep, but hey its Werewolf, so people vote wherever

I also don't understand.

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I also don't understand why suddenly everyone is happy that killing off AE, they don't need to worry about Swaggs anymore. We didn't learn anything about AE's death and I still think he likely was good.

I also don't understand.

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That said, tough decision on where to go without knowing how others will vote.. twothree said he would also vote Swaggs, but I think today the better vote is Lathum

He didn't get a message like anyone else who was scanned (He said his was like cronin's but cronin was a bladerunner, not someone who was scanned). It looks more like someone who said that just to gain trust.

Vote Lathum

I think this is a compelling argument. I think Lathum is a brilliant bad guy and would recognize the opportunity to claim to be scanned when he hadn't since it likely wouldn't come out who both bladerunners had scanned. I hadn't even considered this angle until just now, but it's completely something Lathum would do.

That said, I still feel like our best course is to go after Swaggs. We know for sure that either he or AE is a bad guy. By going after Swaggs today it would give a chance for the other BR to clear me tonight. I wouldn't advocate him/her publicly clearing me, but I would like to have a guarantee of someone who wouldn't vote for me.

Barkeep49 · 07-20-2007, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by twothree

Why would st. cronin post that last sentence and then go and test Barkeep last night?

The people I trust the most are Lathum and Telle.

And either Swaggs or Barkeep49 will end up with my vote today.

Because he knew one of two things:

1. I'd either have been found out a wolf by him and he could use that sentence as a pretense to vote for me
OR
2. I'd now know that he was a BR, and he would know I was not a replicant, and could more actively promote the idea of forming a COT around Telle and cronin.

I think, in other words, he was trying to prime the pump for people to believe me when I would come out today strongly in favor of his COT.

Barkeep49 · 07-20-2007, 11:19 AM

Ok my vote is going towards Swaggs. I think we can state pretty firmly that either he or AE is/was a wolf. We killed of AE yesterday, it seems silly to back away from finishing the plan today.

Vote Swaggs

twothree · 07-20-2007, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

I think this is a compelling argument. I think Lathum is a brilliant bad guy and would recognize the opportunity to claim to be scanned when he hadn't since it likely wouldn't come out who both bladerunners had scanned. I hadn't even considered this angle until just now, but it's completely something Lathum would do.

But why would st. cronin include Lathum in his COT?

Barkeep49 · 07-20-2007, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by twothree

But why would st. cronin include Lathum in his COT?

Did he? Do we have a post on that? If cronin did then obviously Lathum's not a bad guy.

Barkeep49 · 07-20-2007, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

Ok, I assume Swaggs is going to survive the night, and get lynched tomorrow. I also assume the night target will NOT be one of the following, as the replicants will be hunting for a seer:

st.cronin
Lathum
Telle

Those three are the only ones remotely inside my cot at this point, other than actual Holden, who I obviously won't name.

I'm looking forward to hearing more from Barkeep tomorrow, would love to know his thoughts.

Found it. OK so cronin did clear Lathum. Too bad Alan isn't around to change his vote.

Swaggs · 07-20-2007, 11:38 AM

I brought up that Lathum was in st.cronin's CoT before Alan left.

I'd vote for me today if I were you all (even though I'm a human), but I'd take a look at Alan T soon after. He is usually very analytical in these games, but he has slipped some things in, this game, that don't make a lot of sense to me.

Telle · 07-20-2007, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Swaggs

I brought up that Lathum was in st.cronin's CoT before Alan left.

I'd vote for me today if I were you all (even though I'm a human), but I'd take a look at Alan T soon after. He is usually very analytical in these games, but he has slipped some things in, this game, that don't make a lot of sense to me.

Care to elaborate on that?

Swaggs · 07-20-2007, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Telle

Care to elaborate on that?

Sure.

Post #1173

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Originally Posted by Swaggs

Actually, didn't cronin say he trusted Telle and Lathum yesterday (at some point)?

Post #1192

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Originally Posted by Alan T

So

Barkeep + Telle is either good or bad
Lathum's message is different from Telle + Barkeep's.
Telle states it was not cronin who scanned her, which means if we believe Telle + Barkeep then both Bladerunners give the same message

So I have 10 min till I have to leave, I dont think I will be voting for barkeep, doubt I will vote for telle,

The people I think I wouldn't mind voting for right now are:

Swaggs, Lathum, Lonestargirl.

