NBC: Heroes - Page 24

cthomer5000 · 02-07-2007, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Travis

I'm assuming anything contained in the graphic novels is fair game for discussion?

My personal feeling on this would be a disctinct "no." This is a thread about a TV show, and even speicifcally has NBC in the title. I wouldn't talk about anything that didn't happen on the TV show.

BrianD · 02-07-2007, 05:39 PM

There seem to be at least a handful of people that are avoiding the graphic novels because they are spoilerish.

Travis · 02-07-2007, 05:42 PM

Well, to counterpoint, it's NBC putting out the comic addons, information they want out there, but not necessarily having time to include in the show

Not sure why the information there would be considered spoilers, but if that's the case, I'm assuming there'd be no objection to a seperate thread that will allow for discussion of information revealed in said novels.

Mr. Wednesday · 02-07-2007, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Travis

My bad. It was bugging me, so I looked it back up on wiki, and it's reference from two of the graphic novels that are being put out after/between episodes. I've yet to read these (plan on catching up this weekend), so I guess the level of spoiler depends on what's being followed I guess. I'm assuming anything contained in the graphic novels is fair game for discussion?

From my point of view, "stale" information from the comics is OK but anything previewing stuff that will come up later in the show is still basically spoilers.

To take one example, issue 11 gave a show spoiler in that it showed that Sylar had not broken out after the confrontation with Eden. It wasn't appropriate to discuss that at the time, but it was IMO fine once the next show came and we saw that Sylar was still locked up.

Franklinnoble · 02-07-2007, 06:41 PM

For those of us on the West Coast, this thread is ALWAYS full of spoilers. I don't see what the point is of trying to make it spoiler-free.

Izulde · 02-07-2007, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Franklinnoble

For those of us on the West Coast, this thread is ALWAYS full of spoilers. I don't see what the point is of trying to make it spoiler-free.

It's very simple.

Don't look in the thread until after you've watched the episode. That's what a lot of people do, including me.

cthomer5000 · 02-07-2007, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Franklinnoble

For those of us on the West Coast, this thread is ALWAYS full of spoilers. I don't see what the point is of trying to make it spoiler-free.

Wouldn't you realize you should maybe just avoid the thread in the 3 hours between it airing in EST and PST?

wade moore · 02-07-2007, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Franklinnoble

For those of us on the West Coast, this thread is ALWAYS full of spoilers. I don't see what the point is of trying to make it spoiler-free.

Things that happen on the show and things from an "outside" source are TOTALLY different.

FrogMan · 02-07-2007, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by cthomer5000

Wouldn't you realize you should maybe just avoid the thread in the 3 hours between it airing in EST and PST?

yeah. I can't be home before 9:15 on Mondays so I record the show and watch it at 10. Sure enough, once I get on the computer, there's already been a notification of a post in the thread, I simply avoid it until I've watched it...

I will probably read the graphic novel once the season is over, but it just kinda bums me that you should read them to get to the bottom of the story...

FM

BrianD · 02-07-2007, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Izulde

It's very simple.

Don't look in the thread until after you've watched the episode. That's what a lot of people do, including me.

Considering the fact that this thread exists to discuss the show, and over the life of the thread, most of the activity happens right after a show airs, your advice shouldn't be necessary. Notice I say "shouldn't" because apparently it is.

Draft Dodger · 02-07-2007, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Wednesday

From my point of view, "stale" information from the comics is OK but anything previewing stuff that will come up later in the show is still basically spoilers.

I agree

Travis · 02-08-2007, 12:46 AM

I'll try to stay away from bringing up any novel related information until I'm sure it's mentioned in the show, but I have to admit, it seems a bit odd that information put out by the company running the show, between episodes should be considered spoilers. It's public information and obviously material they're intending to work with the show, not against it. Seems silly if we had to have a second thread just to involve commentary on information contained there.

And well, mostly my memory is bad and I forget where I see the information, so I'll try to be good.

wade moore · 02-08-2007, 05:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Travis

I'll try to stay away from bringing up any novel related information until I'm sure it's mentioned in the show, but I have to admit, it seems a bit odd that information put out by the company running the show, between episodes should be considered spoilers. It's public information and obviously material they're intending to work with the show, not against it. Seems silly if we had to have a second thread just to involve commentary on information contained there.

