WW: Scooby Doo and the Horrible Halloween Party of Doom! Game over - Monsters win!!

[GoldenEagle]

Originally Posted by JAG

That's a terrible idea. Seriously. Villagers aren't the only ones reading this.

Right. But the bodyguard can say whether or not Lathum is telling the truth. I guess we will find out soon enough if he gets duked, but Martin can confirm is Lathum is Daphene.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by GoldenEagle

He could protect the same person again if he protected you, which was probably the logical thing to do.

still, that isn't anything the wolves need to know

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by GoldenEagle

Right. But the bodyguard can say whether or not Lathum is telling the truth. I guess we will find out soon enough if he gets duked, but Martin can confirm is Lathum is Daphene.

Please lay out a scenario where it is even possible I am lying?

it seems like you are fishing for info from Martin here.

[JAG]

With that information, I know (but you all don't) that in the final vote for PB, there were four villagers and that the wolves were all on a combo of Abe or Telle. The uncleared, un-role revealed players on PB prior to PB's reveal were myself, RA, and ntn.

[Coffee Warlord]

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[GoldenEagle]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Please lay out a scenario where it is even possible I am lying?

it seems like you are fishing for info from Martin here.

Of course I am fishing for info. Instead of:

"Hi, I am Freddy"

He should have at least said:

"Hi, I am Freddy, I checked out Lathum last night and what he said is the truth. He is Daphene. I am in love with her (him)."

[JAG]

Originally Posted by GoldenEagle

Right. But the bodyguard can say whether or not Lathum is telling the truth. I guess we will find out soon enough if he gets duked, but Martin can confirm is Lathum is Daphene.

That's a terrible idea again. Lathum's allegiance will be known at the lynch tonight. If he is a wolf (which I rate as highly unlikely), the real duke will change the lynch vote to Lathum, simple as that.

Martin should NOT reveal any information about who he has guarded because it could give the wolves information about who they should target tonight.

[Coffee Warlord]

Ohhhhh Jaggggg?

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by GoldenEagle

Of course I am fishing for info. Instead of:

"Hi, I am Freddy"

He should have at least said:

"Hi, I am Freddy, I checked out Lathum last night and what he said is the truth. He is Daphene. I am in love with her (him)."

I don't see a difference.

Either you believe he is Freddie or you don't. How does him saying he cleared me last night make a difference?

If he is Freddie and I am lying he undoubtedly calls me out on it, if he is a wolf he knows I am telling the truth so whats the point.

You either believe him or you don't. My involvement in it means nothing.

I really don't see the reason why you are even involving me in this.

[JAG]

Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

Ohhhhh Jaggggg?

Yes?

[Coffee Warlord]

Originally Posted by JAG

Yes?

Enough of the secret squirrel I know stuff and you don't neener neener junk?

[Lathum]

huh?

[JAG]

I'm not sure why you're focusing on that vs. the other information I've posted.

[JAG]

Anyway, I have nothing else to add for now. Will be back later.

[Lathum]

What the ghouls name are you talking about CW?

[Coffee Warlord]

You really expect me to live with stuff like...

With that information, I know (but you all don't)

[The Jackal]

At first I assumed he meant he was talking about knowing that he was good, something most of us wouldn't know (unless he's telling the truth, then the wolves know), but it seemed like he was hinting he knew something about RA, right?

[Lathum]

Lerriuqs

Day 1- Casts a vote on Abe making it 6-6 at the time. Was previously on RA.
Day 2- Votes Abe again, putting Abe up 3-0
Day 3- Votes NTN

Overall I find it very unlikely he is a wolf based on those votes.

JAG

Day 1- Early vote on PB, bringing a 6th candidate into the mix on day 1.
Day 2- Casts a late vote on Abe, potentially sealing his fate. Puts abe up by 2 votes on NTN.
Day 3- Casts a vote on CW, tying him up with NTN, after I reveal as Duke he moves to Hoops.

Overall if NTN is good he looks good, if NTN is a wolf he looks pretty bad.

The Jackal

Day 1- Cast a vote on Abe making it a 3-3 tie at the time with PB
Day 2- Votes Abe, putting him up 6-4 over NTN
Day 3- Votes Jag, pulling him into a race with CW and NTN. Eventually moves onto Hoops.

If NTN is a villager he looks good. If NTN is a wolf he looks not as good. The timing of his votes on Abe elevate him a bit though. Even if on Day 2 NTN is a wolf, I would think getting NTN lynched over Abe would be a priority.

GoldenEagle-

Day 1- Casts a late vote on Abe creating a tie, stays on Abe.
Day 2- Casts a late vote on NTN bringing things pretty close between NTN and ABE, once we know NTN’s alligence there will be some clarity here.
Day 3- Part of the late movement towards Hoops, moves off NTN in the process.

Overall his day 1 vote on Abe makes him look pretty good until we find out about NTN.

