WW CLVI - Clue: Master Detective - GAME OVER! MURDERERS WIN! (Post 1817) - Page 24

Chubby · 03-06-2013, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by path12

He is suspicious. But ntn is dead and brit cleared him.

and what good is he doing us? he's not telling us who he scanned

Chubby · 03-06-2013, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by path12

Could have been blocked one way or another too I suppose.

i'd bet that was not the case

Coffee Warlord · 03-06-2013, 03:55 PM

4 - Font (Chubby 1042, PackerFanatic 1049, JAG 1053, mauchow 1113)
4 - Britrock (DQ 1082, Saldana 1106, Lathum 1128, bhlloy 1133)

path12 · 03-06-2013, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by bhlloy

For that to happen ntn would have to have not been paying any attention. Maybe somebody can go back and see if he acknowledged the reveal yesterday or at least was around sometime after

I might not have been clear above -- I'm throwing out the idea that ntn approached fontisian clearly knowing her role. Her description of her role was a bit different than Lathum's and brits -- it was that she got to make one kill attempt during the game and if the conditions were correct it would be successful -- not necessarily that if she happened to just run into her nemesis that they would die.

So if ntn's ability (I don't remember what it was offhand) would have helped check fontisian out -- and based on her info thought that he could approach safely -- he might have done so.

See the difference? I don't think it is likely, just want to surmise if it was possible.

I really suspect a wolf kill here to get us to lynch a non-murderer today. Especially after this exact thing happened with a Big Six character yesterday.

fontisian · 03-06-2013, 03:56 PM

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What about if someone found you? Did you have anything in your role description that said if Yvette found you the kill would happen?

The reason I ask is this. Maybe (doubtful but possible) ntn thought along these same lines and thought that checking you out could be done safely if you couldn't make a kill without trying to.

I don't know how much I like this theory after typing it out, but I'll ask the question anyway.

All I was told was that I would kill Yvette or a male character if I used my one-time ability to visit them at night. So, it's a possibility. ntn's motive would probably be to stop me from killing him by roleblocking me. If he died because he tried to roleblock me, I wasn't told.

path12 · 03-06-2013, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Chubby

and what good is he doing us? he's not telling us who he scanned

To be clear -- I do not like it at all that he has not given us who he scanned.

But it is irrelevent to the point of whether he is actually a seer or not.

path12 · 03-06-2013, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Chubby

i'd bet that was not the case

Why?

bhlloy · 03-06-2013, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by path12

Could have been blocked one way or another too I suppose.

We seemed to have an NK each night, although obviously in this rule set we don't really know either way

path12 · 03-06-2013, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by bhlloy

We seemed to have an NK each night, although obviously in this rule set we don't really know either way

With the warning up front by CW about the bloodbath potential I would expect deaths nightly by whatever means the bastard thought up.

JAG · 03-06-2013, 04:01 PM

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I might not have been clear above -- I'm throwing out the idea that ntn approached fontisian clearly knowing her role. Her description of her role was a bit different than Lathum's and brits -- it was that she got to make one kill attempt during the game and if the conditions were correct it would be successful -- not necessarily that if she happened to just run into her nemesis that they would die.

So if ntn's ability (I don't remember what it was offhand) would have helped check fontisian out -- and based on her info thought that he could approach safely -- he might have done so.

See the difference? I don't think it is likely, just want to surmise if it was possible.

I really suspect a wolf kill here to get us to lynch a non-murderer today. Especially after this exact thing happened with a Big Six character yesterday.

Unless ntn wasn't paying attention at all, I don't think this was the case:

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NTN was Yvette, and could prevent any male character from taking their night action.

font isn't a male character, so why would ntn choose to visit her?

Coffee Warlord · 03-06-2013, 04:01 PM

Four kills in two nights not enough for you guys? Okay, I'll make sure things get ratcheted up a notch tonight.

Chubby · 03-06-2013, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by bhlloy

We seemed to have an NK each night, although obviously in this rule set we don't really know either way

path - that's why

Zinto · 03-06-2013, 04:05 PM

Did NTN offer up what his role was? I don't think he did.

fontisian · 03-06-2013, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

NTN was Yvette, and could prevent any male character from taking their night action.

So, short of major reading comprehension issues, he had no reason to visit me.

path12 · 03-06-2013, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by JAG

Unless ntn wasn't paying attention at all, I don't think this was the case:

font isn't a male character, so why would ntn choose to visit her?

Thanks JAG, appreciate that -- I had forgotten what ntn's ability was and hadn't had a chance to go back and check yet.

