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[ntndeacon]

Kwits flopping back and forth is suspicious. I have been back and forth on voting for him because of it. The big problem ihave for it is if he was concerned about a possible lynch not happening it would make sence to leave your vote on the condemned person to avoid a 11th hour switch off of him causing a no vote.

[Tyrith]

Originally Posted by BrianD

It is a good question. Does getting him into the race counter you getting him out of it? I can't get over the feeling that you are trying to play both sides on this one. If he turns out bad you can point to being the second one on him and saying that you still thought he was bad (before removing your vote). If he turns out good you can point to you moving your vote off of him. I worry when someone tries to give themselves too many outs.

Nah, if he's good I'll take my share of the blame. I didn't move my vote off him because my opinion really changed -- although as I said earlier, I didn't think he was bad, I just thought it was more likely he was bad than most other people at the time.

[Schmidty]

More and more, I'm seeing the point of voting for Kwhit (until he actually defends himself), but I have to be honest that I'm afraid of looking like a band-wagoner. Regardless, that seems to be the best direction for now. I'd really like to hear more from KWhit.. He's never this quiet.

Vote KWhit

[Izulde]

You know, LSG's been just as quiet, if not moreso than KWhit, but ah hell, since they've both been quiet (my reasoning for LSG), something I hadn't realized until other people started talking about KWhit, and the vote's going that way, I'll switch over to try and get us the lynch, especially since by my own earlier reasoning, KWhit's just as valid a baddy suspect as LSG.

UNVOTE LONESTARGIRL

VOTE KWHIT

[Lorena]

I'm curious to hear more from ntndeacon as he has been really, really quiet and even though he has a vote on him didn't defend himself. I know it's only 1 vote, but still.

The times I've gotten a vote (other than day 1), I get pretty paranoid and attempt some sort of defense, didn't see that from ntn.

[Lorena]

Oh and as far as LSG being quiet, I believe she's been house hunting the past few days, so she might be busy with that.

[Izulde]

Originally Posted by Dodgerchick

Oh and as far as LSG being quiet, I believe she's been house hunting the past few days, so she might be busy with that.

That'd explain it, then. Good to know, thanks

[ntndeacon]

Originally Posted by Dodgerchick

I'm curious to hear more from ntndeacon as he has been really, really quiet and even though he has a vote on him didn't defend himself. I know it's only 1 vote, but still.

The times I've gotten a vote (other than day 1), I get pretty paranoid and attempt some sort of defense, didn't see that from ntn.

Well there is a reason for that DC. First Idid not see the vote until a little while ago. (right after my last post was made.) I will say that in my defence that the first couple of days in general Itend to be quiet, as those are the busiest days for me...And that is even more true this week. I tend not to mention this usually since I figure everything in WW is viewed through the black glasses of paranoia.
I do plan to be more active in the near future.

[Grammaticus]

Okay, I’ve given my reason for voting Tyrith or accumulating suspicion. My general reservations are his play style. I think I have played in at least 2 games with him of which he was good. I recall a somewhat reckless approach with lots of posts and contradicting points. I would say this causes confusion and is bad for the village. But it also seems to match his prior behavior.

I like the idea of going with a UTR candidate as a bad guy is almost always laying low to contrast anyone playing an up front and vocal game. I’m torn on Tyrith as I can talk myself into suspicion on about anything he posts. The UTR candides with votes are LSG, ntndeacon and Kwhit.

LSG – I find her game very different than tombstone and SAW. She usually talks a LOT more. I don’t know if it is just adjusting style or the desire to lay low as a baddie.

Ntndeacon – also usually talks it up a bit, at least he did in tombstone. Now he is very quite.

Kwhit – In my observations always plays a very UTR game. It becomes frustrating because you have very little to go on later in the game. In fact in most games, I forget he is playing.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

I'm curious about KWhit's flipping yesterday, but I can't see how it makes him evil. If he is evil, did he jump off the CR wagon when he knew that a lynch was going to made just to keep his name off the CR list? That seems so obvious a move that I have a hard time believing an evil player would draw so much attention to himself at the end of a vote like that.

Izulde's latest vote change raises my eyebrows. It feels like jumping on the KWhit bandwagon to me.

VOTE Izulde

[Tyrith]

Originally Posted by Grammaticus

Okay, I’ve given my reason for voting Tyrith or accumulating suspicion. My general reservations are his play style. I think I have played in at least 2 games with him of which he was good. I recall a somewhat reckless approach with lots of posts and contradicting points. I would say this causes confusion and is bad for the village. But it also seems to match his prior behavior.

