OT: The FOFC Music Draft

[ntndeacon]

I have thought about doing one as well just to see what was out there

[ntndeacon]

remember to have two women singers at least Kevin

[KevinNU7]

I have 3 female leads and 1 female vocalist who is not listed as a lead but she performers mutiple verses of the song and is found all over the album

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by KevinNU7

I have 3 female leads and 1 female vocalist who is not listed as a lead but she performers mutiple verses of the song and is found all over the album

ah ha ha I bet I know who you're talking about

[KevinNU7]

PM me

[Warhammer]

Originally Posted by ntndeacon

Some times I feel like I've got to
Run away I've got to
Get Away!

Classic -
Epic - 2.5 - Another Brick in the Wall — Pink Floyd
Arena - 6.5-Do You Feel Like We Do--Peter Frampton
Trendsetter - 1.6 - Good Vibrations - Beach Boys
Love Song -7.6 - Baby Love--The Supremes
One-Hit Wonder - 9.6--Tainted Love--Soft Cell
Party - 8.5-Shout--The Isley Brothers
Crossover - 4.5-I Can't Stop Loving You--Ray Charles
Cover - 5.6 - Proud Mary--Ike and Tina Turner
Anti-Establishment -3.6-London Calling--The Clash

I was waiting to see when this would go. I would have used it as a cover personally, but since you already have Proud Mary there, I can't complain.

[lordscarlet]

Finally! A crossover true to the definition.

[Warhammer]

Originally Posted by Oilers9911

With pick 9.10 I am pleased to select as my crossover song Faith No More - Epic. Rapcore at its finest.

Classic - 1.10 Hotel California - The Eagles
Epic - 2.1 American Pie - Don McLean
Arena - 6.1 Arena - Rock and Roll All Night - Kiss
Trendsetter - 8.1 - Blitzkrieg Bop - The Ramones
Love Song - 5.10 - My Heart Will Go On (Theme from Titanic) - Celine Dion
One-Hit Wonder - 3.10 Macarena - Los Del Rio
Party - 7.10 - Old Time Rock n Roll - Bob Seger
Crossover - 9.10 - Epic - Faith No More
Cover -
Anti-Establishment - 4.1 We're Not Gonna Take It - Twisted Sister

Brilliant pick, was wondering if someone was going to take it.

[cthomer5000]

Originally Posted by Buccaneer

One of the greatest true epic songs:

Epic - 2112 - Rush

undeniably awesome, but i expect it to be punished by the voters.

[ISiddiqui]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

Not a bad song, but I'm baffled by how it fits the category.

I assume you are talking about "Head Like a Hole" (great song, btw) here. It's basically an anti-consumerist song. And one can see it as against the capitalist society that makes money a God.

[KevinNU7]

God money Ill do anything for you.
God money just tell me what you want me to.
God money nail me up against the wall.
God money dont want everything he wants it all.

No you cant take it
No you cant take it
No you cant take that away from me
No you cant take it
No you cant take it
No you cant take that away from me

Head like a hole.
Black as your soul.
Id rather die than give you control.
Head like a hole.
Black as your soul.
Id rather die than give you control.

Bow down before the one you serve.
Youre going to get what you deserve.
Bow down before the one you serve.
Youre going to get what you deserve.

God moneys not looking for the cure.
God moneys not concerned with the sick among the pure.
God money lets go dancing on the backs of the bruised.
God moneys not one to choose
No you cant take it
No you cant take it
No you cant take that away from me
No you cant take it
No you cant take it
No you cant take that away from me

Head like a hole.
Black as your soul.
Id rather die than give you control.
Head like a hole.
Black as your soul.
Id rather die than give you control.

Bow down before the one you serve.
Youre going to get what you deserve.
Bow down before the one you serve.
Youre going to get what you deserve.

Bow down before the one you serve.
Youre going to get what you deserve.
Bow down before the one you serve.
Youre going to get what you deserve.

Head like a hole.
Black as your soul.
Id rather die than give you control.
Head like a hole.
Black as your soul.
Id rather die than give you control.

Bow down before the one you serve.
Youre going to get what you deserve.
Bow down before the one you serve.
Youre going to get what you deserve.

You know who you are.

Looks easily Anti-Establishment to me

[Subby]

And with the final pick of the 2007 FOFC Music Draft, the Virginia Subbys select I Want Candy - Bow Wow Wow and place it in the one-hit wonder category. Great early MTV staple with awesome special effects!

