So The Superbowl is Over (Unofficial 2007 NFL Draft/Free Agency Thread) - Page 24

Ksyrup · 05-14-2007, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Vinatieri for Prez

Thanks, but I'll pass on taking the incompetent and bitter Tom Walsh's word on anything.

Yes, I know the evidence throughout Moss' career tends to show that Walsh is just making it all up...

Vinatieri for Prez · 05-14-2007, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Ksyrup

Yes, I know the evidence throughout Moss' career tends to show that Walsh is just making it all up...

Um, no. My point is I can use my own eyes to see Randy's lack of dedication. And there has been plenty of that. I'll just pass on putting stock in a guy who probably is only months removed from believing he lost his coaching job due to Moss.

Let's put it this way. On a weaker team with a weaker locker room and weaker coach than in New England for a long term contract, I would pass on Moss most definitely because Moss cannot function in a situation like that. But in New England, he has a shot at it. That's all.

Atocep · 05-14-2007, 12:09 PM

My hate for the Patriots rivals my hate for the Yankees, but I think Moss will be fine in New England. He's the type of person that can't function in a losing environment. I'm not saying what he's done is ok or anything of that nature, but I really don't believe you'll see it in New England.

Moss for a 4th rounder will go down as the steal of the draft. He's going to play with a QB that he knows can get him the ball, a coach he'll respect, and he's playing for a contract.

Vinatieri for Prez · 05-14-2007, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Ksyrup

You mean Buchanan's interview with Landry, or Landry's interview about Buchanan? I sure hope it's the former, then it's just a matter of tracking down others as opposed to an argument over whether he said those things or not.

Right. I stand corrected. Only the Landry interview was on tape.

And as predicted by others, I believe Buchanana just recently issued his first denial.

Ksyrup · 05-14-2007, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Vinatieri for Prez

Um, no. My point is I can use my own eyes to see Randy's lack of dedication. And there has been plenty of that. I'll just pass on putting stock in a guy who probably is only months removed from believing he lost his coaching job due to Moss.

Let's put it this way. On a weaker team with a weaker locker room and weaker coach than in New England for a long term contract, I would pass on Moss most definitely because Moss cannot function in a situation like that. But in New England, he has a shot at it. That's all.

I still don't see what that has to do with what Walsh said. We've certainly seen plenty of evidence of exactly what he described, so the only reason not to "put stock" in what he's said is if you believe what he described didn't happen.

Ksyrup · 05-14-2007, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Vinatieri for Prez

Right. I stand corrected. Only the Landry interview was on tape.

And as predicted by others, I believe Buchanana just recently issued his first denial.

I like saying Buchanana. Keep spelling it that way.

Vinatieri for Prez · 05-14-2007, 12:16 PM

I guess all I can say is I'll need other confirmation before I believe a bitter Walsh that Randy blew 14 of 28 assignments. I'm not saying it didn't happen. I'm not saying it did either.

Eaglesfan27 · 05-14-2007, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

To pick your professional brain for a second here:

I have a sense that dog fighting is . . . jacked up is a way that other violent crimes are not. Like, sick in the head kind of jacked up--like pedophelia (sp?) or being a fire bug or that sort of thing.

Is that true? There just seems to be something different in kind about abusing animals for money than, for instance, being involved in the drug trade, or prostitution, or theft, etc.

There aren't many studies that have examined this issue, however, there are a few. Most experts in childhood development of sociopathy consider cruelty to animals (outside of hunting and eating them) to be one of the cardinal signs of sociopathy that is the worst prognostic factor (along with malicious fire starting and wetting/messing oneself intentionally.) Cruelty to common house hold pets is worse in that hierarchy than say cruelty to a bug or something repulsive. Those studies have been extended to include a belief that in adults animal cruelty is a marker for more severe forms of sociopathic behavior and lack of empathy for one's fellow man.

albionmoonlight · 05-15-2007, 08:05 AM

I guess that there could still be federal charges brought against Vick, but it looks like the state is not that interested in pursuing anything.

http://www.wvec.com/news/topstories/....6c10df24.html

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Two different sources in law enforcement say NFL quarterback Michael Vick not only knew about the dog fighting at a house he owned, but that he was an active participant at the fights that allegedly took place behind the house.