Danny · 03-06-2013, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by JAG

I agree that it looks like font is being set up, especially when you consider why in the world she would reveal on D1 if this was her plan all along, but on the other hand, we have a double murder that's very similar to what happened the day before when Scarlet appears to have been converted. If it's a set up, it's a pretty well done one.

Who says Font became a murderer intentionally?

path12 · 03-06-2013, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by fontisian

So, short of major reading comprehension issues, he had no reason to visit me.

Agree now, and ntn is not the kind of player to not know what is going on. Theory busted.

So were still down to a candidate that seems too easy to be true and an uncontested seer that hasn't hit anything in two whole days and for some god-unknown reason thinks it's a good idea to keep quiet on his scan last night.

Ugh.

JAG · 03-06-2013, 04:13 PM

I thought it was a good hypothesis actually, as I had forgotten what his role was when I went back to look it up. So now I'm just back to being confused as to why font would play things the way she has, but not really having a better explanation for what happened last night.

path12 · 03-06-2013, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Danny

Who says Font became a murderer intentionally?

Fair point.

path12 · 03-06-2013, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

Four kills in two nights not enough for you guys? Okay, I'll make sure things get ratcheted up a notch tonight.

May diseased yaks share your bed.

path12 · 03-06-2013, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by JAG

I thought it was a good hypothesis actually, as I had forgotten what his role was when I went back to look it up. So now I'm just back to being confused as to why font would play things the way she has, but not really having a better explanation for what happened last night.

The only viable reason I can think of is the It's So Obvious They'll Never Think It's True theory.

I think she's good enough to play that angle. I just don't know that she's doing it this game.

bhlloy · 03-06-2013, 04:25 PM

I guess Brit is holding his "scan" in his pocket as a get out of lynch free card. That doesn't buy him any trust or goodwill as far as I can see

Zinto · 03-06-2013, 04:25 PM

Well I am about to leave and I am not sure if I will be back before deadline so I need to place a vote. I am leaning towards there being a better chance that Font was converted last night then ntn just being a second night kill.

Vote Font

Zinto · 03-06-2013, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by bhlloy

I guess Brit is holding his "scan" in his pocket as a get out of lynch free card. That doesn't buy him any trust or goodwill as far as I can see

I am not sure he has been on since everyone has been pushing for him to reveal his scan but he should reveal who it was. I also don't think it is going to matter who he scanned he is going to get votes no matter what.

path12 · 03-06-2013, 04:29 PM

There is no scenario where I'm going to vote for an uncontested seer so if we end up with these as the choices I'll likely go fontesian, but I'm kind of casting about for a viable alternative.

As is pretty obvious.

bhlloy · 03-06-2013, 04:30 PM

I'm struggling to understand the logic there. Is the thought that a fake seer/wolf britrock is more likely to leave ntn alive? I would have thought the exact opposite

Chubby · 03-06-2013, 04:34 PM

nobody is going to counter his character, there's no way to counter his "seer" claim. which, mind you, he revealed with 3 minutes before deadline night 1 and has been not very helpful since then.

Coffee Warlord · 03-06-2013, 04:35 PM

5 - Font (Chubby 1042, PackerFanatic 1049, JAG 1053, mauchow 1113, Zinto 1173)
4 - Britrock (DQ 1082, Saldana 1106, Lathum 1128, bhlloy 1133)

path12 · 03-06-2013, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Chubby

nobody is going to counter his character, there's no way to counter his "seer" claim. which, mind you, he revealed with 3 minutes before deadline night 1 and has been not very helpful since then.

If he is not the seer than someone else is. And they would have scanned him last night.

I don't get why you have been gung-ho on him since the start of the game. Yes, he needs to be clearer. But a seer not finding anyone in two scans shouldn't be a big red flag to anyone. Hell, I've gone an entire game as a seer and not hit anything.

Which says more about my own lack of ability but just saying.

path12 · 03-06-2013, 04:44 PM

And, if as you say nobody is going to counter his character, then he IS the seer and for god's sakes why the hell would we want to hang him?

bulletsponge · 03-06-2013, 04:44 PM

Chubby · 03-06-2013, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by path12

If he is not the seer than someone else is. And they would have scanned him last night.

I don't get why you have been gung-ho on him since the start of the game. Yes, he needs to be clearer. But a seer not finding anyone in two scans shouldn't be a big red flag to anyone. Hell, I've gone an entire game as a seer and not hit anything.

Which says more about my own lack of ability but just saying.

its not that he hasn't found anyone, it's that he hasn't said who he was scanned at all in 2 nights.

also, please point out where he specifically spelled out that he can search for murderers. He may have said it but I can't find it. I read his "reveal" as simply the same as the other revealed Big 6ers abilities in that they are searching for their counterpart.

