WW United -- GAME OVER

[KWhit]

Surely, clap PMed who he scanned.... Right?

[GoldenEagle]

Originally Posted by The Jackal

Wow, thank you clap.

vote jackal
vote nightfall

I'm tired. Go wolves.

I expected you to put up some sort of defense!

VOTE The Jackal
VOTE Nightfall

[KWhit]

Originally Posted by lerriuqs

Kwhit have you had any meaningful PMs with LSG - any idea whether she's good or wolf?

She hasn't PMed me at all.

[GoldenEagle]

Originally Posted by KWhit

Surely, clap PMed who he scanned.... Right?

Unless we have a player named ninja, then I am afraid the answer is no.

[The Jackal]

Originally Posted by GoldenEagle

I expected you to put up some sort of defense!

I wasn't even planning on putting up a defense yesterday.

My only regret was not being involved in the lineups more, but alas, such was my fate.

[Telle]

Originally Posted by The Jackal

I wasn't even planning on putting up a defense yesterday.

My only regret was not being involved in the lineups more, but alas, such was my fate.

Well I congratulate you on pulling off a fake reveal as long as you did. You had me fooled.

[JAG]

Originally Posted by GoldenEagle

The question is can we link that pattern together and clear you and lathum as well?

Well, in my favor, I did put the nail-in-the-coffin vote on J23 to make it 7-5.

[KWhit]

Pass, I'll have my lineup to you in just a sec.

[Passacaglia]

No rush -- we're probably a long way from getting all the votes needed for nightfall.

[KWhit]

Yeah, but just so I'm not a bottleneck....

Snet.

Also:

Vote The Jackal
Vote NIghtfall

[KWhit]

Originally Posted by The Jackal

I wasn't even planning on putting up a defense yesterday.

My only regret was not being involved in the lineups more, but alas, such was my fate.

I had to keep you out of the lineup in case you were telling the truth, since theoretically the wolves would night kill you.

[lerriuqs]

Originally Posted by JAG

Sorry, I thought you were saying 14-4 was a high amount of wolves.

No I was referring to 14 villagers as being high.

[lerriuqs]

Vote Jackal

Vote Nightfall

[Lorena]

vote the jackal

vote nightfall

[JAG]

I don't want to read too much into this considering how clap handled being seer, but after the D2 vote he said:

Originally Posted by claphamsa

whic means we need to find out about GE...

GE pointed out clap didn't vote for him even though GE was the only meaningful alternative he could have voted for. clap didn't come out and say GE was a wolf after presumably scanning him either. So even though it's not a perfect clear, I think he shouldn't be tops on the chopping block.

[lerriuqs]

Not knowing what will happen tonight I want to get my trust list out here.

Who I trust
GE - I'm more convinced now than before that GE was a wolf target on Day 2 and is a villager
PB - the Comment by Alan leads me here
Darth - That voting sequence that Jag pointed out is telling. I could have my trust misplaced but it looks likely that he's good.

Leaning towards trust
Schmidty - not totally sure why but there's nothing screaming out wolf in his methods here.

Don't know
Lathum - I almost don't trust him due to Jackal's "clearing" as well as his exchange with CR on Day 1 and he did vote Darth early on Day 3. But something smells of a set up here like the wolves want us to lynch him since he's as scary a villager as he is a wolf.
LSG - voting early and not around during the day - I know she can't be here, it's just making it very hard to get a read on her.
Telle - Missed two days of voting and lynched two villagers. Not enough posts to read her.

Leaning towards distrust
JAG - upon further review, I looked back and said to myself why am I trusting what he's said even when he's not cleared. I looked at his voting history and frankly, it's not very good. Cast potentially deciding vote for GE on Day 2 before it was tied to avoid the lynch, cast Day 3 to take it to 7-5 (looking to build trust potentially) and voted Clap today then pushing Schmidty to switch and clinch vote. The more I look, the more it looks like he's building trust out of nothing and could ride it to the end.
Lorena/Mia Ow - voting record doesn't look good. Cast early vote against Martin and followed LSG's lead quickly on the second vote on myself on Day 3. Early vote on GE Day 4.

As I've stated, I believe there are two wolves left meaning as of tomorrow we're at 7-2 which means we have 3 days to find at least one of them.

[Schmidty]

I'm back.

Vote The Jackal

Vote Nightfall

[lerriuqs]

Everybody but LSG has voted Pass...

[JAG]

My list is pretty similar to yours lerriuqs, except adding you to the top level of trust, bumping GE down to Schmidty's level, and swapping LSG / Lorena around.

[Lorena]

Originally Posted by lerriuqs

Leaning towards distrust
JAG - upon further review, I looked back and said to myself why am I trusting what he's said even when he's not cleared. I looked at his voting history and frankly, it's not very good. Cast potentially deciding vote for GE on Day 2 before it was tied to avoid the lynch, cast Day 3 to take it to 7-5 (looking to build trust potentially) and voted Clap today then pushing Schmidty to switch and clinch vote. The more I look, the more it looks like he's building trust out of nothing and could ride it to the end.
Lorena/Mia Ow - voting record doesn't look good. Cast early vote against Martin and followed LSG's lead quickly on the second vote on myself on Day 3. Early vote on GE Day 4.

