Werewolf L Kate Beckinsale - day 7, deadline Thursday 10pm Eastern Time

[Lathum]

not to be a jerk Ant, but you shouldn't post in the same color as the games GM

[DaddyTorgo]

whoops. In all honesty I forgot that about cartman. Makes me wonder about tangle though...

UNVOTE CARTMAN

[tanglewood]

Originally Posted by path12

Interesting analysis. But how do you square that with Alan seeing player X visit and take something from Cartman night 2?

If he had come up a wolf, whoever viewed him would likely have stated it by now.

That is true, I had forgotten about that.

Of course it could have been the Mad Scientist who took it, so he could have been converted. But yes, it seems more likely that it was the Good Scientist who did so.

Unvote Cartman

At least for now.

[Gonzo]

UNVOTE OLLIEGIRL
VOTE ANTMIESTER

I'm not sure I feel comfortable voting for someone over a mistake that wasn't their doing, now that Dodgerchick's been subbed out.

Antmiester doesn't seem willing to defend himself. Furthermore Chief Rum voted for him on day one, which is a known ploy for wolves to vote for each other on the first day, and then point back to it when under pressure. And apart from that post he just made, he hasn't done much this game either.

[DaddyTorgo]

schmidty...remember that alan saw someone (presumably the good scientist) visit cartman and take something that had dna on it. If cartman was evil we'd likely see the scientist making more of a push towards him. Although i'm not discounting that say...tangle might be the scientist and this is his way of pressing without revealing.

[Antmeister]

Gotta go with Barkeep49 again:

Vote Barkeep49

[Gonzo]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

schmidty...remember that alan saw someone (presumably the good scientist) visit cartman and take something that had dna on it.

Problem is that it might just have easily been the Mad Scientist taking DNA to convert Cartman. I'm not saying that it's true, but I am saying that we shouldn't assume Cartman is 100% good.

[Antmeister]

Originally Posted by Gonzo

UNVOTE OLLIEGIRL
VOTE ANTMIESTER

I'm not sure I feel comfortable voting for someone over a mistake that wasn't their doing, now that Dodgerchick's been subbed out.

Antmiester doesn't seem willing to defend himself. Furthermore Chief Rum voted for him on day one, which is a known ploy for wolves to vote for each other on the first day, and then point back to it when under pressure. And apart from that post he just made, he hasn't done much this game either.

That's interesting because I never voted for him. I was suspicious of him. And I guess you are purposely missing my long post above.

[Schmidty]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

schmidty...remember that alan saw someone (presumably the good scientist) visit cartman and take something that had dna on it. If cartman was evil we'd likely see the scientist making more of a push towards him. Although i'm not discounting that say...tangle might be the scientist and this is his way of pressing without revealing.

I had to look back just now, but I realize that now. Because of that, and the fact that I'm just not sold on Antmeister:

Unvote cartman
Vote tanglewood

As per usual, subject to change, but I just think the push toward Ant is flimsy at best.

[DaddyTorgo]

not too much to go on tonight again

[DaddyTorgo]

that's an odd vote by ant that's for sure

[Antmeister]

Originally Posted by Lathum

not to be a jerk Ant, but you shouldn't post in the same color as the games GM

Didn't think about that, but I can't change it now.

[Gonzo]

Originally Posted by Antmeister

That's interesting because I never voted for him. I was suspicious of him.

What I was saying is that he voted for you.

I don't understand people going after Barkeep, wasn't he the person who came up with the idea that Chief Rum was a wolf beacuse Alan T blacked out after following him?

[path12]

Might as well toss one of these together. My offhand observations of those still in the game (non-researched except as noted):

1. JHandley
2. path12 -- As usual, filled with wisdom, charm and good looks.
3. LoneStarGirl -- seems typical LSG
4. Antmeister -- first game, flip flops some (I think that's normal 1st game)
6. Telle -- quieter than last game.
7. DaddyTorgo -- looked back through all his posts, was suspicious, not so much now.
8. RendeR -- looked back through all his posts, was suspicious, not so much now.
9. Barkeep49 -- sure got quieter after Alan/Chief gone. Leaned good, but that's interesting.
10. cartman -- Alan saw X take something. Leaning good for now.
11. Schmidty -- Actually more vocal than usual. Might mean something.
15. KWhit -- I need to look at his posts more closely.
16. Gonzo -- BGG style? Gonzo, is that where you're from?
17. Neon Chaos -- villager vibe. Don't agree with weekend rush. Watching though.
18. Tanglewood -- day 2 vote stands out. Very helpful. Pinging my radar hard.
19. Dodgerchick - replaced by oliegirl day 4 -- no read at all.

FWIW. Which is likely nothing.

[path12]

Oops -- forgot to put something for JHandley. No read at all. I need to look at his posts.

[Gonzo]

Originally Posted by path12

16. Gonzo -- BGG style? Gonzo, is that where you're from?

erm...yes?

[tanglewood]

Trying to do a kind of 'Heat Factor' or something.

