*World Cup Game Discussion Thread* (SPOILERS) - Page 21

Easy Mac · 06-17-2006, 11:50 AM

Well, look at it this way:
Czechs win - 6 points, 1 less spot in the next round.
Czechs lose - Ghana, Czech, Italy on 3 points. If we beat Italy, everything is almost even (depends on how much we beat Italy by to determine the goal difference). A tie v. Ghana and a strong win v. Italy (and an Italian Czech tie) could move us along
Czechs tie - We'd still have to at least tie Italy and hopefully beat Ghana by a lot and hope that the Czechs and Italians don't play to a tie.

Crapshoot · 06-17-2006, 11:51 AM

The commentator just announced that the Ghanian forward plays for Serie B in Italy *sobs*.

RendeR · 06-17-2006, 11:58 AM

Overly obvious statement:

Brent Musberger is a complete and utter shitbag of a commentator.

Please return to your earlier enjoyment.

Thank You.

RendeR · 06-17-2006, 11:59 AM

DOLA: that being said I am VERY impressed with Ghana's play thus far. If their defense can stay solid they might stick a second one in and shock everyone with a win here.

TazFTW · 06-17-2006, 12:23 PM

Oh my.

Easy Mac · 06-17-2006, 12:23 PM

Off the post PK for Ghana. Wow, that could have nailed the coffin.

Red card for Czechs... Wow, this team is imploding today.

RendeR · 06-17-2006, 12:24 PM

Holy Crap!!

So the czech's get saved on a terrible PK shot, but they have to play a man down because their player is an idiot??

WOW.

kingfc22 · 06-17-2006, 12:24 PM

What a turn of events there.

Crapshoot · 06-17-2006, 12:24 PM

Shit call - shit ref. For once, the commentators got the "football gods" bit right.

MrBigglesworth · 06-17-2006, 12:25 PM

Wow that was intense.

RendeR · 06-17-2006, 12:26 PM

Yeah I've been very underwhelmed by this ref, he's terribly inconsistant.

illinifan999 · 06-17-2006, 12:26 PM

What just happened there?

Critch · 06-17-2006, 12:27 PM

Terrible refereeing and the Ghana players following him around waving their hands and demanding a red card was classless.

kingfc22 · 06-17-2006, 12:28 PM

The Czech are going to be without two starters due to cards and probably without Koller when they play Italy.

Crapshoot · 06-17-2006, 12:28 PM

Actually, now that I think bout it - the red card wasn't the ref's discretion. If you think there is a foul by the last man (ie, the last obstacle between the player and the goalkeeper ), its an automatic red-card if it is a "goal-scoring" opportunity - which it clearly was. The foul call was shit - but the red card wasn't really a choice.

MrBigglesworth · 06-17-2006, 12:32 PM

This is weird, I'm rooting for no more goals, but sort of rooting for Ghana to score because 2-0 is better than 1-1. Weird feeling.

Neuqua · 06-17-2006, 12:35 PM

The Czech goalie has saved this from being a blowout.

ice4277 · 06-17-2006, 12:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neuqua

Which team am I supposed to be rooting for in this game ?

Ghana, if you want the result to help the U.S. But I feel bad for the Czechs, they have gotten screwed.

Crapshoot · 06-17-2006, 12:37 PM

Cech is singlehandedly keeping the Czech's in the game.

Crapshoot · 06-17-2006, 12:38 PM

Eh, Ghana's dropping back 9 men at this point - I don't see the Czech's scoring without a little magic.

MrBug708 · 06-17-2006, 12:39 PM

DAAAAAAAAAAAAMN

TazFTW · 06-17-2006, 12:39 PM

Neuqua · 06-17-2006, 12:39 PM

That last goal looked like all the players were in slow motion.

Easy Mac · 06-17-2006, 12:39 PM

OMFGhana 2-0 its ovah

Critch · 06-17-2006, 12:40 PM

Czechs screwed again? Looked like there was an offside in the buildup there.

ISiddiqui · 06-17-2006, 12:40 PM

GHANA!!!

Woooot!! What a great game

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Crapshoot · 06-17-2006, 12:41 PM

This is interesting. Assuming a US loss to Italy, the Czech's will have to go gung ho against a tight Italian defense because they are tied with Ghana in points - while Ghana gets the Americans.

tucker rocky · 06-17-2006, 12:41 PM

US lost to C.Republic?
Ghana embarrassing C.Republic.

terpkristin · 06-17-2006, 12:41 PM

That was a gorgeous goal.

