The Official March Madness 2007 Thread - Page 21

Karlifornia · 03-24-2007, 09:03 PM

First of all, let me just say GoldenEagle is either mentally handicapped, or has a little too much invested in Memphis basketball emotionally. I've seen some idiotic stuff, and even taken part myself, but that post-game meltdown goes down singlehandedly as the most embarrassing behavior I've ever seen. It went from aggravating, to funny, to sad, to maddening, to hilarious, to just plain pathetic.

Second, I was at the UCLA/Kansas game. What an amazing atmosphere that was. The buzz of the crowd right before the tip was insane. UCLA can beat any team that comes at them in the final four. I'm hoping for an Oregon/UCLA semi-final.

BrianD · 03-24-2007, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by RedKingGold

Once again, you have so much experience knowing what a referee sees on a floor with a bunch of athletes running around at high speeds and great ability because?

I have done some officiating in my day, but certainly not anywhere near the level of these games.

Really, that isn't the point though. Pretend you are an NCAA official on the side of the court where the ball is with under 3 seconds left in the game. Can you really tell me you would be looking somewhere other than the guy with the ball. NCAA refs can make upwards of $70k/year. They know what they are doing. They are human and they will make mistakes though. I think missing this travel was a mistake. It probably wasn't intentional and it may have been a "let them play" kind of decision. I wouldn't be surprised if the NCAA made some kind of statement to say this one should have been called.

BrianD · 03-24-2007, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by MalcPow

That being said, I've actually moved to the opinion that you simply don't call a travel like that in that situation. You can step and lift your pivot to vault into a shot, and with that perspective the call moves from bad to borderline in my mind after watching more replays (especially at game speed). I see the arguments both ways, and would rather the officials let the outcome of a play decide crucial situations like that rather than make a game-changing close call. But I'm an alum, totally biased, and am seriously hoping to log in tomorrow night to read Radii's enraged rantings.

My argument to this would be to say that the defender also knows when a pivot-foot has been established. He knows which way an offensive player can go and he is going to play defense accordingly. By picking up the pivot-foot and taking the extra step, he moved himself into a position that the defender knew he couldn't get to legally. I can understand the "let them play" argument (even though I'm not a big fan of that), but when someone gains that much of an advantage through the illegal move, you are letting them play too much.

Edit: For the record, I did have Georgetown winning in all of my pools, so I'm not sad that they are still in. I just don't think they deserved to get away with that call.

Karlifornia · 03-24-2007, 09:24 PM

Man, what about that girl from Duke clanking two free throws with 0.1 left. How devastating.

MrBug708 · 03-24-2007, 09:44 PM

Just saw a note that this was the first game that Kansas has let an opponent shoot over 50% in a game

adubroff · 03-24-2007, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by bsak16

But the problem is that everyone thinks their team gets screwed if they lose and no matter how much you want to believe it, they don't give a rats ass who wins the game. Sure they are going to miss some calls. If you want a perfect game called then design a robot to do the game. Or better yet have the refs call the game from a booth. When the see a foul they can signal to the official on the court to blow the whistle. That way they get a better view of what is going on.

I'm all for putting them in the booth if that leads to a better result. I don't care if they put them in submarines in the bottom of the ocean and have them squeeze octopus tentacles when they think there is a foul if they end up getting a better result. I'm all for robots too, if they can design one that does a good job.

GoldenEagle · 03-24-2007, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Karlifornia

First of all, let me just say GoldenEagle is either mentally handicapped, or has a little too much invested in Memphis basketball emotionally. I've seen some idiotic stuff, and even taken part myself, but that post-game meltdown goes down singlehandedly as the most embarrassing behavior I've ever seen. It went from aggravating, to funny, to sad, to maddening, to hilarious, to just plain pathetic.

Yes, I was drunk, pissed off, and frustrated. I still do not think Memphis got a fair shake and I do not think the reffing was consistent on both sides of the floor.

UCLA has had had essentially two years in a row where thy got to have a home court advantage during the regional final. I dobut they have two straight final four appearances if those games had been played in the east.

JonInMiddleGA · 03-24-2007, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Karlifornia

Man, what about that girl from Duke clanking two free throws with 0.1 left. How devastating.

And that's not just any player either, that's the ACC player of the year &
a bonafide national player of the year candidate who bricked them both.

And to add injury to insult, she was also the top defensive player in the conference who had only seconds earlier had the game-winning basket scored right over her.

