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In end, youre the one insulting a person whos genuinely in pain for these people, you are the one complaining about looters who lost everything they own. Last edited by chinaski : 09-02-2005 at 03:05 PM. |
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09-02-2005, 11:28 AM | #1102 | |
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09-02-2005, 11:30 AM | #1103 | |
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Impassible? How is it possible for some of the residents who have evacuated the area to come back and view damage to their property? It can't be that difficult to get through. On top of that, if it were difficult to get too, they would normally set up a spot on the outskirts of town as a station where the supplies would transported. This is what they do for hurricane relief in other areas all the time when the roads are impassible. They either bring the people to a designated local or they send people, by way of air or ground to where people have come together. Quote:
Yes, this seems to be true. What I was trying to point out is that restlessness started because of the lack of response and time tends to erode at the sanity of people, especially with death already occuring at that point, lack of food and water, and temperatures close to the 90s with humidity. Quote:
And I agree with this, since the reports that the helicopter couldn't land doesn't appear to be fabricated. That is why I believe a quicker response would have alleviated a lot of trouble that is occuring now. Edited for my dola: And referring to my first paragraph, how in the heck are they bussing people out of there if the streets are impassable? Last edited by Antmeister : 09-02-2005 at 12:31 PM. |
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09-02-2005, 11:34 AM | #1105 |
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If everyone is going to be running around blaming everyone over the next few months, I sure hope the media gets their share. . .
News is just seems to be the typical 'everything is shit, nothing is good' reporting. Media needs to take some blame especially if the reports of violence are way overblown which in turn resulted in delays because people had to rethink how to go into different areas because there was the illusion they had to protect themselves more than they might have...
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09-02-2005, 11:36 AM | #1106 |
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Good deal EF (hopefully), I was badly hoping you'd see that post & be able to get some use from it. (I considered posting this in its own thread, decided things were already scattered enough)
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You have got to be fucking kidding me. 6:07 A.M. - Jefferson Parish Emergency Operations Director Walter Maestri: Entergy is considering pulling out its crews trying to bring power back until there is some semblance of order. Entergy says some crew linemen have been shot at. 5:41 A.M. - (AP) Doctors at two desperately crippled hospitals in New Orleans called The Associated Press Thursday morning pleading for rescue, saying they were nearly out of food and power and had been forced to move patients to higher floors to escape looters. "We have been trying to call the mayor's office, we have been trying to call the governor's office ... we have tried to use any inside pressure we can. We are turning to you. Please help us," said Dr. Norman McSwain, chief of trauma surgery at Charity Hospital, the larger of two public hospitals. 4:55 A.M. - Refugee Alan Gould spoke to CNN from inside the New Orleans Convention Center. He said sick, eldery and children are dying and children have been beaten and raped. He pleaded for help. 4:15 P.M. - (AP): Police say storm victims are being raped and beaten inside the New Orleans Convention Center. About 15,200 people who had taken shelter at the convention center to await buses grew increasingly hostile. Police Chief Eddie Compass says he sent in 88 officers to quell the situation at the building, but they were quickly beaten back by an angry mob. Compass says, "We have individuals who are getting raped, we have individuals who are getting beaten." He says tourists are walking in that direction and they are getting preyed upon. In hopes of defusing the unrest at the convention center, Mayor Ray Nagin gave the refugees permission to march across a bridge to the city's unflooded west bank for whatever relief they can find. But the bedlam appeared to make leaving difficult. 2:37 P.M. - CNN Reports that snipers have fired shots on Charity Hospital in New Orleans. All of those reports were from the last 24 hours at WWLTV.com. These are not the actions of a select few individuals. And for God's sakes, the President wasn't "playing golf in Texas" the day after the hurricane hit. You have no idea what the fuck you are talking about.
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09-02-2005, 11:41 AM | #1110 | |
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Hmmm...Rhandi Rhodes said he was playing golf here in Phoenix. Cindy Sheehan said he was playing golf in San Diego. Now it's Texas? He sure played a lot of golf this week. |
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09-02-2005, 11:43 AM | #1111 | |
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Well he has some rich oil baron buddies, and since they are all racist too, they are paying to fly him around the country to play golf and ignore the crisis. |
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09-02-2005, 11:49 AM | #1113 | |
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Somehow this is supposed to prove a point? Those are the 3 reports "everyone" is talking about. Lets stop relief all together! Cam, im sorry, i was wrong. He wasnt playing the day after, it was the DAY OF the hurricane. oops! |
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09-02-2005, 11:51 AM | #1115 | |
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I wouldn't have seen this except for Cam's quote, but ...
