WW CXLVI: Portal GAME OVER - Test8

[Narcizo]

Day Two

#253 04:12 Narcizo votes Ragone (1)
#260 09:38 Marc Vaughan votes Marc Vaughan (1)
#270 10:59 Passacaglia votes mckerney (1)
#274 11:07 Julio Riddols votes mckerney (2)
#276 11:36 bhlloy votes britrock88 (1)
#280 12:21 Jackal votes Raiders Army (1)
#303 13:14 JAG votes Raiders Army (2)
#304 13:22 Hoops votes Jackal (1)
#317 13:41 Ragone votes mckerney (3)
#325 14:09 Marc Vaughan unvotes Marc Vaughan (0)

#339 14:47 Packer votes Jackal (2)
#348 15:09 Ragone unvotes Chubby (2)
#353 15:17 Autumn votes Jackal (3)
#355 15:20 GoldenEagle votes Jackal (4)
#365 15:48 Narcizo unvotes Ragone (0)
#365 15:48 Narcizo votes Raiders Army (3)
#371 16:07 Ragone votes Raiders Army (4)
#382 17:48 Tyketime votes Jackal (5)

#385 17:58 McKerney replaces Chubby
#391 18:10 Zinto pushes button

#409 18:52 KWhit votes Jackal (6)
#412 18:59 bhlloy unvotes britrock (0)
#412 18:59 bhlloy votes Raiders Army (5)
#416 19:14 McKerney votes Raiders Army (6)
#422 19:34 Darth Vilus votes Jackal (7)
#427 19:41 Raiders Army votes Jackal (8)
#441 21:09 Barkeep votes Raiders Army (7)
#447 21:41 Passacaglia unvotes mckerney (1)
#447 21:41 Passacaglia votes Raiders Army (8)
#474 21:56 Bhlloy unvotes Raiders Army (7)
#474 21:56 Bhlloy votes Jackal (9)
#478 21:57 Britrock votes Raiders Army (8)

Mckerney (1) - Julio (274)
Raiders Army (8) - Jackal (280), Jag (303), Narcizo (365), Ragone (371), mckerney (412), Barkeep (441), Passacaglia (447), Britrock (478)
Jackal (9) - Hoops (304), Packer (339), Autumn (353), GoldenEagle (355), Tyketime (382), KWhit (409), Darth Vilus (422), Raiders Army (427), Bhlloy (474)
No Vote (2) - Marc Vaughan, Simbo Klice
Unable to vote (1) - Zinto

[Narcizo]

Day Three

#549 5:07 Narcizo votes Marc Vaughan (1)
#555 7:40 Barkeep votes GoldenEagle (1)
#563 10:39 Autumn votes Raiders Army (1)
#566 11:49 Bhlloy votes Britrock (1)
#567 11:54 Britrock votes Bhlloy (1)
#569 12:10 tyketime votes Britrock (2)

#572 12:24 Marc Vaughan votes Narcizo (1)
#573 12:28 JAG votes Autumn (1)
#576 12:38 Britrock unvotes Bhlloy (0)
#576 12:38 Britrock votes GoldenEagle (2)
#584 13:54 Packer votes Raiders Army (2)
#585 13:55 Julio votes Mckerney (1)
#588 13:59 Bhlloy unvotes Britrock (1)
#588 13:59 Bhlloy votes Autumn (2)

#589 14:09 Darth Vilius votes Autumn (3)
#597 14:18 Hoops votes GoldenEagle (3)
#601 14:32 Autumn unvotes Raiders (1)
#601 14:32 Autumn votes Packer (1)
#602 14:42 Narcizo unvotes Marc Vaughan (0)
#602 14:42 Narcizo votes Darth Vilius (1)
#604 14:50 GoldenEagle votes Packer (2)
#606 15:15 JAG unvotes Autumn (2)
#606 15:15 JAG votes Darth Vilius (2)