And well, mostly my memory is bad and I forget where I see the information, so I'll try to be good.

Sorry, it's not part of the show. The idea that they have this seperate info is stupid, but it often tells things that will be shockers later in the show.

If it becomes standard form to post that stuff in this thread, I guarantee you this thread becomes much less active - so if you want active talk about it, deal with it and don't post stuff from the novels that is spoilerish.

gottimd · 02-08-2007, 06:25 AM

Just because I am curious, but are things not spoilers? Most note that they haven't seen it so it is a spoiler so it shouldn't be posted. Technically, if I was someone who just started watching the show last night, anything discussed here is a spoiler so the entire thread should be deleted until I am all caught up.

Where does it end? I think after the show has been publicly aired, its fair game, but only to make speculations on future shows and discuss what has already happened. If you haven't seen it, wait to view the thread. If you choose to view it, beware that there maybe spoilers but life will absolutely continue on.

I agree with the fact if you come across info that is to be revealed in a future episode, don't discuss it here because people will get upset. If the show has aired or you are discussing your speculations based off of the 10 second preview of next week, its fair game.

wade moore · 02-08-2007, 06:33 AM

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Originally Posted by gottimd

Just because I am curious, but are things not spoilers? Most note that they haven't seen it so it is a spoiler so it shouldn't be posted. Technically, if I was someone who just started watching the show last night, anything discussed here is a spoiler so the entire thread should be deleted until I am all caught up.

Where does it end? I think after the show has been publicly aired, its fair game, but only to make speculations on future shows and discuss what has already happened. If you haven't seen it, wait to view the thread. If you choose to view it, beware that there maybe spoilers but life will absolutely continue on.

I agree with the fact if you come across info that is to be revealed in a future episode, don't discuss it here because people will get upset. If the show has aired or you are discussing your speculations based off of the 10 second preview of next week, its fair game.

Totally agreed.

lordscarlet · 02-08-2007, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Travis

My bad. It was bugging me, so I looked it back up on wiki, and it's reference from two of the graphic novels that are being put out after/between episodes. I've yet to read these (plan on catching up this weekend), so I guess the level of spoiler depends on what's being followed I guess. I'm assuming anything contained in the graphic novels is fair game for discussion?

I think the graphic novels are fair game to discuss. That's why I asked.

I have not read them, but I think talking about them here is fine.

wade moore · 02-08-2007, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by lordscarlet

I think the graphic novels are fair game to discuss. That's why I asked.

I have not read them, but I think talking about them here is fine.

Totally disagree. If they reveal key plot elements that have not been revealed in the show, they are not fair game.

If they are fair game, then I (and I suspect many others) will stop visiting this thread.

gottimd · 02-08-2007, 09:21 AM

I've read some of the comics and I would have to say they do nothing to spoil the future possible events. They more provide a more detailed background. The last 3-4 of them introduce a character that hasn't been seen on the show on TV, so I agree that those comics are spoilers and shouldn't be discussed.

However many of them, for instance, fill in the gaps that the show leaves out most likely due to time constraints (Edens background, Hiro's story, etc).

The introduction of the new character stops at that though. They give the background and that is all, so essentially, correct me if I am wrong, it doesn't necessarily spoil anything other than the fact that there will be a new character at some point and nothing else.

I don't really pay much attention to them other than referring to them after an episode happened. Earlier in this thread I referenced them to clarify a backstory of a character and to openly discuss my speculation, which was wrong anyways.

wade moore · 02-08-2007, 09:25 AM

I don't think the Novels themselves are off-limits, but certain elements - like the specific one above that breaks down a HUGE plot point that has been rife for speculation even in this thread, and now someone just ruins it.

Eaglesfan27 · 02-08-2007, 10:00 AM

I agree with Wade's points. Personally, I'm worried about what spoilers I may read in the novels/comics and am planning on waiting until the entire season is over to go back and read them to fill in any gaps. I don't want to know anything about new characters that haven't appeared on the show or in the 10 second preview at the end of a show.

Celeval · 02-08-2007, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by wade moore

I don't think the Novels themselves are off-limits, but certain elements - like the specific one above that breaks down a HUGE plot point that has been rife for speculation even in this thread, and now someone just ruins it.

