The Trump Presidency – 2016 - Page 240

Atocep · 08-23-2018, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by AlexB

I find it amazing that people deny things like the proven narrative here:
There were no hush payments
There were hush payments but I didn’t know about them
I did know about the payments, but they weren’t my money
I paid hush money

Whether you think it’s important or not is personal opinion, but it seems like people are denying the previous stages ever happened - that’s the scariest part to me, people are completely brainwashed.

You have a significant portion of a party's base that lives in fear. Fear of illegal immigrants, fear of their guns being taken, fear of homosexuals, fear of Muslims. You have party leaders that either live with the same fears or do their best to stoke those fears. I strongly believe this is largely why Trump's base will not abandon him. Their fear outweighs how much they care about any crimes he may have committed.

RainMaker · 08-23-2018, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Warhammer

All that said, if the Democrats run a center left candidate, they will win in a landslide. The problem is, they will run someone just to the right of Bernie which will make it an actual race.

They ran a center-left candidate against Trump and lost.

Ksyrup · 08-23-2018, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker

They ran a center-left candidate against Trump and lost.

...with considerable baggage and a target on her back...

Thomkal · 08-23-2018, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Thomkal

David Pecker, publisher of the Enquirer was subpoened and admitted that Cohen paid hush money to the two women on Trump's behalf, and Trump knew about it.

Pecker has Immunity now, which is probably part of the reason Trump was up to 1 am this morning tweeting.

RainMaker · 08-23-2018, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Thomkal

Pecker has Immunity now, which is probably part of the reason Trump was up to 1 am this morning tweeting.

Curious as to why Pecker would need immunity. What crime could he have broken?

Thomkal · 08-23-2018, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker

Curious as to why Pecker would need immunity. What crime could he have broken?

Helping Trump covering up the women's stories by buying their silence?

Thomkal · 08-23-2018, 12:51 PM

Chief Content Officer at the Enquirer Dylan Howard also granted immunity.

RainMaker · 08-23-2018, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Thomkal

Helping Trump covering up the women's stories by buying their silence?

Is that a crime to take money to not report a story?

RainMaker · 08-23-2018, 12:59 PM

I guess maybe it's that he provided some value to Trump during his campaign which would need to be reported. So it would count as an illegal campaign contribution. Just a thought.

JPhillips · 08-23-2018, 01:14 PM

It's a crime to be involved in a conspiracy to break campaign finance laws.

JPhillips · 08-23-2018, 01:21 PM

dola

GOPers start to lay the groundwork for firing Sessions:

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“The president’s entitled to an attorney general he has faith in, somebody that’s qualified for the job, and I think there will come a time, sooner rather than later, where it will be time to have a new face and a fresh voice at the Department of Justice,” Graham said. “Clearly, Attorney General Sessions doesn’t have the confidence of the president.”

RainMaker · 08-23-2018, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by stevew

https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/22/polit...ted/index.html

Just some amazing things in this Duncan Hunter indictment.

"I need shorts"
"Just buy them at a golf pro shop and will say it was golf balls that we bought to give to Wounded Warriors"

$1500 on Steam games! Who has the time to play that much? Also wait for the sales!

Rep. Duncan Hunter spent over $1,500 of campaign funds on @steam_games according to a copy of the indictment. pic.twitter.com/DJsthprm8w
— Jeff Landa (@JeffLanda) August 21, 2018

BYU 14 · 08-23-2018, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by JPhillips

dola

GOPers start to lay the groundwork for firing Sessions:

Waiting until after mid terms because they know that doing so prior will ensure a flip in both house and senate, which is likely anyway. Graham is such a fucking lap dog.

digamma · 08-23-2018, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Thomkal

Pecker has Immunity now, which is probably part of the reason Trump was up to 1 am this morning tweeting.

***modified from Twitter*** A lot of people have been wondering about his possible fiip. Would he? Would Pecker?

Warhammer · 08-23-2018, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker

They ran a center-left candidate against Trump and lost.

Clinton wasn't running as center left. She tacked hard to the left during the primaries. I am not sure what she was doing during the actual campaign.