#614 16:44 Marc Vaughan unvotes Narcizo (0)
#614 16:44 Marc Vaughan votes Autumn (3)
#616 16:47 Marc Vaughan unvotes Autumn (2)
#616 16:47 Marc Vaughan votes Darth Vilius (3)
#618 16:54 Bhlloy unvotes Autumn (2)
#618 16:54 Bhlloy votes Packers (2)
#620 18:01 Tyketime unvotes Britrock (0)

#628 18:18 Tyketime presses button

#629 18:20 Ragone votes Darth Vilius (4)
#631 18:27 Tyketime votes GoldenEagle (4)
#634 18:36 Raiders Army votes GoldenEagle (5)
#652 20:47 KWhit votes Darth Vilius (5)
#658 20:52 Autumn unvotes Packers (1)
#658 20:52 Autumn votes Darth Vilius (6)
#672 21:25 mckerney votes GoldenEagle (6)
#673 21:31 GoldenEagle unvotes Packer (0)
#673 21:31 GoldenEagle votes Darth Vilius (7)


Darth Vilus (7) - Narcizo (602), JAG (606), Marc Vaughan (616), Ragone (629), KWhit (652), Autumn (658), Goldeneagle (673)
Goldeneagle (6) - Barkeep (555), britrock (576), hoopsguy (597), Tyketime (631), Raiders Army (634), mckerney (672)
Raiders Army (1) - PackerFanatic (584)
Autumn (1) - Darth Vilus (589)
Mckerney (1) - Julio Riddols (585)
PackerFanatic (1) - bhlloy (618)
No Vote: Simbo Klice, Passacaglia

[Narcizo]

Day Four

#744 05:45 Simbo votes Autumn (1)
#751 07:12 Barkeep votes Autumn (2)
#754 07:40 Tyketime votes Simbo (1)
#756 08:40 Ragone votes Autumn (3)
#764 09:20 Marc Vaughan votes Autumn (4)
#782 10:05 Julio Riddols votes Autumn (5)
#787 10:30 Bhlloy votes mckerney (1)
#788 10:31 KWhit votes Autumn (6)

#795 11:04 Autumn votes Packer (1)
#812 11:56 Tyketime unvotes Simbo (0)
#813 11:56 Julio unvotes Autumn (5)
#813 11:56 Julio votes Mckerney (2)
#822 13:02 GoldenEagle votes Packer (2)
#827 14:32 Narcizo votes Packer (3)
#829 14:46 Bhlloy unvotes mckerney (1)
#829 14:46 Bhlloy votes Packers (4)
#831 14:51 Packers votes Autumn (6)
#853 16:28 Britrock votes Autumn (7)
#879 18:51 Raiders votes Packers (5)
#880 18:59 Tyketime votes Packers (6)

#882 19:28 Julio unvotes mckerney (0)
#882 19:28 Julio votes Autumn (8)
#887 19:35 mckerney votes Packer (7)
#900 21:08 JAG votes Packer (8)
#913 21:44 Passacaglia votes Packer (9)
#941 21:59 Passacaglia unvotes Packer (8)
#941 21:59 Passacaglia votes Autumn (9)
#942 22:00 Bhlloy unvotes Packer (7)
#942 22:00 Bhlloy votes Autumn (10)

Autumn (10) - Simbo (744), Barkeep (751), Ragone (756), Marc Vaughan (764), Kwhit (788), Packers (831), Britrock (853), Julio (882), Passacaglia (941), Bhlloy (942)
PackerFanatic (7) - Autumn (795), GoldenEagle (822), Narcizo (827), Raiders (879), Tyketime (880), mckerney (887), JAG (900)

[Narcizo]

You'll have to admit Bhlloy - you're getting making quite the habit of sending villagers to their deaths.

[Passacaglia]

Thanks, Narc, that helps. GE has voted for PF, who has pinged me for sure. He also attempted to vote for britrock on the day that we voted for happy lists, and really called out KWhit on the same day.