When investigators took a peek behind Vick’s property last month, they found dozens of pit bulls with cuts and scars. They discovered a fighting ring, treadmills and blood soaked carpeting, but they also found documents they say, "Absolutely link Vick to the dog-fighting operation."

In the nearly three weeks since the bust, investigators tell 13News they've interviewed multiple people who say they went to dog fights on the property and saw Vick there.

They're also investigating posts on an underground dog fighting web site.

In 2003, a breeder with the name MV Kennels boasted about having dogs capable of killing in 14 minutes. An entry for a dog named Maggie Mae said, "Nothing lived long enough to fight back."

Two men identifying themselves as friends of Vick seemed to be doing landscape work at Vick’s home Monday, days after Vick sold the property.

Initially Vick said he'd never been to the house, though numerous neighbors told us he was there regularly.

In a weekend press conference, Vick declined to talk about the case.

"The situation is still under investigation," said Vick. "And my attorneys have advised me not to talk about it right now."

Yet with all this evidence, there are no charges yet. Investigators say they're frustrated with the Commonwealth's Attorney who'd be the one to file those charges. They say he has not even scheduled a meeting to review the evidence.

Commonwealth’s Attorney Gerald Poindexter would not talk to us on camera but said off-camera, "They have not requested a meeting with me. That is a lie."

But both sources said they've tried repeatedly to reach Poindexter.

One investigator had multiple attorneys with dog fighting case law experience call Poindexter to offer help. The investigator says Poindexter never called back, yet Poindexter told us the case is wrapping up.

"There should be a conclusion in 7 to 10 days," he said.

He would not disclose any parts of the investigation, saying lawyers who do that are despicable, and he would not say if now he plans to call a meeting with investigators.

albionmoonlight · 05-15-2007, 08:09 AM

dola-

Though having lived through the whole Duke Rape disgrace up here, I can say that I appreciate a prosecuting attorney who does not talk about charges in the media.

Ksyrup · 05-15-2007, 08:11 AM

If that evidence is there, this guy is going to get roasted for not bring charges against Vick. I mean, not only is there supposedly evidence that he actively participated, but he owns the damn property!

At some point, those witness statements will be made public and this guy will have to answer for what he did (or failed to do). Then again, it could be that he has the evidence and is keeping everything close to the vest so as not to allow leaks, which might mean he's planning to charge Vick. Who knows.

Ksyrup · 05-15-2007, 08:13 AM

Yeah, my last point is related to the Duke thing. Maybe he's keeping the investigators and other 3rd parties out of it to lessen the chances of information getting out before he decides what to do. If the evidence is what they say it is, maybe he doesn't need any help in making this decision - he just doesn't want many people knowing what the decision is.

Ksyrup · 05-15-2007, 08:15 AM

I wonder what he means by a "conclusion in 7 to 10 days." I guess that could mean the investigation concludes, or the case concludes. The author seems to think it means the case, but I don't necessarily read it that way.

JPhillips · 05-15-2007, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27

There aren't many studies that have examined this issue, however, there are a few. Most experts in childhood development of sociopathy consider cruelty to animals (outside of hunting and eating them) to be one of the cardinal signs of sociopathy that is the worst prognostic factor (along with malicious fire starting and wetting/messing oneself intentionally.) Cruelty to common house hold pets is worse in that hierarchy than say cruelty to a bug or something repulsive. Those studies have been extended to include a belief that in adults animal cruelty is a marker for more severe forms of sociopathic behavior and lack of empathy for one's fellow man.

But isn't this also a cultural thing? I don't think all fans of bullfighting are sociopaths. I know a Filipino playwright that has included cock fighting in a number of his plays as a way to explore coming into manhood. I'm not trying to defend Vick in any way, but it would seem that cultural norms have to play a very big role in determining the meaning of a love for animal fighting.

