2010 NCAA Tournament (and NIT) Thread - Page 23

Philliesfan980 · 03-20-2010, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

LOL, right. Ask Kentucky about that. Hell, ask Georgia Tech about that.

Talent will always be selected in spite of head/heart issues,.

Oh yeah, I totally agree with you. I just honestly feel that a good TEAM will beat a squad of 1-2 superstars everytime.

I'm really starting to hate college athletics. As to the crying comment, I really don't know who it was, but maybe it was some senior who never actually went to class and now realizes that he's fucked and will be working some $11/hr job sometime soon.

Mizzou B-ball fan · 03-20-2010, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by the_meanstrosity

Congrats to UNI. That was a heck of a performance by them. I said it before and I'll say it again they just imposed their will on Kansas today. Very impressive. They didn't shoot lights out, Kansas didn't play poorly, UNI just executed their game plan.

You're correct. Kansas didn't play poorly. In order to do that, they'd actually have to show up to the game.

Noop · 03-20-2010, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

LOL, right. Ask Kentucky about that. Hell, ask Georgia Tech about that.

Talent will always be selected in spite of head/heart issues,.

+1

MacroGuru · 03-20-2010, 07:04 PM

Well, my bracket(s) are fubared now...I do have a fun one I made that picked Baylor to take it all...

So for now it's watch and see how BYU does and if Baylor goes all the way..I will laugh.

panerd · 03-20-2010, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by MrBug708

The big 12 is the suck. I blame panerd and his pac 10 sucks comments

I will gladly take a KU loss being my fault anyday. At the end of the day I really only care about Mizzou and Baylor or A&M or OSU losing has no effect on me whatsoever. (Of course I will always be happy about a KU loss) Last I checked Mizzou was still in this thing and if they lose tomorrow (I admit bias and know we probably will) I just won't visit the thread for a few days.

Mizzou B-ball fan · 03-20-2010, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by MacroGuru

Well, my bracket(s) are fubared now...I do have a fun one I made that picked Baylor to take it all...

So for now it's watch and see how BYU does and if Baylor goes all the way..I will laugh.

They've got a good chance to advance deep. They've got a 10 seed in the Sweet 16 game.

Noop · 03-20-2010, 07:06 PM

Northern Iowa is more like a 3 or 4 seed I wouldn't be surprise to see them in the elite 8.

Galaril · 03-20-2010, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by sterlingice

Yeah, I get that- possibly more than all but a couple on this board. But, really, prior to the tourney, who was the #1 seed out there?

SI

Agree and sorry I was paying attention to the thread earlier. I see now that you are a Jayhawks fan. I did not know that. Sorry for the loss Kansas had a great season and to be honest all ribbing aside NI was just hot and lucky like George Mason acouple of years ago. Whoever meets these guys next whether it be Michigan St. or Maryland better not take them lightly.

Buccaneer · 03-20-2010, 07:06 PM

You mean talent like a star player going 4 for 15?

Mizzou B-ball fan · 03-20-2010, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by panerd

I will gladly take a KU loss being my fault anyday. At the end of the day I really only care about Mizzou and Baylor or A&M or OSU losing has no effect on me whatsoever. (Of course I will always be happy about a KU loss) Last I checked Mizzou was still in this thing and if they lose tomorrow (I admit bias and know we probably will) I just won't visit the thread for a few days.

We're supposed to be already out of this thing already. It's just gravy now. No need to shy away from that. If we win tomorrow, it will mark two straight years we've advanced further than Kansas. Wouldn't be bad at all.

Young Drachma · 03-20-2010, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Noop

So you don't know why they are crying especially after they have invested an incredible amount of time with the hopes of winning a championship? They were the heavily favored team to win the whole thing. I would expect them to be crying a river because they realized they blew it. You come off as a perennial bench warm who secretly rooted for your own team to lose.

lol, ok. If I'm coaching the team, I've prepared them mentally for this moment and while emotions are expected, I'd also expect them to get themselves intact and leave the court with some dignity.

You win sometimes, you lose sometimes. In neither case, is it the end of the world. There are more important things and you have to keep it all in perspective. No, I've never coached (or played) college basketball, but having done so in a different sport I know a bit about the highs and lows of winning and losing.

You gotta keep your head. I know basketball is different because of all of the money fueled into this stuff and how many of the players don't really have lives outside the game, but...I was just stating my opinion. It doesn't make it definitive, but I think it's just in poor taste, it's not due to a lack of empathy or an inability to relate.

hoopsguy · 03-20-2010, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Buccaneer

You mean talent like a star player going 4 for 15?

He was so much worse than those numbers.

SirFozzie · 03-20-2010, 07:10 PM

Time of death of Fozzie's bracket: 6:00 PM Saturday.

