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Telle · 07-20-2007, 09:59 AM

Well when Lathum came in and confirmed St. Cronin's story that pretty much pulled the fuel out of my fire.. I figured that theoretically they could both be replicants, but I found it unlikely. And St Cronin's death confirms that my thoery was wrong.. and that sucks on a personal level because I don't like being wrong and now feel that I made a fool out of myself. But at least now I know that I can trust Lathum, so that's something.

Swaggs · 07-20-2007, 10:04 AM

I have my reasons. I'm sure none of them will interest any of you.

Vote Alan twothree

Barkeep49 · 07-20-2007, 10:05 AM

I saw someone kill cronin, but after some gun fire this person got away.

Swaggs · 07-20-2007, 10:05 AM

whoops.... the mysterious Alan twothree was not who I intended to vote for.

Unvote Alan twothree

Vote twothree

path12 · 07-20-2007, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

I saw someone kill cronin, but after some gun fire this person got away.

Huh? Where were you? Can you elaborate?

path12 · 07-20-2007, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Swaggs

whoops.... the mysterious Alan twothree was not who I intended to vote for.

Unvote Alan twothree

Vote twothree

I was wondering about that.....

Telle · 07-20-2007, 10:06 AM

Why wouldn't your reasons interest us? Please share.

Barkeep49 · 07-20-2007, 10:07 AM

To expand: Cronin came last night to test me. I, of course, gladly submitted. After cronin tested me, he was attacked and shot by someone outside my apartment. I attempted to get this person, but he/she got away. That's all I know. Very frustrating.

Telle · 07-20-2007, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

I saw someone kill cronin, but after some gun fire this person got away.

I take it since you didn't name names then you don't know who it was?

Telle · 07-20-2007, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

To expand: Cronin came last night to test me. I, of course, gladly submitted. After cronin tested me, he was attacked and shot by someone outside my apartment. I attempted to get this person, but he/she got away. That's all I know. Very frustrating.

FUCK! When he was killed this morning I was worried that maybe the differences yesterday that I picked up on weren't because he was a replicant but were instead because he was a Bladerunner. Lathum, did St. Cronin scan you??

Barkeep49 · 07-20-2007, 10:12 AM

I do not know who it was that attacked cronin.

Swaggs · 07-20-2007, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

To expand: Cronin came last night to test me. I, of course, gladly submitted. After cronin tested me, he was attacked and shot by someone outside my apartment. I attempted to get this person, but he/she got away. That's all I know. Very frustrating.

Well, that actually changes things for me. I still believe AE was a replicant and I didn't really buy both of Telle's and st.cronin's reveals (although, I admit Telle's apparent enthusiasm in breaking things open had me trusing her more). But, it makes sense, with the way he was playing, that st.cronin was one of the Blade Runners.

This makes me believe that either Lathum or Telle were not telling the truth about what they learned, and I think it was probably Lathum, with st.cronin, in a roundabout way, trying to clear Telle without giving himself up, since he was so insistent on trusting her and building a CoT from her.

This is also lends support to my idea from yesterday, where the Blade Runners should reveal themselves and establish a CoT at some point (sooner, rather than later) and allow the bodyguards to protect them for an additional night, so we can build a CoT. As of now, we lost a three person CoT w/ the death of st.cronin (st.cronin + the two he could have cleared).

Alan T · 07-20-2007, 10:16 AM

Has anyone else gotten a message like Telle when scanned?

Telle · 07-20-2007, 10:21 AM

But as soon as a Bladerunner identifies himself, he's dead that night guaranteed.

twothree · 07-20-2007, 10:21 AM

I was not scanned last night.

Swaggs · 07-20-2007, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Telle

But as soon as a Bladerunner identifies himself, he's dead that night guaranteed.

He gets one night protection from the bodyguard and then is gone.

Correct.

path12 · 07-20-2007, 10:23 AM

Can anyone confirm that Cronin scanned them?

Telle · 07-20-2007, 10:23 AM

If the bodyguard's not dead or on Mars yet.

Barkeep49 · 07-20-2007, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Alan T

Has anyone else gotten a message like Telle when scanned?

The part of my message dealing with the test nearly matches up to Telle's. Seems to me that Telle was doing a smart play by pretending cronin was bad to protect cronin after cronin scanned her.

Barkeep49 · 07-20-2007, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Telle

But as soon as a Bladerunner identifies himself, he's dead that night guaranteed.

That's why I respect the way cronin did his reveal. Made him seem less threatening while still allowing for a COT. Nice play by him.

Telle · 07-20-2007, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

The part of my message dealing with the test nearly matches up to Telle's. Seems to me that Telle was doing a smart play by pretending cronin was bad to protect cronin after cronin scanned her.

No it wasn't cronin who scanned me. I honestly thought he was a replicant since his story didn't match up with my experience.

