WW XCI: Office Space, the TPS Edition - GAME OVER - Insiders Win

[Lathum]

BAD MOVE cr

i say duke it to BK

[EagleFan]

deadline

[EagleFan]

Final Vote:

Autumn 5 - Abe Sargent (989), Lathum (993), PurdueBrad (996), Poli (1098), USFLTecmo (1132)
Lathum 7 - Barkeep49 (1036), Danny (1075), Autumn (1086), dubb93 (1087), lerriuqs (1096), MartinD (1115), Chief Rum (1146)


Results to follow shortly.

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by Abe Sargent

Like I said, I suck at hints. I kept saying how, after the night actions, we'd find out from the BG. I think I mentioned it two-three times.

Ahh. I read that as less a hint and more an emphatic pleading for the BG not to reveal and for people not to encourage the BG to reveal. If you'd actually been the BG, I could have seen it as a hint in retrospect. I think I suck at detecting hints if that makes you feel better.

[EagleFan]

Everyone gathers for the meeting with a clear goal in mind, eliminate an Insider. The debate focused on two primary players Autumn and Lathum. Both pleaded their case hoping to survive the outcome.

As the deadline neared it came down to one final vote being cast that condemned Lathum.

"You fools!" he screams "I am one of you!"

You ignore his pleas and descend upon him taking all of your frustation out on him. When it is all over he lays there motionless and you begin to search him to find out if you have nailed another Insider.

All that you find is an employee ID and a business card with the title cube dweller. He was a worker. You begin to prepare fo the next reorganization fearing the worst...

"You are making this too easy!!!! We will increase our profit sharing bonuses yet again!!! Thank you all!!!"

[Barkeep49]

That's a shame right there.

[Barkeep49]

Public apologies to lathum.

[Poli]

This is getting freaking retarded.

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by Poli

This is getting freaking retarded.

Summary of Abe's Posts:

-Day 1-
122 – Votes for me; Says same logic for how I chose to vote for him applies to me
159 – Upset over getting multiple D1 votes (again)
161 – Meaningless post (MP)
162 – MP
229 – Agrees with me that Poli/Schmidty automatically voting for one another is bad
235 – MP
241 – MP
243 – Upset over getting another vote; wants to play with the new people
251 – Votes for clap (no reason given)
256 – Explains that his clap vote is self defense
396 – MP

-Night 1-
404 – Happy that hoops died instead of him
450 – MP

-Day 2-
454 – Unhappy that Danny pointed out that clap is probably vulnerable after Schmidty died
483 – Votes for pass
486 – Points out that clap voted for him before he voted for clap and his vote was in self defense
491 – Availability note
528 – Against Lathum’s use of AIM over the lathuming question
530 – Doesn’t question Lathum’s ethics, but still feels action was wrong
533 – Agrees with dubb that Lathum’s lathuming was OK, but talking over AIM about it was not
534 – Is OK with Lathum having PM’ed me about the issue
560 – MP
576 – Doesn’t think Lathum did anything improper on D1
601 – MP
603 – MP
604 – Availability post

-Day 3-
654 – Catching up on thread
731 – Says he is normally quiet
732 – Encourages CR to trust his gut
757 – Doesn’t want to vote for lerriuqs; out of self defense votes for cartman for being UTR
758 – Likes my analysis against cartman, but think CR should feel free to use his duking ability
762 – Points out voting is scattered
813 – Says he’s a vanilla villager
816 – Likes some of cartmans more recent posts. Votes for Autumn
844 – Says he has no problem voting for cartman over lerriuqs because despite cartman being an infrequent player, he remembers playing with cartman in the Star Wars game
865 – Isn’t sure why I am receiving “looksies”
873 – Votes for cartman to ensure there is no tie
875 – Prefers the risk of killing a villager to having a tie
876 – Duplicate post
880 – Abe points out his duplicate post
882 – Wonders why Lathum is tying the vote

-Night 3-
884 – Believes Lathum didn’t actually tie the vote
886 – Explains why he thinks Lathum might have tied things
892 – In response to Lathum saying CR was going to duke if there was a tie, he suggests CR might not have submitted an order
893 – Prefer not to rely on CR in case of a tie
899 – Sad that cartman was a villager
902 – Denies he is trying to setup Lathum, would simply prefer to have fate in his own hands
903 – Says he wouldn’t be trying to get more heat if he were a wolf in response to Lathum saying he’s going to vote for him
910 – Says that there shouldn’t necessarily be a counter-Autumn reveal until after the night cycle
911 – Suggests that the BG wouldn’t want to bust Autumn during the night cycle, because of potential for attracting attention
913 – Says that if he and Autumn were both wolves, he’d have been OK with a tie and then duking of Autumn
929 – Again suggests BG shouldn’t counter reveal until after nightfall in response to a post by PB
930 – Sees Danny made a similar post
934 – MP
937 – Says he dropped some sutble hints about being BG [which I having just read would be VERY hard pressed to tell you

-Day 4-
942 – Asks for CR and Autumn to reveal what happened
957 – “???” [No idea what he’s questioning]
959 – Doesn’t believe Autumn’s rope story
960 – “Everyone here knew you were intimating that you were the BG”
963 – Has to think about situation
966 – Wants confirmation about the item from CR
989 – After sleeping on it, he now agrees with Lathum that Autumn is bad
1033 – Points out to Lathum that logic about me being dead also applies to him
1057 – MP
1082 – MP
1135 – MP
1150 – In response to my question about what his hints were, states he suggested BG would reveal later.