I'm a confusing person, even in the real world

[Tyrith]

I can't say that KWhit would have been my first choice but I like that we're pushing on a UTR instead of killing cronin or saldana or some nonsense like that!

[Grammaticus]

Originally Posted by Tyrith

I'm a confusing person, even in the real world

I will tell you that I believe that very much

[ntndeacon]

Originally Posted by Grammaticus

Okay, I’ve given my reason for voting Tyrith or accumulating suspicion. My general reservations are his play style. I think I have played in at least 2 games with him of which he was good. I recall a somewhat reckless approach with lots of posts and contradicting points. I would say this causes confusion and is bad for the village. But it also seems to match his prior behavior.

I like the idea of going with a UTR candidate as a bad guy is almost always laying low to contrast anyone playing an up front and vocal game. I’m torn on Tyrith as I can talk myself into suspicion on about anything he posts. The UTR candides with votes are LSG, ntndeacon and Kwhit.

LSG – I find her game very different than tombstone and SAW. She usually talks a LOT more. I don’t know if it is just adjusting style or the desire to lay low as a baddie.

Ntndeacon – also usually talks it up a bit, at least he did in tombstone. Now he is very quite.

Kwhit – In my observations always plays a very UTR game. It becomes frustrating because you have very little to go on later in the game. In fact in most games, I forget he is playing.

I did talk more in Tombstone, but I started talking more in that game after day 2. The first 2 days of every game I have played recently, ihave been completely befuddled by who to vote for and who to trust. (As seen in that game by having all of the baddies include me in thier circle of trust lol) The suspicioins I have at the moment that hit me the hardest at the moment I wonder abut since almost no one else has seemed to mention him as a suspect. They are vague suspicions only at this point, only . I do not have a good reason to vote for those potential suspects yet.

As for LSG, wasn't she brought to task in at least one of those games for being too quiet. SO her being quiet does not set off any alarm bells with me so far.

Now, Kwhit is another story. I can see something to grasp onto with him. the last minute vote swapping seems fishy.

[Grammaticus]

Originally Posted by Tyrith

I can't say that KWhit would have been my first choice but I like that we're pushing on a UTR instead of killing cronin or saldana or some nonsense like that!

Is there any particular reason that you chose st.cronin and saldana here? I mean neither are getting much attention. I'm just curious as to what you are saying about them. Are you saying that you have a trust level here or just pointing at experience?

[Tyrith]

Originally Posted by Grammaticus

Is there any particular reason that you chose st.cronin and saldana here? I mean neither are getting much attention. I'm just curious as to what you are saying about them. Are you saying that you have a trust level here or just pointing at experience?

Just a remark about people that keep getting killed early; I wasn't trying to say anything about this game. Sorry for the confusion.

[saldana]

things are a little screwy around here today with the kiddies, and i am going out in about an hour....i am a little disappointed that kwhit hasnt shown up at all to defend himself. i am tempted to switch off to lone star girl....in my opinion, she has always been alot more vocal than she is in this game, which makes me very wary, but kwhits actions are more alarming to me at this point.

[Izulde]

Originally Posted by saldana

things are a little screwy around here today with the kiddies, and i am going out in about an hour....i am a little disappointed that kwhit hasnt shown up at all to defend himself. i am tempted to switch off to lone star girl....in my opinion, she has always been alot more vocal than she is in this game, which makes me very wary, but kwhits actions are more alarming to me at this point.

You know, we can always get LSG tomorrow. If KWhit's actions are more alarming, stick with that.

[saldana]

Originally Posted by Izulde

You know, we can always get LSG tomorrow. If KWhit's actions are more alarming, stick with that.

thats pretty much what i am thinking right now unless something comes up between now and then

[Lorena]

Vote count:

Kwhit (5)- DaddyTorgo, Izulde, Saldana, Schmidty, Thomkal
Tyrith (4)- BrianD, Grammaticus, Spleen1015, Sublime 2
Lathum (1) - st.cronin
ntndeacon (1) - alant
Schmidty (1) - DC
Grammaticus (1) - Tyrith
Izulde (1)- Jonathan E

No votes: blade, kwhit, lathum, lsg, Mr. W, ntndeacon, and swaggs.

We're kind of all over the place. 21 players and we need 11 votes on a candidate to lynch right?

[Tyrith]

Eh, okay, I'll buy into the UTR vote for today. I'm going to have to leave in about 45 minutes and if I'm back before the lynch it will be with 15 minutes to spare.