Classic - Stairway to Heaven, Led Zeppelin (1-1)
Epic - Freebird, Lynyrd Skynyrd (3-1)
Arena - Ozzy Osbourne, Mama I'm Coming Home (8-10)
Trendsetter - Like a Virgin, Madonna (6-10)
Love Song - Lola, The Kinks (5-1)
One-Hit Wonder - I Want Candy, Bow Wow Wow (10.10)
Party - O.P.P., Naughty By Nature (7-1)
Crossover - The Charlie Daniels Band, The Devil Went Down to Georgia (9-1)
Cover - You Really Got Me, Van Halen (4-10)
Anti-Establishment - Fuck Tha Police, N.W.A. (2-10)

[KevinNU7]

Classic - Sweet Caroline, Neil Diamond
Epic - Paradise by the Dashboard light, Meatloaf
Arena - Living on a Prayer, Bon Jovi
Trendsetter - Hit me baby one more time, Brittney Spears
Love Song - Let's get it on, Marvin Gaye
One-Hit Wonder - Electric Slide, Marcia Griffiths
Party - Pour some sugar on me, Def-Leopard
Crossover - Crazy in Love, Beyonce & Jay-z
Cover - Sweet Dreams, Marilyn Manson
Anti-establishment - Say It Loud (I'm black and I'm proud), James Brown

Classic - I had a lot to chose from here but ultimately went with the Fenway Park favourite as tribute to my last month in Boston. I have no idea how this will do with voters outside of New England

Epic - This song kicks all kinds of ass. This is easily my favourite pick out of the whole list. I think this song is probably Top 4 epic out of all the ones picked

Arena - Dude no one pick Bon Jovi, what is wrong with you people

Trendsetter - She started the whorey-pop trend and is now working on crazy bald chick trend. Look out world!

Love Song - This category is about making babies, and other than Barry White there is no song that has created more babies

One-Hit Wonder - So many great songs to chose from. I decided to go with the first ever line dance. It's horrible, it is still being played at everything. You know all the words, and don't kid yourself you know the dance

Party - Def-fucking-leopard, again what is wrong with you people. I mean this category is about sex, drugs, rock n roll not a wedding song that gets grandma off the floor to dance with all the middle age women who are trying to relive their 20s.

Crossover - This pick is shitty, I know. I can't think of any goods ones that were not picked already. The best one was picked in round 1 anyways and no others are even close. I could have gone with about 10 lame songs for the last 5 years so I ended up going with two people who are very recognizable and a song that was #1 for a while

Cover - My thing with Covers is the original needs to be know and be a hit in its own right. The cover should also be successful and really be a tribute to the artist making the song his own. With that said I hate both versions of this song but both were hits.

Anti-establishment - James Brown needs to be picked and this is not only a great song but fits nicely with the race issues at the time of its release

[lordscarlet]

Originally Posted by KevinNU7

Epic - This song kicks all kinds of ass. This is easily my favourite pick out of the whole list. I think this song is probably Top 4 epic out of all the ones picked

I had this on my list of possibles, I just didn't think it was that great.

Originally Posted by KevinNU7

Trendsetter - She started the whorey-pop trend and is now working on crazy bald chick trend. Look out world!

Didn't we already say Madonna started that trend?

Originally Posted by KevinNU7

One-Hit Wonder - So many great songs to chose from. I decided to go with the first ever line dance. It's horrible, it is still being played at everything. You know all the words, and don't kid yourself you know the dance

Ummmm. No. That is just 1,000% inaccurate.

Overall some good picks. I think it's very different to pick at the end than during the event, but good nonetheless. One thing is the worry about "blocking" people and being "blocked." You generally picked some good artists, so I can't use this excuse much, but I don't think anyone would have been worried about someone else taking Neil Diamond or Brittney Spears. (This is primarily just me making an excuse, I think they're good picks -- A number of them were on my "short list" including "Sweet Dreams" and Meat Loaf)

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by lordscarlet

Finally! A crossover true to the definition.

are you taling about onyx/ Biohazard?

[KevinNU7]

Originally Posted by lordscarlet

Didn't we already say Madonna started that trend?

If Madona started that trend it took a nice 10 year break after she came out before anyone else did it.