But I don't give a damn. Wow. What a crazy crazy thursday and saturday bracket.

panerd · 03-20-2010, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Philliesfan980

Oh yeah, I totally agree with you. I just honestly feel that a good TEAM will beat a squad of 1-2 superstars everytime.

I'm really starting to hate college athletics. As to the crying comment, I really don't know who it was, but maybe it was some senior who never actually went to class and now realizes that he's fucked and will be working some $11/hr job sometime soon.

I am pretty sure it was Mario Little and he didn't play all year so I guess that is probably true emotion about thinking what a difference he could have made.

Noop · 03-20-2010, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Dark Cloud

lol, ok. If I'm coaching the team, I've prepared them mentally for this moment and while emotions are expected, I'd also expect them to get themselves intact and leave the court with some dignity.

You win sometimes, you lose sometimes. In neither case, is it the end of the world. There are more important things and you have to keep it all in perspective. No, I've never coached (or played) college basketball, but having done so in a different sport I know a bit about the highs and lows of winning and losing.

You gotta keep your head. I know basketball is different because of all of the money fueled into this stuff and how many of the players don't really have lives outside the game, but...I was just stating my opinion. It doesn't make it definitive, but I think it's just in poor taste, it's not due to a lack of empathy or an inability to relate.

Understood. However you must consider not everyone is emotionally stable and for 90% of them this is the last stop.

Mizzou B-ball fan · 03-20-2010, 07:12 PM

I was impressed on Thursday and I'm even more impressed with their play today. Washington (and California) are really sticking it in the face of Pac-10 critics (of which I was one of them).

sterlingice · 03-20-2010, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Philliesfan980

Maybe these big time college programs will start building teams instead of 1-3 star players. If anything that can be proven in this tournament, it's that.

To be fair, I think Self does a good job of building a team. It's really rare to have a balanced team and still have enough talent to win. The 2008 Kansas team had that but it turns out they had 7 future NBA draftees (or is it 8?). And that was as balanced a team as I can recall seeing in college in a long time.

Look at our rotation- we got gutted after 2008, with at least 5 guys either graduating or leaving as juniors for the NBA. Collins is our only senior. Our only major juniors are Aldrich, Morningstar- a defensive and 3 point specialist, and Reed- a 3 point specialist. The rest of our rotation includes 3 sophomores (Morris twins and Taylor) and Xavier Henry.

Xavier Henry is our first one and done- it's not like we make a living off of them. Self saw that Collins and Aldrich came back and he would only get them one more year so he took one chance on one player. I've made the point a couple of times this year- our biggest weakness is that we could use one more really good upperclassman (I can dig them up if you'd really like). But you can't just manufacture that so he goes and snags a blue chip in Henry.

Yeah, we had what people thought was a fairly veteran rotation these days but we still knew it was young. You just can't fix that overnight. But it's not like we went out and signed a bunch of one-and-dones. A lot of the players in our rotation are glue guys- not top 5 at their position 5 star recruits but they fill distinct roles. We were hardly a team that went out to be built around stars but that's what Self had coming into this year so he had to go with what he had.

SI

Matthean · 03-20-2010, 07:16 PM

Interesting article by Pat Forde on NIU.

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Northern Iowa belongs. And some name team is going to find that out the hard way.

Pat Forde: The Northern Iowa Panthers are primed to make a run in the NCAA tournament after winning the Missouri Valley Conference title - ESPN

Galaril · 03-20-2010, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by SirFozzie

Time of death of Fozzie's bracket: 6:00 PM Saturday.

But I don't give a damn. Wow. What a crazy crazy thursday and saturday bracket.

Yeah I here ya. I was 24 of 32 in the first round but have gone o 1of 6 today gah!

MrBug708 · 03-20-2010, 07:19 PM

Washington is very streaky. Romar is an above average coach, but his team has fire power from the guards

panerd · 03-20-2010, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

We're supposed to be already out of this thing already. It's just gravy now. No need to shy away from that. If we win tomorrow, it will mark two straight years we've advanced further than Kansas. Wouldn't be bad at all.

Yeah the last two days have been incredible. Its funny how much more I enjoyed last year's tournament and the Bucknell year than other tournaments. I am sure a KU fan could make a joke about that now but Mizzou is still in this thing.

panerd · 03-20-2010, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Matthean

Interesting article by Pat Forde on NIU.

Pat Forde: The Northern Iowa Panthers are primed to make a run in the NCAA tournament after winning the Missouri Valley Conference title - ESPN

I am sure you can find of the those for every team that is left in the tournament right now. Butler, Wake Forest, Cornell, Mizzou.

SirFozzie · 03-20-2010, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Galaril

Yeah I here ya. I was 24 of 32 in the first round but have gone o 1of 6 today gah!

heh. I was ok after the first two days.. lost Georgetown from my Elite Eight but then again, just about everybody lost Georgetown from at least the Sweet 16..

