Werewolf XXI - Werewolf goes to Hollywood - Game Over!! Death Eaters win!!

[st.cronin]

dola

I am particularly unimpressed with the votes for Mr. Wednesday. He was one of the first ones to jump on Qwik after Neo's reveal.

[Schmidty]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

I'm not entirely sold on either one, myself. I think there are better candidates.

KWhit
ardent
JeeberD

Well if there are better candidates, why in the hell aren't we voting for them? Actually, the only guy in your list that strikes me as being a potential DE is Jeeber. I haven't seen too much damning evidence versus the other two. I also encourage people to investigate Grammaticus further, as I did in an above post. I'd like to hear more feedback on my suspicions of him.

[Alan T]

Right now its:
Mr. wednesday (10)
path (7)
Jeeber (1)
Alan T (1)

If I am adding correctly, unless people change votes, with the outstanding votes left, Mr. W will be lynched.

I still have my vote on Jeeber from earlier. I could change it to Mr. W, or path, or someone else, but at this point I don't see that it would make much of a difference. Unless someone comes out with something really revealing, looks like this one will end like this

[st.cronin]

UNVOTE PATH12

[Coffee Warlord]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

I'm not entirely sold on either one, myself. I think there are better candidates.

KWhit
ardent
JeeberD

I want to pay a visit to Alan tomorrow as well. Unfortunately I think tonight it's pretty much guaranteed to be MrW or Path.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

(reposted from last day)

The following players cast votes on what are now known wizards:

SnDvls
AlanT (counting myself as a known human)
Dubb (later switched before Neon's reveal)
Qwik
Lathum
ardent (switch from Schmidty to Neon)
Jeeber

The following players (in order) jumped on the Qwik bandwagon:

RPI
Taz
AlanT
Mr. Wednesday
KWhit
Lathum
SnDvls
Jesse Ewok
Dubb
Desnudo

The following players posted after Neon's reveal, but did not change their votes:

Coffee Warlord
Kingfc


(yesterday's votes)

Coffee Warlord - vote dubb93
Coder - vote Coffee Warlord
SnDvls - vote Superman (clears Superman imo)
st.cronin - vote SnDvls
Lathum - vote Superman (known human)
dacman - vote SnDvls (clears dacman, imo)
Jeeber - vote Superman (known human)
king - vote SnDvls (possible clear on king)
Raiders Army - vote WVUFan
dubb - vote WVUFan
Lathum - unvote Superman
Jeeber - unvote Superman, vote WVUFan
Sun - vote WVU
Gram - vote SnDvls
WVUFan - vote SnDvls
Coffee Warlord - vote SnDvls
dubb - unvote WVUFan, vote Pass
ardent - vote Coffee Warlord
Gram - unvote SnDvls
Jesse - Vote SnDvls
dubb - unvote pass, vote SnDvls
Gram - vote WVUFan
Desnudo - vote Coffee Warlord
Lathum - vote SnDvls
AlanT - vote Coffee Warlord
path12 - vote Passacaglia
desnudo - unvote Coffee Warlord
RPI-Fan - vote Mr. Wednesday
desnudo - vote Coffee Warlord
path - vote Passacaglia
ardent - unvote Coffee Warlord, vote WVUFan
Schmidty - vote SnDvls (clears Schmidty, imo)
dubb - unvote SnDvls, vote WVUFan (somewhat shady vote)
Taz - vote Superman
RPI - unvote Mr. Wednesday, vote Passacaglia
Passacaglia - vote SnDvls
Superman - vote Coffee Warlord
AlanT - unvote Coffee Warlord, vote WVUFan
dubb - unvote WVUFan, vote SnDvls
KWhit - vote WVUFan
path12 - vote WVUFan
Mr. Wednesday - vote WVUFan
Superman - unvote Coffee Warlord, vote SnDvls

Kwhit is a weak suspect, along with path and Mr. W.

Jeeber and ardent have, imo, the two worst voting records. My gut tells me ardent is a good wizard, but I don't trust my gut. Jeeber has also been very, very quiet.

JEEBERD

[st.cronin]

VOTE JEEBERD

left out the 'vote' in the last post....

[Mr. Wednesday]

Originally Posted by RPI-Fan

Mr. W has been very weak.

