The Trump Presidency – 2016

[BishopMVP]

Originally Posted by Kodos

To be honest, I don't think anyone is clamoring for Hillary to run again. Maybe not even her.

I do think a fresh face would be good. And let's have a new Speaker of the House if the democrats take control.

Ok, replace Hilllary in that list with Elizabeth Warren. I guess out of those, Biden at least has charisma, though I've always found his super cool guy personality kinda creepy, and (not that it matters after Trump) but the number of family scandals is a red flag to me.

Looking at the early lists of potential candidates the other one I instinctively dislike is Eric Holder.

[Thomkal]

So Andrew Miller, Roger Stone's aide who had been fighting Mueller's efforts to talk to a grand jury and might have tried to go all the way to the Supreme Court with it, and claims he knows nothing about Roger Stone's connections to Russia or Wiki Leaks, gave in today and accepted an immunity deal with Mueller. My guess is Roger Stone will be arrested in the next couple weeks.


Edit: There is some confusion over whether this has happened or not. CNN had a tweet that said he did and a link to a video. But the link is to a video they showed earlier today showing Miller's fight against Mueller, not about the immunity. And so far no one else is reporting it.

[BishopMVP]

But how will this effect him pitching down the stretch for the Indians?

[Thomkal]

Originally Posted by BishopMVP

But how will this effect him pitching down the stretch for the Indians?

Well if he does have immunity, I'm sure he'll still be able to pitch Though now it seems CNN has fixed its link, so he's back to being an idiot.

[JPhillips]

Trump colors an American flag.

[Thomkal]

Didn't want to bring negative politics into the McCain thread, so here's what President Trump tweeted:


Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump 56m56 minutes ago




My deepest sympathies and respect go out to the family of Senator John McCain. Our hearts and prayers are with you!

[digamma]

Cowboy up!

[JPhillips]

Schumer is going to push to rename the Russell building after McCain. Replacing a guy that blocked civil rights bills with McCain is a nice gesture. I can't imagine it won't go through.

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by Thomkal

Didn't want to bring negative politics into the McCain thread, so here's what President Trump tweeted:

Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump 56m56 minutes ago

My deepest sympathies and respect go out to the family of Senator John McCain. Our hearts and prayers are with you!

Nicely done.

Odds are he'll say something stupid about McCain soon.

[Marc Vaughan]

Originally Posted by Edward64

Nicely done.

Odds are he'll say something stupid about McCain soon.

That was undoubtedly his staff not Trump - far too coherent imho.

[Thomkal]

Originally Posted by Marc Vaughan

That was undoubtedly his staff not Trump - far too coherent imho.

Yep I agree, and still couldn't bring themselves to say anything about the man.

[Radii]

Alex Jones accidentally revealing himself to be a horrible fucking hypocrite and accidentally showing the world the trans porn that he watches is basically the funniest thing ever. You'll have to just google thing one

[Thomkal]

Republicans try to predict what will happen if the Dems flip the House in November. They expect them to launch investigations of Trump in nearly every committee. Here's what they think the Dems will do:


https://www.axios.com/2018-midterm-e...mpaign=organic

[Bee]

Originally Posted by Thomkal

Republicans try to predict what will happen if the Dems flip the House in November. They expect them to launch investigations of Trump in nearly every committee. Here's what they think the Dems will do:


https://www.axios.com/2018-midterm-e...mpaign=organic

That was an interesting partial list and I don't see anything on there that Republicans wouldn't have investigated in a Democrat administration. If the Dems win the house, Trump's lawyers are going to be busy.

[Thomkal]

Originally Posted by Bee

That was an interesting partial list and I don't see anything on there that Republicans wouldn't have investigated in a Democrat administration. If the Dems win the house, Trump's lawyers are going to be busy.