Wow, US really had better look sharp today and pull a win.

/tk

Crapshoot · 06-17-2006, 12:43 PM

The red card changed things though - the Czech's were forced to push people forward, down one man - and they got caught out. they haven't played well, but that was a huge factor .

Crapshoot · 06-17-2006, 12:45 PM

http://football.guardian.co.uk/world...788308,00.html

If you guys like the English commentary, I love the Guardian's minute by minute version - its hilarious.

Easy Mac · 06-17-2006, 12:46 PM

If Ghana had any idea how to make a run they'd be up Argentina style.

TazFTW · 06-17-2006, 12:48 PM

No Johnson?

kingfc22 · 06-17-2006, 12:48 PM

Dempsey and Bocanegra starting.

No Eddie Johnson.

kingfc22 · 06-17-2006, 12:49 PM

Can these announcers stop talking about the US and goal differential. There is no way that the US is going to advance on G.D. They need a win over Italy.

Easy Mac · 06-17-2006, 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kingfc22

Can these announcers stop talking about the US and goal differential. There is no way that the US is going to advance on G.D. They need a win over Italy.

I think they're taking a win into account. Of course it doesn't matter if they lose.

MrBigglesworth · 06-17-2006, 12:51 PM

Are the Czechs going to be without all their strikers against Italy?

If the US can pull out a tie even, that would put them in a strong position.

ISiddiqui · 06-17-2006, 12:51 PM

Ghana WINS!!

And two great saves by Kingston at the end

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Easy Mac · 06-17-2006, 12:52 PM

Keller
Dolo-Pope-Gooch-Boca
Mastro-Reyna-Dempsey-Convey
Donovan
McBride

I can live with that, but I'd prefer an all out attack. Drop Mastroeni for Johnson. A 1-0 win would be nice, but it doesn't really do a lot for us if it happens.

kingfc22 · 06-17-2006, 12:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Easy Mac

I think they're taking a win into account. Of course it doesn't matter if they lose.

They keep reiterating the fact that no matter what happens today vs. Italy, the US will not be eliminated. Let's not sugar coat it. If we lose, we are done.

MrBigglesworth · 06-17-2006, 12:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Easy Mac

I think they're taking a win into account. Of course it doesn't matter if they lose.

Italy with 9 pts, and USA/Ghana/Czech with 3, is a very possible outcome.

kingfc22 · 06-17-2006, 12:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrBigglesworth

Italy with 9 pts, and USA/Ghana/Czech with 3, is a very possible outcome.

We would have to beat Ghana like 6-0 or something around there to advance.

ISiddiqui · 06-17-2006, 12:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Easy Mac

Keller
Dolo-Pope-Gooch-Boca
Mastro-Reyna-Dempsey-Convey
Donovan
McBride

I can live with that, but I'd prefer an all out attack. Drop Mastroeni for Johnson. A 1-0 win would be nice, but it doesn't really do a lot for us if it happens.

I wonder if perhaps Johnson isn't 90 mins fit? Maybe Arena is thinking of bringing him in at the half?

Easy Mac · 06-17-2006, 12:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kingfc22

They keep reiterating the fact that no matter what happens today vs. Italy, the US will not be eliminated. Let's not sugar coat it. If we lose, we are done.

Then obviously they're telling the truth. We can lose and still beat Ghana and hope to advance on goal difference. Wouldn't be the first time that's ever happened.

ISiddiqui · 06-17-2006, 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Easy Mac

Then obviously they're telling the truth. We can lose and still beat Ghana and hope to advance on goal difference. Wouldn't be the first time that's ever happened.

And then get destroyed by Brazil

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kingfc22 · 06-17-2006, 12:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Easy Mac

Then obviously they're telling the truth. We can lose and still beat Ghana and hope to advance on goal difference. Wouldn't be the first time that's ever happened.

If you think we can beat Ghana 6-0, then more power to ya.

Only Argentina has scored that amount so far and I don't think we are Argentina.

moriarty · 06-17-2006, 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrBigglesworth

If the US can pull out a tie even, that would put them in a strong position.