Chubby · 03-06-2013, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by path12

And, if as you say nobody is going to counter his character, then he IS the seer and for god's sakes why the hell would we want to hang him?

how is Mr Plum = seer written in stone?

his character and ability are 2 totally separate things IMO.

bhlloy · 03-06-2013, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by path12

If he is not the seer than someone else is. And they would have scanned him last night.

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CW was very clear that regular WW roles would not be in this game. I don't think we necessarily have a seer. Nothing I've seen in the roles I know so far seems to suggest otherwise

Autumn · 03-06-2013, 04:46 PM

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I'm struggling to understand the logic there. Is the thought that a fake seer/wolf britrock is more likely to leave ntn alive? I would have thought the exact opposite

I think if there was one kill, of NTN, this wuld be simpler. I'd assume someone was trying to clear cleared characters, maybe Brit was trying ot make himself look good.

The wrinkle is the second kill. We don't know whether there's any way for there to be a second kill outside of a Big 6 kill (though I suspect there probably is). So we have to lean heavily towards Font having gotten lucky with NTN, since we don't know any other reason for Hoops to also have died.

The thing is, if Font is/was good the wolves would have no way of knowing they were setting Font up by killing NTN. If Brit is a real seer, I'm not sure that they kill NTN and make him look good. Why not leave him even more suspicious. If Brit is a wolf, they kill NTN to make it look like the wolves believe in him. Either way I don't think the wolves necessarily kill Brit, who could become a wolf any night (if he's not one).

Chubby · 03-06-2013, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by bulletsponge

maybe next game

hoopsguy · 03-06-2013, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

Four kills in two nights not enough for you guys? Okay, I'll make sure things get ratcheted up a notch tonight.

The Greek chorus cheers!

Coffee Warlord · 03-06-2013, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by bulletsponge

Didn't I kill you already?

path12 · 03-06-2013, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by bhlloy

CW was very clear that regular WW roles would not be in this game. I don't think we necessarily have a seer. Nothing I've seen in the roles I know so far seems to suggest otherwise

There are certainly roles in this game that are regular WW roles. There may be a twist or two, but the basic archetypes are in this game.

Chubby · 03-06-2013, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by path12

There are certainly roles in this game that are regular WW roles. There may be a twist or two, but the basic archetypes are in this game.

Says who?

DQ_BOY1000 · 03-06-2013, 04:49 PM

This game is making my head blow up. There is so much going on I can't keep track.

Here is the only condition I move off Brit... he tells us who he investigated!

Danny · 03-06-2013, 04:49 PM

I will support what Path said.

bhlloy · 03-06-2013, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Autumn

The thing is, if Font is/was good the wolves would have no way of knowing they were setting Font up by killing NTN. If Brit is a real seer, I'm not sure that they kill NTN and make him look good. Why not leave him even more suspicious. If Brit is a wolf, they kill NTN to make it look like the wolves believe in him. Either way I don't think the wolves necessarily kill Brit, who could become a wolf any night (if he's not one).

This makes sense and makes me somewhat hopeful we might even be wolf-wolf tonight.

path12 · 03-06-2013, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Chubby

its not that he hasn't found anyone, it's that he hasn't said who he was scanned at all in 2 nights.

also, please point out where he specifically spelled out that he can search for murderers. He may have said it but I can't find it. I read his "reveal" as simply the same as the other revealed Big 6ers abilities in that they are searching for their counterpart.

Oh shit, now I've gotta post hunt? I read his reveal as a seer. Obviously we disagree.

He did say he scanned ntn as clear night one per my notes. I don't think I imagined that but who knows.

bhlloy · 03-06-2013, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by path12

There are certainly roles in this game that are regular WW roles. There may be a twist or two, but the basic archetypes are in this game.

If this is true I think CW was being duplicitous in his writeup. That's the opposite of what it says

bhlloy · 03-06-2013, 04:54 PM

Also, do not expect roles to be the normal WW roles. There are a few similarities, but for the most part, they are weird.

DQ_BOY1000 · 03-06-2013, 04:55 PM

I think the "types" that are in this game are those that can "search" someone and become a wolf if they find someone... that is a big "twist" from searching and subsequently announcing a wolf.

Chubby · 03-06-2013, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by bhlloy

This makes sense and makes me somewhat hopeful we might even be wolf-wolf tonight.

Same here.

path12 · 03-06-2013, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by britrock88

Screw it. It's only worth one scan, but I'm the seer.

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I'm bummed I didn't hear from others about suspicion in bulletsponge until morning, because he ended up as my #2 scan priority last night.

My thinking was that murrayyyyy revealed his informant role (whether people picked up on that or not) and was thus an easily known villager. As long as you guys believe me, I'm a villager, too. So the most popular votee with unknown murderer affiliation was Chubby. I went back through the vote analysis and looked for the latest move that was indicative of defending Chubby, and came up with ntndeacon.

