WW CV: Transformers (D5, day ends Friday 9 PM EST)

[lerriuqs]

Originally Posted by dubb93

B/C if you are the seer and you have a wolf why would you advocate other people to vote for someone other than that wolf?

1. I'm not sure he's the seer. In fact, I'm pretty sure he's not.
2. Perhaps he didn't get info on allegiance, perhaps there was something else that led in that direction.

I'm speculating of course and I don't want to get lumped in with him on this, but under the roles there's a 21 with two ??'s. Perhaps, he fits in there?

No idea, I just think he's playing very badly as a wolf today if he is a wolf, which I've never seen Autumn do. Which is why I don't think he is one.

[dubb93]

Originally Posted by Autumn

There are a number of roles which allow you to learn information nightly, it is one of them.

I'm pretty sure Autumn was clear here that his role is listed in the rules and that his role is not the ?? one.

[lerriuqs]

Perhaps.

[LoneStarGirl]

Originally Posted by dubb93

I think they are both wolves.

If you think they are both wolves then why did you put your vote on Autumn, somebody who has no votes and not on Danny, somebody who does?

[dubb93]

Originally Posted by LoneStarGirl

If you think they are both wolves then why did you put your vote on Autumn, somebody who has no votes and not on Danny, somebody who does?

Honest answer here is Autumn's agenda against me so far. He has brought my name up the past 2 days and today he voted me and it pissed me off.

[LoneStarGirl]

I do not like that there we re 3 or 4 back to back votes on Autumn, especially after he said he had to get going for a few hours. I do realize that he is acting suspicious, and the point being brought up against him are valid about the EF situation. I think I am goin to hold my vote off for a little while, ill be around until deadline

[Schmidty]

Holy cow. This is my first chance to be at the computer today. I didn't expect there to be 3 more pages to catch up on.

It might take me awhile to do that, because I'm going to be up and down a lot.

[J23]

What evidence do people have against Danny that they think he's a better lynch than Autumn with the half-reveal stuff? If he's more forthcoming and has solid info, it's certainly worth looking at and possibly changing at that point, but as of now I just don't get it. We played the waiting game w/ Lathum that cost us a day of pretty worthless voting on Pass. I'm not a fan of waiting another.

No matter what role Autumn claims to have, I can't imagine how sharing the information at this point hurts the village.

I mean, I know Jackal is a villager, what am I missing about Danny that makes you want him lynched instead of Autumn at this point?

[J23]

Sorry for the long post, but here are all of the comments from Lathum's death to the lynch of EF. I included the vote counts before each comment for a better sense of the timing, though I encourage you to go back and look at the flow of discussion.

EF 1

Originally Posted by Autumn

I just rolled in and caught up guys. Good work JAG on nailing Lathum without us wasting a day. Not so good on the lynch, but that would have been pretty lucky. I thought Pass was playing a bit out of character for him, but I guess it was just whatever it was.

I'm dead, I gotta go to sleep. I'll probably have to reread in the morning to remember what happened.

EF 1

Originally Posted by Autumn

I don't want to step into an argument, but aside from EF's cussin', I think he's right, it sounds like the thief couldn't do anything. Above you suggest that the thief wouldn't be doing the night kill, so what would he be doing? Nothing it seems.

That said I don't think you're wrong about the rest. I won't be voting until tomorrow though.

EF 1, Lerriuqs 1

Originally Posted by Autumn

I should be back in a few times today. But I agree with Alan's thinking.

VOTE EAGLEFAN

EF 3, Alan 1

Originally Posted by Autumn

I'm not sold on Lerriuqs 100%, I think we'll need confirmation from somebody on his role reveal. But I think AlanT is right that EagleFan's alibi is a bit too good to be true. I think it's very likely he fake revealed to save himself, and he should be a lynch candidate today.

(EF 4, Alan 1, Danny 1)

Originally Posted by Autumn

Hmm, well that is pause for thought. Good catch Dubb.

(EF 5, Danny 3, Dubb 1)

Originally Posted by Autumn

I won't be moving my vote, barring new information. I don't see the Danny thing, and I feel sure about EF. I'd like to see another candidate, actually, neither Danny nor AlanT ping me. Other than EF I would go Dubb probably.

(EF 7, Danny 6, Dubb 2)

Originally Posted by Autumn

I"m set on EF, but just to point out the same argument can be made for Lerriuqs. Poor scan of Lathum, both a poor choice and a reason not to have another scan.

(EF 8, Danny 6, Dubb 1)

Originally Posted by Autumn

Whoa, what Schmidty?