As I've stated, I believe there are two wolves left meaning as of tomorrow we're at 7-2 which means we have 3 days to find at least one of them.

I dont' mind being distrusted, but leave Mia's vote as hers and not mine, it was a decision I had nothing to do with. If you wanna talk about Day 2-4, by all means go for it.

[JAG]

I don't agree with your assessment on D2 though. Of the two wolves we know, their votes are split. J23's vote made it 4-2 in favor of No Lynch. On D3, the voting pattern shows the wolves trying pretty hard to squirm out of getting lynched (jumping from you to Darth, Jackal fake revealing, jumping back to you after Darth was losing steam).

[Lorena]

I just went back and rechecked, Mia didn't vote Day 2, that was when her internet went down and when I took over. So if you wanna discuss my voting pattern, look at Days 3 and 4.

[lerriuqs]

Originally Posted by JAG

I don't agree with your assessment on D2 though. Of the two wolves we know, their votes are split. J23's vote made it 4-2 in favor of No Lynch. On D3, the voting pattern shows the wolves trying pretty hard to squirm out of getting lynched (jumping from you to Darth, Jackal fake revealing, jumping back to you after Darth was losing steam).

That's Day 3.

[lerriuqs]

Originally Posted by Lorena

I just went back and rechecked, Mia didn't vote Day 2, that was when her internet went down and when I took over. So if you wanna discuss my voting pattern, look at Days 3 and 4.

Well let's start with Day 3 - why follow LSG with the vote on me so early in the day?

[JAG]

Originally Posted by Lorena

I just went back and rechecked, Mia didn't vote Day 2, that was when her internet went down and when I took over. So if you wanna discuss my voting pattern, look at Days 3 and 4.

I know where you're coming from, but that doesn't really make sense. Whether or not you and Mia would've voted for different people, you both would've had the same role as either wolf or villager. We can hardly fault you for missing the D2 vote, but the D1 vote is still a part of your character's history that can be used to help determine whether you are villager or wolf.

For the record, I don't think the D1 vote is very meaningful or helpful in that regard.

[JAG]

Originally Posted by lerriuqs

That's Day 3.

? My post was in response to this comment about you regarding GE:

"GE - I'm more convinced now than before that GE was a wolf target on Day 2 and is a villager"

I mentioned that the voting history doesn't suggest GE was a wolf target on D2 (the day he tied No Lynch at 6 each) because the two known wolf votes were split between GE and No Lynch and that one of the wolves pushed the vote from 3-2 No Lynch / GE to 4-2 No Lynch / GE.

[GoldenEagle]

Who are we missing for a day 5 vote besides LSG?

[Lorena]

Originally Posted by lerriuqs

Well let's start with Day 3 - why follow LSG with the vote on me so early in the day?

Well, I'll be perfectly honest. I really had no intentions of playing this game, but when Mia left, I sort of felt obligated to continue since I introduced her to WW. I have waaay too many projects around my home to devote the kind of time this games needs. You can believe it or not, it doesn't matter. My early vote that day was because that's when I had time to get on and at the time, that's what made sense.

[LoneStarGirl]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Dude. I already asked you to please put your vote on its own line.

Dude? really? I dont believe I have ever been called a dude. And I dont recall you asking that, but either way I apologize

[lerriuqs]

Originally Posted by GoldenEagle

Who are we missing for a day 5 vote besides LSG?

No one. Just LSG left.

[LoneStarGirl]

Originally Posted by claphamsa

just a note, ill be gone the rest of today (and i dont expect to survive the night) but I have to confess to making a bad error. I sent pms to telle LSG and Lorena ( i had in my head they were on the bench with me, I have no idea how i got thaT) I have explained to pass the error.

sorry guys ill be back at 330-4 ish

I never got this pm

[lerriuqs]

In all honesty, I think this would be an excellent time for the Duke to reveal. It may not change things but it could add to the circle of semi-trust that exists...

[Schmidty]

Originally Posted by LoneStarGirl

I never got this pm

Please vote nightfall like everyone else. k thanks.

[lerriuqs]

BTW, if for some reason I show up dead, I suggest starting with Lathum, my COT has changed slightly...

Who I trust

PB - the Comment by Alan leads me here
Darth - That voting sequence that Jag pointed out is telling. I could have my trust misplaced but it looks likely that he's good.

Leaning towards trust
Schmidty - not totally sure why but there's nothing screaming out wolf in his methods here.
GE - I still think he's ok, but JAG pointed out a flaw in my Day 2 analysis. I would point to his Day 3 where he was firmly set upon Jackal even though he was questioning J23. So he went from wanting to lynch a wolf to reluctantly lynching a wolf.
JAG - the more I looked at his posts, the less concerned I am that he's a wolf

Don't know
LSG
Telle

Leaning towards distrust
Lathum - just not getting a good vibe from Lathum at all.
Lorena/Mia Ow

[LoneStarGirl]

Originally Posted by lerriuqs

Also the further this game goes, I think there's 5 wolves. Jackal, Lathum/Darth (leaning towards Lathum) and one other who's staying out of the light - most likely either LSG or Lorena. 4 just seems too easy.