Chief Rum
Day 1- Votes GE, then switches and moves onto Abe, putting Abe up 4-3 over PB and RA.
Fay 2- Votes NTN, making it 3-2 with Abe in the lead. Could be trying to get NTN lynched over Abe, but that day 1 vote makes me think otherwise.
Day 3- Late vote on NTN putting him up 5-3 over CW
Overall I lean towards him being good.

ntndeacon
Day 1- Was all over the place, finishing on Telle. In there he also put PB up over Abe by 2 votes
Day 2- Early vote on Abe, could be an effort to buy trust.
Day 3-Places an interesting vote on CW making it 3-2-2 with himself and hoops.

Overall it seems he is the lynchpin here, the odd thing is day 3 why not vote hoops, putting hoops up by 2 and creating some distance there. Why pull CW into things? If NTN is a wolf this makes CW look pretty good.

Coffee Warlord
Day 1- attempts to unvote Abe but misses deadline. Had previously switched from KWhit to Abe, tying Abe and PB up.
Day 2- Votes NTN, putting him one up on Abe.
Day 3- Votes NTN, putting him 3-2 with Hoops

Overall looks decent unless he is a wolf trying to get NTN lynched instead of Abe day 2, but his day 1 and 3 votes look good.

Raiders Army
Day 1- Votes PB putting him up by 2 over Abe, unvotes PB after reveal and then waits. Votes Abe once Abe has a 2 vote lead over PB, things look bad for Abe and may want to buy trust. Then votes Telle in the end.
Day 2- Early vote on NTN after Abe is up 3-0, again, looks like a wolf trying to save Abe.
Day 3- Votes Hoops early, then switchs to NTN, again, could be a gain trust vote.


Overall I think RA and NTN look the worst.

Lerriuqs, CR and GE look pretty good

[Lathum]

Vote Raiders Army

[Lathum]

I think RA looks most likely to be a wolf and NTN teachs us the most.

Jackal and Jag are the other 2 I would be looking at.

[Lathum]

there is also a chance RA is the cultist and was trying to save a wolf

[KWhit]

I agree with that Lathum. Thanks for putting that together.

I think today comes down to ntn, RA, or JAG.

I'll put my vote on RA so we can tighten things up a bit to keep it interesting.

VOTE RAIDERS ARMY

[MartinD]

In hindsight, I should have taken a bit longer to think over things before posting this morning - that's the problem when you're trying to catch up before going to work...

Originally Posted by GoldenEagle

Martin, can you tell us why you did not guard Shaggy last night? Also, who have you guarded so far?

I'm not going to say who I guarded last night (for obvious reasons!), but I guarded myself on Night 1, and PB/Shaggy on Night 2 - that should cover both questions.

[MartinD]

As at post 1123:

ntndeacon: 5 - RaidersArmy (1048), Chief Rum (1050), TheJackal (1064), JAG (1075), Coffee Warlord (1088)
RaidersArmy: 2 - Lathum (1119), KWhit (1122)


lerriuqs 'voted' for ntndeacon in post 1066, but did not bold/caps the vote.

Lathum voted for KWhit in post 1057, but unvoted in 1091 (following KWhit's reveal as Don Knotts in 1082/1083.

[JAG]

Originally Posted by Lathum

there is also a chance RA is the cultist and was trying to save a wolf

FYI, if he is the cultist, he doesn't know the wolves. Per the rules, he only obtains that information if he gets converted.

[EagleFan]

Just to play devil's advocate. We could force Lathum's hand today by voting him. We already have a bit of voting history today to play with.

Do we know for certain that all roles are in the game? Do the wolves know if a role is not in the game?

[EagleFan]

dola: I trust that Lathum would have a good read on things and that he will hit a wolf if he dukes. With that said I would also feel much better knowing for certain that he is who he claims and that there isn't a chance that the role is not in the game and the wolves know it.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by KWhit

I agree with that Lathum. Thanks for putting that together.

I think today comes down to ntn, RA, or JAG.

I'll put my vote on RA so we can tighten things up a bit to keep it interesting.

VOTE RAIDERS ARMY

I mentioned earlier that I like RA as a wolf even better than NTN, but I voted for NTN because I felt there was still a good chance he is a wolf AND we learn something about the votes Days two and Three.

So obviously, I don't have an issue with an RA vote. I don't see it being wrong to go either way there.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Schmidty

Igor - Igor is a sniveling coward, and if he is ever kidnapped, he will join the Monsters; however, he will not be able to perform a kidnapping, nor can he PM with the Monsters. He will know their identities though, and they will know his. He will then win if the Monsters win, but won't count as one with regard to win conditions. Unless he is kidnapped, he counts as a normal Party-goer.

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[Lathum]

Originally Posted by JAG

FYI, if he is the cultist, he doesn't know the wolves. Per the rules, he only obtains that information if he gets converted.

can Schmidty confirm this, it is not how I read the rules.