Swaggs · 07-20-2007, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Telle

If the bodyguard's not dead or on Mars yet.

Gives the wolves something to think about, no?

They can either assume the bodyguard is dead (I'm pretty sure that he is not) or risk being IDed while going after the Blade Runner.

Swaggs · 07-20-2007, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

That's why I respect the way cronin did his reveal. Made him seem less threatening while still allowing for a COT. Nice play by him.

Actually, didn't cronin say he trusted Telle and Lathum yesterday (at some point)?

Jonathan Ezarik · 07-20-2007, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Telle

Well when Lathum came in and confirmed St. Cronin's story that pretty much pulled the fuel out of my fire.. I figured that theoretically they could both be replicants, but I found it unlikely. And St Cronin's death confirms that my thoery was wrong.. and that sucks on a personal level because I don't like being wrong and now feel that I made a fool out of myself. But at least now I know that I can trust Lathum, so that's something.

I'm on the exact opposite side of the fence regarding Lathum. Cronin was a Blade Runner, so how does he know what kind of info is given out when he scans someone? Would he know that the person learns his identity (assuming he was Holden)? I don't think so. Therefore, when Lathum came out saying he received the same info as cronin and then cronin turns up dead the next day, that raises some concerns.

It also looks to me that when Lathum came out with his info yesterday, he was trying to deflect some attention from the AE/Swaggs vote. At the time the vote was tied (or close to it), but he put his vote on you and left it there. That's a throwaway vote if I've ever seen one.

Barkeep49 · 07-20-2007, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Swaggs

Actually, didn't cronin say he trusted Telle and Lathum yesterday (at some point)?

I know he said it about Telle. Not sure about Lathum.

Jonathan Ezarik · 07-20-2007, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by tanglewood

More grim news it seems. This morning st.cronin was found in an absolutely brutal condition on the street by an abandoned apartment complex. The replicants continue their wave of murder.

Maybe I'm reading too much into this, but this sounds like the work of Leon. Is it possible that cronin was Holden, scanned Leon last night, but since he was the weaker Runner was unable to kill him and died instead?

LoneStarGirl · 07-20-2007, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Telle

Well when Lathum came in and confirmed St. Cronin's story that pretty much pulled the fuel out of my fire.. I figured that theoretically they could both be replicants, but I found it unlikely. And St Cronin's death confirms that my thoery was wrong.. and that sucks on a personal level because I don't like being wrong and now feel that I made a fool out of myself. But at least now I know that I can trust Lathum, so that's something.

Being the devil's advocate, which I am a lot lately towards lathum, couldn't lathum had made that story up and then killed cronin tonight in order to get us all to believe him?

LoneStarGirl · 07-20-2007, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Jonathan Ezarik

Maybe I'm reading too much into this, but this sounds like the work of Leon. Is it possible that cronin was Holden, scanned Leon last night, but since he was the weaker Runner was unable to kill him and died instead?

then leon would be barkeep

Jonathan Ezarik · 07-20-2007, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by LoneStarGirl

then leon would be barkeep

Yep. I'm also confused by what Barkeep said happened after cronin left. He says he was shot, but tangle's description makes it sound much more violent than that.

LoneStarGirl · 07-20-2007, 10:36 AM

I have got to go to an Algebra camp for a couple hours then I have class 1-5... I will try to get on in between and vote

LoneStarGirl · 07-20-2007, 10:37 AM

Jonathan, Barkeep is a good enough player that he might try to pull something like that... I like your line of thinking

LoneStarGirl · 07-20-2007, 10:38 AM

If nobody else got scanned last night then I might possibly vote Barkeep after we see him try to defend himself later on today.

RendeR · 07-20-2007, 10:39 AM

Barkeep's story doesn't jive with the results of the kill last night.

VOTE BARKEEP

path12 · 07-20-2007, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Jonathan Ezarik

Yep. I'm also confused by what Barkeep said happened after cronin left. He says he was shot, but tangle's description makes it sound much more violent than that.

But if Barkeep is Leon and Cronin is dead anyway, why would he even mention being scanned?

Barkeep49 · 07-20-2007, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by LoneStarGirl

If nobody else got scanned last night then I might possibly vote Barkeep after we see him try to defend himself later on today.

How am I supposed to defend myself? I am especially confused since I'm telling you that I was scanned.

Jonathan Ezarik · 07-20-2007, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by path12

But if Barkeep is Leon and Cronin is dead anyway, why would he even mention being scanned?

Why not? Cronin isn't around to give us the results of the scan, so we have to take Barkeep's word that he was scanned and was a human. Now he can float through the rest of the game without anyone questioning him.

Barkeep49 · 07-20-2007, 10:42 AM

The role writeup for Leon doesn't match what happened for last night either:
"If he is terminated violently he will kill his attacker also."

