2009 NCAA Tournament Thread

[Logan]

Originally Posted by MizzouRah

FO duckman

I'm sure you realize that everyone on this board would have no problem with you, panerd and certain other Missouri fans experiencing the joy of victory.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by sterlingice

You know it's bad when he's using us as a justification for his point

SI

Not really. It's actually relevant to the current discussion.

[duckman]

MBBF is cute when he is aggravated.

[cartman]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

Enjoy the fact that you have the lowest 8 years of Mizzou Basketball to taunt right now. It'll be a long time before you get that chance again.

In-fucking-credible that you should bring this up. It just so happens that this season was the worst one for Texas in over 8 years. Compare that to Mizzou's program over the last 8 years, and this year's Texas team had a better record than all of them except this season's Tiger team.

[duckman]

Win a conference title for the first time in 16 years and suddenly they have tradition.

[Butter]

I think we can all agree that what Mizzou is experiencing right now is the traditional new coach success with other recruiters' players.

Well, most of us can agree on that anyway.

[Radii]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

Listen, our AD decided to hire an assistant coach from the ACC thinking that people in that conference actually know how to coach basketball.

Now now, just because your team grabbed some douchebag no-talent coach from Duke while Kansas was going to 14 straight NCAA Tournaments and 3 final fours after having hired a quality North Carolina assistant is no reason to be angry at the entire ACC.


And that's not to say that UNC is devoid of douchebag no-talent coaches. Carolina was just kind enough to do a service to the rest of division I's major colleges by exposing him as a douchebag no-talent coach themselves instead of unleashing him on some unsuspecting school:

[Karlifornia]

I really don't think I appreciated the pile of flaming garbage the Missouri program was for the last decade. I really wish I had taken more time to enjoy the lack of a caveman swinging his dick back and forth in the cbk threads.

[GoldenEagle]

Once there has been a Coach Doh sighting, then thread is no longer about the NCAA tournament.

[MizzouRah]

ooh.. I like it!

C'mon.. we are all Big 12'ers.. except for KU.

[Arles]

Originally Posted by Logan

My impartial eyes tell me that Memphis has been the second most impressive team in this tournament, behind only UConn.

I agree. If I had to rank the top teams, it would be: UCONN, Memphis, Louisville, UNC then a big mess of teams.

I agree with the sportingnews in that the worst two teams in the tourney now are easily Arizona and Missouri. If either wins, I will be shocked:

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[gstelmack]

Originally Posted by gstelmack

I dunno, the Flasch BF/GF/1R thread that introduced flere diagrams and the Maximum Football threads are pretty high bars to attain, but I'm willing to go along for the ride to see where this one goes...

I stand corrected, this thread is quickly approaching this rarified air. Has a bit to go, but certainly getting into the ballpark.

[spleen1015]

Originally Posted by Butter_of_69

I think we can all agree that what Mizzou is experiencing right now is the traditional new coach success with other recruiters' players.

Well, most of us can agree on that anyway.

Anyone remember what Mike Davis did with Bobby Knight's players?

I can't blame someone for being happy that their team has had a decent season, but DAMN!!!!!!

We should expect no less. MBBF is this dedicated to the PS3, too.

[panerd]

Originally Posted by Butter_of_69

I think we can all agree that what Mizzou is experiencing right now is the traditional new coach success with other recruiters' players.

Well, most of us can agree on that anyway.

Not sure about this one unless its an inside joke with MBBF that I don't get? The only player not recruited by Anderson was Lyons. (And to an extent Matt Lawrence, but he was a walk on) We were shitty in Anderson's first couple of years due to Quin Snyder leaving the cubboard bare by recruiting thugs, putting us on probation, and causing one of our stars to bolt for the NBA due to Quin fucking his girlfriend. I will let MBBF stand on his own on most of his posts, but not this one.

[Radii]

Originally Posted by GoldenEagle

Once there has been a Coach Doh sighting, then thread is no longer about the NCAA tournament.