[KevinNU7]

And the electric slide was a pure cheese selection, there are tons to pick from. I think it is a very difficult category because you could go all over the place

[oykib]

I'll throw in a list of undrafteds:

Classic - White Christmas - Bing Crosby
Epic - Mr. Roboto - Styx
Arena - California Dreamin' - The Mamas and the Papas
Trendsetter - Superfly - Curtis Mayfield
Love Song - Stand by Me - Ben E King
One-Hit Wonder - True - Spandau Ballet
Party - Let's Groove Tonight - Earth, Wind and Fire
Crossover - How Do I Live - LeAnn Rimes
Cover - La Bamba - Los Lobos
Anti-Establishment - Land of Confusion - Genesis

[vtbub]

Originally Posted by oykib

I'll throw in a list of undrafteds:

Classic - White Christmas - Bing Crosby
Epic - Mr. Roboto - Styx
Arena - California Dreamin' - The Mamas and the Papas
Trendsetter - Superfly - Curtis Mayfield
Love Song - Stand by Me - Ben E King
One-Hit Wonder - True - Spandau Ballet
Party - Let's Groove Tonight - Earth, Wind and Fire
Crossover - How Do I Live - LeAnn Rimes
Cover - La Bamba - Los Lobos
Anti-Establishment - Land of Confusion - Genesis

Those bottom 3 are great. I toyed with LeAnn for my crossover. Blue was a great song and was a rairity on the country charts as well, being an actual country song as supposed to bad pop with a steel guitar.

[KevinNU7]

Nice crossover pick. And you didn't use any of my artist which makes it cooler.

[lordscarlet]

Originally Posted by Lathum

are you taling about onyx/ Biohazard?

You are correct, sir.

[oykib]

Originally Posted by KevinNU7

Nice crossover pick. And you didn't use any of my artist which makes it cooler.

The ones I had the most trouble with were Arena and Epic. Toyed with Mrs. Robinson for both. But I needed another girl. And I just like "Mr. Roboto."

[oykib]

And Thanks for the compliment.

I thik it's between LS and Subby. Subby really finished strong. I still go for LS, though.

[adubroff]

I'm going to score max 10 pts per category. I also added a "Misfit Toy" in each slot, based on what's still available at this juncture. I complied with the two woman rule, just for fun.

Classic
1.1 Stairway to Heaven - Led Zeppelin - Subby - 10
1.3 Like a Rolling Stone - Bob Dylan - NoMyths - 9
1.5 Yesterday - The Beatles - vtbub - 9
1.10 Hotel California - Eagles - Oilers9911 -9
2.2 Satisfaction - The Rolling Stones - Buccaneer -9
3.2 Foxy Lady- Jimi Hendrix - Lathum - 6
8.3 A Change is Gonna Come - Sam Cooke - lordscarlet -6
8.6 What a Wonderful World - Louis Armstrong - Maple Leafs - 9
9.4 Goodbye Yellow Brick Road - Elton John - Butter_of_69 - 8
10.5 My Way, Frank Sinatra - ntdeacon - 9

I think Stairway frequently ranks up there in any ranking of all time rock songs. I think it's the most "perfect" song on this list...innovative, stands test of time, interesting lyrics performed by a wonderful voice. Rolling Stone is a favorite, but let's face it folks, Dylan doesn't have a great voice. I think the Beatles are the number one rock band of all time, but for a single outing, I think the Stairway is Don Larsen's perfect game in the world series...well, had that been thrown by a pitcher who was a hall of famer without having thrown it. Great value in round ten to get My Way.

Misfit Toy: Every Breath You Take, The Police. For my money, the best song not thus far selected.

Epic
1.4 - Bohemian Rhapsody, Queen - Butter_of_69 - 9
2.1 - American Pie, Don McLean - Oilers9911 - 9
2.5 - Another Brick in the Wall, Pink Floyd - ntdeacon - 10
2.9 - Baba O'Riley, The Who - Lathum - 8
3.1 - Free Bird, Lynyrd Skynyrd - Subby - 9
3.3 - The End, The Doors - NoMyths - 7
3.7 - Layla, Derek and the Dominoes - vtbub - 8
5.5 - Thriller, Michael Jackson - Maple Leafs - 9
6.3 - Space Oddity, David Bowie - lordscarlet -9
9.9 - 2112, Rush - Buccaneer - 9

I think Another Brick in the Wall is the most Epic...it's just a big sounding conceptual piece that feels "Epic-y" to me, though I find this a hard category to score and though about awarding it to American Pie several times...and briefly about Freebird.

Misfit Toy: Paradise By the Dashboard Light, Big and orchestral, long and winding. Cheesy too...