Ntndeaceon scanned as a non-murderer. There is a caveat to this, though. Suppose ntndeacon was the character who we assume is Miss Scarlett -- the one who killed CR the cop. Because CW resolves night actions simultaneously, if I had the luck to scan a Big Six player AS they were killing their informant/converting, I would get a non-murderer result for a player who would become a murderer immediately thereafter. Bummer.

I take the "one scan" comment to refer to the fact that he thinks he is gonna get whacked. YMMV.

DQ_BOY1000 · 03-06-2013, 04:56 PM

One helps the village (traditional seer) and the other screws us (Britrock88)!!!

03-06-2013, 04:29 PM	#1175
path12 Coordinator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle, WA	There is no scenario where I'm going to vote for an uncontested seer so if we end up with these as the choices I'll likely go fontesian, but I'm kind of casting about for a viable alternative. As is pretty obvious. __________________ We have always been at war with Eastasia.

03-06-2013, 04:44 PM	#1180
path12 Coordinator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle, WA	And, if as you say nobody is going to counter his character, then he IS the seer and for god's sakes why the hell would we want to hang him? __________________ We have always been at war with Eastasia.

03-06-2013, 04:44 PM	#1181
bulletsponge Pro Starter Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: TX	__________________ the Barbarian, WW Royal Rumble Champion

03-06-2013, 04:49 PM	#1191
DQ_BOY1000 Mascot Join Date: Mar 2013	This game is making my head blow up. There is so much going on I can't keep track. Here is the only condition I move off Brit... he tells us who he investigated! __________________ "... as if there were 999 before you." "There were."

03-06-2013, 04:55 PM	#1197
DQ_BOY1000 Mascot Join Date: Mar 2013	I think the "types" that are in this game are those that can "search" someone and become a wolf if they find someone... that is a big "twist" from searching and subsequently announcing a wolf. __________________ "... as if there were 999 before you." "There were."

03-06-2013, 03:55 PM	#1153
Coffee Warlord Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Colorado Springs	4 - Font (Chubby 1042, PackerFanatic 1049, JAG 1053, mauchow 1113) 4 - Britrock (DQ 1082, Saldana 1106, Lathum 1128, bhlloy 1133)

03-06-2013, 04:01 PM	#1161
Coffee Warlord Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Colorado Springs	Four kills in two nights not enough for you guys? Okay, I'll make sure things get ratcheted up a notch tonight.

03-06-2013, 04:05 PM	#1163
Zinto College Starter Join Date: Jan 2011	Did NTN offer up what his role was? I don't think he did.

03-06-2013, 04:13 PM	#1168
JAG Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: St. Paul, MN	I thought it was a good hypothesis actually, as I had forgotten what his role was when I went back to look it up. So now I'm just back to being confused as to why font would play things the way she has, but not really having a better explanation for what happened last night.

03-06-2013, 04:25 PM	#1172
bhlloy Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2003	I guess Brit is holding his "scan" in his pocket as a get out of lynch free card. That doesn't buy him any trust or goodwill as far as I can see

03-06-2013, 04:25 PM	#1173
Zinto College Starter Join Date: Jan 2011	Well I am about to leave and I am not sure if I will be back before deadline so I need to place a vote. I am leaning towards there being a better chance that Font was converted last night then ntn just being a second night kill. Vote Font

03-06-2013, 04:30 PM	#1176
bhlloy Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2003	I'm struggling to understand the logic there. Is the thought that a fake seer/wolf britrock is more likely to leave ntn alive? I would have thought the exact opposite

03-06-2013, 04:34 PM	#1177
Chubby Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Syracuse, NY	nobody is going to counter his character, there's no way to counter his "seer" claim. which, mind you, he revealed with 3 minutes before deadline night 1 and has been not very helpful since then.

03-06-2013, 04:35 PM	#1178
Coffee Warlord Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Colorado Springs	5 - Font (Chubby 1042, PackerFanatic 1049, JAG 1053, mauchow 1113, Zinto 1173) 4 - Britrock (DQ 1082, Saldana 1106, Lathum 1128, bhlloy 1133)

03-06-2013, 04:49 PM	#1192
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	I will support what Path said.

03-06-2013, 04:54 PM	#1196
bhlloy Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2003	Also, do not expect roles to be the normal WW roles. There are a few similarities, but for the most part, they are weird.

03-06-2013, 04:56 PM	#1200
DQ_BOY1000 Mascot Join Date: Mar 2013	One helps the village (traditional seer) and the other screws us (Britrock88)!!! __________________ "... as if there were 999 before you." "There were."

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