Yeah, I think the announcers keep forgetting this when they say we need a win vs. Italy. I'd happily take a tie (obviously I'd prefer a win but...).

I'd say it's fair based on the card situation that Italy will beat the Czechs. Then if we beat Ghana, we'd be sitting on 4 points with Czechs and Ghana on 3 ... unless I'm missing something.

MrBug708 · 06-17-2006, 01:17 PM

I've heard a rumor from a couple of places that says that South Africa wont be ready for the 2010 WC and that America is the backup plan for it. Anyone heard this before?

sovereignstar · 06-17-2006, 01:21 PM

ESPN just did a little piece on Dempsey. What's his game like (strengths/weaknesses)? What does he bring to the team?

Critch · 06-17-2006, 01:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrBug708

I've heard a rumor from a couple of places that says that South Africa wont be ready for the 2010 WC and that America is the backup plan for it. Anyone heard this before?

Rumor I heard was that South Africa won't be ready and Brazil is the backup plan.

Officially South Africa is more prepared than Germany was 4 years ago, so probably just a rumor. FIFA won't withdraw from South Africa unless they absolutely have to, that would be admitting they made a mistake and FIFA don't do that.

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06-17-2006, 11:59 AM	#1004
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06-17-2006, 12:23 PM	#1005
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06-17-2006, 12:24 PM	#1007
RendeR Coordinator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Buffalo, NY	Holy Crap!! So the czech's get saved on a terrible PK shot, but they have to play a man down because their player is an idiot?? WOW. __________________ http://wotlabs.net/s...8/signature.png http://wotlabs.net/sig_dark/na/banichi18/signature.png

06-17-2006, 12:24 PM	#1008
kingfc22 Head Coach Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Morgan Hill, CA	What a turn of events there. __________________ Fan of SF Giants, 49ers, Sharks, Arsenal

06-17-2006, 11:50 AM	#1001
Easy Mac Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Here	Well, look at it this way: Czechs win - 6 points, 1 less spot in the next round. Czechs lose - Ghana, Czech, Italy on 3 points. If we beat Italy, everything is almost even (depends on how much we beat Italy by to determine the goal difference). A tie v. Ghana and a strong win v. Italy (and an Italian Czech tie) could move us along Czechs tie - We'd still have to at least tie Italy and hopefully beat Ghana by a lot and hope that the Czechs and Italians don't play to a tie.

06-17-2006, 11:51 AM	#1002
Crapshoot Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Dec 2003	The commentator just announced that the Ghanian forward plays for Serie B in Italy sobs.

06-17-2006, 12:23 PM	#1006
Easy Mac Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Here	Off the post PK for Ghana. Wow, that could have nailed the coffin. Red card for Czechs... Wow, this team is imploding today.

06-17-2006, 12:24 PM	#1009
Crapshoot Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Dec 2003	Shit call - shit ref. For once, the commentators got the "football gods" bit right.

06-17-2006, 12:25 PM	#1010
MrBigglesworth College Starter Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: PA	Wow that was intense.

06-17-2006, 12:26 PM	#1011
RendeR Coordinator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Buffalo, NY	Yeah I've been very underwhelmed by this ref, he's terribly inconsistant. __________________ http://wotlabs.net/s...8/signature.png http://wotlabs.net/sig_dark/na/banichi18/signature.png

06-17-2006, 12:26 PM	#1012
illinifan999 Pro Rookie Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: VA	What just happened there? __________________ Chicago Eagles 2 time ZFL champions We're "rebuilding"

06-17-2006, 12:27 PM	#1013
Critch lolzcat Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Herndon, VA	Terrible refereeing and the Ghana players following him around waving their hands and demanding a red card was classless.

06-17-2006, 12:28 PM	#1014
kingfc22 Head Coach Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Morgan Hill, CA	The Czech are going to be without two starters due to cards and probably without Koller when they play Italy. __________________ Fan of SF Giants, 49ers, Sharks, Arsenal

06-17-2006, 12:28 PM	#1015
Crapshoot Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Dec 2003	Actually, now that I think bout it - the red card wasn't the ref's discretion. If you think there is a foul by the last man (ie, the last obstacle between the player and the goalkeeper ), its an automatic red-card if it is a "goal-scoring" opportunity - which it clearly was. The foul call was shit - but the red card wasn't really a choice.