Arena
1.7 - Welcome to the Jungle, Guns 'N Roses - Maple Leafs - 9
3.4 - Rock and Roll (Part Two), Gary Glitter - Butter_of_69 - 5
3.9 - Born in the U.S.A., Bruce Springsteen - Buccaneer - 7
4.8 - Where the Streets Have No Name, U2 - NoMyths - 7
5.8 - You Shook Me All Night Long, AC/DC - lordscarlet - 9
6.1 - Rock and Roll All Night, Kiss - Oilers9911 - 9
6.4 - Enter Sandman, Metallica - vtbub - 10
6.5 - Do You Feel Like We Do, Peter Frampton - ntdeacon - 8
6.9 - Iron Man, Black Sabbath - Lathum - 9
8.10 - Mama I'm Coming Home, Ozzy Osbourne - Subby - 9

I think of Arena rock as a great concert song in a big venue...usually I think that means metal....I love Bruce as much or more as anybody, but I don't think this is a good category for him (nor is it his best entrant for the category, Born to Run). I am not sure what to do with Gary Glitter (other than keep him away form your kids), his song is played repeated in Arenas, but not live....

Misfit Toy: Alive, Pearl Jam.

Trendsetter
1.2 - Smells Like Teen Spirit, Nirvana - Lathum - 10
1.6 - Good Vibrations, The Beach Boys - ntdeacon -9
2.3 - Rapper's Delight, The Sugarhill Gang - lordscarlet - 9
2.4 - Heartbreak Hotel, Elvis Presley - Maple Leafs - 8
2.6 - Rock Around the Clock, Bill Haley and The Comets - vtbub -8
2.8 - Respect, Aretha Franklin - NoMyths -5
6.2 - Johnny B. Goode, Chuck Berry - Buccaneer - 8
6.10 - Like a Virgin, Madonna - Subby - 8
8.1 - Blitzkrieg Bop, The Ramones - Oilers9911 - 8
8.7 - Heart of Glass, Blondie - Butter_of_69 - 8

This category is the one which sparks the most debate. In the end, my criteria is which song did the most to popularize it's a significant suceeding music movement...had this been a tie, I would have looked at the size of the movement. In my mind, it's not that close to look at the second criteria. Madonna gets an 8 from me because I think she's largely responsible for the MTV based musician.

Misfit Toy: Money for Nothing, Dire Straits - Money the album was the first big CD and the video was groundbreaking.

Love Song
4.2 - Imagine, John Lennon - Buccaneer - 5
4.9 - At Last, Etta James - Lathum - 9
5.1 - Lola, The Kinks - Subby - 5
5.7 - My Love, Paul McCartney - vtbub -8
5.10 - My Heart Will Go On, Celine Dion -8
6.6 - Unchained Melody, Righteous Brothers - Maple Leafs - 10
6.7 - My Girl, The Temptations - Butter_of_69 - 8
7.3 - Can't Get Enough of Your Love Babe, Barry White - NoMyths -8
7.6 - Baby Love, The Supremes - ntdeacon - 7
7.8 - Unforgettable, Natalie Cole with Nat King Cole - lordscarlet -8

Giving Imagine a 5 is painful to me, I can't do any better in this category. Lola also...it's too goofy to be a love song. I went with Unchained after tossing it about with At Last for a long time....In the end, I went with Unchained Melody because it's slightly more recognizable I think...I had Baby Love on the eight level for a long time, but took a point because the song is kinda bitter/angry really.

Misfit Toy: In Your Eyes, Peter Gabriel - I know even reading the song title will make you want to go find a boom box to hold up. I think this song could have won this category had somebody picked it.

Party Song
4.3 - (You Gotta) Fight for Your Right (to Party), Beastie Boys - lordscarlet - 9
4.6 - 1999, Prince - Maple Leafs - 9
5.4 - Celebration, Kool and the Gang - Butter_of_69 - 10
7.1 - O.P.P., Naughty by Nature - Subby - 8
7.2 - One Bourbon, One Scotch, One Beer, George Thorogood - Lathum - 9
7.10 - Old Time Rock n Roll, Bob Seger - Oilers9911 - 9
8.2 - Girls,Girls,Girls, Motley Crue - Buccaneer - 9
8.4 - Louie Louie, The Kingsman - vtbub - 9
8.5 - Shout, The Isley Brothers - ntdeacon - 9
10.8 - Hey Ya - Outkast - NoMyths - 7

I give it to Celebration because it's been played at every wedding for the last 25 years.....This is a group with a lot of parity.
Misfit Toy: Margaritaville, Jimmy Buffett - Not just a song but now a restaurant chain.