I have to make my decision in 15 min and wont be able to change it as I will be gone for the day

Post #1200

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Originally Posted by Alan T

I don't understand all the votes on Barkeep, but hey its Werewolf, so people vote wherever

I also don't understand why suddenly everyone is happy that killing off AE, they don't need to worry about Swaggs anymore. We didn't learn anything about AE's death and I still think he likely was good.

That said, tough decision on where to go without knowing how others will vote.. twothree said he would also vote Swaggs, but I think today the better vote is Lathum

He didn't get a message like anyone else who was scanned (He said his was like cronin's but cronin was a bladerunner, not someone who was scanned). It looks more like someone who said that just to gain trust.

Vote Lathum

Swaggs · 07-20-2007, 11:50 AM

Anyone have any final questions for me?

I'm about done for the day.

Telle · 07-20-2007, 11:58 AM

Yeah it does seem like he's really pushing for Lathum.. and his logic doesn't really add up right. My assumption is that Lathum said his PM was like Cronin's because it was Cronin that scanned him and he was trying to cover for him.

Swaggs · 07-20-2007, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Telle

Yeah it does seem like he's really pushing for Lathum.. and his logic doesn't really add up right. My assumption is that Lathum said his PM was like Cronin's because it was Cronin that scanned him and he was trying to cover for him.

I'm not even so sure he pushing for Lathum, as I think the deck is fairly stacked against me at this point. But, to put a little heat on Lathum now would make him an easy suspect tomorrow or, if Lathum somehow gets the vote today, everyone can go back to me tomorrow with the, "AE and Swaggs both have to go" argument, and the wolves can go two days without facing a vote.

twothree · 07-20-2007, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Swaggs

I brought up that Lathum was in st.cronin's CoT before Alan left.

I'd vote for me today if I were you all (even though I'm a human), but I'd take a look at Alan T soon after. He is usually very analytical in these games, but he has slipped some things in, this game, that don't make a lot of sense to me.

So why did you choose to vote for me, if you want us to look at Alan T?

Swaggs · 07-20-2007, 12:09 PM

And, I will add in that I just think it is strange that Alan wouldn't vote for me today. He was one of the bigger proponents of pushing the vote to me yesterday and, even today, he was of the opinion that AE and I should both die. And then he votes for Lathum.

twothree · 07-20-2007, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Swaggs

I have my reasons. I'm sure none of them will interest any of you.

Vote Alan twothree

So what are your reasons? They would at least interest me.

Swaggs · 07-20-2007, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by twothree

So why did you choose to vote for me, if you want us to look at Alan T?

I think you are a replicant and I voted before Alan made the two posts I quoted.

I was originally going to vote for Alan (even typed it, as we all know), but decided on you based on your vote history.

Jonathan Ezarik · 07-20-2007, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

But then wouldn't there be two dead people? Cronin, who I supposedly killed after he tested me, and a second person who was the regular night kill? I don't think that scenario adds up.

If you're Roy, by cronin paying you a visit it blocked you from going out and making a kill.

Regardless, I'm not planning on voting for you today. Right now I'm leaning towards Swaggs and Lathum. If someone else can come out and say they were scanned by Holden and know his identity, I'll feel better about Lathum.

LoneStarGirl · 07-20-2007, 12:24 PM

[quote=Barkeep49;1506784]
I think this is a compelling argument. I think Lathum is a brilliant bad guy and would recognize the opportunity to claim to be scanned when he hadn't since it likely wouldn't come out who both bladerunners had scanned. I hadn't even considered this angle until just now, but it's completely something Lathum would do. [quote]

I am pretty sure I said that right after Lathum claimed to be scanned... you should really pay attention to what I say

LoneStarGirl · 07-20-2007, 12:26 PM

I hate when quotes mess up. I won't be voting for Barkeep today either, but I think he is somebody worth paying attention too. I think the majority of people will go towards Swaggs today, and I dont see why not.

vote Swaggs

Barkeep49 · 07-20-2007, 12:30 PM

[quote=LoneStarGirl;1506875][quote=Barkeep49;1506784]
I think this is a compelling argument. I think Lathum is a brilliant bad guy and would recognize the opportunity to claim to be scanned when he hadn't since it likely wouldn't come out who both bladerunners had scanned. I hadn't even considered this angle until just now, but it's completely something Lathum would do.