I figure once we start talking about Missouri's legacy and Norm Stewart, and how tall Chase Daniel may or may not be, pretty much everything is open for discussion

[SackAttack]

Originally Posted by panerd

Not sure about this one unless its an inside joke with MBBF that I don't get? The only player not recruited by Anderson was Lyons. (And to an extent Matt Lawrence, but he was a walk on) We were shitty in Anderson's first couple of years due to Quin Snyder leaving the cubboard bare by recruiting thugs, putting us on probation, and causing one of our stars to bolt for the NBA due to Quin fucking his girlfriend. I will let MBBF stand on his own on most of his posts, but not this one.

Whoa, I clearly missed something in the program's implosion pre-Anderson.

Who was the player?

[Radii]

Originally Posted by Arles

I agree. If I had to rank the top teams, it would be: UCONN, Memphis, Louisville, UNC then a big mess of teams.

I agree with the sportingnews in that the worst two teams in the tourney now are easily Arizona and Missouri. If either wins, I will be shocked:

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wow, mizzou below the 12 seed? Oof.

Missouri's press is fun to watch, and yeah, Memphis has athletes and talent, but they have shown themselves capable of very undisciplined stretches during big games the past couple years(Memphis/UT, right? Worst coaching and execution in the final minute of a game in history?) Memphis should win but I won't at all be suprised if they just completely break down for awhile if Mizzou can keep it close and keep the pressure on.

[panerd]

Originally Posted by SackAttack

Whoa, I clearly missed something in the program's implosion pre-Anderson.

Who was the player?

Linus Kleiza. Of course there are differing opinions on Quin's coke use and the girlfriend situation but quite a few people I know that are close to the program say both of definitely true. I think I have even heard that only the coke use is of any question really. Mizzou fans aren't proud of either so you will have a camp of deniers of both. (panerd goes to check to see what kind of slander is possible on a message board)

[panerd]

Originally Posted by Radii

wow, mizzou below the 12 seed? Oof.

Missouri's press is fun to watch, and yeah, Memphis has athletes and talent, but they have shown themselves capable of very undisciplined stretches during big games the past couple years(Memphis/UT, right? Worst coaching and execution in the final minute of a game in history?) Memphis should win but I won't at all be suprised if they just completely break down for awhile if Mizzou can keep it close and keep the pressure on.

Yeah, the guy has KU and MSU ranked 6 and 7 even though they play each other and then ranks Arizona 15 because he thinks they will lose to UConn.

And he thinks that he is so important that him ranking Memphis 4th will cause their coach to motivate his players with his article. Of course Wake Forest was #7 in his pre-tournament power ratings. (and Mizzou 18th out of 64 and now 16 out of 16) The guy is a prophet!

[MizzouRah]

Originally Posted by panerd

Yeah, the guy has KU and MSU ranked 6 and 7 even though they play each other and then ranks Arizona 15 because he thinks they will lose to UConn.

And he thinks that he is so important that him ranking Memphis 4th will cause their coach to motivate his players with his article. Of course Wake Forest was #7 in his pre-tournament power ratings. (and Mizzou 18th out of 64 and now 16 out of 16) The guy is a prophet!

Yeah.. he's quite the expert.

[hoopsguy]

Originally Posted by DataKing

Some of us have our own reasons for rooting against Mizzou.

Co-sign, but MBBF contributes to the overall Mizzou hatred.

[Groundhog]

So. College Basketball.

St. Mary's defeat Davidson 80-68 in the NIT behind a double-double from Mills, 23pts 10asts. He DID shoot 1-10 from 3pt land however, and 8-12 from within. Curry had 26 points.

[mauchow]

Originally Posted by Groundhog

So. College Basketball.

St. Mary's defeat Davidson 80-68 in the NIT behind a double-double from Mills, 23pts 10asts. He DID shoot 1-10 from 3pt land however, and 8-12 from within. Curry had 26 points.

Yeah, the game that everyone was already in bed.

