WW CXLVI: Portal GAME OVER - Test8

[JAG]

Good luck village.

[Narcizo]

That's actually fairly easily using a process of elimination.

Simbo, Marc Vaughan - missed votes
Bhlloy, Packers, Julio, Passa - voting I was talking about yesterday
Britrock - question about the number of wolves in the game
KWhit - experienced player pushing for a landslide yesterday
Ragone - close to the list, I prefer Barkeep to him because I think I've got a better read on how I expect Barkeep to act than I do on Ragone.

Happy List
Raiders
Tyketime
GoldenEagle
mckerney
Barkeep

So that's my initial gut reaction. I'll probably want to change it around about 20 times today though.

[Narcizo]

Keeping track of these votes is going to be fun.

[Simbo Klice]

I am surprised that Autumn wasn't a wolf but I'm not necessarily convinced that PackerFanatic is. I think all this late-round switching and hooplah was probably just to try and get us to string PF back up today. Got my eye on Passa and Bhlloy. But let's do this happy list.

Happy List
Ragone
KWhit
Barkeep49
Marc Vaughan
PackerFanatic

[Narcizo]

That doesn't make any sense. If you think Packer is likely a villager why would you be keeping an eye on Passa and Bhlloy? You think a wolf is going to expose themselves by switching from a villager to another villager at deadline? It's not impossible I'll grant you as it might be a plan to get some trust further down the line but why wouldn't the wolf just keep his vote where it is and avoid the scrutiny?

[Simbo Klice]

Originally Posted by Narcizo

That doesn't make any sense. If you think Packer is likely a villager why would you be keeping an eye on Passa and Bhlloy? You think a wolf is going to expose themselves by switching from a villager to another villager at deadline? It's not impossible I'll grant you as it might be a plan to get some trust further down the line but why wouldn't the wolf just keep his vote where it is and avoid the scrutiny?

Like I said, to get us to string PackerFanatic up today. You know, like you voted to do before you saw this new thing we're doing.

[Narcizo]

Fair enough, that's a point I hadn't really thought about. Seems kind of out there as we'd almost certainly have strung up Autumn today if Packer had come up villager (and probably if he came up wolf as well) but who knows in this game.

[Simbo Klice]

Originally Posted by Narcizo

Fair enough, that's a point I hadn't really thought about. Seems kind of out there as we'd almost certainly have strung up Autumn today if Packer had come up villager (and probably if he came up wolf as well) but who knows in this game.

I suppose we probably would have. But if we did Packer first it would look worse for them, as half the people who voted for PF mumbled something about "a two-horse race" as they did so.

[Barkeep49]

GLaDOS when you say in order should the person we are happiest with be first or last?

[Raiders Army]

This should help us sort out some wolves if we can actually hit one. I'm going to be out most of today on my son's field trip and then going down to Wichita Falls for dinner/beer (stupid Oklahoma with its pussy 3.2% beer).

[tyketime]

I thought it would be interesting to tally up the votes on known villagers. It's part of how I will come up with my Happiness List. Yet more proof just how completely spread out this game has been

Raiders - 2
Golden - 3
Tyke - 2
Barkeep - 2
Julio - 2
Britrock - 2
Packer - 2
KWhit - 3
Bhlloy - 2
Narcizo - 1
Marc - 2 (with two no votes)
Ragone - 2
Simbo - 1 (with two no votes)
Pass - 1 (with one no vote)
mckerney - 0 (came on as a substitute)

[Raiders Army]

Happy List
Narcizo
Bhlloy
GoldenEagle
Barkeep
mckerney
Narcizo--one of the few conducting an analysis and presents things in a logical manner (could be playing us, though); Votes don't indicate a wolf necessarily
Bhlloy--did the late day 2 switch; probably not a wolf
GoldenEagle--If Autumn wasn't a scan day 1, I'd guess GE was, which might be why DV didn't vote GE; at the time DV voted, GE had two votes on him already and was the leader
BK--gut feeling, although could be wrong.
mckerney--gut feeling, although could be wrong.

[Raiders Army]

Originally Posted by tyketime

I thought it would be interesting to tally up the votes on known villagers. It's part of how I will come up with my Happiness List. Yet more proof just how completely spread out this game has been

wha?

[Raiders Army]

Okay I'm probably out for most of today, but I will be back before the deadline.

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by Raiders Army

wha?

I think he's tallying how many times we have voted for a villager.

[tyketime]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

I think he's tallying how many times we have voted for a villager.

Correct - I looked at the lists Narc came up with. Did I do that wrong?

[tyketime]

Heading to the office now. Here's my list (assuming the order in preference is top to bottom & more happy to less happy):

Happy List
mckerney
Narcizo
Passacaglia
Marc Vaughan
Ragone

[PackerFanatic]

Well that's a neat twist...