[Abe Sargent]

I didn;t want to use this before, I felt it was metagaming, but I didn't feel Lathum would want to quit a game and get a substitute if he were wolf, because then he'd be letting down his wolf-mates, so I doubted all along Lathum was ever anything more than a villager, but I didn;t want to voice that, becuase it was metagaming.

[Danny]

That sucks

[PurdueBrad]

Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

Quick voting breakdown:

These are the votes on known good guys:

Poli on Schmidty (D1)
Martin D on Cartman (D1), Lathum (D4)
Dubb on Cartman (D1), Lathum (D4)
PB on Hoops (D1)
Danny on Claphamsa (D1), Lathum (D4)
Barkeep on Cartman (D3), Lathum (D4)
USFLTecmo on Cartman (D3)

Autumn on Claph (D1), Cartman (D3), Lathum (D4)
Abe on Claph (D1) and Cartman (D3)
Lerruiqs on Claph (D1), Cartman (D3), Lathum (D4)
Chief Rum on Hoops (D1), Cartman (D3), Lathum (D4)

I'm not going to bother commenting.

Lathum, I didn't lynch you, but sorry anyway.

[Danny]

Originally Posted by Abe Sargent

I didn;t want to use this before, I felt it was metagaming, but I didn't feel Lathum would want to quit a game and get a substitute if he were wolf, because then he'd be letting down his wolf-mates, so I doubted all along Lathum was ever anything more than a villager, but I didn;t want to voice that, becuase it was metagaming.

I was torn on that because not too many games ago Path did the same thing and I thought there was no way he was a wolf because of it and then he turned out to be a wolf. Obviously this turned out differently, but I didn't think his wanting to quit the game made it impossible for him to be a wolf.

[Abe Sargent]

I didn;t ssay impossible, this is WW, nothinbg is impossible. I said I doubted and I felt.

[Danny]

Originally Posted by Abe Sargent

I didn;t ssay impossible, this is WW, nothinbg is impossible. I said I doubted and I felt.

I understand, but I don't assume anything based off things like that anymore because I've been burned by it a few times. And I don't necessarily think it's intentional. I'm sure a wolf could get over emotional and want to quit or forget to vote, things like that etc...

[Lathum]

ah well

good luck villagers

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by Lathum

ah well

good luck villagers

Catch ya next game!

[Danny]

I'm going to do some posting review of the three votes we have to analyze so far (throwing out Pass's lynch.

[Danny]

Day 1

Hoopsguy 6 - PurdueBrad (115), The Jackal (165), Chief Rum (284), claphamsa (285), Schmidty (345), Lathum (356)
claphamsa 5 - Passacaglia (158), Danny (181), Autumn (222), Abe Sargent (251). lerriuqs (294)
Abe Sargent 2 - Barkeep49 (109), USFLTecmo (139)
cartman 2 - MartinD (164), dubb93 (184)
The Jackal 1 - hoopsguy (108)
lerriuqs 1 - cartman (167)
Schmidty 1 - Poli (217)

[Danny]

Day 3

cartman 6 - Autumn (692), Barkeep49 (796), USFLTecmo (801), Chief Rum (834). lerriuqs (842), Abe Sargent (873)
Barkeep49 3 - dubb93 (761), Poli (852), The Jackal (858)
Autumn 5 - cartman (780), Danny (800), MartinD (808), PurdueBrad (859), Lathum (879)

[Danny]

Day 4

Autumn 5 - Abe Sargent (989), Lathum (993), PurdueBrad (996), Poli (1098), USFLTecmo (1132)
Lathum 7 - Barkeep49 (1036), Danny (1075), Autumn (1086), dubb93 (1087), lerriuqs (1096), MartinD (1115), Chief Rum (1146)

[Autumn]

That really sucks. It seems that every day, except for day 2 obviously, we've been debating between villagers. That suggests to me that the wolves haven't had to do much of any work, which means they're probably not along the more vocal of us. No sense of sticking their necks out much if we're debating between villagers constantly.

For werewolf vets, if we lynched Nina (the one that looks like an office worker) that would show up as a wolf, right?