Then Nova and Kansas (two final four teams) bit the dust today. Most years I would have multiple brackets to at least follow, but this was my one and only this year.

cartman · 03-20-2010, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by panerd

I am sure you can find of the those for every team that is left in the tournament right now. Butler, Wake Forest, Cornell, Mizzou.

I Googled it, but didn't find any articles about Mizzou being primed for a tourney run after getting blown out by Nebraska in the conference tourney.

sterlingice · 03-20-2010, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Galaril

Agree and sorry I was paying attention to the thread earlier. I see now that you are a Jayhawks fan. I did not know that. Sorry for the loss Kansas had a great season and to be honest all ribbing aside NI was just hot and lucky like George Mason acouple of years ago. Whoever meets these guys next whether it be Michigan St. or Maryland better not take them lightly.

Alumnus, actually- so I have a bit invested in them (Student loans paid off last year, tho! Suck it, Nelnet!) and Lord knows I'm going to be overly sensitive the next 24 hours about this as it just feels crappy. I really would have been happy with a Final Four trip this year as I think that's a huge accomplishment but it was not to be. I loved that feeling in 2008 but it looks like another team gets to feel that this year. I'd really like it to be a team that hasn't had great success in a while as the fans will value it more- again, why I'd love to see Baylor or Kansas State do well. Hell, maybe even Mizzou

I'll definitely be rooting for UNI going forward as I would have liked to have all along (wife is from Iowa). I just wish we would have been there to root for, too.

Also, like we've been saying (meanstrosity, another big KU fan here)- I don't think they got lucky. They imposed their will on us and beat us. To claim it was lucky cheapens it, I think. They went out there and just gave us a good ass kicking.

SI

Noop · 03-20-2010, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by cartman

I Googled it, but didn't find any articles about Mizzou being primed for a tourney run after getting blown out by Nebraska in the conference tourney.

BURN!!!!!!!!!!!

panerd · 03-20-2010, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by cartman

I Googled it, but didn't find any articles about Mizzou being primed for a tourney run after getting blown out by Nebraska in the conference tourney.

Missouri's coach has some insight on West Virginia - STLtoday.com

I am sure you could find 10 in all of the local Missouri papers. I was just talking about fluff pieces that will only look good with 20/20 hindsight.

panerd · 03-20-2010, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Noop

BURN!!!!!!!!!!!

OK? He's a Texas fan. I think they are still looking for those 8 points that Wake stole from them in overtime the other night. And if I not mistaken you are either Florida or Florida State. Either case your team laid an egg. Mizzou on the other hand will be one of 24 teams going for the 2010 National Championship.

sterlingice · 03-20-2010, 07:29 PM

Oh, man, c'mon K-State! The computers loved BYU so I knew this was going to be a rough game, but they need to get it in gear.

SI

cartman · 03-20-2010, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by panerd

Missouri's coach has some insight on West Virginia - STLtoday.com

I am sure you could find 10 in all of the local Missouri papers. I was just talking about fluff pieces that will only look good with 20/20 hindsight.

You of course realize the difference in an article written a week before the tourney began and ones written after the first set of games played.

RainMaker · 03-20-2010, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Matthean

Interesting article by Pat Forde on NIU.

Yeah, NIU is a really strong team. I think they kind of fucked Kansas by having them as a 9 seed (they should have been a 4 or 5). Same goes for Syracuse who has to play a Gonzaga seed that has no business being an 8 seed.

The top seeds in each bracket seem to have gotten the shaft with the exception of Duke.

Blade6119 · 03-20-2010, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

We're supposed to be already out of this thing already. It's just gravy now. No need to shy away from that. If we win tomorrow, it will mark two straight years we've advanced further than Kansas. Wouldn't be bad at all.

Mizzou was not supposed to make the tournament this year, Kansas was supposed to win the title, and worst case scenario we both go out in the second round of the tourney. No matter how you spin that, Mizzou wins

Young Drachma · 03-20-2010, 07:32 PM

For the masses:

UNI = University of Northern Iowa
NIU = Northern Illinois University.

Carry on.

whomario · 03-20-2010, 07:32 PM

Madness continues, BYU up 10-0 early

Fredette draws a ton of attention, actually does look similar to Curry´s situation at Davidson after Jason Richards graduated.

panerd · 03-20-2010, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by cartman

You of course realize the difference in an article written a week before the tourney began and ones written after the first set of games played.

I am just saying there are a million fluff pieces out there about every angle of this tournament. I don't remember even phrasing my response as a debate with whoever put it just more of a post that writers like Forde will play an angle like this for every big sporting event and sometimes it will hit and sometimes it will miss.