Maybe he will have no free time to Tweet with all those hearings he'll have to go to. Another reason to vote for the Dems

[Thomkal]

Originally Posted by Radii

Alex Jones accidentally revealing himself to be a horrible fucking hypocrite and accidentally showing the world the trans porn that he watches is basically the funniest thing ever. You'll have to just google thing one

Guess that tops the story they had where John Kerry somehow was able to divert a laser and split the Hawaii hurricane in two. Even Kerry went along with it to show just how ridiculous that whole show is. This doesn't mean I have to welcome Jones to the LGBT community now? God I hope not

[PilotMan]

Yet, vets that I am associated with, don't see this sort of thing as insulting and the whole anthem protest. How exactly?

Here, you have a guy, who was literally the poster child and rep for every POW of the Vietnam war, and he is treated like absolute shit by the president, and yet, is totes ok.

I just don't understand.

Trump rejected plans for a White House statement praising McCain - The Washington Post

[JPhillips]

I'm so old remember when the GOP said Obama destroyed the economy.

IMPORTANT: President Trump currently presides over the longest running bull market in modern financial history, and the longest streak of job growth ever.

— GOP (@GOP) August 24, 2018

[Thomkal]

Originally Posted by PilotMan

Yet, vets that I am associated with, don't see this sort of thing as insulting and the whole anthem protest. How exactly?

Here, you have a guy, who was literally the poster child and rep for every POW of the Vietnam war, and he is treated like absolute shit by the president, and yet, is totes ok.

I just don't understand.

Trump rejected plans for a White House statement praising McCain - The Washington Post

yeah I don't get it either. Add in another insult this morning-flags are supposed to stay at half-mast through any Congressmen's burial which is Sunday. They are back full this morning.

[bronconick]

Originally Posted by Thomkal

yeah I don't get it either. Add in another insult this morning-flags are supposed to stay at half-mast through any Congressmen's burial which is Sunday. They are back full this morning.

I almost expect him to put together a rally so he can have the tv on him rather than McCain during the funeral. What a petty fuck with nuclear launch codes

[PilotMan]

Originally Posted by Thomkal

yeah I don't get it either. Add in another insult this morning-flags are supposed to stay at half-mast through any Congressmen's burial which is Sunday. They are back full this morning.

Are you fucking kidding?

[Thomkal]

Originally Posted by bronconick

I almost expect him to put together a rally so he can have the tv on him rather than McCain during the funeral. What a petty fuck with nuclear launch codes

Would not shock me in the least.

[SackAttack]

Originally Posted by Bee

That was an interesting partial list and I don't see anything on there that Republicans wouldn't have investigated in a Democrat administration. If the Dems win the house, Trump's lawyers are going to be busy.

Shit, that's exactly what Republicans said they were GOING to do when it looked like she was going to win. I forget who, might have been Gowdy, but one of 'em said publicly that they had two years' worth of investigations lined up in the event that she won the Presidency.

Not saying the Democrats WON'T do the same, but until they win the House and unleash Committeepalooza, this is essentially Republican projection.

[jct32]

Originally Posted by Thomkal

yeah I don't get it either. Add in another insult this morning-flags are supposed to stay at half-mast through any Congressmen's burial which is Sunday. They are back full this morning.

They are saying the flag code says the day of death and day after for half staff following a senators death that is their justification. However, I agree with the sentiment here. It’s a trash move by a very petty man. There’s no reason to not keep them at half staff until after the funeral. McCain was an American hero.

[SackAttack]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

I'm so old remember when the GOP said Obama destroyed the economy.

IMPORTANT: President Trump currently presides over the longest running bull market in modern financial history, and the longest streak of job growth ever.

— GOP (@GOP) August 24, 2018

March 2009 and September 2010 are the start dates for those respective streaks. I wonder what they had in common?

[JPhillips]

Originally Posted by SackAttack

Shit, that's exactly what Republicans said they were GOING to do when it looked like she was going to win. I forget who, might have been Gowdy, but one of 'em said publicly that they had two years' worth of investigations lined up in the event that she won the Presidency.

Not saying the Democrats WON'T do the same, but until they win the House and unleash Committeepalooza, this is essentially Republican projection.