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I am pretty sure I said that right after Lathum claimed to be scanned... you should really pay attention to what I say

As I previously stated I really wasn't paying huge amounts of attention to the game yesterday after everyone's tempers settled down.

Anyhow you just need to have patience for people that aren't as fast as you are and take longer to get to the conclusion you reached easily

twothree · 07-20-2007, 01:11 PM

I have no evidence that anyone is a replicant. I have just been going by hunches and what others have posted. If Swaggs is the one who will get the majority of votes. I would rather make sure that he does get on the shuttle to Mars.

unvote Barkeep49
vote Swaggs

RendeR · 07-20-2007, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by twothree

I have no evidence that anyone is a replicant. I have just been going by hunches and what others have posted. If Swaggs is the one who will get the majority of votes. I would rather make sure that he does get on the shuttle to Mars.

unvote Barkeep49
vote Swaggs

You know, its funny....This is exactly the tactic I used to stay out of the limelight in the last game as a wolf.....

UNVOTE BARKEEP

VOTE TWOTHREE

st.cronin · 07-20-2007, 01:48 PM

3 ghosts in the thread.

KWhit · 07-20-2007, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

3 ghosts in the thread.

*waves*

Jonathan Ezarik · 07-20-2007, 02:08 PM

VOTE SWAGGS

I still think AE was human, so that leaves Swaggs as the replicant out of those two. I would like to hear from someone else who was scanned by Holden, though, in order to fully clear Lathum.

path12 · 07-20-2007, 02:12 PM

Has everyone checked in today? And Barkeep is the only one who claims to have been scanned?

Telle · 07-20-2007, 02:15 PM

I don't think we had heard from Lathum.. but I see him here now.

Telle · 07-20-2007, 02:17 PM

We're also missing Cheif Rum (said he'd be away most of the day) and NTN.

Lathum · 07-20-2007, 02:22 PM

ok, here.

Telle · 07-20-2007, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

ok, here.

Ok, so were you scanned last night?

And was the Bladerunner who previously scanned you St Cronin? And did you verify his story in order to cover for him?

path12 · 07-20-2007, 02:23 PM

OK, I hope one of them has something to report.

What is concerning me right now with the non-reveals on death this game is that the options for discovering information appear to be centered on Deckard and Holden. It appears we lost one of those last night with Cronin.

The problem is that the only way we're going to be able to form any kind of CoT is by who has or hasn't been scanned. And we've got some folks missing from that roster, and I'm not sure why.

Barkeep49 · 07-20-2007, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by path12

Has everyone checked in today? And Barkeep is the only one who claims to have been scanned?

I don't think CR has been around.

Barkeep49 · 07-20-2007, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by path12

OK, I hope one of them has something to report.

What is concerning me right now with the non-reveals on death this game is that the options for discovering information appear to be centered on Deckard and Holden. It appears we lost one of those last night with Cronin.

The problem is that the only way we're going to be able to form any kind of CoT is by who has or hasn't been scanned. And we've got some folks missing from that roster, and I'm not sure why.

What roster are you talking about?

path12 · 07-20-2007, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

What roster are you talking about?

People who have been scanned. We only have one for night 1, we had two for night 2, and we only have one for last night. That leaves two that are either not coming forward or who are dead.

Telle · 07-20-2007, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by path12

People who have been scanned. We only have one for night 1, we had two for night 2, and we only have one for last night. That leaves two that are either not coming forward or who are dead.

Going by the assumption that each Bladerunner can scan each night. Interestingly, St. Cronin had a post questioning that.. but maybe he was just trying to throw off the replicants?

Lathum · 07-20-2007, 02:27 PM

Allright, here is what happened yesterday.

I was scanned night 1 and was told it was St.Cronin who scanned me. I of course came up clean.

When St.Cronin came out yesterday I thought it was a big mistake, I just didn't think there was much to gain by it. Sure enough Telle slams him about 2minutes later. Everything Telle said was correct and I feel bad for playing that card on her but I felt it was the only way to protect St. Cronin from being lynched yesterday.

I was thinking on a few different levels.

I thought I could get Telle lynched instead of Cronin. I also thought Telle would be a good night kill to set me up to look bad. Obviously the wolves caught on to St. Cronin.

I am 99.99999% sure Telle is clean and if it wasn't Cronin who scanned her then we have a COT of 3 for now.

The question is this, if it wasn't Cronin who scanned Telle then what was Cronin doing that night?