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Enough that I don't feel any need to come online & try to play hero for doing it. And, thanks to my wife, enough that I'm worried that we probably are in the process of spending (once a couple of the groups we've identified as recipients are reachable) more than maybe we should. Enough that the total will ultimately exceed any single-subject donation we've ever made, including those to my own child's school or entities in our own local area or state. And that'll just have to satisfy your curiosity, I'm not interested in sending you tax returns or receipts past, present, or future.
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dont break your back trying to suck your tiny dick either. He calls me all sorts shit while demonizing people whove lost everything they own and some how im the bad guy? Im bitching about trying to HELP people, you fucks are bitching about looters. I wonder who falls on the side of good here? |
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Chinaski, this thread we an excellent place for everyone to get together and talk about waht is happening and how the events are unfolding. It was an excellent place to go for updates and to be informed form a central location.
Thanks for shitting all over that
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There is enough blame to go around for everyone (mayor, governor, Dept. of Homeland security, President, weather forcasters who said it was going to Florida, a construction company that tied a barge to the levee along the 17th St Canal, the media for grossly misrepresenting the conditions in the city, etc).
There is always looting in a cities even for something as stupid as an NBA team winning a championship. There is no excuse for the National Guard not being in the city immediately after the storm passed Monday morning and before the levee broke later in the day. They had enough time before the storm to prepare some units. Large groups of people should not have had to go even 48 hours without supplies being delivered. The horribly inept response to the disaster helped create an environment that is being exploited by a small group of violent criminals. The viloent criminals should be shot if neccessary, and those responsible for the disaster response should be fired. Placing all the blame on the looters is wrong; placing all the blame on the government is also wrong. The current situation would not exists without each other. edit: I should probably proofread posts made when I am stressed Last edited by Masked : 09-02-2005 at 12:08 PM. |
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I'm in the Houston area. My family and I have decided to go help out at Reliant Center with the refugees. Either with our time and effort, just bringing supplies, or hopefully both.
Here's my concern. What do I need to do to protect myself, my wife, and my children from any possible sickness that the victims may be unwittingly carrying after spending as many as 3+ days in stagnant contaminated water?
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I know that a lot of other Texas schools are doing the same thing, but I thought it was awesome that a school over 1000 miles away from NO is offering to help out...
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I know this is very localized info I'm about to post, but there's also quite a few FOFC'ers in the area of this particular site, so I'm gonna post it anyway (hope nobody minds that).
Just got this from my son's school: 1. As many of you may know, the FFA Camp in Newton County is housing around 400 evacuees (parents and children) from the hurricane ravaged areas of Louisiana and Mississippi. These evacuees have been placed under the charge of Newton County DFACS. Mrs. Jan Ballard at Newton County DFACS has notified us there is a great need for entertainment items for the children (art supplies, games, books, etc.) If you can furnish any items like this for the children, please send them to school on Tuesday (6th). 2. The Covington chapter of the Salvation Army is also working to help provide for the people at the FFA Camp. They are asking for donations of water, toiletries, towels, washcloths, linens, and snacks (nothing that will melt), etc. Drop off points for these items are - Salvation Army in Covington - Monticello Baptist Church - New Rocky Creek Baptist Church Please do not take items to the FFA Camp. Any help you can give will be deeply appreciated. I talked directly to the Covington Salvation Army office, they say right now either works equally well right now, cash or materials. (I wanted to know if they had a preference, since cash allows them to get specific things they know are short supply in the material donations). I'm now trying to find out if there's a drop-off point for those kid's items that would defintely get them on-site faster than the Tuesday plan that the school is doing. The SA office said they'd accept them too (but I kinda got the feeling that they're working more on the general items). Every since Dutch mentioned the kid's entertainment items several days ago, I've thought that was a terrific idea & something that I really want to include in my own efforts (you get weird fixations like that when your own kid is a board-game fanatic).
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Maybe I just live in my own naive, rose-colored glasses world, but I'd like to think that the reasons have a lot more to do with the situation (completely destroyed infrastructure, especially communication) and the lack of ability to move around competently. It's not "we don't want to rush to help them because they're black", it's "we can't talk to our people once they've left Texas but we've heard that all the major ways into the city are washed out". SI
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09-02-2005, 12:23 PM | #1124 |
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Jeebs - Georgia Tech took in (IIRC) 80 or so upper-level Tulane students earlier this week too.
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wow, its obvious from what Bush said that he doesnt have a firm grasp as to what is going on when he was walking the destroyed neighborhood. He turned to his cronie and asked, "Isnt there a salvation center down here?" and the guy says, "there's a bus 2 miles away." Bush says, "But there is no Salvation Center down here." "No sir"....