[Julio Riddols]

I didn't figure me making sure my vote counted yesterday mattered much in the way my actions were perceived, but I guess I was wrong. I was going to vote for one of my wolf candidates regardless, and Autumn was on the list while Packerfanatic wasn't. mckerney is super high on my list now and I don't see why people don't think he might be a wolf if indeed there are any wolves out there at all.

Happy List
Packerfanatic
Marc Vaughan
Barkeep
Britrock88
KWhit

[Narcizo]

Originally Posted by tyketime

I thought it would be interesting to tally up the votes on known villagers.

Problem with this is, like I said yesterday, you're probably "punishing" people for having their vote on the winning side in the cases where it was villager-villager. Until we get a wolf I don't think it tells us a great deal. In fact wolves, knowing if it is villager-villager, will actually try to avoid voting for the person they think is going to win the vote.

[Julio Riddols]

I also figure nobody really digs lemon chiffon, which saddens me. We're stuck in these otherwise dull grey rooms, full of sadness and perilous unknowns.. All I wanna do is brighten things up a little.

[Marc Vaughan]

Originally Posted by Julio Riddols

Did you guys receive these cubes via PM? I have not received a cube in that way.

Not sure if we're meant to discuss PM's?

(anyway my cube has just evaporated ... perhaps we're not meant to talk about the cubes? ... what happens in the cubical stays in the cubical )

[Julio Riddols]

I'm just trying to determine how folks are pressing these buttons and getting these cubes and whatnot.. I guess we all have them and we all have the opportunity to press those buttons..

[Marc Vaughan]

Happy List
bhlloy
Raiders
mckerney
Packer Fanatic
GoldenEagle

I'm fairly sure CrimsonFox is a bad guy ....

With regards to the 'basic' cubes, I think quite a few people get them to increase the pressure of using them fast without thinking about the consequences - if you don't use them on the day you get them they seem to vanish.

I presume if you use one then you get 'super powers' or similar, so its possible we have another Seer now for all we know.

[Narcizo]

I think we need to think about how we go about avoiding a tie in this here popularity test. I suspect there might be several people who don't get any votes, which will result in a tie and Crimson not being happy. So how do we prevent that from happening?

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by Narcizo

Problem with this is, like I said yesterday, you're probably "punishing" people for having their vote on the winning side in the cases where it was villager-villager. Until we get a wolf I don't think it tells us a great deal. In fact wolves, knowing if it is villager-villager, will actually try to avoid voting for the person they think is going to win the vote.

I agree with this. We have absolutely no concept right now if we've even had a wolf in our sights at this point so it's possible all viable options have been villagers.

[Julio Riddols]

I'm fairly certain we're all villagers at this point as well.

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by Julio Riddols

I'm fairly certain we're all villagers at this point as well.

Ok so this is an interesting premise. If it's true how do we win?

While I think it's a concept worth exploring, I'm skeptical that it's true. If it is, how do we explain the people being killed with sounds that are wolfish? All of the night kill writeups have included flavor in that direction.

[GoldenEagle]

At this point, we have to nail a wolf today, and the safest bet for that is britrock. I hate to do it, because I know he is new, but all the evidence points that he is a wolf who make a mistake.

I am not going to be around at deadline most likely, so I will go ahead and throw an early vote out.

VOTE BRITROCK88

[PackerFanatic]

GE - you might want to check out CF's post about voting today.

[Marc Vaughan]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Ok so this is an interesting premise. If it's true how do we win?

I'm wondering if we win by refusing to play .... or voting our GlaDos ...

If it is, how do we explain the people being killed with sounds that are wolfish? All of the night kill writeups have included flavor in that direction.

It could be we have a real werewolf in our midst, but the 'setting' for the game isn't a fantasy one so I think thats unlikely, also the texts tended to indicate it was someone/thing badly faking it being a wolf (ie. laser/claw marks, the paw prints were mentioned as being unrealistic) ...

I don't 'get' why a person would fake something badly in that manner - they gain nothing from it, someone is dead so its something to investigate - whether its done by a wolf or an unknown person.

As such I'd put more credence in an already obviously insane computer than in it being one of us .... that being said I don't usually play these games so have no experience to back this conjecture up, but if I was going to design one of these games its how I'd have set it up

[Ragone]

This happy list is nothing more then a reverse lynch for the lowest vote getter, i'm willing to bet that..

Happy list
Narcizo
Barkeep
Simbo
tyketime
Packersfanatic


Narcizo, thats a pretty fair assessment of me, first game for me and what seems to be a wildly different ruleset then any game i studied coming into this game.

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by Marc Vaughan

I'm wondering if we win by refusing to play .... or voting our GlaDos ...