Wolfpack · 03-24-2007, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by sterlingice

(Obviously, this is a moot point and goes back to my original complaints about the bracket in the selection show thread about this being the worst job of the last 5 years or so... EDIT: It's basically something for me to talk about since Kansas is gone and until opening day next week)

UCLA didn't get a #1 seed so they don't deserve to get home court against the #1. The committee has said the regional names are names only- they don't have too much of a bearing on who goes where. Just look at how Florida, the #1, got sent to the Midwest instead of South or East, closer to them.

SI

Admittedly, initially it does not make sense for Florida to be in the Midwest and Ohio State in the South, but if I understand it correctly, Florida was at least higher-rated than Ohio State simply on basis of who went where. In a strange quirk of geography, Gainesville is technically closer to St. Louis than either East Rutherford or San Antonio. Given that Florida wound up in St. Louis and Ohio State in San Antonio, Florida at least had the higher overall seed because if Ohio State did, they'd have been in St. Louis rather than Florida. Kansas being the last top seed obviously got neither of those regions and wound up in San Jose. I'm not sure whether they start S-curving at the #2 seed, but if so, that made UCLA #5 overall. I'm pretty sure it's S-curving by the #3 seeds because it's the only way to explain how Washington State (East), Pittsburgh (West), and Oregon (Midwest) ended up where they did.

MrBug708 · 03-24-2007, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldenEagle

Yes, I was drunk, pissed off, and frustrated. I still do not think Memphis got a fair shake and I do not think the reffing was consistent on both sides of the floor.

UCLA has had had essentially two years in a row where thy got to have a home court advantage during the regional final. I dobut they have two straight final four appearances if those games had been played in the east.

UCLA would have beat Memphis last year in that game even if the game was IN Memphis so lets not start talking crazy

MizzouRah · 03-24-2007, 10:37 PM

All is not lost, at least Kansas is out of it.

Don't ever mention Durant and Oden in the same post again, Oden couldn't carry Durant's jock... in fact, he's antoher Shack. He can slam the ball and that's about it. Oh well, he'll do good in the NBA.

watravaler · 03-24-2007, 10:38 PM

Ahhh...two of the dirtiest programs in college ball go down...life is good.

:runs away:

GoldenEagle · 03-24-2007, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by watravaler

Ahhh...two of the dirtiest programs in college ball go down...life is good.

:runs away:

I would run away too with those sort of rash comments.

GoldenEagle · 03-24-2007, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by MrBug708

UCLA would have beat Memphis last year in that game even if the game was IN Memphis so lets not start talking crazy

Yea, since you are really qualified to say something like that.

molson · 03-24-2007, 10:57 PM

The team you root for is going to lose to end the season at LEAST 90-95% of the time, and usually more. If that inevitability causes such grief, the whole thing really isn't worth it.

MrBug708 · 03-24-2007, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldenEagle

Yea, since you are really qualified to say something like that.

Well I'm sober for one, so that's a head start on you...

But Memphis didnt make one adjustment from the first time they played to the second time they played. Ben Howland ended up exploited every part of Memphis in the Elite 8 matchup

RedKingGold · 03-24-2007, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by BrianD

Really, that isn't the point though. Pretend you are an NCAA official on the side of the court where the ball is with under 3 seconds left in the game. Can you really tell me you would be looking somewhere other than the guy with the ball. NCAA refs can make upwards of $70k/year. They know what they are doing. They are human and they will make mistakes though. I think missing this travel was a mistake. It probably wasn't intentional and it may have been a "let them play" kind of decision. I wouldn't be surprised if the NCAA made some kind of statement to say this one should have been called.

Yeah, I definitely accept this. I was never saying that the referees did not make a mistake. It was pretty clear from the video tape that the refs did miss a pretty blatent call. However, it gets annoying whenever people call out the referees for being "horrible" and its "unexcusable" when they miss a pretty obvious call. It happens, it's life, get over it.

RedKingGold · 03-24-2007, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldenEagle

Yea, since you are really qualified to say something like that.

Sorry. Memphis was outplayed today, clear and simple. If three blind mice were calling the game, Memphis still would have lost.

GoldenEagle · 03-24-2007, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by MrBug708

Well I'm sober for one, so that's a head start on you...

But Memphis didnt make one adjustment from the first time they played to the second time they played. Ben Howland ended up exploited every part of Memphis in the Elite 8 matchup

That was last year. No one gives a shit.

And I would be willing to bet that even with a six pack in me, you still would have a hard time getting a head start on me.

GoldenEagle · 03-24-2007, 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by RedKingGold

Sorry. Memphis was outplayed today, clear and simple. If three blind mice were calling the game, Memphis still would have lost.

