Werewolf XXXIII: To Crown a King 2 (Game Over) - Page 21

SnDvls · 09-29-2006, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by BrianD

That is a very good question. I'm not sure where that suggestion came from.

I also think part of this was a way to help him ID his faction members too as there seemed to be a lot of confusion on messages ect.
Since everyone in a faction knows the leader, but not anyone else it was to help clarify so info.
Just my thought on it.

Chief Rum · 09-29-2006, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by ntndeacon

Ok I am confused. In one of Blade's posts he mentioned that his faction leader told him to free Qwik and vote for Grey. Did he get such a post from somewhere (obviously not a faction leader as he was one) or was it a way to get us to act on his suspicions.

I think it's pretty clear Blade was being sneaky ins ome way, and not telling the truth about some things. I thought that from the second I saw he had been killed.

The point is, is there a role for that among nobles? Some reason? Maybe it was to help his faction? And remember how much he complained about not getting messages from his faction leader, and how he didn't who know who his faction members were? While I think the second is true (I don't think FLs know right away who is in their faction), basically the first was an out and out lie that he promoted for a couple days.

So was Blade playing some kind of noble role? Or was he trying to set up himself as king? Or was he just being sneaky, sly Blade because he can't pull himself out of that mode when he happens to be good?

Mr. Wednesday · 09-29-2006, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by ntndeacon

Ok I am confused. In one of Blade's posts he mentioned that his faction leader told him to free Qwik and vote for Grey. Did he get such a post from somewhere (obviously not a faction leader as he was one) or was it a way to get us to act on his suspicions.

I think it's transparently obvious that he was making it up. Part of that is playing at being rank and file, rather than the leader, but I'm not entirely sure of what game he was playing from the point of view of grand strategy.

It's a little early yet to be playing faction games... he may just have been playing a (spectacularly wrong) hunch about who is and is not an assassin.

SnDvls · 09-29-2006, 03:12 PM

vote jail king

this is where I was yesterday so I'll go back this way.
I don't have him linked to anyone so it makes me wonder
about him.

BrianD · 09-29-2006, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by SnDvls

vote jail king

this is where I was yesterday so I'll go back this way.
I don't have him linked to anyone so it makes me wonder
about him.

I was wondering about him as well, but he voted to free Bullet and to execute Qwik. Considering his missed the first vote, he voted 2 "right" votes out of 3. That seems like a little much if he is bad.

Chief Rum · 09-29-2006, 03:16 PM

Mr. W, you are linked with cronin (even if you're not sure about him), and he has more or less come out and vouched for rgey. Do you have an opinion on grey?

Chief Rum · 09-29-2006, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by BrianD

I was wondering about him as well, but he voted to free Bullet and to execute Qwik. Considering his missed the first vote, he voted 2 "right" votes out of 3. That seems like a little much if he is bad.

When did he vote, though? Both of those votes were foregone conclusions at some point well before deadline.

Mr. Wednesday · 09-29-2006, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Mr. W, you are linked with cronin (even if you're not sure about him), and he has more or less come out and vouched for rgey. Do you have an opinion on grey?

I have nothing I care to add on top of my voting record.

BrianD · 09-29-2006, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Rum

When did he vote, though? Both of those votes were foregone conclusions at some point well before deadline.

True, but unlike other games, there are still point totals to worry about. He could have voted somewhere else to save the points since the results were already decided. I could see one "wrong" (for him) vote just to look good, but two?

Chief Rum · 09-29-2006, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Wednesday

I have nothing I care to add on top of my voting record.

So you won't vouch for him?

Good enough for me.

VOTE JAIL GREYROOFOO

Fouts · 09-29-2006, 03:46 PM

Alright, I'm caught up now.

This message is to my faction leader - I received no message last night, our communications may have been intercepted.

Blade was not my faction leader. I'm not sure if he was trying to pass a message about how to vote, or a (converted) member of his faction was pushing to free qwik, and he wouldn't follow.