VOTE MR. WEDNESDAY

How, exactly, would I have been strong?

It seems like ever since playing with you once as a bad guy, you're always convinced that I'm a bad guy when we play again. You've been wrong about that as much as you've been right, and you're wrong now.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Casting an attempted self-preservation vote.

Vote path12

The trouble with being a normal wizard who chose poorly is that I don't have a better argument than I've already advanced for being innocent.

[Poli]

I don't know what makes me a better candidate. I've had bad luck, timing and voting. The same can be said for a number of us.

I can say that I've been looking at previous posts of a few people, trying to figure out their affiliation. I haven't got anything solid yet, nothing much more than what others have said. I spend a decent amount of time looking at previous posts. It helps when I have to try and look at 100+ posts at a time. It helps in general for me.

I, like the rest of us, have a trust list and a suspect list.

Trust is you(stcronin, obviously), WVU (I believe him from what he's said), superman.

Don't trust: Mr.W and path. I don't trust kingfc either at this point, since he threw an accusation at me without really even researching it. I don't know about the Warlord either.

It's tough with this game trying to pin someone based on posts. There hasn't really been a lot going on...say, expanding our circle of trust. The last game was awesome in that our role reveals were timely and our circle of trust enabled us to root out the demons.

It's going to be difficult without Neon. I almost wish he held onto his knowledge for later. It would have been nice to get a few more scans in. Don't get me wrong, I'm glad we got qwik and sndvls. It would be nice to have a few more cleared people though, ala hoops last week and the last game. He really had me thinking about the seer role.

I kind of screwed that up a few games ago when I had hoops. I shouldn't have tried to hide my role (with a fake reveal) of seer and just told everyone who I scanned and who was in the clear. I really screwed the game up for us.

Anyway, I'm rambling and Lost is on.

[st.cronin]

By the way, you may think me a ham, but I am using the same method I used to find SnDlvs. No bandwagon on Jeeber means he hasn't had to defend himself.

[Raiders Army]

Back from Tae Kwon Do. I see it's been busy.

Originally Posted by dubb93

The way I interpret it he was saying that my voting for Path was strange, like I was avoiding the Mr. W bandwagon for some devious reason. And that he was trying to say that there was no reason for a Path vote.

If Path comes up a DE, RA may very well be one too.

Neon was right about you.

Yes, I think you could've possibly avoided the Mr. Wednesday bandwagon for a devious reason. Do I think you actually did? Not really. But it was enough to push me towards Wednesday. What you posted earlier about just wanting to make sure that path doesn't fly under the radar makes sense. I'll leave my vote as is.

But talk about slippery slope. You just pushed me down it. If Path is a DE, then I am. Just because I'm trying to "save" him. I'm not trying to save him at all. I'm just trying to lynch Mr. Wednesday.

[Coffee Warlord]

Know what. It's prolly not gonna matter THIS vote, but I want it noted, since the more I think about it, the more I don't like going after path or MrW.

That said, I want to take a moment to call on Alan T. A lot of little things over the short duration of the game rub me the wrong way.

UNVOTE Path
Vote Alan T

Yay for flip flopping.

[Mr. Wednesday]

st.cronin, I'd love to help you out in rousting another DE, but my first priority is surviving until tomorrow (which is looking doubtful right now).

Personal voting priorities:
1. Survive
2. Nail a DE
3. Protect a roled wizard

[Raiders Army]

Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

Know what. It's prolly not gonna matter THIS vote, but I want it noted, since the more I think about it, the more I don't like going after path or MrW.

That said, I want to take a moment to call on Alan T. A lot of little things over the short duration of the game rub me the wrong way.

UNVOTE Path
Vote Alan T

Yay for flip flopping.

Alan T bothers me as well. Other than the obvious two (Wednesday and path), Alan T, Grammaticus, and Jeeber seem very suspicious to me. I'll check right before the new episode of Lost to possibly switch my vote. I'm not married to the Wednesday/path showdown.

[Raiders Army]

Originally Posted by Mr. Wednesday

3. Protect a roled wizard

[Mr. Wednesday]

Another thought... I wouldn't be surprised if path is a wizard too, and y'all don't learn anything at all from today.

