Werewolf LXXI - Doomsday (GAME OVER. WOLVES WIN!)

[Neon_Chaos]

Hmmm. Quiet.

Vote Count:

path - lathum (1081), nfg22 (1116)
lathum - path12 (1121) jackal (1149)

[Neon_Chaos]

Deadline passed.

[Neon_Chaos]

I won't bother with the write-ups anymore.

PATH12 WAS LYNCHED!
PATH12 WAS THE BODYGUARD!

THE WOLVES HAVE NIGHT-KILLED NFG22!
NFG22 WAS THE SEER!

LATHUM KILLS THE JACKAL! (1:1 WOLVES:VILLAGERS RATIO)

WEREWOLVES WIN!

[jeheinz72]

Nice one Lathum, well played.

[Neon_Chaos]

ROLES:

1. Lathum - Wolfshade - WINNER
2. TheJackal - Villager (Killed at End Game)
3. PurdueBrad - Wolfling (Lynched Turn 6)
4. Claphamsa - Holy Mark (Lynched Turn 2)
5. nfg22 - Seer (Night-killed by Wolves Turn 8)
6. Passacaglia - Alpha Wolf (Lynched Turn 5)
7. Narcizo - Rabid Werewolf (Lynched Turn 1)
8. mccollins - Villager (Night-killed by Wolves Turn 3)
9. Render - Unholy Mark / Werewolf (Convered Turn 5) (Lynched Turn 7)
10. jeheinz72 - Witness (Night-Killed by Wolves Turn 1)
11. Sonic Youth - Fool (Lynched Turn 4)
12. Kwhit - Magistrate (Killed by Rabid Werewolf Turn 1)
13. Eaglefan - Villager (Night-killed by Wolves Turn 2)
14. ntndeacon - Inquisitive (Night-killed by Wolves Turn 6)
15. Path12 - Bodyguard (Lynched Turn 8)
16. ImTheCrew - Villager (Lynched Turn 3)

[Passacaglia]

Good game, all! I'm curious who other people would have picked if they were the alpha wolf. I just chose people who had played in a lot of games that I had never been wolves with before. My only exception was avoiding ntn.

Man, NFG, you were having a GREAT game up until the end there. Scanned four wolves in a row: Lathum, me, PB, then Render, who had just been converted as the unholy mark.

Path -- if it's any consolation, PB thought you were hinting at being the bodyguard way back in like Day 2.

[Sonic Youth]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Man, NFG, you were having a GREAT game up until the end there. Scanned four wolves in a row: Lathum, me, PB, then Render, who had just been converted as the unholy mark.

Ultimately I think he lost the game for the villagers. His not voting that one round cost the lynching of you. I was waiting for his vote, ready to put it in. A move without him would have been too suspicious I thought at that time. The game would have swung against the wolves at that point. For me, that is the point the game was lost.

Here were my scans:

Pass, nfg22, lathum. I also said PB.

I also have to wonder why I wasn't scanned by ntndeacon. He wouldn't have put himself in the situation of not knowing about who to vote for when I got put out. Bad call in my eyes there. I'll be interested to see why he didn't chose to scan me at that time. Plus, he didn't seem to pick up on my 'foolish' comment either.

At that time when I was getting lynched, I knew that nfg22 would cop some heat, but also that the wolves would drive the vote. And that's what happened.

[ntndeacon]

As you now have figured out, I did get a villager return from Lathum. And remember I did have one role...of course it was for the dead Heinz. lol

[Neon_Chaos]

If you notice, this is the same game config (-1 villager, since we only had 16 people) that Beneath the Iron Cross had.

[mccollins]

Originally Posted by jeheinz72

Nice one Lathum, well played.

Indeed!

[Lathum]

[mccollins]

Originally Posted by path12

By whether I protect him or not. That order is already submitted, just in case Neon takes late night actions I'll hold off on saying who I protected.