JPhillips · 08-23-2018, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker

$1500 on Steam games! Who has the time to play that much? Also wait for the sales!

Rep. Duncan Hunter spent over $1,500 of campaign funds on @steam_games according to a copy of the indictment. pic.twitter.com/DJsthprm8w
— Jeff Landa (@JeffLanda) August 21, 2018

If it's not your money why delay the gratification?

Ksyrup · 08-23-2018, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by digamma

***modified from Twitter*** A lot of people have been wondering about his possible fiip. Would he? Would Pecker?

Also from Twitter:

"Feds Use Pecker to Probe Trump"

JPhillips · 08-23-2018, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Warhammer

Clinton wasn't running as center left. She tacked hard to the left during the primaries. I am not sure what she was doing during the actual campaign.

My point exactly.

It doesn't matter who the Dems nominate, they will by default be far left.

JPhillips · 08-23-2018, 03:00 PM

dola

This is totally fine.

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WASHINGTON — A bill that would have significantly bolstered the nation’s defenses against electoral interference has been held up in the Senate at the behest of the White House, which opposed the proposed legislation, according to congressional sources.

The Secure Elections Act, introduced by Sen. James Lankford, R-Okla., in December 2017, had co-sponsorship from two of the Senate’s most prominent liberals, Kamala Harris, D-Calif., and Amy Klobuchar, D-Minn., as well as from conservative stalwart Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., and consummate centrist Susan Collins, R-Me.

Thomkal · 08-23-2018, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by digamma

***modified from Twitter*** A lot of people have been wondering about his possible fiip. Would he? Would Pecker?

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018...-michael-cohen

Article about why they flipped-Pecker hasn't spoken to Trump in about 8 months, and the other guy is mad at him too.

Thomkal · 08-23-2018, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by BYU 14

Waiting until after mid terms because they know that doing so prior will ensure a flip in both house and senate, which is likely anyway. Graham is such a fucking lap dog.

Can't wait until reporters find out why Graham has flipped so much on Trump. John McCain would not be happy with him right now.

RainMaker · 08-23-2018, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Warhammer

Clinton wasn't running as center left. She tacked hard to the left during the primaries. I am not sure what she was doing during the actual campaign.

What was "hard to the left" about her campaign?

CrimsonFox · 08-23-2018, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker

$1500 on Steam games! Who has the time to play that much? Also wait for the sales!

Rep. Duncan Hunter spent over $1,500 of campaign funds on @steam_games according to a copy of the indictment. pic.twitter.com/DJsthprm8w
— Jeff Landa (@JeffLanda) August 21, 2018

is he on this site?
I still don't think he has more than mckerney

RainMaker · 08-23-2018, 03:37 PM

I mean Hillary campaigned to the right of Trump on foreign policy, trade, budget, and military. Almost all her positions were moderate with maybe a twinge to the left.

NobodyHere · 08-23-2018, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker

I mean Hillary campaigned to the right of Trump on foreign policy, trade, budget, and military. Almost all her positions were moderate with maybe a twinge to the left.

Does that include campaigning for $15/hr minimum wage? Free tuition for public colleges? Keeping the Iran deal? Supporting Unions? Taxing the rich? Supporting AWB?

Her positions were often in the left column even if they weren't far left.

RainMaker · 08-23-2018, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by NobodyHere

Does that include campaigning for $15/hr minimum wage? Free tuition for public colleges? Keeping the Iran deal? Supporting Unions? Taxing the rich? Supporting AWB?

Her positions were often in the left column even if they weren't far left.

I don't think those positions are far left by global standards. It's pretty center-left to me. When you mix that in with the other positions I mentioned that were on the right, she's a moderate.

I know there's some revisionist history that goes on during elections to paint a candidate to one extreme or the other, but she was one of the most (if not the most) conservative Democrat Senators during her time. Her run as SoS carried on most of the same policies the Bush Administration started.

She is and always was a moderate Democrat.

Should also add that she wasn't calling for a $15/hour minimum wage. She called for it to be $12/hour. She said she supported those people who were fighting for $15 in certain cities but that wasn't her policy position. It was one of the biggest moments of the primary debates.