On the other hand, could all those accusations be the exact reason that the wolves chose GE, to lead us toward those guys?

[Ragone]

I agree with narcizo's analysis.. Bhlloy does look quite guilty.. late switchs.. granted we all have lynched our fair share of villagers at this point.

Marc Vaughn's and simbo's voting history is incomplete.. and that worries me. Mckerney is also starting to ping some worry in my mind.

[Ragone]

Basically if there are 4-5 wolves, we are most likely sunk without a correct lynch on monday.

[bhlloy]

Originally Posted by Narcizo

You'll have to admit Bhlloy - you're getting making quite the habit of sending villagers to their deaths.

No doubt. I'm hoping we were villager - villager each time but I'm resigned to the fact I probably cost us the game

[tyketime]

With it being Mother's Day weekend, my time until Monday may be a little more limited, so I at least want to throw a few thoughts out there:

1. I am surprised that there was so little movement late in the day yesterday on the Happy/Unhappy votes. The two explanations are that we were in another villager-villager situation. I have no qualms at all with Julio's last minute attempt at self-preservation. The other explanation is that anything that happened later on in the day would have been under extreme scrutiny, and so the wolves were willing to let one be sacrificed.

2. I am very frustrated with the concept that votes "don't matter". A couple of times I've posted a quick snapshot of pertinent voting, only to be told that it may not give us the whole picture. Yesterday's vote, while interesting, threw that completely out the window. I've never played a game with that mechanic, so I have no idea how to interpret it yet.

3. There have been a few suggestions made that maybe, just maybe, there really are no wolves in this game. And Glados is playing cruel mind games with us. But if you can really take a step back, I have not seen a single piece of evidence mentioned (from us or CF) that proves they are even really in play. Furthermore, either CF threw us a hint yesterday that hinted this actually being the case, or is yet another cruel hoax:

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

You know. I think I agree with you now. There's nothing funny going on. These are just harsh testing environments and you seem indeed to just be voting each other to your deaths.

>*CHIRP*<

4. I've seen a number of buttons. I tried to push one the second time they appeared, but nothing happened. Apparently I wasn't eligible to push a button. But I think we have determined that pushing the button provides rewards (Autumn's boots, bhlloy's extra votes). What I'm getting at is that in a game where there are objects in play, there has been very little discussion regarding who has what, and how it can be beneficial to us. Does that mean the wolves have all the objects? Why are players unwilling to admit they pushed a button and got a reward? It's not exactly like we are falling over each other to help out.

5. I am also frustrated that a couple of players have been given the benefit of the doubt with incomplete voting records. Voting records are the single strongest piece of evidence we have in the long run. I warned that starting on Day 3, I was gonna "call out' those who were either quiet or not voting. And yet that gained no traction. In fact, there were even comments that at a certain point, it would be detrimental to consider it. But look where we are now. 7 Days in, and we still have a couple of those very same players. Yes - we have a partial voting record, but it's too many holes to try to analyze completely.

[/soapbox]

[Raiders Army]

I'm going Ragone's direction for Monday's lynch.

[Raiders Army]

Or Packers

[Narcizo]

Originally Posted by bhlloy

No doubt. I'm hoping we were villager - villager each time but I'm resigned to the fact I probably cost us the game

Or dun-dun-durrr won your side the game.

Honestly i don't know what to make of this game. Currently my vote is going to Britrock but I want to read through the thread and see if I'm missing something obvious.

[Ragone]

Originally Posted by Raiders Army

I'm going Ragone's direction for Monday's lynch.

Why? Because you too are a wolf and want the game to be over quickly?.. I'm noticing the wolf trends now... eliminate the good experienced villagers and leave some of the newer
Less expierenced till last as easy pickens.

I've been suspect of ra all along.. prove to me otherwise he's not a wolf.. or glados.