06-17-2006, 12:32 PM	#1016
MrBigglesworth College Starter Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: PA	This is weird, I'm rooting for no more goals, but sort of rooting for Ghana to score because 2-0 is better than 1-1. Weird feeling.

06-17-2006, 12:35 PM	#1017
Neuqua Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago, Ill	The Czech goalie has saved this from being a blowout. __________________ Our Deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us. We ask ourselves, 'Who am I to be brilliant, gorgeous, talented, fabulous?' Actually, who are you not to be?

06-17-2006, 12:37 PM	#1019
Crapshoot Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Dec 2003	Cech is singlehandedly keeping the Czech's in the game.

06-17-2006, 12:38 PM	#1020
Crapshoot Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Dec 2003	Eh, Ghana's dropping back 9 men at this point - I don't see the Czech's scoring without a little magic.

06-17-2006, 12:39 PM	#1021
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	DAAAAAAAAAAAAMN

06-17-2006, 12:39 PM	#1022
TazFTW Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Honolulu, HI	Wow. __________________ "Teams don't want to make the trip anymore," says Hawaii coach June Jones. "They come here, we kick their ass, they go home." Fire Ron Lee.

06-17-2006, 12:39 PM	#1023
Neuqua Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago, Ill	That last goal looked like all the players were in slow motion. __________________ Our Deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us. We ask ourselves, 'Who am I to be brilliant, gorgeous, talented, fabulous?' Actually, who are you not to be?

06-17-2006, 12:39 PM	#1024
Easy Mac Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Here	OMFGhana 2-0 its ovah

06-17-2006, 12:40 PM	#1025
Critch lolzcat Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Herndon, VA	Czechs screwed again? Looked like there was an offside in the buildup there.

06-17-2006, 12:40 PM	#1026
ISiddiqui Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Decatur, GA	GHANA!!! Woooot!! What a great game . __________________ "A prayer for the wild at heart, kept in cages" -Tennessee Williams

06-17-2006, 12:41 PM	#1027
Crapshoot Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Dec 2003	This is interesting. Assuming a US loss to Italy, the Czech's will have to go gung ho against a tight Italian defense because they are tied with Ghana in points - while Ghana gets the Americans.

06-17-2006, 12:41 PM	#1028
tucker rocky Pro Rookie Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Of no particular interest	US lost to C.Republic? Ghana embarrassing C.Republic.

06-17-2006, 12:41 PM	#1029
terpkristin Grizzled Veteran Join Date: May 2003 Location: Ashburn, VA	That was a gorgeous goal. Wow, US really had better look sharp today and pull a win. /tk __________________ GO TERPS! https://www.flickr.com/photos/terpkristin https://twitter.com/terpkristin

06-17-2006, 12:43 PM	#1030
Crapshoot Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Dec 2003	The red card changed things though - the Czech's were forced to push people forward, down one man - and they got caught out. they haven't played well, but that was a huge factor .

06-17-2006, 12:45 PM	#1031
Crapshoot Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Dec 2003	http://football.guardian.co.uk/world...788308,00.html If you guys like the English commentary, I love the Guardian's minute by minute version - its hilarious. Last edited by Crapshoot : 06-17-2006 at 12:45 PM.

06-17-2006, 12:46 PM	#1032
Easy Mac Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Here	If Ghana had any idea how to make a run they'd be up Argentina style.

06-17-2006, 12:48 PM	#1033
TazFTW Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Honolulu, HI	No Johnson? __________________ "Teams don't want to make the trip anymore," says Hawaii coach June Jones. "They come here, we kick their ass, they go home." Fire Ron Lee.

06-17-2006, 12:48 PM	#1034
kingfc22 Head Coach Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Morgan Hill, CA	Dempsey and Bocanegra starting. No Eddie Johnson. __________________ Fan of SF Giants, 49ers, Sharks, Arsenal

06-17-2006, 12:49 PM	#1035
kingfc22 Head Coach Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Morgan Hill, CA	Can these announcers stop talking about the US and goal differential. There is no way that the US is going to advance on G.D. They need a win over Italy. __________________ Fan of SF Giants, 49ers, Sharks, Arsenal

06-17-2006, 12:51 PM	#1037
MrBigglesworth College Starter Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: PA	Are the Czechs going to be without all their strikers against Italy? If the US can pull out a tie even, that would put them in a strong position.