Wow, he isn't getting told the proper info. to understand the scope.
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Help me out here Flasch, I'm away from the TV most of the time right now -- is that like "Salvation Army Center" or is Salvation Center what the various refugee / evacuee/ aid locations are now being called (I don't recall seeing/hearing this phrase before)
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its sporadic and in no way should unrest from a natural disaster be allowed to even remotely get to the point where it could or would stop evacuation. The NG just arrived, 5 days later. The day after a hurricane hits Florida, the NG is right there, blocking off neighborhoods, not allowing residents to go back to thier homes. Remember the fights? Folks trying to get back home to see the damage and the NG literally fighting with a father while his kid screamed inside the minivan? |
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To be fair, a ton of websites have been set up for this reason from WWL to Craigslist and other sites that are usually for other stuff. SI
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True, I was just thinking of broadening things past the blog/web stage & making use of even more mainstream/widespread forms of media. My thought was "if those are working well, this might make them all even better". All of that after catching a link to a link to a link that had a great story of some blogger being able to find his wife's mother after she was transferred to a different nursing home but there had been no way to notify the family.
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again from AJC.com (who, like Ben, I have to say is doing a pretty good job with this)
DeKalb County CEO Vernon Jones said today he is declaring a state of emergency to deal with an influx of evacuees from the hurricane-ravaged Gulf Coast. Jones will ask Gov. Sonny Perdue to issue a statewide emergency declaration and to request assistance from the Federal Emergency Management Agency. The federal government could then reimburse DeKalb and other local governments for providing temporary housing, medical care and other services to people who fled the hurricane. "We've got to accommodate those people who either are here or are on their way here," Jones said. But without state and federal assistance, he said, "we can't accommodate the huge impact." Jones said he had no idea how many people have evacuated to metro Atlanta. But he said the numbers appear to be significant; while appearing on radio station V-103 Thursday to solicit donations of money and supplies to send to the Gulf Coast, he said, evacuees appeared at the station to give first-hand accounts of their exodus. Local governments, Jones said, need to "process these people rather than [them] just hitting us and flooding our gates."
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Well, to be fair, did you see the guy talking on Sunday about the Superdome? His quote that he kept having to say over and over again was to the effect that people need to remember that it was a refuge of last resort and while the future is a nice thing to think about, the only thing they could really plan for was trying to keep people alive through Tuesday morning. SI
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Huckleberry, I'm not an infectious disease expert (obviously) but the main things that people likely have as of right now is E. Coli. That is not transmittable as long as you don't go wading into their crap (literally) or drinking contaminated water. I *think* it should be reasonably safe for you to go and help bring supplies or aid in other ways. |
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By the way, how can this be considered a logistical nightmare when Houston can successfully coordinate bussing people out of the Superdome. The streets can't be that impassible if they can do this. So brininging in supplies should not have been a matter of only being flown in.
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thats not the point, he was surprised that there wasn't a "center" nearby. The lingo doesnt bother me as it can vary from area of the country to area.
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The first supplies for the convention center arrived about 15 minutes ago, it rolled up in a 20 truck caravan with the NG. Thats the frustration everyone is feeling, the convention center route has been clear. |
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Sorry, my bad for not being clearer -- I didn't mean it was the point, I was just asking 'cause I didn't know & was wondering.
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oh, that I dont know. Could be called "That place over there" for all I know
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They had a report on WWL (I swear, they have the best coverage by a mile, tho today it seems like it's been press conference tv) where a meteorologist was brought in on Tuesday, before there were all kinds of satellite images out there and people really had no idea how bad it was. He was talking about how, over land, when the morning starts to heat up, the little fluffy clouds start to form over the land. But the kicker is that they don't form over water. So then he pulled out a satellite of Southern Louisiana and there were the little fluffy clouds all up to the north, but then once you got south of Lake Pontchartrain, there were practically none except for a few south of the Mississippi river and then they abruptly stopped again, the implication of course being that everything else was under water due to the levee breaking the night before. That was pretty much the first time I started to grasp the magnitude of how things had gone from slightly bad with a few areas destroyed to the "um, how the hell do you even start to rebuild". The good news nugget in all this is that if there are little fluffy clouds over your house, it's probably fine waterwise. SI
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but it's not like there were truckloads of pallets of water and food sitting in states surrounding NO. I'm not saying there isn't the possibilty that it could have gotten there faster but I kinda doubt people were twiddling their thumbs in regards to sending stuff |
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On the wire service in the past hour.