I would also think that there is a difference between an organized fighting ring and animal torture, but I don't know about that.

Eaglesfan27 · 05-15-2007, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by JPhillips

But isn't this also a cultural thing? I don't think all fans of bullfighting are sociopaths. I know a Filipino playwright that has included cock fighting in a number of his plays as a way to explore coming into manhood. I'm not trying to defend Vick in any way, but it would seem that cultural norms have to play a very big role in determining the meaning of a love for animal fighting.

I would also think that there is a difference between an organized fighting ring and animal torture, but I don't know about that.

Actually, at least one of the studies I know of is cross cultural. People who like to see animals kill each other usually have some degree of sociopathy, even if it is just a little. It is just a marker or indicator and doesn't mean that someone is a sociopath. However, it does indicate they are more likely to be one (at least if you believe the studies.)

My personal opinion is that it is among the most despicable things, and I'll never be a fan of Vick's again if this looks likely to be true.

JPhillips · 05-15-2007, 02:38 PM

Interesting. Thanks EF27.

TazFTW · 05-18-2007, 01:07 AM

Huh?

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Originally Posted by KFFL

Packers | B. Jackson unable to attend team's minicamp
Thu, 17 May 2007 21:35:45 -0700
John Clayton, of ESPN.com, reports Green Bay Packers RB Brandon Jackson will not be able to take part in the team's minicamp this weekend. He received an invitation to participate in this weekend's Premiere event in Los Angeles, where top selected skill players attend photo card shoots, contend for endorsements and receive television exposure. The NFLPA and the Management Council ruled this week that Jackson must attend the Premiere event and not the minicamp. "I'm being held out against my will. I was told I either have to go home and do nothing or go to Los Angeles. They are locking me out against my will," Jackson said. Jackson used his agent, Gary Wichard, to notify the league of the conflict and informed officials he wanted to attend the minicamp. He did show up this week to get started on training and learning the playbook. "I feel like I need to learn the plays so I can come back and try to win a starting job in the fall. I've only had four or five practices with the veterans, but my agent told me the collective bargaining agreement couldn't let me go to the minicamp," Jackson added.

stevew · 05-18-2007, 05:19 AM

Yeah, I saw that bit about Jackson, and it really made no sense.

JeeberD · 05-18-2007, 11:00 AM

Finally, some GOOD news out of the NFL. At least one player has his priorities straight...

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/4815188.html

30 becomes someone's lucky number thanks to Texans' Green, Simmons

By MEGAN MANFULL
Copyright 2007 Houston Chronicle

Texans running back Ahman Green asked around the locker room before he even approached Jason Simmons. Green wanted to know if he was wasting his time.

He didn't know Simmons well, and, even more importantly, he didn't know how attached the Texans safety was to the No. 30.

"Everybody was like, 'He's a good guy. He's going to work something out with you someway or somehow,' " Green said.

Green, who started wearing 30 even before attending Nebraska, became optimistic but still wasn't sure what it might cost him. The tradition around the NFL is that if you want someone else's number, you pay them.

When Green finally asked, Simmons shocked him.

"He said, 'Sure, but I'd like you to make a down payment on a single-parent home through a foundation or charity,' " Green said. "I was like, 'Yeah I'm all on board. That's easy. Tell me where to write the check to.'

"So instead of putting the money into his pocket, he's going to put in into somebody else's home and help them get their life started."

Simmons had no personal connection to the number 30. He wore 23 for four seasons with the Pittsburgh Steelers. When he arrived in Houston as a free agent before the 2002 season, they handed him 30.

Now, he will wear No. 22.

"It was the first number I saw," Simmons said of 22. "I don't care. Just put me on the field, and I'll play with any number."

No. 30 does mean something to Simmons now, and he also knows it will soon mean something to a worthy family in the community.

Simmons always found it a little ridiculous that players pay each other for certain numbers. But now, he is excited about how that old NFL tradition will be put toward a good cause.

"It's kind of tough for me to take money from another guy," Simmons said. "I don't need that. We'll go out and help the community, because this city has stuck by us. If we can go out and show that we're with the community and we appreciate all that they've done, I think it's a good thing."