It's very telling looking at what they won't investigate themselves.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by PilotMan

Yet, vets that I am associated with, don't see this sort of thing as insulting and the whole anthem protest. How exactly?

Here, you have a guy, who was literally the poster child and rep for every POW of the Vietnam war, and he is treated like absolute shit by the president, and yet, is totes ok.

I just don't understand.

Trump rejected plans for a White House statement praising McCain - The Washington Post

The anthem stuff is people angry that black people are speaking up.

McCain is an enemy of the Republicans because he didn't go full white nationalist.

I think it's pretty simple.

[BYU 14]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

The anthem stuff is people angry that black people are speaking up.

McCain is an enemy of the Republicans because he didn't go full white nationalist.

I think it's pretty simple.

Check, check and check

[RainMaker]

https://politics.theonion.com/white-...-wh-1828630290

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by PilotMan

Yet, vets that I am associated with, don't see this sort of thing as insulting and the whole anthem protest. How exactly?

I'm reading this to say the vets you are associated with don't think the anthem protests are insulting.

Not the exact words but this survey shows 65% of veterans disagree/object to the protests.

https://iava.org/anthem/

[kingfc22]

So how long until the media realizes they've been duped again on this US/Mexico "deal"? Similarly to how they ate up the peace agreement with North Korea.

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by kingfc22

So how long until the media realizes they've been duped again on this US/Mexico "deal"? Similarly to how they ate up the peace agreement with North Korea.

I'm waiting for the details on what changed, the delta's from the orig NAFTA agreement.

[bronconick]

Following public and bipartisan bitching, the WH flag is back to half-mast

[Brian Swartz]

That's one of the parts I don't get. It absolutely was appropriate to lower it half-mast, but getting upset because it didn't stay there long enough? Really??

[PilotMan]

Originally Posted by Edward64

I'm reading this to say the vets you are associated with don't think the anthem protests are insulting.

Not the exact words but this survey shows 65% of veterans disagree/object to the protests.

https://iava.org/anthem/

typo, should have said, as the anthem protest. Meaning, the people I know, who are vets, and/or POW's don't bat an eye at the McCain stuff, but act like the protesters are in league with Satan and are ready to destroy the Constitution.

[bronconick]

Originally Posted by Brian Swartz

That's one of the parts I don't get. It absolutely was appropriate to lower it half-mast, but getting upset because it didn't stay there long enough? Really??

For Senators that die in office, it's supposed to stay at half until the internment.

[BYU 14]

Originally Posted by Brian Swartz

That's one of the parts I don't get. It absolutely was appropriate to lower it half-mast, but getting upset because it didn't stay there long enough? Really??

Originally Posted by bronconick

For Senators that die in office, it's supposed to stay at half until the internment.

The "minimum" requirement is 48 hours, however there has been a long standing tradition to keep at half mast until interment, not required, but accepted and followed by both Obama and Bush Jr.

I completely understand the outrage. Because, when combined with Trumps rather terse "tribute" which is not the one presented to him by staff it shows him as petty and vindictive. Which of course he is.

[PilotMan]

Originally Posted by Brian Swartz

That's one of the parts I don't get. It absolutely was appropriate to lower it half-mast, but getting upset because it didn't stay there long enough? Really??

When was the last time that a Congressman or Senator, died in office, and the President of the US, didn't say one positive thing about them? Let alone, a President who supposedly 'loves the great military and all the great and very good people in the military' yet, can't swallow his own pride for 5 minutes to honor a guy who legitimately withstood 5 years of imprisonment and lead and organized the prisoner resistance within Hanoi?


That sort of very obvious and public statement from the pos, shouldn't go unnoticed?


As I said earlier, the next time someone tells you that you have to respect the office, even if you don't respect the person in there, just remember that the guy in there right now, doesn't respect it either.

[Thomkal]

Originally Posted by Edward64

I'm waiting for the details on what changed, the delta's from the orig NAFTA agreement.