Lathum · 07-20-2007, 02:31 PM

dola- I also think one of the bad guys is a very expierienced player to see right through cronin.

I say either Path or Barkeep.

Telle · 07-20-2007, 02:33 PM

I don't think it's Barkeep just because of the way he said things when he listed out what happened last night. Just something about it reminds me of my PM when I was scanned.

Lathum · 07-20-2007, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Telle

I don't think it's Barkeep just because of the way he said things when he listed out what happened last night. Just something about it reminds me of my PM when I was scanned.

I tend to agree with this.

Lathum · 07-20-2007, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

dola- I also think one of the bad guys is a very expierienced player to see right through cronin.

I say either Path or Barkeep.

I would add AlanT to this list as well

Barkeep49 · 07-20-2007, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

dola- I also think one of the bad guys is a very expierienced player to see right through cronin.

I say either Path or Barkeep.

I think that's a pretty small list of experienced players. What about Alan, for instance?

path12 · 07-20-2007, 02:38 PM

Well, it's not me, I'm afraid. I'm just trying to buy a clue here.

path12 · 07-20-2007, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

I think that's a pretty small list of experienced players. What about Alan, for instance?

Rum and ntn would certainly fit also.

path12 · 07-20-2007, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

I was scanned night 1 and was told it was St.Cronin who scanned me. I of course came up clean.

So were you just told it was Cronin? Not the character name?

Though now that I think of it, it was Cronin who mentioned the person and character name, so I guess that whole lead might have been a red herring.

Barkeep49 · 07-20-2007, 02:42 PM

Hee. The humor of cross posting.

Telle · 07-20-2007, 02:43 PM

Alan's definitely been feeling a little fishy to me. We've all been jumping on Swaggs, but I've been wondering lately if maybe he isn't the bodyguard? And after what happened with st.cronin we have to remember that sometimes when someone seems a little off it may be because they're hiding their special role rather than because they're a replicant.. which of course makes things all that more confusing.

Barkeep49 · 07-20-2007, 02:43 PM

Did Tangle ever post the weekend plan?

Barkeep49 · 07-20-2007, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Telle

Alan's definitely been feeling a little fishy to me. We've all been jumping on Swaggs, but I've been wondering lately if maybe he isn't the bodyguard? And after what happened with st.cronin we have to remember that sometimes when someone seems a little off it may be because they're hiding their special role rather than because they're a replicant.. which of course makes things all that more confusing.

Swaggs is the bodyguard, you're suggesting? If so how does that reconcile with getting an identical dream with ardent.

07-20-2007, 11:38 AM	#1209
Swaggs Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	I brought up that Lathum was in st.cronin's CoT before Alan left. I'd vote for me today if I were you all (even though I'm a human), but I'd take a look at Alan T soon after. He is usually very analytical in these games, but he has slipped some things in, this game, that don't make a lot of sense to me. __________________ DOWN WITH HATTRICK!!! The RWBL Are you reading In The Bleachers?

07-20-2007, 11:50 AM	#1212
Swaggs Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	Anyone have any final questions for me? I'm about done for the day. __________________ DOWN WITH HATTRICK!!! The RWBL Are you reading In The Bleachers?

07-20-2007, 12:09 PM	#1216
Swaggs Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	And, I will add in that I just think it is strange that Alan wouldn't vote for me today. He was one of the bigger proponents of pushing the vote to me yesterday and, even today, he was of the opinion that AE and I should both die. And then he votes for Lathum. __________________ DOWN WITH HATTRICK!!! The RWBL Are you reading In The Bleachers?

07-20-2007, 01:48 PM	#1225
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	3 ghosts in the thread. __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

07-20-2007, 02:12 PM	#1228
path12 Coordinator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle, WA	Has everyone checked in today? And Barkeep is the only one who claims to have been scanned? __________________ We have always been at war with Eastasia.

07-20-2007, 11:05 AM	#1201
Alan T Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mass.	ok, well I am out for the weekend. back sunday night!

07-20-2007, 11:19 AM	#1205
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	Ok my vote is going towards Swaggs. I think we can state pretty firmly that either he or AE is/was a wolf. We killed of AE yesterday, it seems silly to back away from finishing the plan today. Vote Swaggs

07-20-2007, 11:58 AM	#1213
Telle College Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Buffalo, NY	Yeah it does seem like he's really pushing for Lathum.. and his logic doesn't really add up right. My assumption is that Lathum said his PM was like Cronin's because it was Cronin that scanned him and he was trying to cover for him.