Cover - Final
4.4 - I Will Always Love You, Whitney Houston - vtbub -8
4.10 - You Really Got Me, Van Halen - Subby -7
5.6 - Proud Mary, Ike and Tina Turner - ntdeacon - 9
7.4 - Killing Me Softly, The Fugees - Butter_of_69 -7
7.5 - Burning Down the House, Tom Jones & The Cardigans - Maple Leafs - 7
7.9 - I Love Rock 'N Roll, Joan Jett - Buccaneer - 10
8.9 - A Little Help From My Friends, Joe Cocker - Lathum - 7
9.3 - Nothing Compares 2 U, Sinead O'Connor - NoMyths - 9
10.1 - Sweet Jane, Cowboy Junkies - Oilers9911 - 7
10.3 - I Shot the Sheriff, Eric Clapton - lordscarlet - 7

I think of a great cover as one where the cover eclipses the original. As such, I have to give this to I Love Rock and Roll. I didn't even know it was a cover until it was nominated here. Proud Mary and Nothing Compares to you get high marks on that criteria as well (since the song they are eclipsing in each case is by a huge, impactful artist).
Misfit Toy: Blinded By the Light, Mannfred Mann's Earth Band....fits my criteria of obscuring a huge artist.

One Hit Wonder
3.10 Macarena, Los Del Rio - Oilers9911 -8
5.9 - Baby Got Back, Sir Mix-a-Lot - Buccaneer - 8
8.8 - God Bless the U.S.A. (I'm Proud To Be An American), Lee Greenwood - NoMyths - 0
9.2 - What's Going On?, 4 Non Blondes - Lathum -8
9.5 - 99 Luftballoons, Nena - Maple Leafs - 9
9.8 - Mickey, Toni Basil - lordscarlet - 8
9.7 - Walking on Sunshine, Katrina and the Waves - vtbub - 8
9.6 - Tainted Love, Soft Cell - ntndeacon - 10
10.7 - Take On Me - a-ha - Butter_of_69 - 7
10.10 - I Want Candy - Bow Wow Wow - Subby - 9

This category (besides the obvious zero) is a tough one to judge. I think Tainted Love is the best song of the group, that's why I gave it the 10. A-ha takes a minor cut for remaining popular in other parts of the world after Take on Me.
Misfit Toy: They Don't Know, Tracy Ullman - I like her as a choice because she obviously did have other hits in another field, so she presents irony factor. The song is really catchy as well and I don't know how much work they needed to do on her voice but it sounds excellent.

Anti-Establishment
1.9 - Fight the Power, Public Enemy - Buccaneer - 9
2.7 - Anarchy in the UK, The Sex Pistols - Butter_of_69 -10
2.10 - Fuck tha Police, N.W.A. - Subby - 9
3.6 - London Calling, The Clash - ntndeacon -9
3.8 - Killing in the Name, Rage Against the Machine - lordscarlet-9
4.1 - We're Not Gonna Take It, Twisted Sister - Oilers9911 - 9
5.2 - American Idiot, Green Day - Lathum -8
5.3 - Fortunate Son, Creedence Clearwater Revival - NoMyths - 9
7.6 - Cop Killer, Body Count - vtbub -9
10.6 - Head Like a Hole - Nine Inch Nails - Maple Leafs - 8

Another tight category. All of these songs are Anti Establishment. For me, the most anti establishment of the group is Anarchy is the most angry and snarling of the group, but if this is a kennel, all these dogs can bite.
Misfit Toy: Ohio, CSNY- I think this song is more representative of the anti Vietnam sentiment than CCR's Fortunate Son which made that list. I think this song, if it had been selected could have won this category.

Crossover Hit
1.8 - Walk This Way, Run-D.M.C. feat. Aerosmith - lordscarlet - 10
3.5 - Ring of Fire, Johnny Cash - Maple Leafs - 7
4.5 - I Can't Stop Loving You, Ray Charles - ntndeacon - 8
4.7 - Superstition, Stevie Wonder - Butter_of_69 - 8
6.8 - Lose Yourself, Eminem - NoMyths - 9
9.1 - The Devil Went Down to Georgie, Charlie Daniels Band - Subby - 6
9.10 - Epic, Faith No More - Oilers9911 - 9
10.2 - Ode to Billie Joe, Bobbie Gentry - Buccaneer - 6
10.4 - On The Road Again, Willie Nelson - vtbub - 6
10.9 - Slam-Onyx and Biohazard - Lathum - 8

Sucess in this category involves the artist singing in a style for which they aren't known in my mind, although I'm sure some will read it differently. Thus the low marks for Devil, Billy Joe and On The Road, where I still think the country artists are singing country (it's just country that got popular). Walk This Way wins for me because you two huge bands working out of Genre in different portions....
Misfit Toy: Man, I feel Like a Woman, Shania Twain - Considered Melissa Etheridge and Leann Rhymes also, but in the end, who wouldn't want to have Shania on their team.