[bhlloy]

tyke - I didn't own up to pushing the button because it's just giving the wolves a roadmap who to kill that day. Button pushers get extra powers, so there its a no brainer to knock them off

Narc - I think you know this game well enough to know there's no way I make those moves (or own up to the last one) as a wolf.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by tyketime

4. I've seen a number of buttons. I tried to push one the second time they appeared, but nothing happened. Apparently I wasn't eligible to push a button. But I think we have determined that pushing the button provides rewards (Autumn's boots, bhlloy's extra votes). What I'm getting at is that in a game where there are objects in play, there has been very little discussion regarding who has what, and how it can be beneficial to us. Does that mean the wolves have all the objects? Why are players unwilling to admit they pushed a button and got a reward? It's not exactly like we are falling over each other to help out.

That's pretty key, and makes me have to think even harder about bhlloy. I think some heavy teamwork is our best shot at this point. Obviously, those with rewards know better about whether or not they should reveal, but it might help us to be on the same page as much as possible, instead of having votes determined by stuff we didn't even know about.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by bhlloy

tyke - I didn't own up to pushing the button because it's just giving the wolves a roadmap who to kill that day. Button pushers get extra powers, so there its a no brainer to knock them off

Narc - I think you know this game well enough to know there's no way I make those moves (or own up to the last one) as a wolf.

True, you get points for that -- I mean, no one would have known if you didn't speak up after the fact. Although, man, why'd you have to make one of your hidden votes so crucial?

[Narcizo]

Originally Posted by bhlloy

Narc - I think you know this game well enough to know there's no way I make those moves (or own up to the last one) as a wolf.

Dunno. If the wolves did save Britrock then someone has got to own up to saving him or he's toast today. Of course it doesn't have to have been you who saved Britrock it could be any one of 4 or 5 people. Don't understand why it would be you to admit it though so that's a star for you.

But yeah - the vote switching wouldn't be standard for a wolf. I'll be inordinately pissed off (but take my hat off to you as well) if it turns out that Britrock, Packer and Raiders are all wolves and you've saved their arses three nights out of four. But that sort of thing doesn't happen. I hope.

[Marc Vaughan]

Originally Posted by tyketime

. I've seen a number of buttons. I tried to push one the second time they appeared, but nothing happened. Apparently I wasn't eligible to push a button. But I think we have determined that pushing the button provides rewards (Autumn's boots, bhlloy's extra votes).

The buttons require a 'cube' - did you have one? ... from what I've ascertained if they're pressed without a cube they go 'inert' (ie. unusable) .... but if you have a cube then you place it on the button before its pressed (or anyone else puts something on it) and get a reward.

5. I am also frustrated that a couple of players have been given the benefit of the doubt with incomplete voting records. Voting records are the single strongest piece of evidence we have in the long run.

I was surprised that I appear to have been given a 'pass' - I'm known to be new to the game, didn't vote on day one and am little help tbh because I'm still learning the ropes.

My gut instinct suggests we'd have been darn unlucky not to snare a wolf at least once by now if only by pure luck - that leans towards there being none ...

However, that being said we have to presume there are until proven otherwise, GE's death to me means he either did something he wasn't meant to (ie. upset GlaDos - in the no wolves scenario) or was getting close to targetting wolves (if they were present).

[Simbo Klice]

I also thought more people would switch up their Happy Lists, but I guess all it took was one hidden one to make a switch. Having hidden votes seems scum-ish, I have to say. I guess the only non-shady thing is that bhlloy admitted he was the one to do it.

[bhlloy]

Had to do it btw, I tried to give an incomplete list and was told it was not allowed. Not that that is much comfort given the result

[britrock88]

The one reason anyone would be reluctant to admit that he pressed a button and received a reward is the fear that there are wolves out there who can react to that admission. As that seems less and less likely as the game goes on, we may find it easier to inform you of that.

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by britrock88

The one reason anyone would be reluctant to admit that he pressed a button and received a reward is the fear that there are wolves out there who can react to that admission. As that seems less and less likely as the game goes on, we may find it easier to inform you of that.