Fouts · 09-29-2006, 03:49 PM

People I don't have grouped with others - Lathum, WVU, NTN, Grey.

I'm also suspect of st. cronin's faction. Something doesn't sit right. They all used the word strange (which I thought to be an indicator), but then cronin asked for people to use the first letter of the first message, and DC came back with a message that did not contain an S. So I'm not sure I trust that faction.

Chief Rum · 09-29-2006, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Fouts

Alright, I'm caught up now.

This message is to my faction leader - I received no message last night, our communications may have been intercepted.

Blade was not my faction leader. I'm not sure if he was trying to pass a message about how to vote, or a (converted) member of his faction was pushing to free qwik, and he wouldn't follow.

That whole intercepted thing is something I have been wondering about. The rules seem to indicate that assassins can "eavesdrop", but not stop the message.

If you did not receive a message from your leader and he was not Blade, it's possible something else happened (perhaps even he didn't have anything to say).

Barkeep, do I have that right? If the assassins can hear a message, does that necessarily mean it isn't still delivered?

Fouts · 09-29-2006, 03:56 PM

Alright, going to get my vote in and see what happens.

vote free LSG

vote jail NTN

BrianD · 09-29-2006, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Fouts

Alright, I'm caught up now.

This message is to my faction leader - I received no message last night, our communications may have been intercepted.

Blade was not my faction leader. I'm not sure if he was trying to pass a message about how to vote, or a (converted) member of his faction was pushing to free qwik, and he wouldn't follow.

Is this the first time that has happened to you?

Fouts · 09-29-2006, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Rum

That whole intercepted thing is something I have been wondering about. The rules seem to indicate that assassins can "eavesdrop", but not stop the message.

If you did not receive a message from your leader and he was not Blade, it's possible something else happened (perhaps even he didn't have anything to say).

Barkeep, do I have that right? If the assassins can hear a message, does that necessarily mean it isn't still delivered?

You might be right. It is possible my leader didn't send anything, but BK said that those that started as Leaders are not fast talking nobles. So I don't think he is converted.

Fouts · 09-29-2006, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by BrianD

Is this the first time that has happened to you?

Yes, normally my messages were very intricate.

BrianD · 09-29-2006, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Fouts

Yes, normally my messages were very intricate.

And this time you got no message at all?

Fouts · 09-29-2006, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by BrianD

And this time you got no message at all?

No, I got a message that there was no message.

kingfc22 · 09-29-2006, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by BrianD

The rest of us are going to have to step up and shoulder the load.

I should have some free time tonight to work up some scenarios now that we know Blade was a leader. I'm on lunch right now and will only be on for another 20 minutes or so.

Mr. Wednesday · 09-29-2006, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Fouts

People I don't have grouped with others - Lathum, WVU, NTN, Grey.

I'm also suspect of st. cronin's faction. Something doesn't sit right. They all used the word strange (which I thought to be an indicator), but then cronin asked for people to use the first letter of the first message, and DC came back with a message that did not contain an S. So I'm not sure I trust that faction.

There was actually more to it than just the word strange. And DC's reply to st.c confused me mightily... not to mention, she's now gone completely AWOL and notwithstanding Schmidty's supposed appearance today (or was it after today?) that position remains unfilled.

Mr. Wednesday · 09-29-2006, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Fouts

People I don't have grouped with others - Lathum, WVU, NTN, Grey.

I'm curious, who do you have RealDeal grouped with? SnDvls has now aligned with LSG, very obviously.

One thing that Blade did that was actually pretty sharp was to go front and center, and not try to blend into the background like we might expect a faction leader to do.

Mr. Wednesday · 09-29-2006, 04:16 PM

I'm making this a separate post because it's separate from my previous thoughts. I'm a bit concerned: so far, there's been not hide nor nair of greyroofoo since midway through yesterday -- including a no jail vote when he was on the block for going to jail. Is he still with us, or do we need yet another replacement?