[Poli]

Yeah, did I read that right?

[Schmidty]

As I said earlier, I REALLY want some input on my suspicions of Grammaticus. I am seriously considering changing my vote to him, since he really worries me, and my vote on path12 seems pointless at this point (since Mr. W is far ahead).

[Mr. Wednesday]

Originally Posted by Raiders Army

You know, like the seer or the bodyguard. Er, legilimens or retired auror. i.e. cast a vote to an unknown quantity to protect the guy who would be useful.

[dubb93]

I'm pretty sure Gramm is the duke. I could be wrong, but just by the questions he was asking yesterday I got that feeling. That is why I called him on it and he admitted it. His votes have been out of place, but as of now he's in my circle of trust as the duke.

[Raiders Army]

UNVOTE MR. WEDNESDAY
VOTE ALAN T

Good 'nuff for me.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Schmidty, I think there might be something to your musings, but I'm not in a position to do anything about it at the moment. Right now, my vote is with whoever else has the most votes (possible exceptions for people like st. cronin that I trust).

[kingfc22]

UNVOTE MR. W

VOTE PATH12

[Mr. Wednesday]

Originally Posted by Mr. Wednesday

Personal voting priorities:
1. Survive
2. Nail a DE
3. Protect a roled wizard

Heh, I just realized that my vote for WVUFan kinda swaps 2 and 3, which basically has to do with how certain I feel about someone being a DE vs. someone having a role.

[dubb93]

Originally Posted by dubb93

I'm pretty sure Gramm is the duke. I could be wrong, but just by the questions he was asking yesterday I got that feeling. That is why I called him on it and he admitted it. His votes have been out of place, but as of now he's in my circle of trust as the duke.

Although I'm willing to admit it could have been a case where he was just curious and ran with what I was throwing out there.

[RPI-Fan]

I'm willing to give him another day...

UNVOTE MR. W

VOTE ALAN T

[Schmidty]

Originally Posted by dubb93

I'm pretty sure Gramm is the duke. I could be wrong, but just by the questions he was asking yesterday I got that feeling. That is why I called him on it and he admitted it. His votes have been out of place, but as of now he's in my circle of trust as the duke.

I didn't really get that impression, and I am not really interested in believing someone says, "I'm the Duke". The real Duke would be a fool to come forward, as that would put an automatic target on his head by the DEs. It seems like it would be a stupid move.

Using that logic, wouldn't your support of him look bad? Would it be a strategy cooked up between two DEs? I don't know at this point, but I'll file it away for later.

At this point in the game, the only people I trust are St. Cronin and WVUfan. No offense to everyone else.

[Superman=#54]

Vote JeeberD

[Raiders Army]

I'm hoping that enough will change their votes to AlanT. Otherwise I'll switch to path to protect Wednesday.

[Schmidty]

Originally Posted by Schmidty

I didn't really get that impression, and I am not really interested in believing someone says, "I'm the Duke". The real Duke would be a fool to come forward, as that would put an automatic target on his head by the DEs. It seems like it would be a stupid move.

Using that logic, wouldn't your support of him look bad? Would it be a strategy cooked up between two DEs? I don't know at this point, but I'll file it away for later.

At this point in the game, the only people I trust are St. Cronin and WVUfan. No offense to everyone else.

I forgot to add Superman to my trust list.

[Jesse_Ewiak]

VOTE PATH12

No trust of him or MrW.

[Raiders Army]

Has Jesse Ewiak done anything yet?

[Raiders Army]

Originally Posted by Raiders Army

Has Jesse Ewiak done anything yet?

LOL.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Yes, he has.

[Coffee Warlord]

Hell, to be honest, I forgot he was playing.

[Coffee Warlord]

Speak up more, Jesse!

[Poli]

Unvote Mr. Wednesday

What's the story on Alan T?

[Schmidty]

Originally Posted by Raiders Army

Has Jesse Ewiak done anything yet?

I was just investigating him. He's posted like 5 times, and retracted a vote from path to Qwik very late. He's on the fishy radar.