Why does it seem less likely?

Also it seems from today's discussion we've given up the idea of no wolves? Yes?

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by Narcizo

But yeah - the vote switching wouldn't be standard for a wolf. I'll be inordinately pissed off (but take my hat off to you as well) if it turns out that Britrock, Packer and Raiders are all wolves and you've saved their arses three nights out of four. But that sort of thing doesn't happen. I hope.

It does seem unlikely that this could have happened so often with so little attention. So let's given it attention now. I think this theory comes awfully close to the "grand unified theory of wolfdom" I said I was suspicious of before. Why do you say that this thing doesn't happen?

[britrock88]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Why does it seem less likely?

Also it seems from today's discussion we've given up the idea of no wolves? Yes?

Okay. If that's the case, then, I think those who are mum about whatever they get from pressing a button are fine to do so. I just wanted to square whatever our opinion is about wolves in this game with informing the group about whatever it is the buttons do.

[Ragone]

raiders and packers have both been saved by some late switching if i recall correctly. I think you are on to something barkeep and i'll likely be going that way on monday

[Passacaglia]

So thinking about this a bit more, I'm starting to wonder about my suspicions of britrock. Like Narcizo said, this voting method was ridiculously easy for the wolves. Julio had one point, so all the wolves had to do was make sure one of their own had two points.

Given that, why would the wolves save britrock in this manner, then reveal it?

Julio's one point came from britrock. Wolf or villager, it's not a very good act of self-preservation on britrock's part to vote for Julio. Britrock's own vote would have killed him, if not for bhlloy's vote. This has me back where I started, actually -- maybe the wolves tried to be sneaky in how they saved britrock (and maybe even get britrock some trust, since britrock could point to having voted for Julio at britrock's own expense), but bhlloy ended up panicking and revealing, fearing that he would be revealed by Glados?

[Narcizo]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

It does seem unlikely that this could have happened so often with so little attention. So let's given it attention now. I think this theory comes awfully close to the "grand unified theory of wolfdom" I said I was suspicious of before. Why do you say that this thing doesn't happen?

Because it would be suicidal for Bhlloy to link himself so overtly with three wolves. An interesting tactic would be to do it once with a wolf and then twice with villagers. If he gets caught as a wolf it almost certainly means we lynch a villager or two after. Makes me wonder because I don't remember Bhlloy being so Danny at deadline.

[Marc Vaughan]

Originally Posted by britrock88

Okay. If that's the case, then, I think those who are mum about whatever they get from pressing a button are fine to do so. I just wanted to square whatever our opinion is about wolves in this game with informing the group about whatever it is the buttons do.

The problem I have is that not announcing information is actually preventing us from being able to work out whats going on.

For instance if we had a 'protector' sort of character power then I don't see why he'd keep quiet - you'd announce that pretty fast as it'd encourage anyone with 'seer' style powers (ie. ways to help detect wolves) to come out into the open .... giving us yet more information.

The only 'powered' person I remember us losing was the 'Seer' - which implies whatever other 'standard' powered people are out there? ... what powers are normally kicking about in a Werewolf game?

(I'm a normal vanilla tester myself)

Did we all start off 'normal' and get powers from the cubes? - is it possible that we all started 'normal' and wolves are being created from the cubes/pressing? ...

[Narcizo]

Just looking at the day one means it's certainly possible that everyone started as villagers, possibly all vanilla. There's normally a bodyguard role in the game - usually they don't reveal as they are unable to protect themselves two nights in a row. But definitely around this stage you'd want the seer to reveal no matter what information he had - particularly if the bodyguard is a alive. Of course we don't know there is a bodyguard. There may only be four wolves in which case a lack of bodyguard would counter that to some extent.