BrianD · 09-29-2006, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Fouts

No, I got a message that there was no message.

That is odd because I got the same thing and I know you aren't in my faction.

BrianD · 09-29-2006, 04:19 PM

dola,

Blade was not my leader either.

kingfc22 · 09-29-2006, 04:19 PM

I know that at least 2 people should be able to vouch for me, but I will not ask them to at this time.

Vote No Execute

LSG is not on my team and why would I want to free her so that she can earn points for her faction. I would hope other factions would do the same if they want to get ahead in crowning their leader as king. Just my opinion on what kind of strategy we should go forward with.

Jail WVUFAN

He has been all over the place with his votes and if it is going to be between him or me, then I rather it would be him.

Fouts · 09-29-2006, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Wednesday

I'm curious, who do you have RealDeal grouped with? SnDvls has now aligned with LSG, very obviously.

One thing that Blade did that was actually pretty sharp was to go front and center, and not try to blend into the background like we might expect a faction leader to do.

I'm not sure how sharp that was since it got him killed. I do have RealDeal aligned with a faction.

Does anyone have Lathum, WVU, NTN, or Grey aligned with a faction?

Fouts · 09-29-2006, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by BrianD

That is odd because I got the same thing and I know you aren't in my faction.

Did any faction get a message last night?

Fouts · 09-29-2006, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by kingfc22

LSG is not on my team and why would I want to free her so that she can earn points for her faction. I would hope other factions would do the same if they want to get ahead in crowning their leader as king. Just my opinion on what kind of strategy we should go forward with.

Good point. I know her faction earned a lot of points yesterday.

kingfc22 · 09-29-2006, 04:31 PM

Well, I have to get back to work now.

Let's nab another one!

LoneStarGirl · 09-29-2006, 04:41 PM

Thanks for the Vouch SnDVLs. I was hoping you or the other person would stand up for me. Since I can't vote tonight I dont know how often I'll be checking in until late.

LoneStarGirl · 09-29-2006, 04:42 PM

Oh and I couldn't find the thread that mentioned it, but what was said about a Sister Faction? What does that mean?

Fouts · 09-29-2006, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by LoneStarGirl

Oh and I couldn't find the thread that mentioned it, but what was said about a Sister Faction? What does that mean?

There have been some mentions of tolerated factions, but I haven't a clue where this fits into the game.

Fouts · 09-29-2006, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Basing this off of hoops' suspicions, because hoops was good.

Clear for now: BrianD, Blade, Cronin, MrW, Bulletsponge, Fouts, Dodgerchick

I am clearing myself, of course, and the members of my faction.

I have reasonable trust in LSG, Anxiety, SnDvls, Lathum

I agree with everyone in this list, except Lathum. Can you point out a post that clears Lathum?

WVUFAN · 09-29-2006, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by kingfc22

I
Jail WVUFAN

He has been all over the place with his votes and if it is going to be between him or me, then I rather it would be him.

I've only voted twice, so I'm not sure if you would call that "all over the place". But, hey, whatever floats your vote.

Chief Rum · 09-29-2006, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Fouts

I agree with everyone in this list, except Lathum. Can you point out a post that clears Lathum?

Just a gut call, based on how he is posting and some of the insights he has provided on points. I don't think assassins would be wanting to help us discern info from the points.

But, as I said, he is on a loose rope with me. I have a hunch but nothing more, and it wouldn't take a big negative action/implication to remove that benefit with me.

SnDvls · 09-29-2006, 05:21 PM

BK- I'm okay with the schedule too

Mr. Wednesday · 09-29-2006, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Fouts

There have been some mentions of tolerated factions, but I haven't a clue where this fits into the game.

I think the main point of it is to put a check on us cooperating too much on points, fellow faction members, leaders.