Attention will help

Simmons has worked with various charities during his 10-year career, but it's usually been done with little fanfare. This time it's going to be different. Green was the first to speak out about their plans, but Simmons doesn't mind the attention.

They will reveal more details once they finalize their plans.

"It's not about getting credit for it," Simmons said. "But the way I look at it now is that I can get more people involved. It's time now to broaden my horizons, and if I can follow the same game plan, we can help more people out instead of just one person."

'Good role models'

It's that type of collaboration between Green and Simmons that coach Gary Kubiak values. He wants to build the team around youth but puts value on players who set positive examples on and off the field.

"When Ahman Green walks on this football field, it's instant respect because of the way he has played and stuff," Kubiak said. "But the guys we have on this team that are up in years, so to speak, are classy guys. And that's what we want, because we have such a young group that they have to have good role models every day, and I think we have that right now."

Logan · 05-18-2007, 12:37 PM

Sweet, awesome job.

This should be cross-posted with the Braylon Edwards thread.

Eaglesfan27 · 05-18-2007, 12:43 PM

Very cool. Thanks for posting Jeeber. Simmons immediately vaults to my list of players that I'll root for.

SunDevil · 05-18-2007, 01:21 PM

very cool. Maybe this happens all the time or not that often, but it is always good to hear about it.

Mizzou B-ball fan · 05-21-2007, 02:17 PM

KC media outlets reporting that the Dolphins corporate jet is on the ground here in KC. Sounds like the deal for Trent Green may finally be done.

jeff061 · 05-21-2007, 05:35 PM

Seau resigns with the Pats. He helped out much more on the field than I was expecting last year, so it's nice to have him back.

Ksyrup · 05-23-2007, 04:10 PM

Oops! Wanna Get Away?

Steelers employee e-mails porn to NFL

Posted: Wednesday May 23, 2007 06:15AM ET

The Steelers confirmed yesterday that one of their employees sent an "inappropriate e-mail" message from the club office to "unintended recipients" last week, violating club and NFL policy. ProFootballTalk.com first reported that Steelers line coach Larry Zierlein inadvertently forwarded an e-mail he received from Doug Whaley, the Steelers' pro personnel coordinator, to multiple high-level team employees and their secretaries throughout the NFL, including commissioner Roger Goodell.

MikeVic · 05-23-2007, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Ksyrup

Oops! Wanna Get Away?

Steelers employee e-mails porn to NFL

Posted: Wednesday May 23, 2007 06:15AM ET

The Steelers confirmed yesterday that one of their employees sent an "inappropriate e-mail" message from the club office to "unintended recipients" last week, violating club and NFL policy. ProFootballTalk.com first reported that Steelers line coach Larry Zierlein inadvertently forwarded an e-mail he received from Doug Whaley, the Steelers' pro personnel coordinator, to multiple high-level team employees and their secretaries throughout the NFL, including commissioner Roger Goodell.

Hahaha. I bet it was just one of those funny chain-letter type of e-mails that contain a humorours sexual pic and/or movie.

larrymcg421 · 05-23-2007, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

KC media outlets reporting that the Dolphins corporate jet is on the ground here in KC. Sounds like the deal for Trent Green may finally be done.

That should be quite a training camp for the Dolphins. They'll have three guys battling for the starting job.

B & B · 05-23-2007, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeVic

Hahaha. I bet it was just one of those funny chain-letter type of e-mails that contain a humorours sexual pic and/or movie.

Take it a step further. Its probably that Camel Toe music bit set to the Beach Boys thats flying around cyberspace.

Ksyrup · 06-04-2007, 03:07 PM

No surprise here:

Tank Johnson gets 8 game suspension.

albionmoonlight · 06-05-2007, 09:21 AM

Saints first round pick WR Robert Meachem is having arthroscopic surgery on his knee. He should be ready to go in time for training camp.

DaddyTorgo · 06-05-2007, 09:57 AM

Asante Samuel is threatening to not report till Week 10, since he hasn't signed the franchise tender yet.