FWIW, if you're talking about the initial post at the end of the last page, the online novels (which I've read) still only imply, and don't state. It's implied that something in particular is causing the... er... thingie. And it's stated that this something in particular is used in a particular fashion in other environments. However, the connection made between them is made as an assumption by a character who doesn't have full knowledge of the situation; in fact, none of the people involved in that particular issue would have anywhere near full knowledge of the situation. If we were discussing theories, I've got a couple counters to the suggestion in the last page (from the wiki).

I'm not saying they might not be right, but it's definately conjecture from a little more information, it's not a definite answer to a question.

wade moore · 02-08-2007, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Celeval

FWIW, if you're talking about the initial post at the end of the last page, the online novels (which I've read) still only imply, and don't state. It's implied that something in particular is causing the... er... thingie. And it's stated that this something in particular is used in a particular fashion in other environments. However, the connection made between them is made as an assumption by a character who doesn't have full knowledge of the situation; in fact, none of the people involved in that particular issue would have anywhere near full knowledge of the situation. If we were discussing theories, I've got a couple counters to the suggestion in the last page (from the wiki).

I'm not saying they might not be right, but it's definately conjecture from a little more information, it's not a definite answer to a question.

Fair point, and good to know. Makes it not quite so bad imo.

gottimd · 02-08-2007, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Celeval

FWIW, if you're talking about the initial post at the end of the last page...

Post #?

I try and keep spoilers out the best I can from what I discuss on here. I mainly talk about my speculations (which are horribly wrong anyways

) and the discussion of the most recently aired show. I don't post at 10:01PM EST and talk about the episode, and I don't think many others do either. People who post immediately after the show talk about how good the episode was or how they like the show or a funny line they heard in the show.

Am I wrong to think that a day or two afterwards of the initial airing of that episode, its ok to discuss on here?

Celeval · 02-08-2007, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27

I agree with Wade's points. Personally, I'm worried about what spoilers I may read in the novels/comics and am planning on waiting until the entire season is over to go back and read them to fill in any gaps. I don't want to know anything about new characters that haven't appeared on the show or in the 10 second preview at the end of a show.

The only thing is... I guess, there's a difference between spoilers that come from casting (hey, we know that D.L. isn't the mindwipe guy because they're different actors), spoilers that come from interviews or leaked info (hey - watch for person A to break up with person B in season 3), and stuff that's officially released.

wade moore · 02-08-2007, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by gottimd

Post #?

I try and keep spoilers out the best I can from what I discuss on here. I mainly talk about my speculations (which are horribly wrong anyways

) and the discussion of the most recently aired show. I don't post at 10:01PM EST and talk about the episode, and I don't think many others do either. People who post immediately after the show talk about how good the episode was or how they like the show or a funny line they heard in the show.

Am I wrong to think that a day or two afterwards of the initial airing of that episode, its ok to discuss on here?

I think you're missing the line...

I think FN is the only one talking about discussing the episode after it aired. To me, you can discuss it AS it's airing and that is fine. If you don't want to know, don't come in here (I rarely watch it live and generally come in this thread a day or two later). What some of us are getting up in arms about is information from outside of the episode (whether it be the Graphic Novel here, TVGuide as jb did early in the season, etc).

gottimd · 02-08-2007, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by wade moore

I think you're missing the line...

I think FN is the only one talking about discussing the episode after it aired. To me, you can discuss it AS it's airing and that is fine. If you don't want to know, don't come in here (I rarely watch it live and generally come in this thread a day or two later). What some of us are getting up in arms about is information from outside of the episode (whether it be the Graphic Novel here, TVGuide as jb did early in the season, etc).

I understand and agree with you, but I am addressing the talk of an episode after it airs.

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Originally Posted by celeval

(hey - watch for person A to break up with person B in season 3),

I can't believe you just spoiled it for me, I was hoping Person B to do the breaking up!

Celeval · 02-08-2007, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by gottimd

Post #?

#1148

Celeval · 02-08-2007, 10:34 AM

A good characterization of the novels (I think, at least - this came out of an IM discussion with wade) is Lost. One of the complaints about Lost is that the pacing sucks and they don't spend enough time on the island and there are too many flashbacks. To me, the novels are like if you took out 50% of the flashbacks, turned them into comic books and put them online along with the episode. Keeps the pacing of the show better, it's not like you can't understand what's happening with just what is in the show, but there are things you find out more about; and sometime you know before they happen in visual.