UNVOTE GRAMMATICUS
VOTE KWHIT

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by Dodgerchick

21 players and we need 11 votes on a candidate to lynch right?

Correct

[Mr. Wednesday]

LSG has been taken to task more than once for being too UTR. At some point, she was supposedly trying to become more talkative to avoid spawning all the attention. Whether this is more a reversion to what comes naturally, or an overreaction to overtalking once as a bad dude (possibly implying that she is, once more, a bad dude?) is open to speculation.

[Mr. Wednesday]

The trouble with waiting this long to vote is that sometimes I'm not feeling super-strong about my choices. Tyrith hasn't really set off any alarm bells with me, and while I don't mind voting KWhit, necessarily, I still feel like we're in a stage where there needs to be pressure on two candidates, not just one.

[Grammaticus]

Alright, I will go UTR as well. Of Kwhit, LSG and ntndeacon Kwhit is the one up for discussion. I'll try to check back in now and then to see what Kwhit says.

UNVOTE TYRITH

VOTE KWHIT

[Swaggs]

I don't have a lot of time tonight, as I just got home from work and am heading right back out.

I am going with Tyrith. I don't have a great candidate, but he has acted oddly all game.

Vote Tyrith

[Mr. Wednesday]

I make the count 7 - 4 right now. I'd like to see some action here, so I'm going to narrow it. Obviously, I'm not wedded to this vote.

VOTE Tyrith

[ntndeacon]

Vote KWhith

[ntndeacon]

oops...for spelling purposes
Unvote Kwhith
Vote Kwhit

[LoneStarGirl]

Okay guys, im reading up, got a few pages to go

[LoneStarGirl]

Originally Posted by Izulde

Okay so my own new list is:

LonestarGirl
Blade
Mr. Wednesday
spleen

LSG is still my strongest suspicion based on the way she's acting, hence she still has my vote.

How am i acting?

[Lorena]

Originally Posted by ntndeacon

Vote KWhith

Any particular reason for voting for Kwhit?

[LoneStarGirl]

Originally Posted by Schmidty

I'm glad to get the chance to play with you too. I really wish Ant would play. (Why doesn't he?)

As far as my play-style, I'm pretty much terrible. I don't have the ability to be sneaky or subtle because I wear my emotions on my sleeve so much, and I'm not very good at picking things apart or analyzing posts. I generally play on "feel", which gets me in trouble a lot of times. All of those things combined always seem to make me look like a bad guy, no matter what my role.

Wow Schmidty, we play a like. Ive heard a lot about you in previous games, you aren't as bad as people say.

[Grammaticus]

LSG,

the biggest play observation made about you is that you may be playing a much quiter game than normal.

[LoneStarGirl]

Originally Posted by Dodgerchick

Oh and as far as LSG being quiet, I believe she's been house hunting the past few days, so she might be busy with that.

I have been, thanks for remembering. Plus i am going to doggy training a couple days a week for my german shephard. but im trying guys, really i am.

[LoneStarGirl]

Originally Posted by Grammaticus

LSG – I find her game very different than tombstone and SAW. She usually talks a LOT more. I don’t know if it is just adjusting style or the desire to lay low as a baddie.
.

In my last game I was a baddy, the first time ever by the way, and ask Alant.... I talked my butt off. At least compared to what i usually do. Honestly, this is my fifth game and i have been trying a different approach for the past three. I am trying to work on my analytical skills with these posts but when i can only get online twice a day and each time im having to read 5 pages its hard to analyze it all.

[LoneStarGirl]

Originally Posted by Mr. Wednesday

LSG has been taken to task more than once for being too UTR. At some point, she was supposedly trying to become more talkative to avoid spawning all the attention. Whether this is more a reversion to what comes naturally, or an overreaction to overtalking once as a bad dude (possibly implying that she is, once more, a bad dude?) is open to speculation.

That was the game when i was a wolf....

Damn I hate being under the microscope so early in these damned games.

[LoneStarGirl]

Well Gramm, i am here tonight to change that. I am going to make 15 posts before i go to bed... well not really, but im going to try to put out some thoughts.

[LoneStarGirl]

I think this is my third time to play with Tyrinth and each time he played weird to me. And each time he was good. I guess weird is his style. He seems to bounce around a lot and have a lot of posts that I dont think are really relevant, but that is him and its okay.