And BTW Lathum, it's Herbalist, not bodyguard.

I specifically thought this was going to be the winning shot for the village. Lathum goofed and said "bodyguard" when Neon's ruleset has a few different titles (Magistrate for Duke, etc.). Alas...

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by mccollins

I specifically thought this was going to be the winning shot for the village. Lathum goofed and said "bodyguard" when Neon's ruleset has a few different titles (Magistrate for Duke, etc.). Alas...

Really? Even though in path's original reveal, he called it bodyguard?

[mccollins]

Originally Posted by Lathum

I realized Pass and PB were outing themselves since you were cloaked in the "villager" scan by being a Wolfshade. However, I didn't know why PB outed himself? He had some trust built it seemed.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by jeheinz72

Nice one Lathum, well played.

thanks.

To be honest I think this game was pretty slanted towards the wolves winning.

Kudos to Jackyl for having a nice gut read, and apologies to Path, he has been down this road with me before and I can imagine it must be frustrating arguing with a pain in the ass SOB like me.

[mccollins]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Really? Even though in path's original reveal, he called it bodyguard?

Hmm.. very good point. That would've been a great counter for Lathum if Path had hammered on the terminology more.

[Passacaglia]

I thought path should have gone back and showed NFG a post where he hinted at being the bodyguard way back. The one PB saw said something about him being high while posting -- I think he could have dug that up and used it to argue that he was hinting at being the herbalist way back then.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by mccollins

I specifically thought this was going to be the winning shot for the village. Lathum goofed and said "bodyguard" when Neon's ruleset has a few different titles (Magistrate for Duke, etc.). Alas...

If you go back and look I almost always call the roles by their traditional names even though they mat be named something else for game flavor.

Plus Path called himself the BG

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by mccollins

Hmm.. very good point. That would've been a great counter for Lathum if Path had hammered on the terminology more.

I think Lathum countered with that right away, which is probably why path didn't hammer on that more. I thought path could have used it to point out his old hints, though..

[Lathum]

I am surprised Path just didn't make the argument that he voted Render yesterday when Render and I were on NFG. If Path had been a wolf all he would have had to do was cast the third vote on NFG to end the game

[Lathum]

dola- we almost won going away, the night McCollins was killed we were going to kill NFG and changed it literaly at the last second.

[Sonic Youth]

Originally Posted by Lathum

thanks.

To be honest I think this game was pretty slanted towards the wolves winning.

Only after nfg22 missed a vote. I'm not kidding either. I was waiting for it to come in. Pass would have been out turn 3. I'd have gone for PB next, and then tried to make a case for you.

[Sonic Youth]

Reading back through my scans too, I changed my mind for my second from Lathum to nfg22 too.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by Sonic Youth

Only after nfg22 missed a vote. I'm not kidding either. I was waiting for it to come in. Pass would have been out turn 3. I'd have gone for PB next, and then tried to make a case for you.

If NFG had put in his vote for me, and you switched yours from ITC to me, I would have just switched mine from NTN to ITC.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by mccollins

I realized Pass and PB were outing themselves since you were cloaked in the "villager" scan by being a Wolfshade. However, I didn't know why PB outed himself? He had some trust built it seemed.

I'm not really sure why PB came out the way he did also before the cultist.

And nice try by TheJackyl but we never really believed you. I came up with the idea to ask you to out the last wolf just in case someone tried what you did.

Had you guessed right the game would have been over for us.

[Lathum]

Another thing that surprised me was I drove alot of the lynch votes.

Clap, SY and ITC were all votes that I pushed pretty hard.

[mccollins]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Right here NTN is letting me know he isn't gonna out me.

This made me chuckle; a good twist of NTN's response.

[jeheinz72]

Good game by the village too. Frankly when I died and learned who the wolves were I thought it was going to be a slaughter with them winning.

Good close game all-around

[The Jackal]

Originally Posted by Lathum

I'm not really sure why PB came out the way he did also before the cultist.

