06-03-2008, 09:01 AM | #1101 |
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EF, I have to disagree with your analysis of The Jackal a little bit. You said he voted for PB before his fake reveal was exposed. However, he quotes a post by cronin saying 'I believe PB is lying.' -- the details of the reveal may not have been exposed, but if The Jackal was a wolf, then he would know cronin has something up his sleeve.
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06-03-2008, 09:05 AM | #1102 | |
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KWhit didn't hold off though, he posted multiple times in the last 10 minutes for people to NOT switch their vote. I think, if he's a wolf, if anything he knew that he couldn't switch. Same gambit I'm in I suppose. KWhit couldn't have gotten Cronin lynched, he was on Cronin already (as I was) Re: EagleFan, something just didn't sit right with me in his early Day 2. Maybe it was just the rapid-fire calling out of like 3-4 people then In the early goings he lists NINE people (me, collins, PB, Cronin, and half-calls-out you, Jackal, RendeR, olie, Lathum) But what doesn't reconcile is in post 626, PB takes his vote from CW (where he was 1 of 2) and puts it on EF (and was the 1st voter). Now maybe PB was just keen there at EF was about to pick up votes based on the sheer number of people he pinged, but one would think that if PB, who at the time was ahead 6-2-2-2 was going to move it'd be to create a 6-3-2 situation and not a 6-2-2 one. Especially since Collins (one of the 2's) had some doubt on him. |
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06-03-2008, 09:05 AM | #1103 |
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06-03-2008, 09:06 AM | #1104 |
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06-03-2008, 09:06 AM | #1105 |
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I really, really don't think that SeaLion is a wolf...as a first time wolf I had a lot of help from my fellow wolves (Shrek game) and they made sure I didn't do anything super obvious like late vote moves and that sort of thing. I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt for now, but he isn't in the clear.
I'm torn on where to vote right now - EF, Kwhit or Ketchup Boy. I'll decide shortly though...anyone have a current vote count? (Unless one was posted while I was typing this) |
06-03-2008, 09:06 AM | #1106 | |
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Grilling is one thing, but we're going on 2 days of me going over the same scenario and all along I've admitted it wasn't a good play. It's not like i'm trying to cast it as me doing a smart thing here. I just think time/energy is better served elsewhere. I can't imagine a scenario where someone hasn't formed their opinion on my bad play yet. |
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06-03-2008, 09:09 AM | #1107 | |
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Well by the same toke, I'm a kitten. How was I supposed to know, at the time, that PB was the wolf and Cronin was the stray? I think I had pretty good reason to vote for Cronin. His talk about who to vote for (voting for a lead candidate or voting for whom one thinks is a wolf) indeed *is* wildly inconsistent from previous games I played with him. And I didn't "swing" anything. I placed my vote on someone I thought at the time was a wolf. People came *after* and joined me on him, and it's not like there weren't already other candidates in the mix as well against PB. |
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06-03-2008, 09:10 AM | #1108 |
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06-03-2008, 09:11 AM | #1109 | |
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My bad -- you're right that KWhit couldn't lynch cronin. But my point remains the same, that it messed with the play of some people -- not me, because I planned to switch to PB the whole time. But that's not really what I'm after you for, anyway -- that was just something to get you riled up. |
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06-03-2008, 09:12 AM | #1110 |
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06-03-2008, 09:13 AM | #1111 | |
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I don't think that I'm singling this situation out as the only thing that matters in this dicussion -- I'm spreading myself pretty thin. I haven't had a chance to look at post 626 yet because I've been replying to posts on this page, but I will get to it. |
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06-03-2008, 09:14 AM | #1112 |
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06-03-2008, 09:15 AM | #1113 |
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06-03-2008, 09:16 AM | #1114 | |
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The post itself ain't much, it's just PB changing his vote from CW to EF. It's the fact that he went from being up 6-2-2-2 to 6-2-2-1-1. I don't think PB would change his vote (keeping in mind I don't think he'd tried the Seer reveal yet) to a fellow wolf there, if he changes as at all, I'd think he'd change to another leading candidate. |
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06-03-2008, 09:16 AM | #1115 | |