07-20-2007, 12:24 PM	#1220
LoneStarGirl College Starter Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Little Rock, AR	[quote=Barkeep49;1506784] I think this is a compelling argument. I think Lathum is a brilliant bad guy and would recognize the opportunity to claim to be scanned when he hadn't since it likely wouldn't come out who both bladerunners had scanned. I hadn't even considered this angle until just now, but it's completely something Lathum would do. [quote] I am pretty sure I said that right after Lathum claimed to be scanned... you should really pay attention to what I say

07-20-2007, 12:26 PM	#1221
LoneStarGirl College Starter Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Little Rock, AR	I hate when quotes mess up. I won't be voting for Barkeep today either, but I think he is somebody worth paying attention too. I think the majority of people will go towards Swaggs today, and I dont see why not. vote Swaggs

07-20-2007, 01:11 PM	#1223
twothree College Prospect Join Date: May 2005	I have no evidence that anyone is a replicant. I have just been going by hunches and what others have posted. If Swaggs is the one who will get the majority of votes. I would rather make sure that he does get on the shuttle to Mars. unvote Barkeep49 vote Swaggs

07-20-2007, 02:08 PM	#1227
Jonathan Ezarik College Benchwarmer Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Bossier City, LA	VOTE SWAGGS I still think AE was human, so that leaves Swaggs as the replicant out of those two. I would like to hear from someone else who was scanned by Holden, though, in order to fully clear Lathum.

07-20-2007, 02:15 PM	#1229
Telle College Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Buffalo, NY	I don't think we had heard from Lathum.. but I see him here now.

07-20-2007, 02:17 PM	#1230
Telle College Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Buffalo, NY	We're also missing Cheif Rum (said he'd be away most of the day) and NTN.

07-20-2007, 02:22 PM	#1231
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	ok, here.

07-20-2007, 02:23 PM	#1233
path12 Coordinator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle, WA	OK, I hope one of them has something to report. What is concerning me right now with the non-reveals on death this game is that the options for discovering information appear to be centered on Deckard and Holden. It appears we lost one of those last night with Cronin. The problem is that the only way we're going to be able to form any kind of CoT is by who has or hasn't been scanned. And we've got some folks missing from that roster, and I'm not sure why. __________________ We have always been at war with Eastasia.

07-20-2007, 02:27 PM	#1238
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	Allright, here is what happened yesterday. I was scanned night 1 and was told it was St.Cronin who scanned me. I of course came up clean. When St.Cronin came out yesterday I thought it was a big mistake, I just didn't think there was much to gain by it. Sure enough Telle slams him about 2minutes later. Everything Telle said was correct and I feel bad for playing that card on her but I felt it was the only way to protect St. Cronin from being lynched yesterday. I was thinking on a few different levels. I thought I could get Telle lynched instead of Cronin. I also thought Telle would be a good night kill to set me up to look bad. Obviously the wolves caught on to St. Cronin. I am 99.99999% sure Telle is clean and if it wasn't Cronin who scanned her then we have a COT of 3 for now. The question is this, if it wasn't Cronin who scanned Telle then what was Cronin doing that night?

07-20-2007, 02:31 PM	#1239
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	dola- I also think one of the bad guys is a very expierienced player to see right through cronin. I say either Path or Barkeep.

07-20-2007, 02:33 PM	#1240
Telle College Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Buffalo, NY	I don't think it's Barkeep just because of the way he said things when he listed out what happened last night. Just something about it reminds me of my PM when I was scanned.

07-20-2007, 02:38 PM	#1244
path12 Coordinator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle, WA	Well, it's not me, I'm afraid. I'm just trying to buy a clue here. __________________ We have always been at war with Eastasia.

07-20-2007, 02:42 PM	#1247
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	Hee. The humor of cross posting.

07-20-2007, 02:43 PM	#1248
Telle College Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Buffalo, NY	Alan's definitely been feeling a little fishy to me. We've all been jumping on Swaggs, but I've been wondering lately if maybe he isn't the bodyguard? And after what happened with st.cronin we have to remember that sometimes when someone seems a little off it may be because they're hiding their special role rather than because they're a replicant.. which of course makes things all that more confusing.

07-20-2007, 02:43 PM	#1249
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	Did Tangle ever post the weekend plan?

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