I agree with whoever said last page that we may be done for now. I know focus will now shift to me, as the surviving candidate, but I know I'm not a wolf. After a night kill they'll nearly equal our numbers, which means it will be next to impossible to have a conversation about candidates untainted by their additions.

I frankly don't know who to suspect right now.

[Danny]

Unfortunately, the it's hard for the voting to tell us much right now since we have no known cases of a wolf being involved in a potential lynch. Without knowing about Abe and Autumn it's really tough to know what to make of all three days. That said, we are losing numbers and I don't think we can afford to make lynched just to learn about a previous day vote. I think PurdueBrad's logic about having to lynch the one who didn't get lynched today is dangerous thinking.

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by Danny

Day 1

Hoopsguy 6 - PurdueBrad (115), The Jackal (165), Chief Rum (284), claphamsa (285), Schmidty (345), Lathum (356)
claphamsa 5 - Passacaglia (158), Danny (181), Autumn (222), Abe Sargent (251). lerriuqs (294)
Abe Sargent 2 - Barkeep49 (109), USFLTecmo (139)
cartman 2 - MartinD (164), dubb93 (184)
The Jackal 1 - hoopsguy (108)
lerriuqs 1 - cartman (167)
Schmidty 1 - Poli (217)

Assuming the wolves spread out the votes, that makes PB looks very bad

[Barkeep49]

To me I think there are 3 viable candidates tomorrow:

1. Me - Pushed cartman and Lathum lynchings both of whom were villagers
2. Autumn - Strange business with the rope/BG reveal/non-reveal
3. Abe - Learn something about whether there was late D1 switching to save him

Obviously overnight new candidates could emerge but that's how I see things at the moment.

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by Abe Sargent

Assuming the wolves spread out the votes, that makes PB looks very bad

Assuming they did, I would agree with you.

[PurdueBrad]

I don't care how bad I look. If Autumn and Abe aren't wolves, I'll be absolutely stunned. BK is my third, but Christ almight, can we lynch Autumn or Abe already and take a damn look?

[Chief Rum]

You know...we're pretty damn bad at this.

[PurdueBrad]

No crap we are.

[Autumn]

This is how bad we were my first Werewolf game, and pretty much the second too. Are the villagers every any good at this?

[Autumn]

I'm almost unwilling to suggest suspects, because I've basically been wrong each time. I thought Cartman and Lathum were pretty good targets. I don't have much more to go on with anyone left than I did with them.

My only thought is targeting the quieter folks. I don't see why a wolf would even feel the need to speak up when all the lynch options are villagers.

[PurdueBrad]

We need a COT immediately. I'm the bodyguard. Second guess this all you want but I know what I'm doing.

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by Autumn

This is how bad we were my first Werewolf game, and pretty much the second too. Are the villagers every any good at this?

No. By design the villagers are never good. That's why they have numbers. It can be easy to tilt it quickly against wolves, but on the whole villagers suck and so they get the chance to out number the bad guys 3-1 or 4-1 to compensate.

[Barkeep49]

Autumn question for you, after having actually read the rules. Did you have to do something to get your item or did it magically appear for you one day? I'm unclear how the item mechanic works that way.

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

We need a COT immediately. I'm the bodyguard. Second guess this all you want but I know what I'm doing.

Not sure why you revealed now instead of in an hour

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by Abe Sargent

Not sure why you revealed now instead of in an hour

No joke.

[PurdueBrad]

Abe, I've got my reasons, like I said. I also figure I won't face a BS counter-reveal nor will anyone try to spin this as an attempt at an endgame set-up.

[PurdueBrad]

Let them try, maybe I'm guarding myself, maybe I'm guarding someone else.

[Autumn]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Autumn question for you, after having actually read the rules. Did you have to do something to get your item or did it magically appear for you one day? I'm unclear how the item mechanic works that way.

I had to find the item. There are sometimes clues in the writeups that lead to them. I messaged EagleFan and followed some clues.

[Autumn]

I'm out for a while, be back after night deadline probably.

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by Autumn

I had to find the item. There are sometimes clues in the writeups that lead to them. I messaged EagleFan and followed some clues.

Well hats off to you for paying that kind of attention.

[EagleFan]

deadline

[Poli]

Didn't...we just have the deadline?

[Poli]

scratches head

[PurdueBrad]

Yeah, night deadline Poli. I didn't pull off a block but they didn't come after me either.

[Poli]

oh, nm. I'm a goob.

[Poli]

Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

Yeah, night deadline Poli. I didn't pull off a block but they didn't come after me either.

Forgot the night deadline hits so quick.

[PurdueBrad]

I'm very, very curious to see who they hit. I'm guessing then that they got CR, but we'll see.

[Danny]

Geez, EF, don't you know we're waiting!

[PurdueBrad]

Barring a surprise tonight. My thoughts are that Autumn is a Bob and Abe is Lumburgh.