And nice try by TheJackyl but we never really believed you. I came up with the idea to ask you to out the last wolf just in case someone tried what you did.

Had you guessed right the game would have been over for us.

Figured I'd give it a shot, I guessed the village was pretty close to screwed.

Nice game all around.

[path12]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Kudos to Jackyl for having a nice gut read, and apologies to Path, he has been down this road with me before and I can imagine it must be frustrating arguing with a pain in the ass SOB like me.

No worries man, you played it well.

[path12]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

I thought path should have gone back and showed NFG a post where he hinted at being the bodyguard way back. The one PB saw said something about him being high while posting -- I think he could have dug that up and used it to argue that he was hinting at being the herbalist way back then.

Pretty sure I was high when I posted that.

[path12]

Originally Posted by Lathum

I am surprised Path just didn't make the argument that he voted Render yesterday when Render and I were on NFG. If Path had been a wolf all he would have had to do was cast the third vote on NFG to end the game

I don't think there was anything I was going to be able to do to change nfg's mind. Especially after pointing out exactly what ntn said he would have done if he found a role and that didn't matter to him.

[path12]

BTW, did I block an attack on myself day 5 or so or was that a conversion?

[Passacaglia]

Well never mind about how PB caught the hints, then! Turn 5 was when we attacked RendeR, who was the unholy mark.

[PurdueBrad]

I outed myself because the seer had me at that point and I knew when Pass was lynched that I would be gone next so I just played it out rather than try to lie for a day.

[PurdueBrad]

Did Sonic Youth actually scan Pass as a wolf?

[Neon_Chaos]

Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

Did Sonic Youth actually scan Pass as a wolf?

No he did not.

[PurdueBrad]

Gracias Neon and GREAT game!

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by path12

Especially after pointing out exactly what ntn said he would have done if he found a role and that didn't matter to him.

yeah, I thought that one was gonna kill me.


thanks for runnig the game Neon

[nfg22]

Sorry guys...my inexperience cost me. I still didnt know who to choose at the end and I hate going back and forth...

[The Jackal]

Originally Posted by nfg22

Sorry guys...my inexperience cost me. I still didnt know who to choose at the end and I hate going back and forth...

No worries, maybe you can forgive me a little from the other game now.

But I'd always recommend never voting nightfall when it's that close and there's no clear cut bad guy. You don't have to read all the bickering

[nfg22]

I dont evern remember the other game...

yeah that was hasty...

[jeheinz72]

Originally Posted by nfg22

Sorry guys...my inexperience cost me. I still didnt know who to choose at the end and I hate going back and forth...

It happens nfg, we've all made "bad" votes at one point or another. You played well on the whole, scanning like a mad man.

[path12]

Originally Posted by nfg22

Sorry guys...my inexperience cost me. I still didnt know who to choose at the end and I hate going back and forth...

A good rule of thumb is to "Always trust path".

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by path12

A good rule of thumb is to "Always trust path".

rigggghhhhhhhttttttttttttt

[hoopsguy]

Nice work, Lathum. It is fun watching him play - he is the hardest working man in the WW business once you get to the mid-game point.

[Narcizo]

Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

Did Sonic Youth actually scan Pass as a wolf?

I've talked to Sonic about this once he died, and he actually did well here. Sonic worked out that he was the fool and that nfg was the seer. He scanned nfg and got a result that he was the fool. That meant either Sonic or nfg was the seer. He'd got villager scans off of Pass (which is why he saved him on day two) and PB, once nfg started dropping hints that he had a "hunch" that Pass was a wolf he worked out that nfg must be the seer. Of course he probably should have revealed all this when his neck was on the block but I guess he didn't want to out the real seer.

The game was very slanted to the wolfs Neon - 12:4 with all the wolves having a role and an unholy mark is a bit too much. Last game the villagers had the uber-powerful witness role (which pretty much took one wolf out of the equation) - this time round the witness was more balanced.