Toddzilla · 02-08-2007, 10:51 AM

I missed the very end of the show - DVR cut off as Claire's mom was dialing the phone...

Can someone please PM me and let me know

(1) Who's her daddy?
(2) What was in the preview.

THANKS!

cthomer5000 · 02-08-2007, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Toddzilla

(1) Who's her daddy?

(2) What was in the preview.

THANKS!

Nathan Petrelli is her father

I honestly forget what was in the preview, or i might not have even watched it.

ISiddiqui · 02-08-2007, 12:22 PM

Chalk me down for saying what is in the novels should be fair game. It's officially released by the show, so I'm not sure about it being off limits. And like said, it seems silly to, say, create another thread on the stuff in the novels.

wade moore · 02-08-2007, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

Chalk me down for saying what is in the novels should be fair game. It's officially released by the show, so I'm not sure about it being off limits. And like said, it seems silly to, say, create another thread on the stuff in the novels.

Well, again, if the spoiler type stuff from novels starts being posted here, just understand that some segment (i don't know what segment, but it includes me) will no longer be participating in this thread.

Travis · 02-08-2007, 01:19 PM

I have a question that has perplexed me since the start of this discussion.

To those that feel the novels shouldn't be discussed because they're spoilerish, well, why?

I guess I'd understand if it was a medium not available to everybody, but it'd surprise me if any discussing the show here didn't have a chance to check them out or if they were provided third party/outside the consent of those managing the televised portion of the show.

I suppose my thinking here is to use any and all information provided by the company to help educate what will still likely be false theories on where the story/characters will go. The premise of the novels has to be information that creates more depth for the show, but that is ultimately not necessary to understanding the plot/characters for those that don't have the ability to access them. Mostly looking for why some really feel that inclusion or viewing of these novels will either wreck/ruin/etc the televised portion of the show.

Personally, I've found the preview clip of the next week's episode to be much more spoilerish than a majority of what is contained in the novels (that I've been through so far today).

More of a curious thing now more than anything else. Definitely not my intention to drive anybody away from the show discussion, but depending on how long the show goes/what background information is given, those that read the novels may indeed have to branch off to another thread in the future as their opinions/predictions can't help but be based on some information learned through the novels, so they may unintentionally make a statement that would infer portions of that acquired knowledge without really meaning to (or thinking that they're leaving out what they should, but connections made in theories rely on something read, etc).

Mr. Wednesday · 02-08-2007, 01:51 PM

The novels aren't completely verboten, the line that we're trying to draw, I think, is situations where the novels have stuff that's spoilerish for the show. So basic background info on existing characters is OK, IMO the material in novel 11 is OK now that we know from the show that Sylar didn't escape then (but wasn't OK before that). Character previews where the characters haven't come into the show yet are not OK. Additional info about scenes where the scene has not been paid off yet are not OK (see novel 11 for the clearest example of what I mean).

Toddzilla · 02-08-2007, 01:52 PM

methinks we should keep this thread true to it's original intent - to discuss the television show and the show alone. I know the graphic novels are intended as a supplement to the show, but I don't see the harm if the people who which to discuss them start their own thread in which to do so. I *do* see the potential for harm by injecting info from the novels into this thread. I'll be reading both, in any case.

ISiddiqui · 02-08-2007, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Travis

Personally, I've found the preview clip of the next week's episode to be much more spoilerish than a majority of what is contained in the novels (that I've been through so far today).

Funny you say that. On another forum I used to frequent, they would make discussion regarding the 'preview clip' to be in spoiler boxes. And people would get very made if you discussed the preview clip not in a spoiler box.

In the context of this discussion one can say that the preview clip is NOT part of the show, but comes on afterwards.

BrianD · 02-08-2007, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Toddzilla

methinks we should keep this thread true to it's original intent - to discuss the television show and the show alone. I know the graphic novels are intended as a supplement to the show, but I don't see the harm if the people who which to discuss them start their own thread in which to do so. I *do* see the potential for harm by injecting info from the novels into this thread. I'll be reading both, in any case.

I think I've got much the same feeling. This is primarily a TV show with some written supplements. I don't particularly like the need to read to get more background to a TV show, but I accept that it is becoming more wide-spread. If there is something new that is going to be revealed in a TV series, I would much prefer to have it revealed in the show, not the books. It just doesn't have the same impact if you have alread read it. Some people enjoy experiencing the big reveal in the moment with the family watching along. I'm sure this isn't true for everyone, but I would guess that it is more than just me.