Dr. Sak · 06-05-2007, 10:26 AM

Samuel says he feels unappreciated. Just shut the fuck up and play.

rkmsuf · 06-05-2007, 10:31 AM

don't play then sucka. you ain't all that and the pats will let you rot there I bet.

stevew · 06-05-2007, 10:38 AM

Samuel is going to probably make at least 3 times his previous 4 years earnings this year. Shut the fuck up and play, and sign your tender before they pull it. Next year he's guaranteed to make about 9.5 million if they refranchise, or he'll become a FA. Play your ass off this year, and it'll take care of itself....you ain't champ Bailey or even Nate Clements yet...close though I suppose.

Ksyrup · 06-05-2007, 10:41 AM

This feels like Groundhog's Day.

rkmsuf · 06-05-2007, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Ksyrup

This feels like Groundhog's Day.

Groundhog's Day?

Isn't it just Groundhog Day?

Malificent · 06-05-2007, 10:47 AM

I understand where he's coming from - he needs to make his money now while he's young and has the leverage. We all know that veterans have no weight in the NFL - that's the way the league works. If he signs the tender, plays, and blows out a knee or something in game 4, he's losing a huge amount of money. $7m+ is definitely a lot of money, but I can't fault him for thinking about future earnings. He and the Patriots don't take it personally, just part of the business of the NFL.

st.cronin · 06-05-2007, 10:52 AM

I appreciate Samuel.

gottimd · 06-05-2007, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by rkmsuf

Groundhog's Day?

Isn't it just Groundhog Day?

Not the day the Groundhogs revolted against humanity, that is referred to as Groundhog's day.

Ksyrup · 06-05-2007, 10:56 AM

Let the groundhogs have their fucking day. It's just one day! I give them permission to own that one day.

rkmsuf · 06-05-2007, 10:57 AM

I can't wait for the "Pats tell Asante Samuel to s*ck it" thread.

gottimd · 06-05-2007, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by rkmsuf

I can't wait for the "Pats tell Asante Samuel to s*ck it" thread.

Sack it? A CB blitz?

BishopMVP · 06-05-2007, 01:57 PM

Asante does assume some risk there though. If he comes back rusty in Week 10 and looks average/above-average for the remainder of the season, teams might dismiss 2006 as a career year and he'll cost himself some $$$, although not as much as an injury would.

From a team standpoint, it's not the worst thing. The Patriots are good enough to make the playoffs regardless of whether Asante is there the first half, so this lets them develop the Ellis Hobbs, Randall Gay's and Brandon Meriwether's of the team. Then if Asante comes back and gets to full speed by playoff time, they've got depth in case of injury (which recent years showed, and especially with Harrison and Gay back there, it's likely.)

Of course, I'd still love it if we signed him by July 15, or he showed up by Week 1, which still has a decent chance of happening.

rkmsuf · 06-05-2007, 02:07 PM

I don't want to see the Pats lock up a ton of money on this guy long term. Franchise tag makes all the sense in the world. He had a great year yes but he's looking for elite money probably and the guy just isn't an elite corner.

He's on the wrong team to push for a huge deal at corner. That is not the operating procedure of this staff.

BishopMVP · 06-05-2007, 03:14 PM

When I say I'd love if we signed him longer-term by July 15, that's if he's coming down near where what we wanted to pay, rather than us paying him close to what he's asking (which won't happen.)

M GO BLUE!!! · 06-05-2007, 07:19 PM

Well, 'Fins fans, you got your QB... better protect him!

Groundhog · 06-05-2007, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by rkmsuf

Groundhog's Day?

Isn't it just Groundhog Day?

It's Groundhog's day everyday, MoFo!

Vinatieri for Prez · 06-06-2007, 12:33 AM

Two things:

Samuel, sign the tender and buy some FUCKING INSURANCE. Enough already about all these players whining about possible career injuries and I need my money now, and the media constantly buying into this crap. The real reason though is he wants his money now because teams will see after next season that indeed he is good, but no Champ Bailey.

