Official 2023 College Football Thread

[Kodos]

Yeah, I'm pretty excited about it. We'll see if he can overcome the curse of IU football.

[GrantDawg]

Thus ends the career of the legend that never was. There were people predicting he was going to eventually go first overall in the NFL some day. In the end, he had a hard time even getting a college starting job.

Rice quarterback JT Daniels is medically retiring from football after suffering multiple concussions and being advised to retire by his doctors, he tells ESPN. With his retirement, he plans to enter the coaching space now that his playing career is done. pic.twitter.com/zJQtFSUqMb

— Pete Thamel (@PeteThamel) December 1, 2023

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

Thus ends the career of the legend that never was. There were people predicting he was going to eventually go first overall in the NFL some day. In the end, he had a hard time even getting a college starting job.

Always sad to see great potential crashing down.

Wonder if he was just overhyped from the beginning or something happened during college.

Hogs had Mitch Mustain, home bred 5-star QB back in the 2000s. He went 8-0 for us but then some BS happened with Houston Nutt, mom etc. and he left for USC. Never did much there. Many Hog fans never forgave Nutt for that.

Personally, having watched all/most of his games, I remember Mustain was "shaky" in some games, he wasn't stellar (e.g. unlike Mallett). But he was a freshman and he had an 8-0 record. Nutt should have continued on with him.

[RainMaker]

There's a halfway decent documentary on Mustain called The Identity Theft Of Mitch Mustain. It was free on Amazon Prime Video for awhile and worth a watch if you're into college football. Kind of goes into the Malzahn and Nutt feud.

[cuervo72]

WTF, #55 on Washington is basically wearing hot pants and a halter top.

[cuervo72]

Also my wife just referred sartorially to "the lizard people of Oregon."

[GrantDawg]

Oregon not looking good early.

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[GrantDawg]

Penix NFL stock going up. Nix stock dropping.

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[Ksyrup]

That was a horrendous PI call.

[Ksyrup]

That PI call changed this entire game.

[sovereignstar v2]

What are you looking at calling that out of bounds

[bronconick]

Auburn fans went looking for the hard liquor watching Bo Nix shred a 3 man rush there after last week.

[bob]

With Washington’s win over Oregon, this season is guaranteed to be the 27th consecutive season without a first time national champion.

[Honolulu_Blue]

CFP will be:
Washington
Michigan (assuming the best Iowa, which feels like a safe bet, no offense, tarcone)
Winner of Alabama/Georgia

And…

If FSU wins, they have to get in even though they likely shouldn’t.

If FSU loses and Texas wins, Texas gets in. It would be interesting if Alabama wins and Texas wins how that all shakes out given Texas beat Bama at home.

If Georgia wins and FSU and Texas lose, does OSU back door it again? It seems most likely.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue

If FSU wins, they have to get in even though they likely shouldn’t.

I kinda have the opposite feeling about FSU at this point I think.

If they win with the 3rd string QB (which looks like a definite possibility right now), I think they gotta go in. Hell, if they win with the backup, that's not a bad argument either.

[bob]

Washington is in. Let's say Alabama barely wins, Texas wins big, Michigan wins big, FSU wins big. I think SEC should be left out. 3 undefeated teams are in, Texas beat Alabama who beat UGA.

[Ghost Econ]

I guess running into the kicker isn't called anymore?

Big 12 gonna give Texas every chance to run up the score

[Honolulu_Blue]

Originally Posted by bob

Washington is in. Let's say Alabama barely wins, Texas wins big, Michigan wins big, FSU wins big. I think SEC should be left out. 3 undefeated teams are in, Texas beat Alabama who beat UGA.

Texas has definitely won big here. They beat Bama in Bama. If it’s down between those two, hard to pick Bama, but no SEC team would be really odd!

[cartman]

I'll admit I was wrong. I thought Texas was making at best a lateral move when they fired Tom Herman and hired Sark.

[Edward64]

Solid first drive and TD for the Dawgs

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by Edward64

Solid first drive and TD for the Dawgs

Georgia scoring first scares me. They haven't scored first in a long time.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by cartman

I'll admit I was wrong. I thought Texas was making at best a lateral move when they fired Tom Herman and hired Sark.

How much does NIL play a role in this? Herman didn't have tye talent Sark has.

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

How much does NIL play a role in this? Herman didn't have tye talent Sark has.

Not as much as the fact that Herman was just a shitty coach.

[sovereignstar v2]

Soooooo

Michigan, Washington, FSU, and Alabama?

If Louisville beats FSU, then Georgia backs in

[GrantDawg]

They wanted it more. Georgia loses for the first time in 30 games, and will not make the playoffs.

[dubb93]

Originally Posted by sovereignstar v2

Soooooo

Michigan, Washington, FSU, and Alabama?

If Louisville beats FSU, then Georgia backs in

Bama over Texas? Didn’t Texas beat them in Tuscaloosa?

[dubb93]

I would agree though that unless Michigan loses that GA, Ohio State, and Oregon should all be dead. Four of Michigan, Washington, FSU, Texas, and Bama should be in and I’d hate to see an undefeated power conference champ left out.