NobodyHere · 08-23-2018, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker

Should also add that she wasn't calling for a $15/hour minimum wage. She called for it to be $12/hour. She said she supported those people who were fighting for $15 in certain cities but that wasn't her policy position. It was one of the biggest moments of the primary debates.

From Labor and workers' rights - The Office of Hillary Rodham Clinton

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Raise the minimum wage and strengthen overtime rules. No one working full time should be forced to raise their child in poverty. Hillary believes the minimum wage should be a living wage, and she will work to get to a $15 minimum wage over time, with appropriate variations for regions with a higher cost of living. She’s been a strong supporter of the “Fight for $15,” and she also supports the Obama administration’s expansion of overtime rules to millions more workers.

ETA: Yeah I know I'm splittin hairs here, but Hillary was definitely on the left and not center-left.

mauchow · 08-23-2018, 04:53 PM

So this lone juror was a die hard Trump fan? That's rich.

RainMaker · 08-23-2018, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by NobodyHere

From Labor and workers' rights - The Office of Hillary Rodham Clinton

ETA: Yeah I know I'm splittin hairs here, but Hillary was definitely on the left and not center-left.

The key word is "over time". She added that to appease the Bernie supporters. Her proposal was to get it to $12/hour. She wrote a piece on it during the campaign.

Organizing to raise wages â€“ Hillary for America â€“ Medium

stevew · 08-23-2018, 05:32 PM

The whole point of pushing for a $15 minimum wage is that you are willing to settle for like 10-12$. I think the federal minimum wage is still under $8. You always aim higher then what you are willing to settle for.

That being said I fully acknowledge that a lot of people are way overpaid making minimum wage

Atocep · 08-23-2018, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by stevew

That being said I fully acknowledge that a lot of people are way overpaid making minimum wage

Bullshit. The point of raising minimum wage is to get those that are under the poverty line and working up to a acceptable standard of living while also driving middle class wages up.

If middle class wages were rising $12 or even $15 per hour wouldn't seem so ridiculous. Saying anyone making minimum wage is overpaid when we have people in our society making millions doing nothing but having other people move their money around is absurd.

cuervo72 · 08-23-2018, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker

$1500 on Steam games! Who has the time to play that much? Also wait for the sales!

ping: Critch

cuervo72 · 08-23-2018, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by digamma

***modified from Twitter*** A lot of people have been wondering about his possible fiip. Would he? Would Pecker?

Ha ha ha HA ha!

Thomkal · 08-23-2018, 10:12 PM

In addition to the Enquirer flipping on Trump, there's this gem:

Ken Thomas‏Verified account @KThomasDC 5h5 hours ago

NEW YORK (AP) — The National Enquirer kept a safe containing documents on hush money payments and other damaging stories it killed as part of its cozy relationship with Donald Trump leading up to 2016 presidential election, people familiar with the arrangement told The AP.

mckerney · 08-23-2018, 10:40 PM

BishopMVP · 08-23-2018, 11:05 PM

Hillary didn't lose because of her positions, she list because of her personality. Nominate someone younger & more charismatic, it's not rocket science... but yet we still hear about HRC, Kerry, Bernie & Joe Biden.

PilotMan · 08-24-2018, 05:53 AM

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Originally Posted by BishopMVP

Hillary didn't lose because of her positions, she list because of her personality. Nominate someone younger & more charismatic, it's not rocket science... but yet we still hear about HRC, Kerry, Bernie & Joe Biden.

It's a big part of it. They need a new standard of leadership. This going back to the well of retreads it bullshit.

Edward64 · 08-24-2018, 06:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Thomkal

In addition to the Enquirer flipping on Trump, there's this gem:

Ken Thomas‏Verified account @KThomasDC 5h5 hours ago

NEW YORK (AP) — The National Enquirer kept a safe containing documents on hush money payments and other damaging stories it killed as part of its cozy relationship with Donald Trump leading up to 2016 presidential election, people familiar with the arrangement told The AP.

Oh fun!