Final Totals, in a real close race(edited, I miscounted Deacon):
NtDeacon - 88
MapleLeafs 85
LordScarlet 84
vtbub - 83
Lathum - 82
Butter - 80
Subby - 80
Buccaneer - 78
Oilers - 77
NoMyths 65

[cthomer5000]

I was going to choose an undrafted team, and you just snagged most of the ones I had in mind. I was absolutely stunned that no-one chose "In Your Eyes" by Gabriel. Big mistake, IMHO. Solid overall artist, huge song, and you get the bonus 80s tie-in from stuff like Say Anything and every other movie it's been used in.

[vtbub]

Originally Posted by adubroff

Sucess in this category involves the artist singing in a style for which they aren't known in my mind, although I'm sure some will read it differently. Thus the low marks for Devil, Billy Joe and On The Road, where I still think the country artists are singing country (it's just country that got popular). Walk This Way wins for me because you two huge bands working out of Genre in different portions....
Misfit Toy: Man, I feel Like a Woman, Shania Twain - Considered Melissa Etheridge and Leann Rhymes also, but in the end, who wouldn't want to have Shania on their team.

First off, great job. There are some real solid teams here, and I think trying to grade them is a tough task.

My question here isn't really with my pick for a crossover, but Subby's. That's more of a Southern Fried rocker than a pure country, although I think we interpeted the definition of crossover a bit different.

Also, say I had gone with Dolly Parton's 9 to 5 or Dolly and Kenny Rogers Islands in the Stream, would that have met your definition better?

Not trying to be picky, you did a great job.

[CU Tiger]

Just a couple thoughts

#1 When a man loves a woman for love song?
#2 No one picked a Grateful Dead song...not sure which one where but damn there are a lot of dead heads...
#3 Jimmy Buffet...Same as #2.
#3 Pearl Jam - last kiss for cover

[vtbub]

I thought about taking the dead for my anti-establishment one, since they were the ultimate a-e rock band. The problem was finding a single.

(Wasn't Dylan on Touch of Grey?)

[Daimyo]

Originally Posted by adubroff

Misfit Toy: Ohio, CSNY- I think this song is more representative of the anti Vietnam sentiment than CCR's Fortunate Son which made that list. I think this song, if it had been selected could have won this category.

Agreed. I kept waiting for someone to take it. Someone even mentioned it near the end and it still made it through.

[adubroff]

Originally Posted by vtbub

Also, say I had gone with Dolly Parton's 9 to 5 or Dolly and Kenny Rogers Islands in the Stream, would that have met your definition better?

Not trying to be picky, you did a great job.

That's one of the less cut and dried categories, so scoring it is tough. I think it certainly can be read as "artist from specialty genre achieving mainstream success", but that isn't how I read it.

I think both of these songs would have suffered for the same reasons for me. I was more looking for something along the lines of "Picture" by Kid Rock/Sheryl Crow, "Rapture" by Blondie, or "Honky Cat" by Elton John.

[Surtt]

Just for the heck of it:
Some of the songs I was expecting.


Classic - Heartbreaker -Pat benatar
Epic - Paradise by the dashboard light - Meat Loaf
Arena - Money for Nothing - Dire Straits
Trendsetter - Rock the Boat - Hues Corporation (first Disco song)
Love Song - The Rose - Bette Midler
One-Hit Wonder - Smoking in the Boys Room - Brownsville Station
Party - Life's Been Good To Me (So Far) - Joe Walsh
Crossover - Margaritaville - Jimmy Buffet
Cover - Me and Bobby McGee - Janice Joplin
Anti-Establishment - Ohio - Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young.

[adubroff]

Originally Posted by CU Tiger

Just a couple thoughts

#1 When a man loves a woman for love song?
#2 No one picked a Grateful Dead song...not sure which one where but damn there are a lot of dead heads...
#3 Jimmy Buffet...Same as #2.
#3 Pearl Jam - last kiss for cover

When I was doing my Misfit Toys I really thought about Pearl Jam's Jeremy as Antiestablishment song too...