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The thing is, though, you mentioned that he'd been acting weird, then waited an hour or so to see what kind of traction, it got, THEN voted for him. I'll find post counts to verify this, cuz I may be wrong. |
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06-03-2008, 09:17 AM | #1116 | |
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Just bein' honest man. I just never have been big on noticing who hasn't voted yet, unless it's in the count. I keep a .txt open with the latest official count. If it isn't in there, I likely miss it. |
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06-03-2008, 09:17 AM | #1117 | |
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Right -- I'll look around the vote, too -- I wasn't *only* going to look at that one post! |
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06-03-2008, 09:18 AM | #1118 | |
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That could be correct, but that's just me making up my mind. I mean, by the same token, you're coming pretty hard after me, but like you said, you're vote isn't on me, is it? |
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06-03-2008, 09:18 AM | #1119 | |
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Fine, fine, I'm the Duke. I have no reason to distrust you or Lathum so I don't feel too bad about putting it out there. |
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06-03-2008, 09:20 AM | #1120 |
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06-03-2008, 09:21 AM | #1121 |
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06-03-2008, 09:21 AM | #1122 |
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I know that I am not a wolfie and my hat does not really mean anything either.
http://www.cutelittlekittens.com/kitten/8341.html |
06-03-2008, 09:22 AM | #1123 |
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06-03-2008, 09:23 AM | #1124 | |
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Indeed it isn't. *OR* people could try believing me and not lynch a kitteh. |
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06-03-2008, 09:24 AM | #1125 |
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I'm either not thinking clearly today or there just isn't a lot of evidence to go around.
I'm still not impressed with the idea of anyone else revealing. Maybe I'm overthinking this though: The unknown role(s) are the BG and the duke, I guess I'm stuck thinking the BG is pretty vital right now, but is it really? If they both reveal, then we have at most 4 people left unknown and at most 3 dogs in those 4. Someone with better math skills thans me sort that out, can we control the voting enough to hammer that out and still win with losing the roled players each night? Help me clarify this in my brain folks =) |
06-03-2008, 09:24 AM | #1126 | |
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My bad -- 24 minutes, not an hour. It seems to me that the discussion was enough to convince you that a bandwagon could form. |
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06-03-2008, 09:25 AM | #1127 |
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I just revealed as the Duke, RendeR. I felt more comfortable with it after two players I semi-trust in this game encouraged it.
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06-03-2008, 09:27 AM | #1128 |
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heinz, you're going to love this. I looked at 626, where PB puts in a vote on EF. He says that EF's vote on cronin looks worse from what he's seen. I wonder why he chose EF of all the people who had votes on cronin at the time?
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06-03-2008, 09:27 AM | #1129 | |
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Oh you meant cronin (I thought you meant EF). Yeah, I often do that. I'll bring up a point and see where it goes. I wasn't looking so much for other people joining me though as cronin's explaination. |
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06-03-2008, 09:28 AM | #1130 | |
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It's the man keeping me down, I swear. |
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06-03-2008, 09:29 AM | #1131 | |
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I just saw that after I posted =) I've got two digusting kids to clean up, someone find Lathum's list of who's Who for me so we can see what the best plan is and what smallish group we need to sift through? Please =) |
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06-03-2008, 09:30 AM | #1132 | |
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Okay, that did make me laugh. Alas, I still think there's a high probability that of the two non-trusted people who left votes on hoops (the only challenger to save PB) last night, one of them is a wolf. And right now, it's you over EF, though I think you're both safe today anyway. |
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06-03-2008, 09:32 AM | #1133 |
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It takes me a little while getting used to people before I start making a lot of posts and such.
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06-03-2008, 09:32 AM | #1134 | |
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Here's that list.