Mr. Wednesday · 09-29-2006, 05:31 PM

I may not be back before the deadline tonight. I'm satisfied with my votes as they stand right now, but if something comes up, I may not be able to change them.

st.cronin · 09-29-2006, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Fouts

No, I got a message that there was no message.

I recieved the same message.

st.cronin · 09-29-2006, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Wednesday

I think it's transparently obvious that he was making it up. Part of that is playing at being rank and file, rather than the leader, but I'm not entirely sure of what game he was playing from the point of view of grand strategy.

It's a little early yet to be playing faction games... he may just have been playing a (spectacularly wrong) hunch about who is and is not an assassin.

I strongly disagree with this. I would bet my house that some people have been playing faction games since Day 1. Including, probably, my own faction.

st.cronin · 09-29-2006, 05:39 PM

dola dola

Anybody have a vote count?

ntndeacon · 09-29-2006, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

dola dola

Anybody have a vote count?

I do but Idont have the post #s for it
Free Lonestar: cronin, SnDvls, ntn,bullet,Anxiety,Chief, BrianD, Fouts

No Execute: Mr. Wed., Lathum, Real, King

Execute: WVU

And For Jailing---
King: Lathum, Real, SnDvls
NTN:Mr. Wed, Fouts
WVU:Brian, King
Anxiety: Cronin
Lathum: WVU
Grey: Chief

and that is all the votes I saw.

WVUFAN · 09-29-2006, 05:57 PM

When is the voting deadline tonight?

ntndeacon · 09-29-2006, 06:08 PM

I think it is at 9:30 eastern time

Barkeep49 · 09-29-2006, 06:30 PM

Yup two hours.

Fouts · 09-29-2006, 06:34 PM

Pretty quiet today. Nobody is vouching for anyone on the block, so I guess everyone is happy with where we stand.

Barkeep49 · 09-29-2006, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by ntndeacon

I do but Idont have the post #s for it
Free Lonestar: cronin, SnDvls, ntn,bullet,Anxiety,Chief, BrianD, Fouts

No Execute: Mr. Wed., Lathum, Real, King

Execute: WVU

And For Jailing---
King: Lathum, Real, SnDvls
NTN:Mr. Wed, Fouts
WVU:Brian, King
Anxiety: Cronin
Lathum: WVU
Grey: Chief

and that is all the votes I saw.

This vote count is correct. Just would add that for the execution we have no votes from:
Greyroofoo & Schmdity

For Jail we have no votes from:
Anxiety, Bullet, Grey, ntn, and Schmidty

Schmidty · 09-29-2006, 06:47 PM

Ok, I'm here, and will do my best to make a semi-informed decision.

bulletsponge · 09-29-2006, 06:57 PM

i voted to free whatsherface. can i vote to jail someone at tyhe same time?

09-29-2006, 03:16 PM	#1006
Chief Rum Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Where Hip Hop lives	Mr. W, you are linked with cronin (even if you're not sure about him), and he has more or less come out and vouched for rgey. Do you have an opinion on grey? __________________ . . I would rather be wrong...Than live in the shadows of your song...My mind is open wide...And now I'm ready to start...You're not sure...You open the door...And step out into the dark...Now I'm ready.

09-29-2006, 04:16 PM	#1023
Mr. Wednesday Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: South Bend, IN	I'm making this a separate post because it's separate from my previous thoughts. I'm a bit concerned: so far, there's been not hide nor nair of greyroofoo since midway through yesterday -- including a no jail vote when he was on the block for going to jail. Is he still with us, or do we need yet another replacement? __________________ Hattrick - Brays Bayou FC (70854) / USA III.4 Hockey Arena - Houston Aeros / USA II.1 Thanks to my FOFC Hattrick supporters - Blackout, Brillig, kingfc22, RPI-fan, Rich1033, antbacker, One_to7, ur_land, KevinNU7, and TonyR (PM me if you support me and I've missed you)