Perhaps. But the sequence that changed the game was:

1) Oden not getting called for an obvious goaltending.
2) Oden getting "intentionally fouled"
3) The bucket counting, despite the shot being roughly four minutes later
4) Getting two free throws
5) tOSU getting the ball back.

After that, Memphis was flat and probably realized it had no chance. OSU outscored them 35-16 from that point.

INDalltheway · 03-24-2007, 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldenEagle

Perhaps. But the sequence that changed the game was:

1) Oden not getting called for an obvious goaltending.
2) Oden getting "intentionally fouled"
3) The bucket counting, despite the shot being roughly four minutes later
4) Getting two free throws
5) tOSU getting the ball back.

After that, Memphis was flat and probably realized it had no chance. OSU outscored them 35-16 from that point.

I don't think the goaltending was obvious like you say it was, but it was close. He was intentionally fouled, but I agree that I don't think the shot should have counted..

BrianD · 03-24-2007, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldenEagle

Perhaps. But the sequence that changed the game was:

1) Oden not getting called for an obvious goaltending.
2) Oden getting "intentionally fouled"
3) The bucket counting, despite the shot being roughly four minutes later
4) Getting two free throws
5) tOSU getting the ball back.

After that, Memphis was flat and probably realized it had no chance. OSU outscored them 35-16 from that point.

So then really you are upset at your guy for bear-hugging Oden and dragging him off of the court? That I can understand.

BrianD · 03-24-2007, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by RedKingGold

Yeah, I definitely accept this. I was never saying that the referees did not make a mistake. It was pretty clear from the video tape that the refs did miss a pretty blatent call. However, it gets annoying whenever people call out the referees for being "horrible" and its "unexcusable" when they miss a pretty obvious call. It happens, it's life, get over it.

In that situation with that call, I do think it was horrible. I'd love to hear what happened on that call. I'm sure we never will, but I'd be curious if nobody saw it or if they just chose not to call it.

GoldenEagle · 03-24-2007, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by BrianD

So then really you are upset at your guy for bear-hugging Oden and dragging him off of the court? That I can understand.

I am sure a guy like CDR can really dragt a guy like Oden off the court. Get real.

Brownkeg8 · 03-24-2007, 11:22 PM

The goaltending was a judgement call in real time, just like last night w/ Green's possible travel. We have all had time to look at it both & there really is no clearcut answer. The intentional was as obvious as they come as there was absolutely no intent to go for the ball as the rule states. The biggest factor as far as turning point was that was a stupid foul at that point of the game by a player Memphis needed to stay out of foul trouble to keep himself off the bench.

cartman · 03-24-2007, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldenEagle

I am sure a guy like CDR can really dragt a guy like Oden off the court. Get real.

I thought you said you had the game Tivo'd???

MrBug708 · 03-24-2007, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldenEagle

That was last year. No one gives a shit.

And I would be willing to bet that even with a six pack in me, you still would have a hard time getting a head start on me.

What are you talking about?

MrBug708 · 03-24-2007, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldenEagle

That was last year. No one gives a shit.

And I would be willing to bet that even with a six pack in me, you still would have a hard time getting a head start on me.

You did bring up last year first

BrianD · 03-24-2007, 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldenEagle

I am sure a guy like CDR can really dragt a guy like Oden off the court. Get real.

It was the fact that he had so much trouble doing it that made it obviously intentional. Honestly, it was probably the reason the basket counted as well. Contact was made while Oden was still on the ground but CDR had to work so hard to get the foul that Oden was shooting by the time they finally called the foul.

Chief Rum · 03-25-2007, 03:51 AM

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Originally Posted by GoldenEagle

I am sure a guy like CDR can really dragt a guy like Oden off the court. Get real.

He can. He can also leap tall buildings and run faster than bullet trains, just like all of his Memphis teammates (who only lose when the refs job them). Or so I heard from someone from Memphis.

RedKingGold · 03-25-2007, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by GoldenEagle

Perhaps. But the sequence that changed the game was:

1) Oden not getting called for an obvious goaltending.
2) Oden getting "intentionally fouled"
3) The bucket counting, despite the shot being roughly four minutes later
4) Getting two free throws
5) tOSU getting the ball back.

After that, Memphis was flat and probably realized it had no chance. OSU outscored them 35-16 from that point.