[sovereignstar v2]

Oof, I forgot about that

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

They wanted it more. Georgia loses for the first time in 30 games, and will not make the playoffs.

They did want it more.

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by Edward64

They did want it more.

To win championships, you have to have most of the breaks go your way. Nothing went Georgia's way in that game. There is a reason it nearly impossible to win three championships in a row. You are eventually going to hit a bad game at the worst time. Still, those two Championships are still there. Going into next year with a 12 team playoff, Georgia going to be in way more than they won't. Future is bright.

[GrantDawg]

You want to see people's heads explode? And no, I don't agree with this.

If the CFP committee really wants to put in the best 4 teams and not the most deserving, it’ll be:

1. Washington
2. Texas
3. Alabama
4. Georgia

Michigan got caught blatantly cheating. FSU is without at least 1 and possibly 2 QBs.

Simple.

— Adam Spencer (@AdamSpencer4) December 3, 2023

[tarcone]

GO HAWKS!!

[tarcone]

Last time Iowa beat a #2 was in 1985. Michigan was ranked 2, guess who was 1.

[sovereignstar v2]

Originally Posted by tarcone

Last time Iowa beat a #2 was in 1985. Michigan was ranked 2, guess who was 1.

Iowa State?

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by tarcone

Last time Iowa beat a #2 was in 1985. Michigan was ranked 2, guess who was 1.

UCF

[tarcone]

You guys are killing me

[Atocep]

If Michigan and FSU win:

Michigan, Washington, FSU, Texas


If either Michigan or FSU lose then Alabama likely slides in. I don't see a path for Georgia unless both Michigan and FSU lose.

SEC schools need to stop scheduling 3 non P4/5 schools with one being a FCS school in their non-conference every year expecting the SEC schedule to carry them. When the SEC is down you can't act like it's the end of the world that a SEC team is left out of the playoff.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Atocep

SEC schools need to stop scheduling 3 non P4/5 schools with one being a FCS school in their non-conference every year expecting the SEC schedule to carry them.

There's a better argument for Bama not scheduling the Texas game.
Sub in any patsy there and they're the easy #1 overall seed this year*

edit to add: * whether they had to lose that game to get to where they are today notwithstanding

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

There's a better argument for Bama not scheduling the Texas game.
Sub in any patsy there and they're the easy #1 overall seed this year.

That's actually true as well. However, if you do that and slip up at any point, including your title game, you're likely eliminated.

The SEC can't beat it's chest about how good it is while avoiding teams with a pulse in non-conference.

[SirFozzie]

At least the committee now have their excuse for going to a 12 team field.

[Ksyrup]

If FSU is going to be ranked 5th even if we win, I sincerely hope we lose because I will have a hard time enjoying college FB for a long time. It will be so easy for the committee to build an argument on "eye test" and no QB1 which allows them to sidestep the Alabama/Texas issue and I believe that's what they will do. It doesn't matter if it's unprecedented because we're going to a 12 team playoff next year so that will be no longer relevant in the future.

Just based on the way FSU has played the last half of the season, even if they win, it won't be pretty. So there's your "eye test."

[bronconick]

Brock Glenn is warming up with the 1st string, so Florida State is riding with a true freshman with four career passes. I think I'll be breaking out the vodka and getting offline for a while.

[sovereignstar v2]

This isn't Final Four seeding. The QB situation shouldn't play any role here IMO

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Atocep

The SEC can't beat it's chest about how good it is while avoiding teams with a pulse in non-conference.

Except until their CFP dominance ends, they kinda can.

I agree that it's down, I don't think there's any question about that honestly. Ole Miss went 10-2 with a team that had quite a few glaring flaws is a great example. That's not an exceptionally good team, it simply isn't. (I saw a helluva lot more of them than I saw of Missouri so I'll pick on them for this purpose)

But given where things stood entering the 2023 season, the Bama-Texas game was a mistake.

[Ksyrup]

It expressly plays a role. They've already said so. It's all eye test BS. Might as well hand Derek Jeter another Gold Glove when they announce the final 4 too.

[sovereignstar v2]

Well there should be a riot somewhere if an undefeated FSU doesn't make it

[Brian Swartz]

The CFP dominance run isn't particularly relevant because:

- Most of the conference doesn't play there, and how good a conference is, is about more than how the top team or two in it are.

- How good a conference is varies from year to year. It doesn't matter how much you've won in the past, what's relevant is how good you are this season.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

It expressly plays a role. They've already said so. It's all eye test BS. Might as well hand Derek Jeter another Gold Glove when they announce the final 4 too.

And the eye test is what I ultimately hold in the highest regard.

I've seen enough football at this point to feel like I can judge what I see on the field, it's that simple.

It probably gets tougher in the current landscape than it used to be, I'll admit. Barring a fluky injury-free run of epic proportions, we may not ever see another truly great team in college football, there's not enough depth to go around with 1,435 teams playing "D1".

[Brian Swartz]

Originally Posted by tarcone

Last time Iowa beat a #2 was in 1985. Michigan was ranked 2, guess who was 1.

Last time you said something similar, the final score was 42-3.

[cuervo72]

Man, is there anything else you want to fit in OTHER than the actual game, FOX?