[KWhit]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

I mentioned earlier that I like RA as a wolf even better than NTN, but I voted for NTN because I felt there was still a good chance he is a wolf AND we learn something about the votes Days two and Three.

So obviously, I don't have an issue with an RA vote. I don't see it being wrong to go either way there.

Same here. You're right that we learn more from a ntn lynch. But we may learn even more in the long run if we keep it close between RA and ntn to see what develops through the votes today. Hopefully it doesn't matter and they're both wolves.

[Lathum]

There is a good chance I duke to RA today

[Lathum]

I am out for a few hours, we will see what develops.

[KWhit]

Originally Posted by Lathum

can Schmidty confirm this, it is not how I read the rules.

Me either. But now that I'm thinking about it, and re-read the description, JAG may be right.

I wonder if JAG has any inside knowledge on this role?

Hmmmmmm.....

[EagleFan]

VOTE LATHUM

Sorry, just want to cover all of our bases. Just in case the wolves know of a role that is not in the game.

[EagleFan]

Not that it measn anything but I found the post that gave J23 away. Post 666 (ironic enough).

"I'd really rather not see Abe lynched and us to gain nothing when we learn he's a villager"

Not "if" we find he is a villager but "when". That tells me that he scanned him and got a good result.

Now, did anyone latch onto that post? (though not mention that part)

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Lathum

can Schmidty confirm this, it is not how I read the rules.

When I read that role description, the way it's written, suggests to me that the identity thing only happens after the wolves find Igor. That's how I have been assuming it, though. Good to confirm. Schmidty?

[MartinD]

From the voting so far, it looks like ntndeacon is the popular choice, and one which I agree with. That said, I don't know how much information we'll get out of today's voting if it ends up being a one-horse race.

The other option (unless I want to introduce another candidate, which I'm not keen on doing unless I have very good reason) is Raiders Army - there's enough there in the voting history to raise suspicion, so my vote is going there for just now.

VOTE RAIDERS ARMY

I'll be back on to see what's happening a bit later on, but will be finished for the night at around 10.30 UK time (which is 6.30 Eastern if I'm working things out right...)

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by EagleFan

VOTE LATHUM

Sorry, just want to cover all of our bases. Just in case the wolves know of a role that is not in the game.

lol...I swear, if you weren't Scooby...

[GoldenEagle]

The only problem with MartinD's reveal as the bodyguard is that he is lying. He is not Freddy, because I am Freddy. I would not normally come out with this information, but since since Shaggy and Velma are dead, there is no one else really for me to guard. I have guarded Lathum the last two nights, so I found out he was Daphene after night two.

I don't know what to make of MartinD. If he is a villager and is just tired of playing and claiming he is the BG so that the wolves will kill him, well that is BS and he deserves to go anyway.

The other alternative is he is a wolf or the cultist. I would bet he is the cultist and is asking the wolves to kidnap him.

VOTE MARTIND

[KWhit]

Hmmmm...

[Coffee Warlord]

I think we kill two birds with one stone here.

Lathum? Duke him. That'll validate GE and you without question.

[EagleFan]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

lol...I swear, if you weren't Scooby...

Why? How does it hurt us to cover all bases? Lathum can be a dangerous wolf. This could be a play that he would make if he was a wolf and thought that things looked bad for his side.

I think the odds are that everything is legit but how does it hurt us by finding out?

[GoldenEagle]

Lathum is 100% cleared. If we voted him it would be a waste of our time and a waste of a duke.

[EagleFan]

With reveals all over the place it's obvious the wolves are getting desperate. That means we are getting close to a win. That also means that we should test Lathum tonight. Vote for him, let him use his gut to duke. I trust his gut when he is a villager.

[KWhit]

Hmmm...

I'm almost thinking that we let GE and MartinD both live.

Make the wolves do our dirty work for us. I assume that they will try to kill off the real bodyguard, at which point we kill off the one that's left standing.

[KWhit]

Originally Posted by EagleFan

With reveals all over the place it's obvious the wolves are getting desperate. That means we are getting close to a win. That also means that we should test Lathum tonight. Vote for him, let him use his gut to duke. I trust his gut when he is a villager.

I disagree.

We will get NO value out of today's voting record if we all vote for Lathum and "put it in his hands."

[Coffee Warlord]

Originally Posted by KWhit

Hmmm...

I'm almost thinking that we let GE and MartinD both live.

Make the wolves do our dirty work for us. I assume that they will try to kill off the real bodyguard, at which point we kill off the one that's left standing.

*IF* Martin is the Cultist, we lose a villager and they gain a wolf, as far as the game-end count goes. Not a good play.

[GoldenEagle]

I will be guarding myself tonight so the wolves will be wasting a night kill if they attempt to kill me.

[KWhit]

Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

*IF* Martin is the Cultist, we lose a villager and they gain a wolf, as far as the game-end count goes. Not a good play.

They gain a cultist for one night only. We just lynch him the next day.