In a perfect world, previews would be off limits as well, but I don't really think that is reasonable. It is too hard to stay away from previews and commercials, so they have to be treated as spoilers that can't be avoided. My biggest TV peeve is to hear that "next week, one of the characters will die". I don't want to spend the whole episode trying to figure out who it will be, I just want to be surprised when it happens.

wade moore · 02-08-2007, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Toddzilla

methinks we should keep this thread true to it's original intent - to discuss the television show and the show alone. I know the graphic novels are intended as a supplement to the show, but I don't see the harm if the people who which to discuss them start their own thread in which to do so. I *do* see the potential for harm by injecting info from the novels into this thread. I'll be reading both, in any case.

This is my thought. I had this discussion with Celeval earlier. I don't like that the Novellas exist. In fact, I find it to be a very frustrating model for a TV Show.

So, I think this discussion should be for the TV show.

Izulde · 02-08-2007, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27

I agree with Wade's points. Personally, I'm worried about what spoilers I may read in the novels/comics and am planning on waiting until the entire season is over to go back and read them to fill in any gaps. I don't want to know anything about new characters that haven't appeared on the show or in the 10 second preview at the end of a show.

Same here with the following modification: I also shut off the TV or walk out of the room (depending on where I'm watching it) so I don't catch the preview, because to me the preview's a spoiler as well and I simply don't want to know.

rkmsuf · 02-08-2007, 02:20 PM

I was trying to figure out why this thread annoys me and I think I've figured it out.

People are complaining about discussing the 10 second PREVIEWS for the following week's show.

Not spoilers, not spoilers....we are talking previews....previews...not the spoilers...previews.

MikeVic · 02-08-2007, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by rkmsuf

Not spoilers, not spoilers....we are talking previews....previews...not the spoilers...previews.

Ok there Allen.

ISiddiqui · 02-08-2007, 03:01 PM

Previews do contain spoilers. Just as much as the novels do (actually a lot more). So if we are talking about eliminating spoilers, that's a good place to start.

Do we have the vBB spoiler hack enabled?

Spoiler

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gottimd · 02-08-2007, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by rkmsuf

I was trying to figure out why this thread annoys me and I think I've figured it out.

Wait til they introduce the driving werewolf.

Easy Mac · 02-08-2007, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Izulde

Same here with the following modification: I also shut off the TV or walk out of the room (depending on where I'm watching it) so I don't catch the preview, because to me the preview's a spoiler as well and I simply don't want to know.

I actually toss it into the ocean as soon as the last scene is over.

Izulde · 02-08-2007, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Easy Mac

I actually toss it into the ocean as soon as the last scene is over.

This made me laugh a lot harder than it probably should have.

Anthony · 02-08-2007, 06:05 PM

this thread went from discussing Heroes to talking about what is allowed to be discussed in a thread about Heroes. this is excellent.

Easy Mac · 02-08-2007, 06:19 PM

meta bitch

Maple Leafs · 02-11-2007, 09:01 PM

My wife never got into the show but now she's interested. Is there a site out there with a decent "the plot up until now" summary?

Swaggs · 02-11-2007, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Maple Leafs

My wife never got into the show but now she's interested. Is there a site out there with a decent "the plot up until now" summary?

Check out wikipedia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Heroes_episodes

FrogMan · 02-11-2007, 09:07 PM

I'd go with the Heroes Wiki. There's a solid episode listing over there...

FM

02-08-2007, 06:25 AM	#1164
gottimd Dearly Missed (9/25/77-12/23/08) Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: DC Suburbs	Just because I am curious, but are things not spoilers? Most note that they haven't seen it so it is a spoiler so it shouldn't be posted. Technically, if I was someone who just started watching the show last night, anything discussed here is a spoiler so the entire thread should be deleted until I am all caught up. Where does it end? I think after the show has been publicly aired, its fair game, but only to make speculations on future shows and discuss what has already happened. If you haven't seen it, wait to view the thread. If you choose to view it, beware that there maybe spoilers but life will absolutely continue on. I agree with the fact if you come across info that is to be revealed in a future episode, don't discuss it here because people will get upset. If the show has aired or you are discussing your speculations based off of the 10 second preview of next week, its fair game. __________________ NAFL New Orleans Saints GM/Co-Commish MP Career Record: 114-85 NAFL Super Bowl XI Champs In memory of Gavin Anthony: 7/22/08-7/26/08 Last edited by gottimd : 02-08-2007 at 06:29 AM.