It could be we have a real werewolf in our midst, but the 'setting' for the game isn't a fantasy one so I think thats unlikely, also the texts tended to indicate it was someone/thing badly faking it being a wolf (ie. laser/claw marks, the paw prints were mentioned as being unrealistic) ...

I don't 'get' why a person would fake something badly in that manner - they gain nothing from it, someone is dead so its something to investigate - whether its done by a wolf or an unknown person.

As such I'd put more credence in an already obviously insane computer than in it being one of us .... that being said I don't usually play these games so have no experience to back this conjecture up, but if I was going to design one of these games its how I'd have set it up

In Portal 2 we learn of a way of defeating Glados, but so far everything indicates that this is Portal 1 cannon.

[GoldenEagle]

Originally Posted by PackerFanatic

GE - you might want to check out CF's post about voting today.

WTF? All of these weird rules are kind of aggravating. I just want to play some Werewolf. If it turns out there are no wolves, I am going to be really frustrated.

[Autumn]

Originally Posted by GoldenEagle

WTF? All of these weird rules are kind of aggravating. I just want to play some Werewolf. If it turns out there are no wolves, I am going to be really frustrated.

And you signed up for a game by CF which posted absolutely no rules and said they would be revealed during the game?

[Julio Riddols]

We either win by not playing, or this is a war of attrition and we're kind of playing survivor style. Maybe its like a combo of dungeon and regular werewolf. Maybe doing or not doing the tests put you in danger of being killed off by GlaDOS.

[Julio Riddols]

PRESS BUTTON

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[tyketime]

Originally Posted by Julio Riddols

We either win by not playing, or this is a war of attrition and we're kind of playing survivor style. Maybe its like a combo of dungeon and regular werewolf. Maybe doing or not doing the tests put you in danger of being killed off by GlaDOS.

I've already mentioned this a couple times. CF has been fairly specific with the flavor text, but mostly in a way that "appears" to be wolfish. And again no mention of winning with usual wolf-villager ratio. Finally, he says we are testers. That's our job. So I've tried to make it a point to participate in each test. A survivor style theme seems just as likely as anything else at this point. In fact, Survivor usually has some type of challenge where the "popular" ones are rewarded. I don't understand why some of you won't even consider the possibility. Unusual? Absolutely. Out of the realm of possibility? Not so sure about that.

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

In Portal 2 we learn of a way of defeating Glados, but so far everything indicates that this is Portal 1 cannon.

Originally Posted by britrock88

is that like THIS cannon? because I can fire you all out of one if you'd like...

[CrimsonFox]

EVERYBODY MAMBO!

[CrimsonFox]

Out for an interview until afternoon. Later b-b-b-b-b-b-biouches.

[Julio Riddols]

I wonder if that is what that button was for.

[Julio Riddols]

I'm mamboing way hard over here.

[Raiders Army]

Field trip was cancelled and I'm still off for today from work. Will be around.

[GoldenEagle]

Originally Posted by Autumn

And you signed up for a game by CF which posted absolutely no rules and said they would be revealed during the game?

I know I am coming across as bitchy, but I just expected at least the core fundamentals of werewolf to be in place. I guess these happy lists could reveal some light on the wolves, once we catch one.

[Marc Vaughan]

I'm refusing to mambo I have some pride

I'll sit on the sidelines until a slow number comes along ... then I'll sit on the sidelines some more because I'm too shy to ask anyone to dance

[Simbo Klice]

Originally Posted by GoldenEagle

I know I am coming across as bitchy, but I just expected at least the core fundamentals of werewolf to be in place. I guess these happy lists could reveal some light on the wolves, once we catch one.

I hear you on the nontraditional nature of the game. Hell of a game to be my first non-dungeon Werewolf game on here. Still, we've had lynches and nightkills, even today's voting is a reverse lynch of sorts. Like you said, if we get a Wolf today, these happy lists may go a long way towards getting us on a good streak.

[Marc Vaughan]

Originally Posted by Simbo Klice

Like you said, if we get a Wolf today, these happy lists may go a long way towards getting us on a good streak.

Getting a wolf would be great tbh as it'd cull the conjecture about the nature of the game itself - the longer we go without finding one the stronger the impression is given that they don't exist and we're just randomly slaughtering innocents ...

[Marc Vaughan]

btw watching the Avengers this evening with my boys, so likely won't be around - feel free to lynch me

[Simbo Klice]

Originally Posted by Marc Vaughan

Getting a wolf would be great tbh as it'd cull the conjecture about the nature of the game itself - the longer we go without finding one the stronger the impression is given that they don't exist and we're just randomly slaughtering innocents ...

Yeah, that would be one of the benefits. I think this Happy Vote is also worth at least 2 or 3 days worth of voting patterns as well. Someone's going to have to spreadsheet it up and find the common threads.