You make my point right there. So, after a bad call, the Memphis team was "deflated" for nearly ten minutes of game time? You're putting the sole fact that Memphis lost on a bad call with so much time remaining? If that's the truth than Calipari should be fired for not getting his kids composed with so much time remaining. With that statement, you basically agree with my point that Memphis, not the refs, lost that game.

HerRealName · 03-25-2007, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by MrBug708

Timezones for one. You're talking about the difference of an hour compared to possible 4 hours.

Was there a Newfoundland Regional this year

I can't see how timezones would have any impact, only one Region was in the eastern time zone. Kansas was two time zones away, the same as UCLA would have been if they were properly placed in the Midwest or the South. A number one seed played a game that started at 10:30 PM in their local time.

Say it was for attendance or TV ratings and I wouldn't disagree but it's just weird how the two and three seeds were given geographical advantages over number one seeds.

miami_fan · 03-25-2007, 03:28 PM

Brooks and Hariston better stay hot. The rest of the Ducks are struggling.

miami_fan · 03-25-2007, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by HerRealName

Was there a Newfoundland Regional this year

I can't see how timezones would have any impact, only one Region was in the eastern time zone. Kansas was two time zones away, the same as UCLA would have been if they were properly placed in the Midwest or the South. A number one seed played a game that started at 10:30 PM in their local time.

Say it was for attendance or TV ratings and I wouldn't disagree but it's just weird how the two and three seeds were given geographical advantages over number one seeds.

If blame needs to be placed on something, I would go with the pod system. To me, that played more of a factor than anything else.

miami_fan · 03-25-2007, 04:46 PM

This pace is going to kill the Hoyas in the second half if this keeps up.

MrIllini · 03-25-2007, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldenEagle

Memphis got fucking screwed in the ass. Fucking screwed. Such BS officiating. They gout fucking screwed. How many consecutive possessions for an OSU free throws? God we got screwed. Just be fucking fair. That is the the only thing we ask. So obvious the NCAA and CBS wanted OSU in the game.

Maybe if Calipari wasn't such a huge piece of shit, this kind of stuff wouldn't bite him in the ass.

*shurg*

MrIllini · 03-25-2007, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldenEagle

Dude, your so full of shit your eyes are brown. How many consecutive trips did OSU shoot free throws? How many illegal picks did OSU throw?

WE FUCKING GOT TO HAVE A TEAM FROM THE BIG FUCKING 10 IN THE FINAL FOUR.

how often do you see "illegal" or "moving" picks called at any time during the regular season, boner?

MizzouRah · 03-25-2007, 04:54 PM

GO UNC!

MrBug708 · 03-25-2007, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by MrIllini

Maybe if Calipari wasn't such a huge piece of shit, this kind of stuff wouldn't bite him in the ass.

*shurg*

Or if Dorsey would stop calling out opponents before Elite 8 matchups

MrIllini · 03-25-2007, 04:57 PM

sorry, just catching up

and for the record, I also would've preferred to see tOSU lose...but rooting for one team or the other in tOSU against Memphis is like choosing which arm I want to lose

MrIllini · 03-25-2007, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by MrBug708

Or if Dorsey would stop calling out opponents before Elite 8 matchups

well, that too

I will give him credit for his post-game comments about the fact that they quoted him perfectly though

st.cronin · 03-25-2007, 05:06 PM

According to TroyF, you're not allowed to complain about the officiating after your team loses, no matter what. Its classless.

Young Drachma · 03-25-2007, 05:26 PM

Just got back from the WNIT Elite 8 game where Wyoming beat South Dakota State. They get K-State at home in the WNIT Final Four.

There were probably more fans at the game today than at some of those NCAA Regional games. Over 11k

Big Fo · 03-25-2007, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by MizzouRah

Don't ever mention Durant and Oden in the same post again, Oden couldn't carry Durant's jock... in fact, he's antoher Shack. He can slam the ball and that's about it. Oh well, he'll do good in the NBA.

Um, he can rebound and block shots quite well, both things that are valuable at any level of basketball.

MrIllini · 03-25-2007, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by MizzouRah

Don't ever mention Durant and Oden in the same post again, Oden couldn't carry Durant's jock... in fact, he's antoher Shack. He can slam the ball and that's about it. Oh well, he'll do good in the NBA.

hehehe

So you're saying he's a better version of Doug Smith?

st.cronin · 03-25-2007, 05:34 PM

What happened to Hansbraugh's mouth?

MrIllini · 03-25-2007, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

What happened to Hansbraugh's mouth?

Gerald Henderson tried to put "something" in it

st.cronin · 03-25-2007, 05:39 PM

It would be great if he got some gold fronts.