Michigan Wolverines, Rich Rodriguez eager for chance to make everyone forget 2008 - ESPN

Mizzou B-ball fan · 03-20-2010, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by cartman

I Googled it, but didn't find any articles about Mizzou being primed for a tourney run after getting blown out by Nebraska in the conference tourney.

Did you google to read up on what it's like to make the second round of the NCAA tournament or how long it's been since Texas beat Mizzou?

Me neither. I already know about both topics quite well.

gstelmack · 03-20-2010, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

It's become pretty obvious that both networks are trying to drive as many viewers as possible to their online feeds

I'd love this, if they'd make them available through Hulu or something for easy streaming through my Xbox360 or Sony Blu-Ray player so I can watch them full-size on my TV. Alas, they aren't there yet with live sports...

cartman · 03-20-2010, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

Did you google to read up on what it's like to make the second round of the NCAA tournament or how long it's been since Texas beat Mizzou?

Me neither.

I still remember the 2003 Final Four, as well as the 2006 and 2008 trips to the Elite Eight.

sterlingice · 03-20-2010, 07:37 PM

There we go- KSU starting to get back into the game

SI

Matthean · 03-20-2010, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by panerd

I am sure you can find of the those for every team that is left in the tournament right now. Butler, Wake Forest, Cornell, Mizzou.

Butler beat a 12 and 13 seed, Even if they had to play a four seed, it's not big for a 5 seed to beat them. Mizzou has been covered, but one win in a 7-10 matchup isn't much of a story. Cornell pulled off the upset, but it was one game and it's the infamous 5-12 matchup. Wake merely won a 8-9 matchup by a point.

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Originally Posted by panerd

Missouri's coach has some insight on West Virginia - STLtoday.com

Because Mizzou has actually beaten WVU?

sterlingice · 03-20-2010, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by cartman

I still remember the 2003 Final Four.

I'll never understand fans who delight more in the torment of their rivals than actually enjoy their own success.

SI

Mizzou B-ball fan · 03-20-2010, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Blade6119

Mizzou was not supposed to make the tournament this year, Kansas was supposed to win the title, and worst case scenario we both go out in the second round of the tourney. No matter how you spin that, Mizzou wins

I've got the thought that we would have a 10 vs. 11 matchup in the Sweet 16 if we can just find a way past WVU. Judging from what I've seen from Washington and their athletes, that would be another fun matchup to watch.

panerd · 03-20-2010, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

Did you google to read up on what it's like to make the second round of the NCAA tournament or how long it's been since Texas beat Mizzou?

Me neither. I already know about both topics quite well.

10 years from now...

Texas fan #1: "Remember the tournament game where we were up 8 against Wake Forest and they came back to win?"

Texas fan #2: "Sort of. Was that the Tim Duncan era?"

Texas fan #1: "No but Wake Forest was 19-10 that year!"

Noop · 03-20-2010, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by panerd

OK? He's a Texas fan. I think they are still looking for those 8 points that Wake stole from them in overtime the other night. And if I not mistaken you are either Florida or Florida State. Either case your team laid an egg. Mizzou on the other hand will be one of 24 teams going for the 2010 National Championship.

Why are you acting all butt hurt?

cartman · 03-20-2010, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by sterlingice

I'll never understand fans who delight more in the torment of their rivals than actually enjoy their own success.

SI

It is usually because their successes are few and far between.

panerd · 03-20-2010, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Matthean

Butler beat a 12 and 13 seed, Even if they had to play a four seed, it's not big for a 5 seed to beat them. Mizzou has been covered, but one win in a 7-10 matchup isn't much of a story. Cornell pulled off the upset, but it was one game and it's the infamous 5-12 matchup. Wake merely won a 8-9 matchup by a point.

Because Mizzou has actually beaten WVU?

No idea what you are debating about. To my knowledge I have no difference of opinion with you, do I?

Mizzou B-ball fan · 03-20-2010, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by sterlingice

I'll never understand fans who delight more in the torment of their rivals than actually enjoy their own success.

SI

Which is a silly comment and something that beakers roll out every time their Final Four team falls flat on its face. No one delights more in the torment of their rivals than the success of their own team. It's a ridiculous and faulty assertion.

Matthean · 03-20-2010, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by panerd

I am just saying there are a million fluff pieces out there about every angle of this tournament. I don't remember even phrasing my response as a debate with whoever put it just more of a post that writers like Forde will play an angle like this for every big sporting event and sometimes it will hit and sometimes it will miss.

Michigan Wolverines, Rich Rodriguez eager for chance to make everyone forget 2008 - ESPN

Not even close to the same kind of article I posted. Really, you're just failing at this.

panerd · 03-20-2010, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Noop

Why are you acting all butt hurt?

That makes sense.

Mizzou B-ball fan · 03-20-2010, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by cartman

It is usually because their successes are few and far between.

You'd be the expert in that department.

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