Second, the Pats don't need a defense anyways. Randy Moss, baby. YEAH.

(I'll let you decide which of those two points I actually believe)

Atocep · 06-06-2007, 12:41 AM

At least his agent isn't Drew Rosenhaus.

bulletsponge · 06-06-2007, 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Vinatieri for Prez

Two things:

Samuel, sign the tender and buy some FUCKING INSURANCE. Enough already about all these players whining about possible career injuries and I need my money now, and the media constantly buying into this crap. The real reason though is he wants his money now because teams will see after next season that indeed he is good, but no Champ Bailey.

Second, the Pats don't need a defense anyways. Randy Moss, baby. YEAH.

(I'll let you decide which of those two points I actually believe)

Hmmmm, you love Randy Moss?

05-15-2007, 08:11 AM	#1161
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	If that evidence is there, this guy is going to get roasted for not bring charges against Vick. I mean, not only is there supposedly evidence that he actively participated, but he owns the damn property! At some point, those witness statements will be made public and this guy will have to answer for what he did (or failed to do). Then again, it could be that he has the evidence and is keeping everything close to the vest so as not to allow leaks, which might mean he's planning to charge Vick. Who knows. __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete." Last edited by Ksyrup : 05-15-2007 at 08:12 AM.

05-15-2007, 08:13 AM	#1162
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	Yeah, my last point is related to the Duke thing. Maybe he's keeping the investigators and other 3rd parties out of it to lessen the chances of information getting out before he decides what to do. If the evidence is what they say it is, maybe he doesn't need any help in making this decision - he just doesn't want many people knowing what the decision is. __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

05-15-2007, 08:15 AM	#1163
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	I wonder what he means by a "conclusion in 7 to 10 days." I guess that could mean the investigation concludes, or the case concludes. The author seems to think it means the case, but I don't necessarily read it that way. __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

05-15-2007, 02:38 PM	#1166
JPhillips Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Newburgh, NY	Interesting. Thanks EF27. __________________ To love someone is to strive to accept that person exactly the way he or she is, right here and now.. - Mr. Rogers

05-18-2007, 11:00 AM	#1169
JeeberD General Manager Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Town of Flower Mound	Finally, some GOOD news out of the NFL. At least one player has his priorities straight... http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/4815188.html 30 becomes someone's lucky number thanks to Texans' Green, Simmons By MEGAN MANFULL Copyright 2007 Houston Chronicle Texans running back Ahman Green asked around the locker room before he even approached Jason Simmons. Green wanted to know if he was wasting his time. He didn't know Simmons well, and, even more importantly, he didn't know how attached the Texans safety was to the No. 30. "Everybody was like, 'He's a good guy. He's going to work something out with you someway or somehow,' " Green said. Green, who started wearing 30 even before attending Nebraska, became optimistic but still wasn't sure what it might cost him. The tradition around the NFL is that if you want someone else's number, you pay them. When Green finally asked, Simmons shocked him. "He said, 'Sure, but I'd like you to make a down payment on a single-parent home through a foundation or charity,' " Green said. "I was like, 'Yeah I'm all on board. That's easy. Tell me where to write the check to.' "So instead of putting the money into his pocket, he's going to put in into somebody else's home and help them get their life started." Simmons had no personal connection to the number 30. He wore 23 for four seasons with the Pittsburgh Steelers. When he arrived in Houston as a free agent before the 2002 season, they handed him 30. Now, he will wear No. 22. "It was the first number I saw," Simmons said of 22. "I don't care. Just put me on the field, and I'll play with any number." No. 30 does mean something to Simmons now, and he also knows it will soon mean something to a worthy family in the community. Simmons always found it a little ridiculous that players pay each other for certain numbers. But now, he is excited about how that old NFL tradition will be put toward a good cause. "It's kind of tough for me to take money from another guy," Simmons said. "I don't need that. We'll go out and help the community, because this city has stuck by us. If we can go out and show that we're with the community and we appreciate all that they've done, I think it's a good thing." Attention will help Simmons has worked with various charities during his 10-year career, but it's usually been done with little fanfare. This time it's going to be different. Green was the first to speak out about their plans, but Simmons doesn't mind the attention. They will reveal more details once they finalize their plans. "It's not about getting credit for it," Simmons said. "But the way I look at it now is that I can get more people involved. It's time now to broaden my horizons, and if I can follow the same game plan, we can help more people out instead of just one person." 'Good role models' It's that type of collaboration between Green and Simmons that coach Gary Kubiak values. He wants to build the team around youth but puts value on players who set positive examples on and off the field. "When Ahman Green walks on this football field, it's instant respect because of the way he has played and stuff," Kubiak said. "But the guys we have on this team that are up in years, so to speak, are classy guys. And that's what we want, because we have such a young group that they have to have good role models every day, and I think we have that right now." __________________ UTEP Miners!!! I solemnly swear to never cheer for TO