MizzouRah · 03-25-2007, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by MrIllini

hehehe

So you're saying he's a better version of Doug Smith?

lol... Douggie!

MizzouRah · 03-25-2007, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Fo

Um, he can rebound and block shots quite well, both things that are valuable at any level of basketball.

Um.. he can also check like a hockey player, definite basketball skillz baby!

Rebound, block shots, and slam dunk... yes a baby Shaq he is!

03-24-2007, 09:03 PM	#1001
Karlifornia Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: San Jose, CA	First of all, let me just say GoldenEagle is either mentally handicapped, or has a little too much invested in Memphis basketball emotionally. I've seen some idiotic stuff, and even taken part myself, but that post-game meltdown goes down singlehandedly as the most embarrassing behavior I've ever seen. It went from aggravating, to funny, to sad, to maddening, to hilarious, to just plain pathetic. Second, I was at the UCLA/Kansas game. What an amazing atmosphere that was. The buzz of the crowd right before the tip was insane. UCLA can beat any team that comes at them in the final four. I'm hoping for an Oregon/UCLA semi-final. __________________ Look into the mind of a crazy man (NSFW) http://www.whitepowerupdate.wordpress.com

03-24-2007, 09:24 PM	#1004
Karlifornia Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: San Jose, CA	Man, what about that girl from Duke clanking two free throws with 0.1 left. How devastating. __________________ Look into the mind of a crazy man (NSFW) http://www.whitepowerupdate.wordpress.com

03-25-2007, 03:28 PM	#1033
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03-25-2007, 04:46 PM	#1035
miami_fan Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Land O Lakes FL	This pace is going to kill the Hoyas in the second half if this keeps up. __________________ "The blind soldier fought for me in this war. The least I can do now is fight for him. I have eyes. He hasn’t. I have a voice on the radio, he hasn’t. I was born a white man. And until a colored man is a full citizen, like me, I haven’t the leisure to enjoy the freedom that colored man risked his life to maintain for me. I don’t own what I have until he owns an equal share of it. Until somebody beats me and blinds me, I am in his debt."- Orson Welles August 11, 1946

03-25-2007, 04:57 PM	#1040
MrIllini High School Varsity Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Where you live	sorry, just catching up and for the record, I also would've preferred to see tOSU lose...but rooting for one team or the other in tOSU against Memphis is like choosing which arm I want to lose __________________ if i said you had a beautiful body, would you hold it against me?

03-24-2007, 09:44 PM	#1005
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	Just saw a note that this was the first game that Kansas has let an opponent shoot over 50% in a game

03-24-2007, 10:37 PM	#1011
MizzouRah Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Troy, Mo	All is not lost, at least Kansas is out of it. Don't ever mention Durant and Oden in the same post again, Oden couldn't carry Durant's jock... in fact, he's antoher Shack. He can slam the ball and that's about it. Oh well, he'll do good in the NBA.

03-24-2007, 10:38 PM	#1012
watravaler High School JV Join Date: Jun 2005	Ahhh...two of the dirtiest programs in college ball go down...life is good. :runs away:

03-24-2007, 10:57 PM	#1015
molson General Manager Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The Mountains	The team you root for is going to lose to end the season at LEAST 90-95% of the time, and usually more. If that inevitability causes such grief, the whole thing really isn't worth it.

03-24-2007, 11:22 PM	#1025
Brownkeg8 Mascot Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Ohio	The goaltending was a judgement call in real time, just like last night w/ Green's possible travel. We have all had time to look at it both & there really is no clearcut answer. The intentional was as obvious as they come as there was absolutely no intent to go for the ball as the rule states. The biggest factor as far as turning point was that was a stupid foul at that point of the game by a player Memphis needed to stay out of foul trouble to keep himself off the bench.

03-25-2007, 04:54 PM	#1038
MizzouRah Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Troy, Mo	GO UNC!

03-25-2007, 05:06 PM	#1042
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	According to TroyF, you're not allowed to complain about the officiating after your team loses, no matter what. Its classless. __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

03-25-2007, 05:26 PM	#1043
Young Drachma Dark Cloud Join Date: Apr 2001	Just got back from the WNIT Elite 8 game where Wyoming beat South Dakota State. They get K-State at home in the WNIT Final Four. There were probably more fans at the game today than at some of those NCAA Regional games. Over 11k

03-25-2007, 05:34 PM	#1046
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	What happened to Hansbraugh's mouth? __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

03-25-2007, 05:39 PM	#1048
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