So if I was also dead and cronin was dead then it would make sense that I was Leon. But there seems to be nothing in the role suggesting Leon could kill a Bladerunner without also dying.

Barkeep49 · 07-20-2007, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Jonathan Ezarik

Why not? Cronin isn't around to give us the results of the scan, so we have to take Barkeep's word that he was scanned and was a human. Now he can float through the rest of the game without anyone questioning him.

I of course expected to be questioned. But I believed it in the best interest of the village for me to come out with the info I learned. I'm happy for the other Bladerunner to visit me tonight.

Swaggs · 07-20-2007, 10:44 AM

Is it possible that the shot was from st.cronin, in defense, and then the replicant whipped his ass?

twothree · 07-20-2007, 10:45 AM

vote Barkeep49

Jonathan Ezarik · 07-20-2007, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

The role writeup for Leon doesn't match what happened for last night either:
"If he is terminated violently he will kill his attacker also."

So if I was also dead and cronin was dead then it would make sense that I was Leon. But there seems to be nothing in the role suggesting Leon could kill a Bladerunner without also dying.

Ok, so you're not necessarily Leon. It doesn't mean you're not Priss or Roy. Especially since I think if the Runners find a replicant during their scan they try to kill them. If cronin was Holden, he might have failed in his attempt to kill you and died instead.

Alan T · 07-20-2007, 10:46 AM

So

Barkeep + Telle is either good or bad
Lathum's message is different from Telle + Barkeep's.
Telle states it was not cronin who scanned her, which means if we believe Telle + Barkeep then both Bladerunners give the same message

So I have 10 min till I have to leave, I dont think I will be voting for barkeep, doubt I will vote for telle,

The people I think I wouldn't mind voting for right now are:

Swaggs, Lathum, Lonestargirl.

I have to make my decision in 15 min and wont be able to change it as I will be gone for the day

Barkeep49 · 07-20-2007, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Jonathan Ezarik

Especially since I think if the Runners find a replicant during their scan they try to kill them.

Why do you think that?

Jonathan Ezarik · 07-20-2007, 10:47 AM

Barkeep, do you know if cronin was Holden?

Jonathan Ezarik · 07-20-2007, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Why do you think that?

Fits with the movie/book.

twothree · 07-20-2007, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Alan T

The people I think I wouldn't mind voting for right now are:

Swaggs, Lathum, Lonestargirl.

Well, I will change my vote to Swaggs, if you put your vote their, since he put both of our names in his first vote.

Barkeep49 · 07-20-2007, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Jonathan Ezarik

Barkeep, do you know if cronin was Holden?

Just reread my PM to see about this. No I don't know that. No clue if he was Decker or Holden. However, I didn't read the original PM carefully. Here's the order of events, with the new info I noticed in bold.

1. cronin comes to see me
2. cronin performs test
3. cronin leaves
4. I hear a loud crash and see cronin's body and that of another figure
5. Other figure and I exchange gun fire
6. Other figure escapes.

I thought it was the gunfire I heard but it was the body. That could explain the mangling.

path12 · 07-20-2007, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Jonathan Ezarik

Why not? Cronin isn't around to give us the results of the scan, so we have to take Barkeep's word that he was scanned and was a human. Now he can float through the rest of the game without anyone questioning him.

You could take the opposite tack also. If you're a replicant, you know now that one of the two Blade Runners are gone. Why put yourself at the scene of that crime? Just play it off since your discovery threat has just been cut in half.

Barkeep49 · 07-20-2007, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Jonathan Ezarik

Fits with the movie/book.

But then wouldn't there be two dead people? Cronin, who I supposedly killed after he tested me, and a second person who was the regular night kill? I don't think that scenario adds up.

Alan T · 07-20-2007, 11:05 AM

I don't understand all the votes on Barkeep, but hey its Werewolf, so people vote wherever

I also don't understand why suddenly everyone is happy that killing off AE, they don't need to worry about Swaggs anymore. We didn't learn anything about AE's death and I still think he likely was good.

That said, tough decision on where to go without knowing how others will vote.. twothree said he would also vote Swaggs, but I think today the better vote is Lathum

He didn't get a message like anyone else who was scanned (He said his was like cronin's but cronin was a bladerunner, not someone who was scanned). It looks more like someone who said that just to gain trust.

Vote Lathum

07-20-2007, 10:04 AM	#1152
Swaggs Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	I have my reasons. I'm sure none of them will interest any of you. Vote Alan twothree __________________ DOWN WITH HATTRICK!!! The RWBL Are you reading In The Bleachers?

07-20-2007, 10:05 AM	#1154
Swaggs Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	whoops.... the mysterious Alan twothree was not who I intended to vote for. Unvote Alan twothree Vote twothree __________________ DOWN WITH HATTRICK!!! The RWBL Are you reading In The Bleachers?