The game had a start time of 10:30... CENTRAL.

[Izulde]

How do you guys see Curry projecting at the NBA level?

[Groundhog]

I project Curry as a rich man's Eddie House. He is more skilled than House and a better shooter, but will probably find a similar role in the NBA, as the first guard off the bench at either backcourt position.

[Groundhog]

Originally Posted by mauboy1

Yeah, the game that everyone was already in bed.

The game had a start time of 10:30... CENTRAL.

Worked out well for us Aussies.

[Marmel]

Wow. Memphis has a slickster running their program, who is certainly bending if not breaking rules. They will have their UMass-like come-upance at some point in the future.

However, at least they have accomplished something. Mizzou has never tasted a Final 4, so their fans should really STFU until they accomplish something on the hardwood. This is like Rutgers football fans pounding their chests about how dominate their football team has become and yet they never even won their conference. Or maybe this is like Pitt basjetball fans who think they are the equal to UConn or Syracuse in the Big East, but not only have they never been to the Final 4, I just read that they have never beaten a team seeded 5 or better in the history of the tournament. Can that be true???

[Swaggs]

Originally Posted by Marmel

Wow. Memphis has a slickster running their program, who is certainly bending if not breaking rules. They will have their UMass-like come-upance at some point in the future.

However, at least they have accomplished something. Mizzou has never tasted a Final 4, so their fans should really STFU until they accomplish something on the hardwood. This is like Rutgers football fans pounding their chests about how dominate their football team has become and yet they never even won their conference. Or maybe this is like Pitt basjetball fans who think they are the equal to UConn or Syracuse in the Big East, but not only have they never been to the Final 4, I just read that they have never beaten a team seeded 5 or better in the history of the tournament. Can that be true???

I'm pretty sure that, since joining the Big East, Pitt has never made it past the Sweet 16.

[BishopMVP]

Originally Posted by Marmel

Wow. Memphis has a slickster running their program, who is certainly bending if not breaking rules. They will have their UMass-like come-upance at some point in the future.

Except Calipari was exonerated by the NCAA in the Camby situation, while other schools like Duke (with Maggette) and Kansas (with Myron Piggie or something like that? it's been awhile) were convicted of exactly the same thing but received no penalties. Meanwhile, Calhoun has paid for recruits (Rudy Gay), had star players show up at their final for the first time all semester and hand in a blank test (Ben Gordon) and coaches a team currently led by a convicted felon (AJ Price, and Marcus Williams for good measure).

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by Arles

I agree. If I had to rank the top teams, it would be: UCONN, Memphis, Louisville, UNC then a big mess of teams.

I agree with the sportingnews in that the worst two teams in the tourney now are easily Arizona and Missouri. If either wins, I will be shocked:

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Seriously? Over Arizona, Purdue, and Xavier? Really?

Nova at 12? Oklahoma up at 4?

I think this list might be just a little crazy.

SI

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by SackAttack

Whoa, I clearly missed something in the program's implosion pre-Anderson.

Who was the player?

Yeah. I had heard the coke rumors but nothing about Kleiza's girlfriend

SI

[sterlingice]

Oh, and the thing about how people have looked so far and the too much weight being given to them... last I checked, every game still starts out 0-0, no matter how well you did the previous game or games.

Now, I know some of us adjust our opinions because we haven't seen some of these teams a ton (or at all), but, again, how well you do against Chatanooga means nothing in the game against, say, Memphis.

SI

[Dr. Sak]

Originally Posted by Swaggs

I'm pretty sure that, since joining the Big East, Pitt has never made it past the Sweet 16.

As I like to point out to my Pitt friends...

Final Fours
Penn State 1
Pitt 0

[JonInMiddleGA]

If anybody would like to adopt an underdog for an hour or so, please feel free to head to ESPN2, the Georgia Tech women would like all they help they can get. The #9 seed is tied 29-29 at the half against #1 seeded Oklahoma, despite the absence of their leading scorer/rebounder/3p shooter who has been out with a knee injury since the ACC tournament. Somehow, some way, we're still in this thing.