Still (probably) not impeachable offenses but looking forward to hearing about the salacious details.

Ksyrup · 08-24-2018, 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by PilotMan

It's a big part of it. They need a new standard of leadership. This going back to the well of retreads it bullshit.

Political nominations have a lot in common with hiring of professional sports managers/coaches.

PilotMan · 08-24-2018, 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Thomkal

In addition to the Enquirer flipping on Trump, there's this gem:

Ken Thomas‏Verified account @KThomasDC 5h5 hours ago

NEW YORK (AP) — The National Enquirer kept a safe containing documents on hush money payments and other damaging stories it killed as part of its cozy relationship with Donald Trump leading up to 2016 presidential election, people familiar with the arrangement told The AP.

I think you're seeing the information (the real backbone of Mueller's probe and raid on Cohen's office) starting to flow out, and like a ship taking on water, there are some who are getting out now, while the getting is good. It may not sink, but they are guaranteed to make it if they leave now.

Kodos · 08-24-2018, 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by BishopMVP

Hillary didn't lose because of her positions, she list because of her personality. Nominate someone younger & more charismatic, it's not rocket science... but yet we still hear about HRC, Kerry, Bernie & Joe Biden.

To be honest, I don't think anyone is clamoring for Hillary to run again. Maybe not even her.

I do think a fresh face would be good. And let's have a new Speaker of the House if the democrats take control.

PilotMan · 08-24-2018, 08:27 AM

trump straight out calls on the head of the Department of Justice, to openly investigate political foes, and calls each of them out by name. The funny thing is that it almost sounds like begging.

Who was the last president to brazenly, openly, call for Justice to be used to go after people who disagreed with the president. Is this how the government was intended to be run? Is the Justice Department now just the 'capo' of the Don?

whomario · 08-24-2018, 09:11 AM

Talking about unprecedented:

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...rmers-violence

mckerney · 08-24-2018, 10:05 AM

Longtime Trump Organization CFO Weisselberg granted immunity in Cohen probe

cartman · 08-24-2018, 10:05 AM

The CFO of the Trump Organization has been granted immunity.

Thomkal · 08-24-2018, 10:09 AM

Pretty soon they will only have Trump and his family left to give immunity to

Thomkal · 08-24-2018, 10:16 AM

Looks like the end for John McCain might be sooner rather than later now:

http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/4...ncer-treatment

Kodos · 08-24-2018, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Thomkal

Pretty soon they will only have Trump and his family left to give immunity to

I don't think any family members are ever getting any immunity.

Kodos · 08-24-2018, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Thomkal

Looks like the end for John McCain might be sooner rather than later now:

http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/4...ncer-treatment

A true patriot, even if I frequently disagree with him.

mckerney · 08-24-2018, 12:55 PM

BREAKING: President Trump tweets that he has asked Sec. Pompeo to not go on his planned next trip to North Korea "because I feel we are not making sufficient progress with respect to the denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula." https://t.co/kdrUxk2XiK
— NBC News (@NBCNews) August 24, 2018

While this may not sound great, I'm not exactly sure why we'd need to make progress on a situation Trump had already solved.

08-23-2018, 12:51 PM	#11957
Thomkal Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Surfside Beach,SC USA	Chief Content Officer at the Enquirer Dylan Howard also granted immunity. __________________ Coastal Carolina Baseball-2016 National Champion! 10/17/20-Coastal Football ranked in Top 25 for first time!

08-23-2018, 01:14 PM	#11960
JPhillips Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Newburgh, NY	It's a crime to be involved in a conspiracy to break campaign finance laws. __________________ To love someone is to strive to accept that person exactly the way he or she is, right here and now.. - Mr. Rogers

08-23-2018, 04:53 PM	#11978
mauchow Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Murfreesboro, TN	So this lone juror was a die hard Trump fan? That's rich. Last edited by mauchow : 08-23-2018 at 04:54 PM.

08-23-2018, 05:32 PM	#11980
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	The whole point of pushing for a $15 minimum wage is that you are willing to settle for like 10-12$. I think the federal minimum wage is still under $8. You always aim higher then what you are willing to settle for. That being said I fully acknowledge that a lot of people are way overpaid making minimum wage Last edited by stevew : 08-23-2018 at 05:34 PM.