07-20-2007, 10:23 AM	#1167
path12 Coordinator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle, WA	Can anyone confirm that Cronin scanned them? __________________ We have always been at war with Eastasia.

07-20-2007, 10:39 AM	#1183
RendeR Coordinator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Buffalo, NY	Barkeep's story doesn't jive with the results of the kill last night. VOTE BARKEEP __________________ http://wotlabs.net/s...8/signature.png http://wotlabs.net/sig_dark/na/banichi18/signature.png

07-20-2007, 10:44 AM	#1189
Swaggs Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	Is it possible that the shot was from st.cronin, in defense, and then the replicant whipped his ass? __________________ DOWN WITH HATTRICK!!! The RWBL Are you reading In The Bleachers?

07-20-2007, 09:59 AM	#1151
Telle College Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Buffalo, NY	Well when Lathum came in and confirmed St. Cronin's story that pretty much pulled the fuel out of my fire.. I figured that theoretically they could both be replicants, but I found it unlikely. And St Cronin's death confirms that my thoery was wrong.. and that sucks on a personal level because I don't like being wrong and now feel that I made a fool out of myself. But at least now I know that I can trust Lathum, so that's something.

07-20-2007, 10:05 AM	#1153
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	I saw someone kill cronin, but after some gun fire this person got away.

07-20-2007, 10:06 AM	#1157
Telle College Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Buffalo, NY	Why wouldn't your reasons interest us? Please share.

07-20-2007, 10:07 AM	#1158
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	To expand: Cronin came last night to test me. I, of course, gladly submitted. After cronin tested me, he was attacked and shot by someone outside my apartment. I attempted to get this person, but he/she got away. That's all I know. Very frustrating.

07-20-2007, 10:12 AM	#1161
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	I do not know who it was that attacked cronin.

07-20-2007, 10:16 AM	#1163
Alan T Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mass.	Has anyone else gotten a message like Telle when scanned?

07-20-2007, 10:21 AM	#1164
Telle College Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Buffalo, NY	But as soon as a Bladerunner identifies himself, he's dead that night guaranteed.

07-20-2007, 10:21 AM	#1165
twothree College Prospect Join Date: May 2005	I was not scanned last night.

07-20-2007, 10:23 AM	#1168
Telle College Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Buffalo, NY	If the bodyguard's not dead or on Mars yet.

07-20-2007, 10:36 AM	#1180
LoneStarGirl College Starter Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Little Rock, AR	I have got to go to an Algebra camp for a couple hours then I have class 1-5... I will try to get on in between and vote

07-20-2007, 10:37 AM	#1181
LoneStarGirl College Starter Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Little Rock, AR	Jonathan, Barkeep is a good enough player that he might try to pull something like that... I like your line of thinking

07-20-2007, 10:38 AM	#1182
LoneStarGirl College Starter Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Little Rock, AR	If nobody else got scanned last night then I might possibly vote Barkeep after we see him try to defend himself later on today.

07-20-2007, 10:42 AM	#1187
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	The role writeup for Leon doesn't match what happened for last night either: "If he is terminated violently he will kill his attacker also." So if I was also dead and cronin was dead then it would make sense that I was Leon. But there seems to be nothing in the role suggesting Leon could kill a Bladerunner without also dying.

07-20-2007, 10:45 AM	#1190
twothree College Prospect Join Date: May 2005	vote Barkeep49

07-20-2007, 10:46 AM	#1192
Alan T Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mass.	So Barkeep + Telle is either good or bad Lathum's message is different from Telle + Barkeep's. Telle states it was not cronin who scanned her, which means if we believe Telle + Barkeep then both Bladerunners give the same message So I have 10 min till I have to leave, I dont think I will be voting for barkeep, doubt I will vote for telle, The people I think I wouldn't mind voting for right now are: Swaggs, Lathum, Lonestargirl. I have to make my decision in 15 min and wont be able to change it as I will be gone for the day

07-20-2007, 10:47 AM	#1194
Jonathan Ezarik College Benchwarmer Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Bossier City, LA	Barkeep, do you know if cronin was Holden?

07-20-2007, 11:05 AM	#1200
Alan T Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mass.	I don't understand all the votes on Barkeep, but hey its Werewolf, so people vote wherever I also don't understand why suddenly everyone is happy that killing off AE, they don't need to worry about Swaggs anymore. We didn't learn anything about AE's death and I still think he likely was good. That said, tough decision on where to go without knowing how others will vote.. twothree said he would also vote Swaggs, but I think today the better vote is Lathum He didn't get a message like anyone else who was scanned (He said his was like cronin's but cronin was a bladerunner, not someone who was scanned). It looks more like someone who said that just to gain trust. Vote Lathum

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