09-29-2006, 04:19 PM	#1026
kingfc22 Head Coach Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Morgan Hill, CA	I know that at least 2 people should be able to vouch for me, but I will not ask them to at this time. Vote No Execute LSG is not on my team and why would I want to free her so that she can earn points for her faction. I would hope other factions would do the same if they want to get ahead in crowning their leader as king. Just my opinion on what kind of strategy we should go forward with. Jail WVUFAN He has been all over the place with his votes and if it is going to be between him or me, then I rather it would be him. __________________ Fan of SF Giants, 49ers, Sharks, Arsenal

09-29-2006, 04:31 PM	#1030
kingfc22 Head Coach Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Morgan Hill, CA	Well, I have to get back to work now. Let's nab another one! __________________ Fan of SF Giants, 49ers, Sharks, Arsenal

09-29-2006, 05:31 PM	#1039
Mr. Wednesday Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: South Bend, IN	I may not be back before the deadline tonight. I'm satisfied with my votes as they stand right now, but if something comes up, I may not be able to change them. __________________ Hattrick - Brays Bayou FC (70854) / USA III.4 Hockey Arena - Houston Aeros / USA II.1 Thanks to my FOFC Hattrick supporters - Blackout, Brillig, kingfc22, RPI-fan, Rich1033, antbacker, One_to7, ur_land, KevinNU7, and TonyR (PM me if you support me and I've missed you)

09-29-2006, 03:12 PM	#1004
SnDvls Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2001	vote jail king this is where I was yesterday so I'll go back this way. I don't have him linked to anyone so it makes me wonder about him.

09-29-2006, 03:46 PM	#1011
Fouts College Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: California	Alright, I'm caught up now. This message is to my faction leader - I received no message last night, our communications may have been intercepted. Blade was not my faction leader. I'm not sure if he was trying to pass a message about how to vote, or a (converted) member of his faction was pushing to free qwik, and he wouldn't follow.

09-29-2006, 03:49 PM	#1012
Fouts College Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: California	People I don't have grouped with others - Lathum, WVU, NTN, Grey. I'm also suspect of st. cronin's faction. Something doesn't sit right. They all used the word strange (which I thought to be an indicator), but then cronin asked for people to use the first letter of the first message, and DC came back with a message that did not contain an S. So I'm not sure I trust that faction.

09-29-2006, 03:56 PM	#1014
Fouts College Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: California	Alright, going to get my vote in and see what happens. vote free LSG vote jail NTN

09-29-2006, 04:19 PM	#1025
BrianD Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Appleton, WI	dola, Blade was not my leader either.

09-29-2006, 04:41 PM	#1031
LoneStarGirl College Starter Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Little Rock, AR	Thanks for the Vouch SnDVLs. I was hoping you or the other person would stand up for me. Since I can't vote tonight I dont know how often I'll be checking in until late.

09-29-2006, 04:42 PM	#1032
LoneStarGirl College Starter Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Little Rock, AR	Oh and I couldn't find the thread that mentioned it, but what was said about a Sister Faction? What does that mean?

09-29-2006, 05:21 PM	#1037
SnDvls Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2001	BK- I'm okay with the schedule too

09-29-2006, 05:39 PM	#1042
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	dola dola Anybody have a vote count? __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

09-29-2006, 05:57 PM	#1044
WVUFAN College Starter Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Huntington, WV	When is the voting deadline tonight? __________________

09-29-2006, 06:08 PM	#1045
ntndeacon Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Alabama	I think it is at 9:30 eastern time

09-29-2006, 06:30 PM	#1046
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	Yup two hours.

09-29-2006, 06:34 PM	#1047
Fouts College Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: California	Pretty quiet today. Nobody is vouching for anyone on the block, so I guess everyone is happy with where we stand.

09-29-2006, 06:47 PM	#1049
Schmidty Coordinator Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Early, TX	Ok, I'm here, and will do my best to make a semi-informed decision.

09-29-2006, 06:57 PM	#1050
bulletsponge Pro Starter Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: TX	i voted to free whatsherface. can i vote to jail someone at tyhe same time?

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