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06-03-2008, 09:33 AM | #1135 | |
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So are you arguing that PB was up 6-2-2-2, and chose that time to throw away his vote on another wolf? |
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06-03-2008, 09:44 AM | #1136 |
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06-03-2008, 09:48 AM | #1137 |
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So we've got 6 allegedly cleared players and 9 uncleared players. I think if the BG comes forward (to ensure we don't mistakenly lynch him today...HAHAHAHA) and then protects Olie tonight so she can clear (or better yet, indict) one of the remaining 8 we would actually have a COT that outnumbers the amount of suspicious people remaining So let's say I get lynched today, that'd leave 7 uncleared, 7 cleared, and let's say 3 wolves with the BG coming forward. Then they night kill the BG, but Olie clears one of the 7 uncleared, leaving 6 uncleared, 7 cleared, 3 wolves. Always voting one of the uncleared with them taking out one of the cleared (starting with Olie, I"d presume) should end in a village win, provided none of the cleared folks are lying and getting away with it. |
06-03-2008, 09:50 AM | #1138 |
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Or the bodyguard could not reveal, thereby forcing the wolves to guess and hopefully take out a regular kitten instead, both keeping the bodyguard alive and narrowing down our list of uncleared people.
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06-03-2008, 09:51 AM | #1139 | |
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Then am I wrong in thinking that EF would be your top suspect? I know you've got your vote on KWhit now, but is that purely self-defense, or does he also happen to be your top suspect? I'm trying to see if you can convince me (and others) to move somewhere else. |
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06-03-2008, 09:52 AM | #1140 |
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06-03-2008, 09:56 AM | #1142 | |
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See I was thinking along this line as well, thank you for saying it. What good is the bodyguard after tonight? Tonight he dies if he reveals, giving Olie one more scan, tomorrow Olie dies, they have no choice right? So what good is staying secretive? who else can he protect that will make a real difference at this stage of the game? I think thats what I want to know. How does staying hidden really help us at all at this point? |
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06-03-2008, 09:56 AM | #1143 |
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I just don't see any merit in the BG revealing unless you want to avoid having a wolf claim BG when he's on the chopping block. But that nails us a wolf.
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06-03-2008, 09:58 AM | #1144 |
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I just think you're oversimplifying it -- a BG reveal would mean the wolves could guess between BG, seer or regular kitty. With the BG unrevealed, the wolves pretty much have to go regular kitty, cuz they can assume the seer is protected.
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06-03-2008, 09:58 AM | #1145 | |
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I don't know what to think to be honest. On one hand, EF has acted fishy in this game as well, but I don't think PB would throw-away onto another wolf (thinking if it got close again he'd have to switch again anyhow, and his votes will be scrutinized should he get lynched) Right now, I like the idea of KWhit as the wolf (admiteddly for close to the same reasons as me, only difference is he was 2nd onto Cronin on Day One and he took the opposite tactic at the deadline, saying no one should move in an attempt to break the tie) ever-so-slightly more than EF as a wolf. |
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06-03-2008, 09:58 AM | #1146 | |
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Well we don't know who the BG protected last night. Could've been himself, could've been Olie, could've been cronin. I think that plays into the village's favor, because the wolves don't know who the BG protected either. A night block by the BG in the next few days would help a lot. I could be missing something here, but I don't see the need for a BG reveal. |
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06-03-2008, 09:59 AM | #1147 |
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Olie is dead on night 4 no matter what the BG does at this point. because he has to protect her tonight and he can't protect her two nights in a row. The seer is toast tomorrow night. So the seer is rather irrelevent. |
06-03-2008, 09:59 AM | #1148 |
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06-03-2008, 10:01 AM | #1149 |
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olie, you around for a while? i'd like to convince you not to scan hoops
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06-03-2008, 10:01 AM | #1150 | |
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Possibly. But the wolves kind of have to assume Olie is being protected, because it's a risky move to go after her tonight. Heinz and I went through this with Narc/KWhit last game. And I don't particularly like that the people pushing for the BG reveal are uncleared people at this point. |
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