Yes it's possible that wolves are being created by some event. I think it's interesting and possibly significant that of the 9 people who received a vote 6 have turned out to be villagers. With me that's 7 out of 9 people voted for who are villagers. No idea if it's just random or if it means something but I'm starting to agree that this game is substantially different from a standard ruleset. Absolutely no idea how different but I'm still working on the assumption that there are wolves - possibly the day one numbers means that there are conversions and one chief wolf who has picked people. Or there's something like the Star Wars game where there were only two actualy wolves and then three potential wolves or something. Maybe those potential wolves show up as villagers when killed unless they are "activated". You can hypothesize all day long so in the end I think we just have to try to deal with it as a normal game.

[Ragone]

Originally Posted by Marc Vaughan

The problem I have is that not announcing information is actually preventing us from being able to work out whats going on.

For instance if we had a 'protector' sort of character power then I don't see why he'd keep quiet - you'd announce that pretty fast as it'd encourage anyone with 'seer' style powers (ie. ways to help detect wolves) to come out into the open .... giving us yet more information.

The only 'powered' person I remember us losing was the 'Seer' - which implies whatever other 'standard' powered people are out there? ... what powers are normally kicking about in a Werewolf game?

(I'm a normal vanilla tester myself)

Did we all start off 'normal' and get powers from the cubes? - is it possible that we all started 'normal' and wolves are being created from the cubes/pressing? ...

In a standard game of ww marc, a protector/bodyguard cannot protect the same person every night, thats why roled players can't reveal..

[Raiders Army]

Originally Posted by Ragone

Why? Because you too are a wolf and want the game to be over quickly?.. I'm noticing the wolf trends now... eliminate the good experienced villagers and leave some of the newer
Less expierenced till last as easy pickens.

I've been suspect of ra all along.. prove to me otherwise he's not a wolf.. or glados.

Day one you are the one who ties up the votes to make it a no-lynch
Day two you vote for me (arguably, only the wolves and I know I'm a villager)
Day three you vote for a villager
Day four you vote for a villager

Even not counting day two, your voting record is pretty poor. You asked and I told you my reasons for wanting to go in your direction. You can see why from my perspective, no?

[Raiders Army]

Originally Posted by Ragone

I agree with narcizo's analysis.. Bhlloy does look quite guilty.. late switchs.. granted we all have lynched our fair share of villagers at this point.

Marc Vaughn's and simbo's voting history is incomplete.. and that worries me. Mckerney is also starting to ping some worry in my mind.

Originally Posted by Ragone

raiders and packers have both been saved by some late switching if i recall correctly. I think you are on to something barkeep and i'll likely be going that way on monday

You also seem to switch your mind off mckerney, Marc Vaughn, and Simbo rather quickly.

[Raiders Army]

More complete quotes:

Originally Posted by Ragone

UNHAPPY

Happy List
Narcizo
Simbo
Barkeep49
Tyketime
Ge


If all of my people who i thought were wolves hunches have been bad... maybe its time to reevaluate my hunches

Originally Posted by Ragone

I agree with narcizo's analysis.. Bhlloy does look quite guilty.. late switchs.. granted we all have lynched our fair share of villagers at this point.

Marc Vaughn's and simbo's voting history is incomplete.. and that worries me. Mckerney is also starting to ping some worry in my mind.

Okay, why if Simbo's voting history worries you did you vote him 2nd as far as trust?

Originally Posted by Ragone

raiders and packers have both been saved by some late switching if i recall correctly. I think you are on to something barkeep and i'll likely be going that way on monday

Do I read this correctly that instead of going for the folks who were saved, you are going to go for the late switches? If so, you are somewhat consistent, but if not, you literally change your mind with the wind.

[Raiders Army]

Since I don't know what the test is, I'll refrain from voting until tomorrow. It'll probably be lunch from my phone. My availability will be quite limited due to work and a band boosters meeting tomorrow night.

[CrimsonFox]

Test 7:
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Normal vote testing resuming. Stop being happy. There is plenty of time for that later when the cake arrives and I find my Weighted Companion Cube. Seriously, where is it? I'm getting rather upset that it hasn't turned up yet.