I think there are some more strong groups that didn't make the list and I just couldn't quite find a spot for them:

REM - thought about maybe Radio Free Europe as a trendsetter(Indy Music)...
Simon and Garfunkel - Thought about Mrs Robinson as the classic or possibly Bridge over Troubled Water (might have been a decent Epic Too).
Bonjovi - was mentioned in the thread already but there are a bunch of Bonjovi songs that could have been slotted and competed.

I think musc is so deep that you could draft another ten rounds and fill slots with strong choices.

[ntndeacon]

I actually did a misfit toys as well. the crossover one is the one that I was hving trouble with. tried to stay away from popular country hits. endd up with a rock standard that transfered into the country charts

Classic - Sunshine of My Love--Cream
Epic - Ballad of the Edmund Fitzgerald--Gordon Lightfoot
Arena - Rock you like a Hurricane--Scorpions
Trendsetter - Papa’s Got A Brand New Bag--James Brown
Love Song - Lets Stay Together -- Al Green
One-Hit Wonder - Come On Eileen--Dexy’s Midnight Runners
Party - Dancing in the Street-- Martha and the Vandellas
Crossover - Me and Bobby McGee--Janis Joplin
Cover - American Woman--Lenny Kravitz
Anti-Establishment - What’s Going on? Marvin Gaye

[Oilers9911]

Good job dude, but I added up 85 for me

Originally Posted by adubroff

I'm going to score max 10 pts per category. I also added a "Misfit Toy" in each slot, based on what's still available at this juncture. I complied with the two woman rule, just for fun.



I think Stairway frequently ranks up there in any ranking of all time rock songs. I think it's the most "perfect" song on this list...innovative, stands test of time, interesting lyrics performed by a wonderful voice. Rolling Stone is a favorite, but let's face it folks, Dylan doesn't have a great voice. I think the Beatles are the number one rock band of all time, but for a single outing, I think the Stairway is Don Larsen's perfect game in the world series...well, had that been thrown by a pitcher who was a hall of famer without having thrown it. Great value in round ten to get My Way.

Misfit Toy: Every Breath You Take, The Police. For my money, the best song not thus far selected.



I think Another Brick in the Wall is the most Epic...it's just a big sounding conceptual piece that feels "Epic-y" to me, though I find this a hard category to score and though about awarding it to American Pie several times...and briefly about Freebird.

Misfit Toy: Paradise By the Dashboard Light, Big and orchestral, long and winding. Cheesy too...



I think of Arena rock as a great concert song in a big venue...usually I think that means metal....I love Bruce as much or more as anybody, but I don't think this is a good category for him (nor is it his best entrant for the category, Born to Run). I am not sure what to do with Gary Glitter (other than keep him away form your kids), his song is played repeated in Arenas, but not live....

Misfit Toy: Alive, Pearl Jam.



This category is the one which sparks the most debate. In the end, my criteria is which song did the most to popularize it's a significant suceeding music movement...had this been a tie, I would have looked at the size of the movement. In my mind, it's not that close to look at the second criteria. Madonna gets an 8 from me because I think she's largely responsible for the MTV based musician.

Misfit Toy: Money for Nothing, Dire Straits - Money the album was the first big CD and the video was groundbreaking.



Giving Imagine a 5 is painful to me, I can't do any better in this category. Lola also...it's too goofy to be a love song. I went with Unchained after tossing it about with At Last for a long time....In the end, I went with Unchained Melody because it's slightly more recognizable I think...I had Baby Love on the eight level for a long time, but took a point because the song is kinda bitter/angry really.

Misfit Toy: In Your Eyes, Peter Gabriel - I know even reading the song title will make you want to go find a boom box to hold up. I think this song could have won this category had somebody picked it.


I give it to Celebration because it's been played at every wedding for the last 25 years.....This is a group with a lot of parity.
Misfit Toy: Margaritaville, Jimmy Buffett - Not just a song but now a restaurant chain.

I think of a great cover as one where the cover eclipses the original. As such, I have to give this to I Love Rock and Roll. I didn't even know it was a cover until it was nominated here. Proud Mary and Nothing Compares to you get high marks on that criteria as well (since the song they are eclipsing in each case is by a huge, impactful artist).
Misfit Toy: Blinded By the Light, Mannfred Mann's Earth Band....fits my criteria of obscuring a huge artist.

This category (besides the obvious zero) is a tough one to judge. I think Tainted Love is the best song of the group, that's why I gave it the 10. A-ha takes a minor cut for remaining popular in other parts of the world after Take on Me.
Misfit Toy: They Don't Know, Tracy Ullman - I like her as a choice because she obviously did have other hits in another field, so she presents irony factor. The song is really catchy as well and I don't know how much work they needed to do on her voice but it sounds excellent.