Kwhit i dont think i've played with, but he said why he changed his vote. He said he was going to vote for Cheif rum because he felt he was bad, but changed his vote for lathum because he followed everybody else's lead when they said a no lynch is good for the wolves. Then somebody (st cronin i think) came on and said dont change your vote cuz they told you to, go with your gut, so he changed back to his original guy. And I know he has been under the radar, but so has about 5 other people, so why pick on him?


But as an advocate for making a lynch every night, i want to help get the majority so


vote kwhit

[LoneStarGirl]

And as spleen said in tombstone, im very drive by, i come, post three or four times, and leave. Me being quiet is nothing new, i dont know where y'all are getting that im talkative. But ill try to contribute more in this game. Now i am giong to goldeneagles to cook dinner. Ill be back around lynch.

[ntndeacon]

Originally Posted by Dodgerchick

Any particular reason for voting for Kwhit?

The main idea for that vote goes along with his popping on and then off the lynch. I understood piing on a lynch, but when he then went off of the lynch when he realized there was enough votes without him. He seemed to want the vote to be close enough so that one vote change could sway it to a non lynch. And that seemed wolfish to me

[ntndeacon]

I have a question about our 2 bad teams. after 2 days does it seem that only one of those teams has a night kill ability?

[Lathum]

VOTE TYRITH

his late switch last night is just to weird. He switched off me because he said he knew I wasn't gonna be lynched then switched his vote to someone with no votes. If he switched to CR it would have made some sense but his move confuses me.

[Alan T]

Catching up , it looks like the vote is currently:

(9) Kwhit - Daddytorgo (1030), Saldana (1047), Thomkal (1050), Schmidty (1053), Izulde (1054), Tyrith (1071), Grammaticus (1075), Ntndeacon (1078), Lonestargirl (1089)
(6) Tyrith - Spleen (919), Sublime (958), BrianD (1042), Swaggs (1076), Mr.Wednesday (1077), Lathum (1093)
(1) Schmidty - Dodgerchick (887)
(1) Lathum - St.Cronin (890)
(1) Ntndeacon - Alan (1040)
(1) Izulde - Jonathan Ezarik (1060)

Which means Kwhit is 2 votes from being lynched. I know that there are a few votes still out that havent been made yet.. but I can also be one of those 2 votes to move to kwhit thats needed. I know the entire arguement of lynch is good vs village or lynching without being sure is bad for village... but in this case Kwhit was already on my suspect list as I mentioned before so I have absolutely no problem taking the chance on him tonight.

Kwhit what I want from you in the next 1 hour and 45 min is some good reason why I shouldn't move my vote to you. I won't repeat all of my arguements why I felt you were suspicious yesterday and today, but its time to hear a bit more out of you. If I don't find any compelling reason before deadline then I will move my vote to you.

[Grammaticus]

Originally Posted by ntndeacon

I have a question about our 2 bad teams. after 2 days does it seem that only one of those teams has a night kill ability?

Yes, that has been the prevailing thought to this point. Appears the rules post supports Sauron's agents having night kills and Saruman's not. Just an educated guess with no double night kills.

What do you make of it?

[Blade6119]

Just got home, have a few pages to catch up..is my vote needed right now?

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

Just got home, have a few pages to catch up..is my vote needed right now?

You have an hour and a half. Kwhit is 2 votes from lynch, Tyrith is 5 votes from lynch. If you are looking to put pressure on either of these guys you can put a vote on them. Otherwise you have a while to catch up still.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Alan T

You have an hour and a half. Kwhit is 2 votes from lynch, Tyrith is 5 votes from lynch. If you are looking to put pressure on either of these guys you can put a vote on them. Otherwise you have a while to catch up still.

Question Alan...if you saw a player hint at a certain beneficial to the good side role, would you press the issue because he could be lying to avoid votes, or leave it be and hope hes being honest?

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Dodgerchick

Actually, come to think of it, I've yet to vote for a wolf... wow!

You voted with me against gramat correcltly, when people like LSG and someone else were wrong(who was it, spleen?..it was someone)

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

Question Alan...if you saw a player hint at a certain beneficial to the good side role, would you press the issue because he could be lying to avoid votes, or leave it be and hope hes being honest?

At this point in the game, I would probably leave it alone if you think you saw a hint. In my mind there are alot of suspicious people to choose from, so taking big risks probably aren't worth it at this point. It would be the equivalent of asking your seer to reveal themselves on day 3 for no reason other than saving themselves before they have time to gather more data.

You can always come back to it later or if the status quo changes to where it suddenly becomes more worth it risk vs reward.

If its someone on the line of being lynched however, or you are risking losing them then its probably worth it to be pressed and see what happens since they can't do much to help dead anyways.