[Swaggs]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

If anybody would like to adopt an underdog for an hour or so, please feel free to head to ESPN2, the Georgia Tech women would like all they help they can get. The #9 seed is tied 29-29 at the half against #1 seeded Oklahoma, despite the absence of their leading scorer/rebounder/3p shooter who has been out with a knee injury since the ACC tournament. Somehow, some way, we're still in this thing.

Which one is the girl who said she would surrender her scholarship if Oklahoma doesn't win it all (I think it was an Oklahoma player?)?

[Swaggs]

Originally Posted by Dr. Sak

As I like to point out to my Pitt friends...

Final Fours
Penn State 1
Pitt 0

You are my only Pitt friend.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Swaggs

Which one is the girl who said she would surrender her scholarship if Oklahoma doesn't win it all (I think it was an Oklahoma player?)?

That'd be Courtney Paris, daughter of former 49er Bubba Paris.

Takes after her daddy in some ways

[Wolfpack]

Originally Posted by Radii

I figure once we start talking about Missouri's legacy and Norm Stewart, and how tall Chase Daniel may or may not be, pretty much everything is open for discussion

Oh, cool! A Rule 34 thread! (I would've thought this a joke, but seeing some of the posts in here, eh, maybe not... )

[Matthean]

So in the women's tourney Duke, a number 1 seed, plays MSU, a number 9 seed, at MSU. WTF? Considering Duke's coach was MSU's coach oh so recently, it wasn't surprising that the crowd was a bit more into it than usual and it helped create an upset loss and for the third time ever a #9 seed made it to the sweet 16.

[Marmel]

Originally Posted by BishopMVP

Except Calipari was exonerated by the NCAA in the Camby situation, while other schools like Duke (with Maggette) and Kansas (with Myron Piggie or something like that? it's been awhile) were convicted of exactly the same thing but received no penalties. Meanwhile, Calhoun has paid for recruits (Rudy Gay), had star players show up at their final for the first time all semester and hand in a blank test (Ben Gordon) and coaches a team currently led by a convicted felon (AJ Price, and Marcus Williams for good measure).

These other schools (none of which I am a fan of anyhow) were not the topic of discussion. If you think Calimari is running a clean program, you are delusional. He jumps to the NBA as soon as the Camby situation broke? They just couldn't tie him him, luckily for him. And I don't think I need to mention Worldwide Wes, DuJuan and Milt Wagner, Derek Rose, etc. How about telling a recruit that Carnesecca was dying? And don't tell me that sweet fed-ex PAID internship his players get doesn't ooze sleeze.

But other than that, I am sure he is on the up and up.

[GoldenEagle]

Originally Posted by Marmel

These other schools (none of which I am a fan of anyhow) were not the topic of discussion. If you think Calimari is running a clean program, you are delusional. He jumps to the NBA as soon as the Camby situation broke? They just couldn't tie him him, luckily for him. And I don't think I need to mention Worldwide Wes, DuJuan and Milt Wagner, Derek Rose, etc. How about telling a recruit that Carnesecca was dying? And don't tell me that sweet fed-ex PAID internship his players get doesn't ooze sleeze.

But other than that, I am sure he is on the up and up.

-Milt Wagner stayed on the staff several years after his son left, got his degree from the U of M, and is now an assistant at UTEP.
-The Fed-Ex internship has been cleared by the NCAA. It is also available to other college students. Shame on Cal for giving these players real world skills with one of the biggest companies in the world.
-Worldwide Wes. You may have something there, but again, everything he does is with the rules.

I am under the belief that all programs, in every sport, bend the rules some. Most of that comes back to the NCAA, which is not as concerned about the welfare of the student athlete as it is about the money the NCAA is making.

[Thomkal]

Sadly the Ball State women's team couldn't keep the magic going after beating Tennessee and lost to Iowa State. Still what a first ever win in the tourney to have on your resume.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by Karlifornia

I really don't think I appreciated the pile of flaming garbage the Missouri program was for the last decade.