02-08-2007, 09:21 AM	#1168
gottimd Dearly Missed (9/25/77-12/23/08) Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: DC Suburbs	I've read some of the comics and I would have to say they do nothing to spoil the future possible events. They more provide a more detailed background. The last 3-4 of them introduce a character that hasn't been seen on the show on TV, so I agree that those comics are spoilers and shouldn't be discussed. However many of them, for instance, fill in the gaps that the show leaves out most likely due to time constraints (Edens background, Hiro's story, etc). The introduction of the new character stops at that though. They give the background and that is all, so essentially, correct me if I am wrong, it doesn't necessarily spoil anything other than the fact that there will be a new character at some point and nothing else. I don't really pay much attention to them other than referring to them after an episode happened. Earlier in this thread I referenced them to clarify a backstory of a character and to openly discuss my speculation, which was wrong anyways. __________________ NAFL New Orleans Saints GM/Co-Commish MP Career Record: 114-85 NAFL Super Bowl XI Champs In memory of Gavin Anthony: 7/22/08-7/26/08

02-08-2007, 10:00 AM	#1170
Eaglesfan27 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: New Jersey	I agree with Wade's points. Personally, I'm worried about what spoilers I may read in the novels/comics and am planning on waiting until the entire season is over to go back and read them to fill in any gaps. I don't want to know anything about new characters that haven't appeared on the show or in the 10 second preview at the end of a show. __________________ Retired GM of the eNFL 2007 Super Bowl Champion Philadelphia Eagles (19-0 record.) GM of the WOOF 2006 Doggie Bowl Champion Atlantic City Gamblers. GM of the IHOF 2019 and 2022 IHOF Bowl Champion Asheville Axemen.

02-08-2007, 12:22 PM	#1181
ISiddiqui Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Decatur, GA	Chalk me down for saying what is in the novels should be fair game. It's officially released by the show, so I'm not sure about it being off limits. And like said, it seems silly to, say, create another thread on the stuff in the novels. __________________ "A prayer for the wild at heart, kept in cages" -Tennessee Williams

02-08-2007, 01:51 PM	#1184
Mr. Wednesday Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: South Bend, IN	The novels aren't completely verboten, the line that we're trying to draw, I think, is situations where the novels have stuff that's spoilerish for the show. So basic background info on existing characters is OK, IMO the material in novel 11 is OK now that we know from the show that Sylar didn't escape then (but wasn't OK before that). Character previews where the characters haven't come into the show yet are not OK. Additional info about scenes where the scene has not been paid off yet are not OK (see novel 11 for the clearest example of what I mean). __________________ Hattrick - Brays Bayou FC (70854) / USA III.4 Hockey Arena - Houston Aeros / USA II.1 Thanks to my FOFC Hattrick supporters - Blackout, Brillig, kingfc22, RPI-fan, Rich1033, antbacker, One_to7, ur_land, KevinNU7, and TonyR (PM me if you support me and I've missed you)

02-07-2007, 05:39 PM	#1152
BrianD Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Appleton, WI	There seem to be at least a handful of people that are avoiding the graphic novels because they are spoilerish.

02-07-2007, 05:42 PM	#1153
Travis Pro Rookie Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Canada eh	Well, to counterpoint, it's NBC putting out the comic addons, information they want out there, but not necessarily having time to include in the show Not sure why the information there would be considered spoilers, but if that's the case, I'm assuming there'd be no objection to a seperate thread that will allow for discussion of information revealed in said novels.

02-07-2007, 06:41 PM	#1155
Franklinnoble Banned Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Placerville, CA	For those of us on the West Coast, this thread is ALWAYS full of spoilers. I don't see what the point is of trying to make it spoiler-free.

02-08-2007, 12:46 AM	#1162
Travis Pro Rookie Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Canada eh	I'll try to stay away from bringing up any novel related information until I'm sure it's mentioned in the show, but I have to admit, it seems a bit odd that information put out by the company running the show, between episodes should be considered spoilers. It's public information and obviously material they're intending to work with the show, not against it. Seems silly if we had to have a second thread just to involve commentary on information contained there. And well, mostly my memory is bad and I forget where I see the information, so I'll try to be good.