[dubb93]

Schmidty, anyone you haven't accused of being a DE yet in this game? How stupid would it be for 2 DE's to cook up a strategy to lynch a DE and then "clear" one with a stupid duke role? If I was a DE I could have easily changed my vote at the last second and Sun would have came up clean. Keep in mind it was only a 1 vote margin. I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt based on your actions yesterday but you are making it hard to do so.

[Superman=#54]

I need a vote tally.

[Schmidty]

Originally Posted by Jesse_Ewiak

VOTE PATH12

No trust of him or MrW.

My gut (and my recent "investigation" of him), tells me that I shouldn't vote for who he votes for. I'll go with the guys votes who I trust:

UNVOTE PATH 12

VOTE JEEBERD

I'm not forgeting Grammaticus though.

[dubb93]

UNVOTE PATH12

VOTE ALAN T

I don't feel comfortable avoiding the Path/Wednesday situation. Especially since I wouldn't put it past Mr. W to lie to get heat off himself. He is, in my mind, the all time best bad guy in this game, but the village seems to want Alan's head, so I'll move my vote to hopefully save Mr. W. But if he turns out to be bad, we could be pretty well screwed.

[Raiders Army]

Originally Posted by ardent enthusiast

Unvote Mr. Wednesday

What's the story on Alan T?

My take on him is that:

#1: He was on Neon's list of suspicious people.
#2: He was on the hot seat yesterday somewhat, but now it seems as if he's an angel.
#3: (not applicable to anyone but me) I was on his "short list" (which wasn't a short list, IMHO, 6-8 people aren't short) for voting for WVUFan yesterday. I voted for him first. I didn't start the bandwagon nor was I a late vote.

It's like once the Wednesday/path thing went down, he was content to let them fight it out. He seems very fishy to me.

But....#1 could be taken away by saying Wednesday was on Neon's list. I don't feel good about lynching Wednesday or path at this point, so I'm going with my gut here: Alan T.

[Coffee Warlord]

Originally Posted by ardent enthusiast

What's the story on Alan T?

Shot for the tie (which I STILL feel would have been a horrible play yesterday) last night, was big on not lynchin SnDvls at all. Kept on going with Neon about said tie, and I'm not thrilled about his responses through that whole fiasco.

Immediatly tried to cast a bunch of suspicion on me when I came out shooting early. That in itself it not surprising, hell, I expected it, but these things add up.

If you have time, re-read some of his posts. I don't have HARD evidence, but it's just a collection of little things I don't like.

[Coffee Warlord]

And I'll be damned. Broke 6,000.

[Raiders Army]

Originally Posted by dubb93

UNVOTE PATH12

VOTE ALAN T

I don't feel comfortable avoiding the Path/Wednesday situation. Especially since I wouldn't put it past Mr. W to lie to get heat off himself. He is, in my mind, the all time best bad guy in this game, but the village seems to want Alan's head, so I'll move my vote to hopefully save Mr. W. But if he turns out to be bad, we could be pretty well screwed.

Well, I think you're not including yourself on that all-time best bad guy list.

But I agree. The problem is that he did his reveal somewhat "late" in the lynching cycle. If someone else is the real bodyguard, then they may not log on to dispute his claim. I think within the next 24 hours we'll know if someone calls him out on it.

[Raiders Army]

Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

And I'll be damned. Broke 6,000.

Gratz.

[Schmidty]

Originally Posted by dubb93

Schmidty, anyone you haven't accused of being a DE yet in this game? How stupid would it be for 2 DE's to cook up a strategy to lynch a DE and then "clear" one with a stupid duke role? If I was a DE I could have easily changed my vote at the last second and Sun would have came up clean. Keep in mind it was only a 1 vote margin. I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt based on your actions yesterday but you are making it hard to do so.

I have never actually "accused" of definitely being a DE, drama queen.

All I've done is look up a few (like 4) people that struck me as suspicious, and I've only tabbed two (non-Mr. Wed and path) as being "fishy". As an aside, I said that you would only look fishy if my my small suspicion of Jesse was true, so stop getting your panties in a bunch.

[Poli]

Good enough for me at this point. I'm not particularly sold on Mr. Wednesday anymore. I have concern for path and jeeber..but I really need to do more homework on jeeber.

Btw, congrats, Warlord. Win an election, will ya?

Vote Alan T