>*CHIRP*<

[Raiders Army]

VOTE RAGONE

[Ragone]

Simbo's voting history is incomplete.. it worries me, but he seems to articulate his points well.. Where as i don't know who i can trust anymore.

Honestly though ra, its a product of this game, everything that seemingly makes sense, ends up not being the case. if we are all villagers.. in the end we all look foolish for basically chasing our own tail.

However, knowing what i know

Vote Raiders Army

[Ragone]

And lets be honest, if i was really a wolf, wouldn't my partner or partners as the case may be would be screaming at me to not post, think about it.

[Narcizo]

You guys realise that if you're both villagers then you'll be handing the game to the wolves, if there are 5 of them. Fair enough I don't think we can win if there are five wolves but I'd at least like to hit one wolf. You are both decently positioned in my trust list and I really think there are better options than either of you - although this tit-for-tat if not screams then at least says stridently wolf lashing back at attacker.

Just to be clear if there are 5 wolves then all but one of the villagers have to vote together. If there are 4 or less we have a bit more wriggle room but the room is running out whatever.

[britrock88]

I decided to pay attention to all the clip-art CF is posting in each test announcement. There's the voting box from the first test, the unvoting dude from the second, the button that came along later, cubes, down the line. Test 6, the happy test, was the first to have the blue square, and CF mentioned that the blue portal device was in play. I suppose that was bhlloy's secret voting power. This test now has an orange square, so be aware that there's a new variable.

[Narcizo]

That's the orange device thingy that someone, presumbaly, got yesterday - I guess.

[CrimsonFox]

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Official Tally:
Ragone - Raiders
Raiders - Ragone

[Narcizo]

I still feel there's something up with Packers, Bhlloy, Passa and Britrock. Of course, if there are 5 wolves in the game averages say that, yes, there's almost certainly at least one wolf in the group. I actually tried to work out the chances but then I got confused and gave up. The problem is that we don't have much evidence to go on and I'm pretty much an evidence kind of guy rather than intuition/gut-read/whatever you want to call it. Readíng the thread doesn't really help but I shall try again.

[CrimsonFox]

Deploying Globalthermonuclear Aperture Science Hypercolliding Superbutton

Please stand back

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And please don't go swimming for a good hour after looking at, pressing, or basking in the button.

>*CHIRP*<

[Narcizo]

Right read through one more time and I have actually managed to convinced myself that this is the right move

Vote Britrock

There's two or three main things - they're not fantastically damning but more than anything else I can find to be honest.

1) #478 Britrock really seemed to be prevaricating over voting for Raiders or Jackal. If they're both villagers then it's natural for a (beginner) wolf to be concerned of being seen as the one to hammer the nail in the coffin of someone. As soon as Bhlloy votes Jackal Britrock is happy to vote Raiders. If Raiders is a wolf then you could see Britrock waiting until it looks pretty safe and then getting in a vote on a wolf.

#576 There's actually two things with this post.

Originally Posted by britrock88

These are what I take to be the relevant votes thus far.

Day 1: The votes for Golden Eagle occur before the run of votes that put The Jackal in the lead. Pass (at #189) and Ragone (at #205 or so) tied it up -- again, I think that's a move that's helpful for the village, so I don't suspect anything. Also remember that The Jackal attempted to change his vote to GoldenEagle, but couldn't.

Day 2: The common votes for The Jackal are Hoops, GoldenEagle, Tyketime, and Raiders Army. Bhlloy also came in with the vote-deciding switcheroo at the last minute. If I had to bet, those are the five wolves, right there.

Now, I say all this because I've noticed two of those five (Tyketime and Bhlloy) go against me at this point in today's vote. Better to share this information (which is all I'm working from) now. If the wolves can convince the village to lynch a VV, it's great for them, as it gives them an opportunity to night-kill a roled villager. And by explaining fully now, there's no real reason for the wolves to come after me (the admitted self-interested part of this).