People took for granted just how good Mizzou was for a 20 year stretch from the late 70s through the late 90s. It went to hell in a handbasket during the Quin debacle. I'm not sure that Coach Anderson's first couple of years can be considered his fault. It took two years to switch that culture back to where it should be.

I'd also add that stretch with Quin was killing Norm. While he's Tiger through and through, he felt as though everything he had established during his career was flushed down the toilet in a couple of short years. He's much happier now that Coach Anderson has righted the ship.

Originally Posted by Butter_of_69

I think we can all agree that what Mizzou is experiencing right now is the traditional new coach success with other recruiters' players.

Well, most of us can agree on that anyway.

This comment about Anderson winning with someone else's players couldn't be more incorrect. He's winning now because he's finally rid of the other coach's players.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

dola

I hadn't gone through to look this up, but someone else did........

SportingNews.com - Your expert source for NCAA Basketball stats, scores, standings, and blogs from NCAA Basketball columnists

5. Memphis' real challenge starts now. The Tigers' 27-game winning streak includes four victims that reached the NCAA Tournament (Tennessee, Gonzaga, Cal State Northridge and Maryland) and only one (Gonzaga) seeded in the top half of the bracket. The Tigers will play nothing but top-five seeds from here on out (unless they were to face Arizona in a national semifinal).

Amazing that 23 of the 27 victims in this stretch were non-NCAA tourney teams and 26 of 27 were outside the top 32 teams. That's a pleasure cruise, not a schedule.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

super dola

Nothing like having the #1 seed in your team's bracket get notified of potential major NCAA violations during the Sweet 16 round.........

Probe: UConn violated NCAA rules - College Basketball - Rivals.com

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

super super dola

Off topic somewhat. Big transfer target now available. Seth Curry is transferring from Liberty. Leading freshman scorer in the nation at over 20 PPG.

Freshman Seth Curry to transfer after one year at Liberty - ESPN

[Logan]

Well the last Yahoo investigation into USC really brought down the program, so I'm sure Thabeet and AJ Price are shaking.

[MizzouRah]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

super super dola

Off topic somewhat. Big transfer target now available. Seth Curry is transferring from Liberty. Leading freshman scorer in the nation at over 20 PPG.

Freshman Seth Curry to transfer after one year at Liberty - ESPN

Liberty went 23-12 this season, finishing with an 88-65 loss to James Madison on Monday night in the CollegeInsider.com tournament. Curry scored eight points in the loss.

He wasn't that much of a difference.

[cartman]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

This comment about Anderson winning with someone else's players couldn't be more incorrect. He's winning now because he's finally rid of the other coach's players.

No, he's not incorrect. You are simply full of shit. How in the world can you claim that when J.T. Tiller, Leo Lyons, DeMarre Carroll and Zaire Taylor, all juniors and seniors, are #1, #2, #3 and #5 in scoring for the team?

Now who cannot be more incorrect?

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by cartman

No, he's not incorrect. You are simply full of shit. How in the world can you claim that when J.T. Tiller, Leo Lyons, DeMarre Carroll and Zaire Taylor, all juniors and seniors, are #1, #2, #3 and #5 in scoring for the team?

Now who cannot be more incorrect?

Uhhh, JT Tiller was a UAB recruit of Anderson's that was released from his letter of intent when Anderson moved to Mizzou.

Zaire Taylor transferred to Mizzou in Anderson's second year from Delaware.

DeMarre Carroll transferred from Vanderbilt after Anderson got the Mizzou job. He didn't want to play for his uncle at UAB because it wasn't in a high-profile conference, but that changed when Anderson came to Mizzou.

I'm not going to say you're wrong. I'll just note that I'm not full of shit. Leo Lyons and Matt Lawrence are the only Snyder recruits remaining. I'd also note that both of them were in Snyder's doghouse and neither excelled until Anderson took over.