I am really not staying out of the light. My work and softball schedule just truly prevent me from participating in this game as much as I usually would.

[lerriuqs]

Originally Posted by LoneStarGirl

I am really not staying out of the light. My work and softball schedule just truly prevent me from participating in this game as much as I usually would.

I realize this and I'm not holding that against you per se - it's just difficult to get a read on you due to your schedule. Now would you just lynch Jackal and get this day over with please?

[LoneStarGirl]

Originally Posted by lerriuqs

Kwhit have you had any meaningful PMs with LSG - any idea whether she's good or wolf?

We have had no pms at all, I thought he would have messaged me by now (since this is my second day in a row as goalkeeper) to probe me a little but that hasn't happened

[LoneStarGirl]

Originally Posted by The Jackal

Wow, thank you clap.

vote jackal
vote nightfall

I'm tired. Go wolves.

wow. Suprising

[LoneStarGirl]

Originally Posted by Schmidty

Please vote nightfall like everyone else. k thanks.

I had 6 pages of posts to read... I was getting to it!

vote Jackal

vote nightfall

[LoneStarGirl]

Originally Posted by lerriuqs

I realize this and I'm not holding that against you per se - it's just difficult to get a read on you due to your schedule. Now would you just lynch Jackal and get this day over with please?

Pass isn't even around... and do we know if the wolves have submitted their kill? He would have to wait on that as well

[Schmidty]

Originally Posted by lerriuqs

BTW, if for some reason I show up dead, I suggest starting with Lathum, my COT has changed slightly...

Who I trust

PB - the Comment by Alan leads me here
Darth - That voting sequence that Jag pointed out is telling. I could have my trust misplaced but it looks likely that he's good.

Leaning towards trust
Schmidty - not totally sure why but there's nothing screaming out wolf in his methods here.
GE - I still think he's ok, but JAG pointed out a flaw in my Day 2 analysis. I would point to his Day 3 where he was firmly set upon Jackal even though he was questioning J23. So he went from wanting to lynch a wolf to reluctantly lynching a wolf.
JAG - the more I looked at his posts, the less concerned I am that he's a wolf

Don't know
LSG
Telle

Leaning towards distrust
Lathum - just not getting a good vibe from Lathum at all.
Lorena/Mia Ow

lerriuqs and I have been PMing, and I agree with this list.

[lerriuqs]

Originally Posted by lerriuqs

In all honesty, I think this would be an excellent time for the Duke to reveal. It may not change things but it could add to the circle of semi-trust that exists...

Though wait until after nightfall happens so that the wolves don't disappear you right away...

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by lerriuqs

Everybody but LSG has voted Pass...

WTF? I'm not a wolf!

[Schmidty]

Originally Posted by lerriuqs

Though wait until after nightfall happens so that the wolves don't disappear you right away...

Hey, I have a copyright for quoting myself!!!!!!! You just infringed on it!!!!!

[lerriuqs]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

WTF? I'm not a wolf!

Not only that...you're already dead...

[hoopsguy]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

WTF? I'm not a wolf!

Originally Posted by lerriuqs

Not only that...you're already dead...

Hmm, I've been trying for many games now to find a way to kill the mod. Please let me know how this was accomplished ... preferably by PM so everyone does not go on a moderator-killing spree in future games.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by LoneStarGirl

Pass isn't even around... and do we know if the wolves have submitted their kill? He would have to wait on that as well

If everyone has voted nightfall, that includes the wolves -- and the wolves should know better than to vote nightfall without submitting a kill (or anyone with a night action, for that matter).

Anyway, my spreadsheet is at work, so I'll post match results in the morning.

[lerriuqs]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

If everyone has voted nightfall, that includes the wolves -- and the wolves should know better than to vote nightfall without submitting a kill (or anyone with a night action, for that matter).

Anyway, my spreadsheet is at work, so I'll post match results in the morning.

We have 11 nightfalls. So can we start discussing the next day and it still ends tomorrow at 2 right?

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

No rush -- we're probably a long way from getting all the votes needed for nightfall.

still catching up, but do we really need that many votes?

Jackal voted himself and nightfall admitting his guilt.

Up to Pass, but I say if he can get all the night actions from people we run the deadline ASAP and move on to tomorrow, can save us a day of doing nothing.

[lerriuqs]

Originally Posted by Lathum

still catching up, but do we really need that many votes?

Jackal voted himself and nightfall admitting his guilt.

Up to Pass, but I say if he can get all the night actions from people we run the deadline ASAP and move on to tomorrow, can save us a day of doing nothing.

Everybody has voted Jackal and nightfall.