(EF 8, Danny 6, Dubb 1)

Originally Posted by Autumn

Lerriuqs and Schmidty just shot up on my wolfdar, what is that?

What happens in a tie?

(EF 8, Danny 6, Dubb 1)

Originally Posted by Autumn

Because I am fairly sure we're about to find out that you were suggesting we avoid lynching a wolf at the last minute.

I could very easily see this as a wolf seeing the writing on the wall that EF was going to be under a lot of scrutiny, and a good time to cut bait so to speak. Again, I'm hoping for info before I have to run out, and I unfortunately won't be back before deadline when I go

[DaddyTorgo]

hey look...it's me

[LoneStarGirl]

I would be such a better WW player if I had the time to do this kind of work J23. After looking at all of these posts I do agree that most of what Autumn says pings a wolfdar in my head. And I don't believe there is enough evidence to vote Danny.
vote Autumn

Originally Posted by J23

Sorry for the long post, but here are all of the comments from Lathum's death to the lynch of EF. I included the vote counts before each comment for a better sense of the timing, though I encourage you to go back and look at the flow of discussion.

I could very easily see this as a wolf seeing the writing on the wall that EF was going to be under a lot of scrutiny, and a good time to cut bait so to speak. Again, I'm hoping for info before I have to run out, and I unfortunately won't be back before deadline when I go

[J23]

Annnd I'm out. Hope things don't go crazy tonight.

[Autumn]

I'm back in for a few minutes before getting back to work. Sorry that you guys aren't happy with my "half reveal." None of the further information I have would allow you to confirm me 100%, but it would be of use for the wolves to know, so I'm not going to reveal. If you think I'm the best target, so be it. Danny will still be around tomorrow presumably and you can have at it again. Hopefully there will be additional information tomorrow to vote on. I feel like we're not doing so well if our only candidates right now are me and Danny, essentially.

I find it a bit much to think that the above by J23 is me cutting bait on EF. I was the second vote on him. I could have revealed my info at that point and we would have gotten no vote history out of the day at all. I could have switched my vote later in the day and gotten him off the lynch. I don't think you'll find a more solid vote really in this game.

[Schmidty]

Sitting down for a minute while my onions are softening. Can someone that has the info handy give me a vote count?

[DaddyTorgo]

yeah - vote count?

[PurdueBrad]

Guys, just got home. Trying my best to get a vote count up.

[dubb93]

As far as I can tell the count is

Autumn 5 - Dubb (978), J23 (1025), KWhit (1029), Alan T (1032), LoneStarGirl (1061)
Danny 4 - Schmidty (883), Autumn (999), The Jackal (1043), lerriuqs (1047)
Dubb 2 - Darth Vilus (955), Danny (966)

This is going forward from the last posted vote count so if something was off with that one then that same thing would be off with this one.

[GoldenEagle]

Twelve minutes to deadline and no one is really on.

It looks like Autumn is getting lynched today. I see the case against him. At this point, if you have an important role, you need to come out and say it. Otherwise, we are going to vote you off.

[PurdueBrad]

VOTE COUNT AS OF 1066

Danny 4 - Schmidty (883), Autumn (999), Jackal (1043), lerriuqs (1047)
Dubb 2 - Darth Vilus (955), Danny (966),
Autumn 5 - Dubb (978), J23 (1025), KWhit (1029), Alan T (1032), LSG (1061)

[GoldenEagle]

Originally Posted by dubb93

As far as I can tell the count is

Autumn 5 - Dubb (978), J23 (1025), KWhit (1029), Alan T (1032), LoneStarGirl (1061)
Danny 4 - Schmidty (883), Autumn (999), The Jackal (1043), lerriuqs (1047)
Dubb 2 - Darth Vilus (955), Danny (966)

This is going forward from the last posted vote count so if something was off with that one then that same thing would be off with this one.

Hmmm. That is interesting. I thought it was a run away at this point. Shows how much I have not been paying attention. Being in the COT can be boring.

[dubb93]

We still have 2 votes out. GoldenEagle and Schmidty as far as I can tell.

[Autumn]

I think I've said plenty about my role. Certainly more than Danny has said about his. Clearly it's good enough to have found one wolf already. I don't see why people are insisting on having it spelled out and drawing roadmaps for the wolves.

[DaddyTorgo]

hmm - autumn or danny

[DaddyTorgo]

3 dubb - i haven't voted

[dubb93]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

3 dubb - i haven't voted

I fail at math.

[GoldenEagle]

Schmidty has voted.

[dubb93]

Originally Posted by GoldenEagle

Schmidty has voted.