Nothing has changed except the name because he can't make the trade deal without Congress approval. Just the distraction for this week:


https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/27/polit...eal/index.html

[RainMaker]

Yeah there is no deal. Congress gets 90 days notice before they vote on changes. Mexico will have a new President by the end of the year. It was just a show to shift the news cycle from the McCain stuff to this.

The changes aren't dramatic from the looks of it. Auto manufacturers will be forced to make a slightly bigger portion of the vehicle in North America. They are also forcing them to pay $16 an hour to 45% of their workforce (it was 40%).

There are some favors thrown to the oil industry and telecom companies too I guess.

If Canada does come on board and they sign this before the new Mexico President takes office, it doesn't sound like it'll change a ton. Should be slightly better for auto workers and the steel industry although at the cost of higher prices for consumers. Kind of odd to see a Republican so far to the left on foreign trade.

[RainMaker]

Besides the white nationalist stuff, this also likely plays into Trump's dislike of McCain. Remember how hated the guy is in Russia.

'The Enemy Is Dead': Russia Reacts to U.S. Senator John McCain’s Passing

[Brian Swartz]

Originally Posted by PilotMan

When was the last time that a Congressman or Senator, died in office, and the President of the US, didn't say one positive thing about them?

I totally agree with this and didn't comment on that aspect of things at all. As far as the respect for the office thing goes, I couldn't disagree with you more there. Trump being a jerk shouldn't change the way we treat our institutions. If it does, then all we're doing is giving him even more power, demeaning ourselves in response to his incompetence/demagoguery/fill in the blank with your favorite description here. That's the exact opposite of what an appropriate response is IMO(appropriate being impeach him yesterday and work all that much harder to ensure this chapter isn't repeated, not 'hey let's all follow his example of incivility now').

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by PilotMan

typo, should have said, as the anthem protest. Meaning, the people I know, who are vets, and/or POW's don't bat an eye at the McCain stuff, but act like the protesters are in league with Satan and are ready to destroy the Constitution.

Because none of this has anything to do with the flag, anthem, or troops.

[JPhillips]

The dignity wraith strikes again.

Sen. James Inhofe told reporters that Sen. John McCain was “partially to blame” for the controversy over the lowering of the White House flag. Inhofe said McCain "disagreed with the president in certain areas and wasn’t too courteous about it."

[Thomkal]

I guess all those years in prison wasn't looking too good for Paul Manafort:


https://www.wsj.com/articles/manafor...d/accounts-wsj

[Thomkal]

So the FBI needed to move out of an aging Hoover building, and had announced three finalists (MD and VA) about a year ago. Then Trump took an interest, and scrapped those plans. Why? Nothing to do with saving money but probably a lot to do with Trump Hotel in DC:


Trump intervenes in FBI headquarters project - The Washington Post

[Marc Vaughan]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

...with considerable baggage and a target on her back...

Whomever runs as a Democrat will be demonstrated to have 'baggage' and a 'target' on their back ... if you doubt this think about Obama who was clean but then suddenly wasn't an American at all .... cue the incredibly obviously fake 'birther' controversy and claims that he was going to take away everyones guns ...

[Butter]

Originally Posted by bronconick

For Senators that die in office, it's supposed to stay at half until the internment.

Shit, McCain got it in life AND death. Rough deal.

[JPhillips]

I should never overestimate the GOP. It appears that they are slowing the process of renaming the Russell building after McCain. McConnell is forming a study group.

Georgia’s GOP Sen. David Perdue, whose own office was formerly used by Russell, said he’s unsure if residents back home would accept a name change for the building.

“This is Washington. There’s going to be 50 percent for something and 50 percent against something,” Perdue said Tuesday.

The Senate should spend time finding “the right way” to memorialize McCain’s service, Perdue said. “To knee jerk, to do anything — any suggestion — right now is premature,” he said.

[albionmoonlight]

Apparently Russell was a segregationist who helped lead a boycott of the DNC after LBJ signed the Civil Rights Act.

So we've come to the point of the GOP working to keep a building named after a racist Democrat instead of a war hero Republican.