I actually thought PB made a good role saying he was the wolf. I thought it vital that NTN be killed the next night and by confirming nfg's story (when nfg was under a lot of pressure) he made sure that nfg got the bodyguard. But then he persisted with it instead of backing down near the end of the day and claiming to be pretending to be a cultist. Had he done that I think there would have been enough doubt to lynch nfg the night Render bought it. I think converting Render actually weakened the wolves, bizarrely enough as Lathum aligned himself to strongly with him. Never thought he's talk his way out of that, so kudos for that.

Myself I acted suspiciously because I was ignoring my villager voice (which was telling me to vote Pass both times I voted). KWhit clearly picked up on that. (He claimed that he noticed I was acting differently from the last game we played in - where, ironically enough, I was a wolf). In retrospect I think the wolves would have been better if I'd switched my vote to Pass. I think someone would have come to save him and incurred KWhit's wrath. Otherwise at least we wouldn't be in the situation were the wolves were clearly (as proven by nfg's scans) seen to be defending Pass from a lot of heat. Easy to see in retrospect. Can't believe Pass survived three lynches by one vote.

Really though why was everyone going on about how dangerous a wolf Pass was why not mentioning Lathum. I thought he was going to be the biggest target at the beginning.

[Neon_Chaos]

Originally Posted by Narcizo

I've talked to Sonic about this once he died, and he actually did well here. Sonic worked out that he was the fool and that nfg was the seer. He scanned nfg and got a result that he was the fool. That meant either Sonic or nfg was the seer. He'd got villager scans off of Pass (which is why he saved him on day two) and PB, once nfg started dropping hints that he had a "hunch" that Pass was a wolf he worked out that nfg must be the seer. Of course he probably should have revealed all this when his neck was on the block but I guess he didn't want to out the real seer.

The game was very slanted to the wolfs Neon - 12:4 with all the wolves having a role and an unholy mark is a bit too much. Last game the villagers had the uber-powerful witness role (which pretty much took one wolf out of the equation) - this time round the witness was more balanced.

I actually thought PB made a good role saying he was the wolf. I thought it vital that NTN be killed the next night and by confirming nfg's story (when nfg was under a lot of pressure) he made sure that nfg got the bodyguard. But then he persisted with it instead of backing down near the end of the day and claiming to be pretending to be a cultist. Had he done that I think there would have been enough doubt to lynch nfg the night Render bought it. I think converting Render actually weakened the wolves, bizarrely enough as Lathum aligned himself to strongly with him. Never thought he's talk his way out of that, so kudos for that.

Myself I acted suspiciously because I was ignoring my villager voice (which was telling me to vote Pass both times I voted). KWhit clearly picked up on that. (He claimed that he noticed I was acting differently from the last game we played in - where, ironically enough, I was a wolf). In retrospect I think the wolves would have been better if I'd switched my vote to Pass. I think someone would have come to save him and incurred KWhit's wrath. Otherwise at least we wouldn't be in the situation were the wolves were clearly (as proven by nfg's scans) seen to be defending Pass from a lot of heat. Easy to see in retrospect. Can't believe Pass survived three lynches by one vote.

Really though why was everyone going on about how dangerous a wolf Pass was why not mentioning Lathum. I thought he was going to be the biggest target at the beginning.

It's the same configuration as the other game, with the Witness role powered down.

It was 13:4 last game, with all the same roles.

It worked out well, actually.

I like how different situations can be created. The Unholy Mark could have been lynched, and the Holy Mark would've been the one remaining... putting the wolves at a disadvantage.

What I haven't seen yet is the Wolfling use his ability to lie and cast doubts, specially since he dies looking like a Villager.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Nice work, Lathum. It is fun watching him play - he is the hardest working man in the WW business once you get to the mid-game point.

thanks!

I think

[hoopsguy]

It was definitely intended as a compliment.