08-23-2018, 10:12 PM	#11984
Thomkal Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Surfside Beach,SC USA	In addition to the Enquirer flipping on Trump, there's this gem: Ken Thomas‏Verified account @KThomasDC 5h5 hours ago NEW YORK (AP) — The National Enquirer kept a safe containing documents on hush money payments and other damaging stories it killed as part of its cozy relationship with Donald Trump leading up to 2016 presidential election, people familiar with the arrangement told The AP. __________________ Coastal Carolina Baseball-2016 National Champion! 10/17/20-Coastal Football ranked in Top 25 for first time!

08-23-2018, 12:59 PM	#11959
RainMaker Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Chicago, IL	I guess maybe it's that he provided some value to Trump during his campaign which would need to be reported. So it would count as an illegal campaign contribution. Just a thought.

08-23-2018, 03:37 PM	#11974
RainMaker Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Chicago, IL	I mean Hillary campaigned to the right of Trump on foreign policy, trade, budget, and military. Almost all her positions were moderate with maybe a twinge to the left.

08-23-2018, 10:40 PM	#11985
mckerney Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000

08-23-2018, 11:05 PM	#11986
BishopMVP Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Concord, MA/UMass	Hillary didn't lose because of her positions, she list because of her personality. Nominate someone younger & more charismatic, it's not rocket science... but yet we still hear about HRC, Kerry, Bernie & Joe Biden.

08-24-2018, 08:27 AM	#11992
PilotMan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Seven miles up	trump straight out calls on the head of the Department of Justice, to openly investigate political foes, and calls each of them out by name. The funny thing is that it almost sounds like begging. Who was the last president to brazenly, openly, call for Justice to be used to go after people who disagreed with the president. Is this how the government was intended to be run? Is the Justice Department now just the 'capo' of the Don? __________________ He's just like if Snow White was competitive, horny, and capable of beating the shit out of anyone that called her Pops. Like Steam? Join the FOFC Steam group here: http://steamcommunity.com/groups/FOFConSteam Last edited by PilotMan : 08-24-2018 at 08:28 AM.

08-24-2018, 09:11 AM	#11993
whomario Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2007	Talking about unprecedented: https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...rmers-violence __________________ “The only people for me are the mad ones, the ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn, like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars and in the middle you see the blue centerlight pop and everybody goes "Awww!”

08-24-2018, 10:05 AM	#11994
mckerney Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	Longtime Trump Organization CFO Weisselberg granted immunity in Cohen probe Last edited by mckerney : 08-24-2018 at 10:07 AM.

08-24-2018, 10:05 AM	#11995
cartman Death Herald Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Le stelle la notte sono grandi e luminose nel cuore profondo del Texas	The CFO of the Trump Organization has been granted immunity. __________________ Thinkin' of a master plan 'Cuz ain't nuthin' but sweat inside my hand So I dig into my pocket, all my money is spent So I dig deeper but still comin' up with lint

08-24-2018, 10:09 AM	#11996
Thomkal Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Surfside Beach,SC USA	Pretty soon they will only have Trump and his family left to give immunity to __________________ Coastal Carolina Baseball-2016 National Champion! 10/17/20-Coastal Football ranked in Top 25 for first time!

08-24-2018, 10:16 AM	#11997
Thomkal Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Surfside Beach,SC USA	Looks like the end for John McCain might be sooner rather than later now: http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/4...ncer-treatment __________________ Coastal Carolina Baseball-2016 National Champion! 10/17/20-Coastal Football ranked in Top 25 for first time!

08-24-2018, 12:55 PM	#12000
mckerney Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	BREAKING: President Trump tweets that he has asked Sec. Pompeo to not go on his planned next trip to North Korea "because I feel we are not making sufficient progress with respect to the denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula." https://t.co/kdrUxk2XiK — NBC News (@NBCNews) August 24, 2018 While this may not sound great, I'm not exactly sure why we'd need to make progress on a situation Trump had already solved.

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