Another tight category. All of these songs are Anti Establishment. For me, the most anti establishment of the group is Anarchy is the most angry and snarling of the group, but if this is a kennel, all these dogs can bite.
Misfit Toy: Ohio, CSNY- I think this song is more representative of the anti Vietnam sentiment than CCR's Fortunate Son which made that list. I think this song, if it had been selected could have won this category.



Sucess in this category involves the artist singing in a style for which they aren't known in my mind, although I'm sure some will read it differently. Thus the low marks for Devil, Billy Joe and On The Road, where I still think the country artists are singing country (it's just country that got popular). Walk This Way wins for me because you two huge bands working out of Genre in different portions....
Misfit Toy: Man, I feel Like a Woman, Shania Twain - Considered Melissa Etheridge and Leann Rhymes also, but in the end, who wouldn't want to have Shania on their team.

Final Totals, in a real close race:
MapleLeafs 85
LordScarlet 84
vtbub - 83
Lathum - 82
Butter - 80
NtDeacon - 80
Subby - 80
Buccaneer - 78
Oilers - 77
NoMyths 65

[ntndeacon]

and i add up 88 for me

[Oilers9911]

SO the verdict is great write up but poor math skills

[ntndeacon]

Well istill don't like his definition of a great cover.

[ntndeacon]

I still think a cover should be identifiable at least as much as the original. I did not even know that I love Rock and Roll was performed before Joan Jett got her hands on it. Just like I would not have called Tainted love a cover.

[lordscarlet]

Originally Posted by ntndeacon

I still think a cover should be identifiable at least as much as the original. I did not even know that I love Rock and Roll was performed before Joan Jett got her hands on it. Just like I would not have called Tainted love a cover.

I agree. A cover should have a recognizable original or else it's just you performing a song someone else wrote. Just about every country song had an original writer that performed a demo tape version of it at a minimum.

[adubroff]

Originally Posted by ntndeacon

and i add up 88 for me

You are correct...I think I missed a category on you somehow....

[Daimyo]

My misfit toys lineup:

Classic - Mrs Robinson - Simon and Garfunkel
Epic - Aenema - Tool
Arena - Alive - Pearl Jam
Trendsetter - Radio Free Europe - R.E.M.
Love Song - Time after Time - Cyndi Lauper
One-Hit Wonder - Louie Louie - The Kingsmen
Party - Dancing in the Street - Martha and the Vandellas
Crossover - (Sittin' on) the Dock of the Bay - Otis Redding
Cover - I Will Survive - Cake
Anti-Establishment - Ohio - CSNY

[Daimyo]

DOLA, epic was probably the hardest to fill and crossover the hardest to understand the meaning of (I went with an artist achieving mainstream success with a stylistic departure for my pick there).

[Neuqua]

My biggest dissapointment is that Bon Jovi wasn't selected by any of the teams

[adubroff]

Originally Posted by Daimyo

My misfit toys lineup:
Love Song - Time after Time - Cyndi Lauper

No She Bop?

[wade moore]

Originally Posted by Daimyo

DOLA, epic was probably the hardest to fill and crossover the hardest to understand the meaning of (I went with an artist achieving mainstream success with a stylistic departure for my pick there).

While I understand your crossover definition, it's not the one Maple Leafs laid out in the rules.

[Daimyo]

Originally Posted by wade moore

While I understand your crossover definition, it's not the one Maple Leafs laid out in the rules.

Sure, but only a few of the drafted songs even fit that definition.

[Subby]

Originally Posted by Neuqua

My biggest dissapointment is that Bon Jovi wasn't selected by any of the teams

That was my backup for Arena in case Ozzy was taken.

I would have taken Meatloaf for my epic if Freebird hadn't still been around in round 3.

[Maple Leafs]

Given that many people are interpreting Crossover to be someone from achieving mainstream success from another genre, I'm shocked that (unless I missed it) we've had zero mention of Garth Brooks.

Also, given that a woman was required, I had a deep sense of dread that someone would take Sweet Child of Mine by Sheryl Crowe as a cover. If they had, I was going to delete the thread.

[ntndeacon]

i figured Crossover would be pretty hard to fill, which is why iwent with Ray Charles. I can't stop Loving you is definately not in his normal genre.

[wade moore]

Originally Posted by Daimyo

Sure, but only a few of the drafted songs even fit that definition.

Which is why I think all but a few should be punished for their pick.