05-14-2007, 12:09 PM	#1153
Atocep Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Puyallup, WA	My hate for the Patriots rivals my hate for the Yankees, but I think Moss will be fine in New England. He's the type of person that can't function in a losing environment. I'm not saying what he's done is ok or anything of that nature, but I really don't believe you'll see it in New England. Moss for a 4th rounder will go down as the steal of the draft. He's going to play with a QB that he knows can get him the ball, a coach he'll respect, and he's playing for a contract.

05-14-2007, 12:16 PM	#1157
Vinatieri for Prez College Starter Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle	I guess all I can say is I'll need other confirmation before I believe a bitter Walsh that Randy blew 14 of 28 assignments. I'm not saying it didn't happen. I'm not saying it did either.

05-15-2007, 08:09 AM	#1160
albionmoonlight Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: North Carolina	dola- Though having lived through the whole Duke Rape disgrace up here, I can say that I appreciate a prosecuting attorney who does not talk about charges in the media.

05-18-2007, 05:19 AM	#1168
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	Yeah, I saw that bit about Jackson, and it really made no sense.

05-18-2007, 12:37 PM	#1170
Logan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: NYC	Sweet, awesome job. This should be cross-posted with the Braylon Edwards thread.

05-18-2007, 12:43 PM	#1171
Eaglesfan27 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: New Jersey	Very cool. Thanks for posting Jeeber. Simmons immediately vaults to my list of players that I'll root for. __________________ Retired GM of the eNFL 2007 Super Bowl Champion Philadelphia Eagles (19-0 record.) GM of the WOOF 2006 Doggie Bowl Champion Atlantic City Gamblers. GM of the IHOF 2019 and 2022 IHOF Bowl Champion Asheville Axemen.

05-21-2007, 02:17 PM	#1173
Mizzou B-ball fan General Manager Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Kansas City, MO	KC media outlets reporting that the Dolphins corporate jet is on the ground here in KC. Sounds like the deal for Trent Green may finally be done.

05-21-2007, 05:35 PM	#1174
jeff061 Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: MA	Seau resigns with the Pats. He helped out much more on the field than I was expecting last year, so it's nice to have him back. __________________

05-23-2007, 04:10 PM	#1175
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	Oops! Wanna Get Away? Steelers employee e-mails porn to NFL Posted: Wednesday May 23, 2007 06:15AM ET The Steelers confirmed yesterday that one of their employees sent an "inappropriate e-mail" message from the club office to "unintended recipients" last week, violating club and NFL policy. ProFootballTalk.com first reported that Steelers line coach Larry Zierlein inadvertently forwarded an e-mail he received from Doug Whaley, the Steelers' pro personnel coordinator, to multiple high-level team employees and their secretaries throughout the NFL, including commissioner Roger Goodell. __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

06-04-2007, 03:07 PM	#1179
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	No surprise here: Tank Johnson gets 8 game suspension. __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

06-05-2007, 09:21 AM	#1180
albionmoonlight Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: North Carolina	Saints first round pick WR Robert Meachem is having arthroscopic surgery on his knee. He should be ready to go in time for training camp.

06-05-2007, 09:57 AM	#1181
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	Asante Samuel is threatening to not report till Week 10, since he hasn't signed the franchise tender yet.