NEW ORLEANS (AP) - A huge oil spill was spotted near two storage tanks on the Mississippi River downstream from New Orleans, state officials said Friday. The oil was seen in a flyover to the Venice area by the Department of Environmental Quality. "Two tanks with the capacity of holding 2 million barrels appear to be leaking," the department said in a statement. No further details were given.
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Ah yes, the old fallback. When confronted with proof of your idiocy, say the other guy has a tiny penis. President Bush wasn't playing golf this week, Chinaski. He was at the El Mirage RV and Golf Center for a Medicaid roundtable. There was no golf played. Again, you are speaking out of your ass. There were plenty more incidents than the three that I found on ONE website. You are lashing out at the President because that is all you know how to do. You are patting yourself on the back for your donations because it makes you feel superior to others. You're claiming that it's racism on the part of the President, FEMA, the Governor of Louisiana (who's in charge of the NG troops), and other officials that have prevented aid from coming into New Orleans when that is the most farfetched of reasons for this clusterfuck. You disgust me. I apologize to all for continuing this discussion rather than letting this thread get back to good solid information. I'm just disgusted by this train of thought that is becoming increasingly prevalent.
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I'm in the camp that's thinking there should have been a better command structure in place for such an emergency and some better planning for after the fact but I think the preparation beforehand was about as good as they could muster. All the people bitching about having a 72 hour evacuation plan are really failing to take this into consideration and falling into the hindsight 20/20 trap. It wasn't until half that where it even seemed like a remote possibility. Hell, didn't they just have a 105 mph hurricane there a couple of (last?) years ago and not much happened to the city? Certainly nothing of this magnitude. Exceptioning the tourists, who were really screwed in this when they shut down the airport ahead of time, everyone who could (and wanted to- not the "I'm going down with the ship" crowd) managed to get out of town. Even with only 24 hours to really evacuate, they managed to get 1 million people out of town and I remember 2am Monday morning when the outermost bands of storms were arriving, one reporter was standing at the bridge in Baton Rouge that comes in from New Orleans and he was commenting on how it was empty and everyone who wanted to get out had. The Superdome and the other "shelters of last resort" seemed to have held up and kept people from dying to the elements in the first 24 hours and while a handful suffered stress-related deaths, everyone else was still alive, even if uncomfortable. It wasn't until the levee broke, flooding a lot more of the city that things went crazily south to where we are now. SI
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I've searched and scanned the thread, but I've haven't seen any reference to this. Has anyone seen/heard the interview with CNN's Soledad O'Brien that she did with FEMA director Mike Brown? It was unreal.
She asked why it's taken until Friday to get the national guard and troops on the ground when Tuesday the mayor and the governor issued the "SOS" and begged for help. He also admitted that HE DIDN'T KNOW THERE WERE REFUGEES AT THE CONVENTION CENTER UNTIL HE SAW IT ON TV THURSDAY. That's why these people weren't getting any food or water -- FEMA didn't know there were there. Hell, I knew there were there. So did most people paying attention to any media reports since Tuesday. And Brown had the never to blame a "lack of communication with city officials," as though he were trying to pass off the blame on them. What a tool. I'm at a loss. Troops and everything we had should have already been there. Brown also blatantly lied several times during the interview. He said "every" urban search and rescue team in the country was in New Orleans now helping to rescue people. I know SNR people in Kansas City who are not there, so it's a flat our lie. How this guy every got to head FEMA is beyond me. He needs to be replaced NOW. Whether you militarize the situation and turn everything over to the National Guard or what, I'm not sure. But this clown shouldn't be running a Baskin and Robbins much less the single-largest humanitrian effort and disaster recovery in our nation's history. I don't know if I have ever heard anyone make me so angry. They played most of the inteview on a local radio station this morning and then played clips from Ray Nagin and he was more pissed than I was. He accused FEMA and the federal government of nothing having a "goddamned clue what they are doing," and I think he was dead on. http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/World/20...199344-ap.html Nagin started to turn this into a Bush bashing, and I don't want to do that. I realize there is something to be said for the "buck stops here" mentality, but I don't think now's the time to blame Bush for the problems. I'll change my tune if Bush doesn't take Michael Brown and put a boot up his ass and lock him in a closet until this mess is over. |
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KU did the same. Heck, they said they had 20 people inquire about it which was more than I expected up here http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2005/se...nded_students/ SI
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Damn kcchief, you're as fucking clueless in this thread as you are in HA's thread.
Why the hell did I even bother to read the drivel you posted, some sort sick hope that it might be something useful I guess. You're so full of absolute horseshit & pomposity, you'd probably be able to float every refugee in New Orleans out of town on your fucking back, maybe even elevate the city to above sea level.
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