Eh, I guess I just fail period then.

[KWhit]

Those that are wavering. Consider Autumn's non-reveal reveal. That is SO wolfish, it's not funny.

[KWhit]

I was hoping he'd have more to say closer to deadline.

I guess not.

I think we have us a wolf.

[DaddyTorgo]

shit - i have 3 minutes?

i guess

VOTE AUTUMN

[GoldenEagle]

VOTE AUTMUN

I tend to agree KWhit. I guess we will find out.

[Autumn]

So it's wolfish not to give away every secret to the wolves? Odd.

[Autumn]

I apologize, I have had a lot come up this week and I just don't have the time to keep arguing. I've got to play it the way I think it should be played, and if you guys want to reveal my role to everyone, you'll have to do it. I gave plenty of evidence of my innocence.

[KWhit]

Originally Posted by Autumn

So it's wolfish not to give away every secret to the wolves? Odd.

Dude, if you were telling the truth, they already know what role you're hinting at.

[Autumn]

Where's a Schmidty save when I need one ;-)

[PurdueBrad]

VOTE COUNT AS OF 1086

Danny 4 - Schmidty (883), Autumn (999), Jackal (1043), lerriuqs (1047)
Dubb 2 - Darth Vilus (955), Danny (966),
Autumn 7 - Dubb (978), J23 (1025), KWhit (1029), Alan T (1032), LSG (1061), DT (1080), GoldenEagle (1081)

[Autumn]

Originally Posted by KWhit

Dude, if you were telling the truth, they already know what role you're hinting at.

Heh, if so it's only because you guys have revealed more and more info to them. If you know, and they kow, and I know, what's it matter to you if I spell it out?

[dubb93]

Autumn, you claim to have 2 scans. Who the hell was your third one? You can't expect us believe you didn't submit an action one night can you?

[KWhit]

I swear, we basically have 2 seers that have revealed and neither one of them can give us any info that we didn't already know!

That's funny.

[Autumn]

Originally Posted by dubb93

Autumn, you claim to have 2 scans. Who the hell was your third one? You can't expect us believe you didn't submit an action one night can you?

I said I only gained info useful to us now one night, that's all.

[PurdueBrad]

The two teams advance into the Chunnel, but Daddy Torgo stops. "I don't want to go down there, I'm scared of water." He retreats outside the Chunnel, waiting for what he thinks will be a disaster. He is right...

An explosion rocks the France side of the Chunnel, collapsing a wall of debris, closing that end. The same thing occurs at the British end, but DT scrambles to make some sort of opening to let his fellow Transformers out. Somewhere within, the Transformers find themselves engulfed, not in water, but quite the opposite, fire. They scramble towards the British end, just hoping that DT can do something to help.

As they approach, light breaks in at just the right moment. But two are left inside, Danny and Autumn. Alan T, as the last one out makes the decision and he reaches for Autumn who...pulls him back inside?!?!

Danny scrambles to freedom but Autumn, the Decepticon Starscream, the brutal, pulls Alan T into the flames, killing him. Grapple, the Intuitive that is Alan T, is now gone as is Starscream...

[Autumn]

You're not getting out if I can't AlanT!

[DaddyTorgo]

hah...we're on a role this game!!

thanks for making me the hero PB - i knew that damn Chunnel was bad news

[PurdueBrad]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

hah...we're on a role this game!!

thanks for making me the hero PB - i knew that damn Chunnel was bad news

The hero would've saved everybody...

[Schmidty]

Yay!!!

But now I look bad.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by Autumn

You're not getting out if I can't AlanT!

Oh frig..

Well thanks for letting me live till day four!


Good luck the rest of the way autobots!

[PurdueBrad]

Deadline...PMs going out first.

[PurdueBrad]

The loss of an Autobot weighs heavily on each of you, particularly as you all had a glimpse of him before the hole closed and the fire consumed him. Some even swear that they heard him muttering something about, "Day four..."

The Autobots, happy to FINALLY be on dry land, gather in the Alps to lick their wounds. Burn marks scar each of your robotic bodies but the hunt is not over.

However, Bumblebee's life is. It seems that Bumblebee, ever the altruistic Autobot, went back into the Chunnel to rescue Grapple or any humans he could find. Unfortunately, someone sealed him in just prior to blowing holes in the Chunnel and allowing the water to pour in. The Jackal, Bumblebee, and the Leadership role, are sadly no more.

[lerriuqs]

Gee...I suck this game...I'm 0 for 2 on the last 2 wolves...

[Schmidty]

Suckage.