06-05-2007, 10:26 AM	#1182
Dr. Sak Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Stuck in Yinzerville, PA	Samuel says he feels unappreciated. Just shut the fuck up and play.

06-05-2007, 10:31 AM	#1183
rkmsuf Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2001	don't play then sucka. you ain't all that and the pats will let you rot there I bet. __________________ "Don't you have homes?" -- Judge Smales

06-05-2007, 10:38 AM	#1184
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	Samuel is going to probably make at least 3 times his previous 4 years earnings this year. Shut the fuck up and play, and sign your tender before they pull it. Next year he's guaranteed to make about 9.5 million if they refranchise, or he'll become a FA. Play your ass off this year, and it'll take care of itself....you ain't champ Bailey or even Nate Clements yet...close though I suppose.

06-05-2007, 10:41 AM	#1185
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	This feels like Groundhog's Day. __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

06-05-2007, 10:47 AM	#1187
Malificent High School JV Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Durham, NC, USA	I understand where he's coming from - he needs to make his money now while he's young and has the leverage. We all know that veterans have no weight in the NFL - that's the way the league works. If he signs the tender, plays, and blows out a knee or something in game 4, he's losing a huge amount of money. $7m+ is definitely a lot of money, but I can't fault him for thinking about future earnings. He and the Patriots don't take it personally, just part of the business of the NFL.

06-05-2007, 10:52 AM	#1188
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	I appreciate Samuel. __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

06-05-2007, 10:56 AM	#1190
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	Let the groundhogs have their fucking day. It's just one day! I give them permission to own that one day. __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

06-05-2007, 10:57 AM	#1191
rkmsuf Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2001	I can't wait for the "Pats tell Asante Samuel to s*ck it" thread. __________________ "Don't you have homes?" -- Judge Smales

06-05-2007, 01:57 PM	#1193
BishopMVP Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Concord, MA/UMass	Asante does assume some risk there though. If he comes back rusty in Week 10 and looks average/above-average for the remainder of the season, teams might dismiss 2006 as a career year and he'll cost himself some $$$, although not as much as an injury would. From a team standpoint, it's not the worst thing. The Patriots are good enough to make the playoffs regardless of whether Asante is there the first half, so this lets them develop the Ellis Hobbs, Randall Gay's and Brandon Meriwether's of the team. Then if Asante comes back and gets to full speed by playoff time, they've got depth in case of injury (which recent years showed, and especially with Harrison and Gay back there, it's likely.) Of course, I'd still love it if we signed him by July 15, or he showed up by Week 1, which still has a decent chance of happening.

06-05-2007, 02:07 PM	#1194
rkmsuf Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2001	I don't want to see the Pats lock up a ton of money on this guy long term. Franchise tag makes all the sense in the world. He had a great year yes but he's looking for elite money probably and the guy just isn't an elite corner. He's on the wrong team to push for a huge deal at corner. That is not the operating procedure of this staff. __________________ "Don't you have homes?" -- Judge Smales

06-05-2007, 03:14 PM	#1195
BishopMVP Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Concord, MA/UMass	When I say I'd love if we signed him longer-term by July 15, that's if he's coming down near where what we wanted to pay, rather than us paying him close to what he's asking (which won't happen.)

06-05-2007, 07:19 PM	#1196
M GO BLUE!!! Pro Starter Join Date: Sep 2005	Well, 'Fins fans, you got your QB... better protect him!

06-06-2007, 12:33 AM	#1198
Vinatieri for Prez College Starter Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle	Two things: Samuel, sign the tender and buy some FUCKING INSURANCE. Enough already about all these players whining about possible career injuries and I need my money now, and the media constantly buying into this crap. The real reason though is he wants his money now because teams will see after next season that indeed he is good, but no Champ Bailey. Second, the Pats don't need a defense anyways. Randy Moss, baby. YEAH. (I'll let you decide which of those two points I actually believe)

06-06-2007, 12:41 AM	#1199
Atocep Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Puyallup, WA	At least his agent isn't Drew Rosenhaus.

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