02-08-2007, 10:34 AM	#1178
Celeval Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Cary, NC, USA	A good characterization of the novels (I think, at least - this came out of an IM discussion with wade) is Lost. One of the complaints about Lost is that the pacing sucks and they don't spend enough time on the island and there are too many flashbacks. To me, the novels are like if you took out 50% of the flashbacks, turned them into comic books and put them online along with the episode. Keeps the pacing of the show better, it's not like you can't understand what's happening with just what is in the show, but there are things you find out more about; and sometime you know before they happen in visual.

02-08-2007, 10:51 AM	#1179
Toddzilla Pro Starter Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Burke, VA	I missed the very end of the show - DVR cut off as Claire's mom was dialing the phone... Can someone please PM me and let me know (1) Who's her daddy? (2) What was in the preview. THANKS!

02-08-2007, 01:19 PM	#1183
Travis Pro Rookie Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Canada eh	I have a question that has perplexed me since the start of this discussion. To those that feel the novels shouldn't be discussed because they're spoilerish, well, why? I guess I'd understand if it was a medium not available to everybody, but it'd surprise me if any discussing the show here didn't have a chance to check them out or if they were provided third party/outside the consent of those managing the televised portion of the show. I suppose my thinking here is to use any and all information provided by the company to help educate what will still likely be false theories on where the story/characters will go. The premise of the novels has to be information that creates more depth for the show, but that is ultimately not necessary to understanding the plot/characters for those that don't have the ability to access them. Mostly looking for why some really feel that inclusion or viewing of these novels will either wreck/ruin/etc the televised portion of the show. Personally, I've found the preview clip of the next week's episode to be much more spoilerish than a majority of what is contained in the novels (that I've been through so far today). More of a curious thing now more than anything else. Definitely not my intention to drive anybody away from the show discussion, but depending on how long the show goes/what background information is given, those that read the novels may indeed have to branch off to another thread in the future as their opinions/predictions can't help but be based on some information learned through the novels, so they may unintentionally make a statement that would infer portions of that acquired knowledge without really meaning to (or thinking that they're leaving out what they should, but connections made in theories rely on something read, etc).

02-08-2007, 01:52 PM	#1185
Toddzilla Pro Starter Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Burke, VA	methinks we should keep this thread true to it's original intent - to discuss the television show and the show alone. I know the graphic novels are intended as a supplement to the show, but I don't see the harm if the people who which to discuss them start their own thread in which to do so. I do see the potential for harm by injecting info from the novels into this thread. I'll be reading both, in any case.

02-08-2007, 02:20 PM	#1190
rkmsuf Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2001	I was trying to figure out why this thread annoys me and I think I've figured it out. People are complaining about discussing the 10 second PREVIEWS for the following week's show. Not spoilers, not spoilers....we are talking previews....previews...not the spoilers...previews. __________________ "Don't you have homes?" -- Judge Smales Last edited by rkmsuf : 02-08-2007 at 02:21 PM.

02-08-2007, 03:01 PM	#1192
ISiddiqui Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Decatur, GA	Previews do contain spoilers. Just as much as the novels do (actually a lot more). So if we are talking about eliminating spoilers, that's a good place to start. Do we have the vBB spoiler hack enabled? Spoiler If you can see this w/o highlight, then no . __________________ "A prayer for the wild at heart, kept in cages" -Tennessee Williams

02-08-2007, 06:05 PM	#1196
Anthony Banned Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Astoria, NY, USA	this thread went from discussing Heroes to talking about what is allowed to be discussed in a thread about Heroes. this is excellent.

02-08-2007, 06:19 PM	#1197
Easy Mac Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Here	meta bitch

02-11-2007, 09:01 PM	#1198
Maple Leafs Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2002	My wife never got into the show but now she's interested. Is there a site out there with a decent "the plot up until now" summary? __________________ Down Goes Brown: Toronto Maple Leafs Humor and Analysis

02-11-2007, 09:07 PM	#1200
FrogMan Hattrick Moderator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Pintendre, Qc, Canada	I'd go with the Heroes Wiki. There's a solid episode listing over there... FM __________________ A Black Belt is a White Belt who refused to give up... follow my story: The real life story of a running frog...

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