Since bhlloy only has my vote, I will throw my support behind one of the others I suspect. Barkeep has voted GoldenEagle and Autumn has voted RaidersArmy. Only because Autumn doesn't appear to want to consider Day 1 voting, I'll go with Barkeep's decision.

UNVOTE BHLLOY
VOTE GOLDENEAGLE

2) There's the five wolf reference. Britrock says he has read one game and in that there was a 1/4 division of wolves. Maybe so. Alternatively he was feeling some pressure from having two early votes on him and it just slipt out because he knew there are 5 wolves.
3) There's the very quick retraction of the Bhlloy vote. Since casting his vote on Bhlloy there had really been very little "movement" - only 8 people had voted. But Britrock doesn't want to leave his vote on Bhlloy. Maybe he was getting coached that he would be better off backing off of Bhlloy under the circumstances and using the newbie card to get rid of heat.

4) Last night Britrock has just survived due to shenanighans - he immediately attempts to resuscitate the "there's no wolves" theory. Seems like a classic way of trying to divert attention from what's been happening to something a lot safer from his point of view.

And to be frank that's about it. One thing that seems odd is that Bhlloy has voted twice for Britrock and then unvoted him so, apparently, doesn't trust him a huge deal and yet yesterday he was happier killing Julio then Britrock.

For what it's worth I think we need to arrive at two consensus candidates at this stage. Any more fragmentation will almost certainly allow the wolves to decide who gets it. So I'll consider moving my vote to Packer, Bhlloy and Passa if they are thought to be better candidates. If push comes to shove I'll vote for anyone but the four left on my trust list. Apart from barkeep who I'm not at all sure of anymore. So make that Raiders, Tyke and mckerney, who I won't vote for. Possibly.

God I've never been this far into a game without a clear idea of who I think is a wolf. Admittedly I'm normally wrong but at least I have the strength of my convictions. However misplaced they are.

[Ragone]

Ok Narcizo.. i agree with you.

unvote ra
Vote Britrock88

[CrimsonFox]

BEEP BOOP BOP


Official Tally:
Ragone - Raiders
Britrock - Narcizo Ragone

[tyketime]

Originally Posted by Marc Vaughan

Did we all start off 'normal' and get powers from the cubes? - is it possible that we all started 'normal' and wolves are being created from the cubes/pressing? ...

Marc - I guess I glanced over this the first time I read it, but very interesting. While I think there have been too many buttons to have a straight one-for-one conversion, perhaps some of the buttons have in fact activated/converted villagers in to wolves? Could certainly be a more reasonable explanation on why there have been few players willing to admit as much (bhlloy certainly gets props for admitting his button & reward).

[tyketime]

In looking over the trail Goldeneagle left for us, the last few pieces of key information were as follows:

1. His Happy List = Marc Vaughan, tyketime, Simbo, Narcizo, and Ragone

2. He mentioned being somewhat suspicious of bhlloy & Passacaglia

3. His last two votes (not counting Happy List) were:

• Day 3 on Packer until the end when he switched over to Darth to save himself
• Day 4 also a vote on Packer.

4. In the Autumn/Packer showdown, more known villagers appear to have voted Packer (including myself), and based on my Happy List - it seems like more of the wolves were focused on Autumn.

5. Just looking over some of the recent posts by Packer, I don't see a lot of helpful information. Seems a bit too much like flying under the radar.


VOTE PACKERFANATIC

[Simbo Klice]

Ugh, well getting this far into the game and still having no wolves lynched, pretty much every case getting made is at least decent. I'm leaning towards britrock, but even tyketime's case for PF is causing me to rethink my positions there.

I agree that we really need two candidates to emerge here though, can't believe I'm doing this because I was sure tyketime was scum earlier (before the Autumn mislynch), but GoldenEagle must have gotten killed for a reason and if it was votes that does point to one guy.

Vote PackerFanatic