NAME - TIMES VOTED FOR - POSTS - POSTS/VOTES

Antmeister	10	9	0.9
Neon	12	30	2.5
RendeR	11	39	3.55
Tangle	12	60	5
Chief Rum	10	53	5.3
JE	6	32	5.33
Cartman	3	24	8
Barkeep	10	99	9.9
Alan T	8	114	14.25
Telle	2	47	23.5
DC / OG	1	24	24
Gonzo	2	48	24
Lathum	1	41	41
Path12	1	70	70
DaddyT	1	71	71
Jhandley	0	59	~
LSG	0	62	~
Kwhit	0	65	~
Schmidty	0	20	~

Updated to Antmeister's vote for Barkeep

Well, at least it's amusing myself I guess...

[cartman]

So, how do the votes stack up, has anyone been keeping track. At one point, it looks like I was gonna be lynched running away, and now I think I don't have any votes.

Any guesses yet as to the X is who Alan saw take my hankie?

[path12]

Originally Posted by Gonzo

erm...yes?

I meant, have you played most of your WW at BGG (BoardGameGeek). I played a ton there when I was crash course learning the game.

[Gonzo]

Originally Posted by path12

I meant, have you played most of your WW at BGG (BoardGameGeek). I played a ton there when I was crash course learning the game.

Nope, never been there.

[tanglewood]

Originally Posted by cartman

So, how do the votes stack up, has anyone been keeping track. At one point, it looks like I was gonna be lynched running away, and now I think I don't have any votes.

Any guesses yet as to the X is who Alan saw take my hankie?

Currently it is Ant 7 / Gonzo 2 / Barkeep 1 / Tangle 1

The highest it got on you was Ant 6 / Car 3 / Gonzo 2, so I think it's exaggerating to say you were gonna be lynched running away.

[Antmeister]

Originally Posted by Gonzo

What I was saying is that he voted for you.

I don't understand people going after Barkeep, wasn't he the person who came up with the idea that Chief Rum was a wolf beacuse Alan T blacked out after following him?

Well Barkeep is also the person who wrote this:

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Another vote or two for me and I'd switch to Neon out of self preservation. At this point, I am tempted to argue that Lathum's full throated agreement with Alan about Alan being good leads me to think that Lathum is more likely evil now, though I still think Alan is a threat to us down the road.

Lathum and Alan are gone now. He's was either bad at reading the situation or he was trying to set up people later on.

[Gonzo]

Originally Posted by Antmeister

He's was either bad at reading the situation

Bingo.

Considering he effectively bagged us a wolf, I'm not sure lynching him for misreading Alan (something I did too) is the right way to go.

[Telle]

Here's what I've got:

7 - Antmeister - Neon Chaos, RendeR, JHandley, KWhit, cartman, Oliegirl, Gonzo
2 - Gonzo - LoneStarGirl, Telle
2 - Tanglewood - path12, Schmidty
1 - Barkeep49 - Antmeister

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by path12

I meant, have you played most of your WW at BGG (BoardGameGeek). I played a ton there when I was crash course learning the game.

I should take a crash course to learn this game there too..


err nvm, ignore me

[path12]

Originally Posted by Alan T

I should take a crash course to learn this game there too..


err nvm, ignore me

Ha. Whatever. Everyone aspires to be Alan T.

[path12]

Besides, you were the sole Survivor.

[path12]

Originally Posted by Antmeister

Lathum and Alan are gone now. He's was either bad at reading the situation or he was trying to set up people later on.

I can understand why you're coming up with Barkeep, but I think that the fact he was instrumental in lynching CR gets him at least a day reprieve to be checked out.

[path12]

For the quad dola. I'm third in posts? I need to shut up.

[RendeR]

I'm going to give Antmeister the benefit of a doubt right now. His long post is pinging something in the back of my mind that i can't quite nail down.

UNVOTE ANTMEISTER

The other things thats got my senses tingling has been Gonzo. A relative unknown playing here for the first time, tossing out posts that at times seem almost...semi-concsious. Other people's logic has given me reason to trust a few players, my guts are screaming "wolf" for only one though. I wish I could put my finger on exactly why...

VOTE GONZO

[DaddyTorgo]

I dunno. Maybe I vote tangle I guess? he seems to have been high on everyone's list but is now slipping away, and that's often a place we discover a wolf...

[RendeR]

6 - Antmeister - Neon Chaos, JHandley, KWhit, cartman, Oliegirl, Gonzo
3 - Gonzo - LoneStarGirl, Telle, RendeR
2 - Tanglewood - path12, Schmidty
1 - Barkeep49 - Antmeister

[Gonzo]

Originally Posted by RendeR

The other things thats got my senses tingling has been Gonzo. A relative unknown playing here for the first time, tossing out posts that at times seem almost...semi-concsious.

Semi-concsious? What's that supposed to mean? You're voting for be because of my posting style?

[tanglewood]

I am considering voting Gonzo too. If only because I don't think Antmeister is a wolf and he seems the most likely candidate to overhaul him. I was going to say that if Ant was a wolf we'd likely see some attempt to move another candidate up alongside him, but with Render voting just now for Gonzo, I can hardly say that now as if I make it 7-4 then that's exactly what it looks like happening.

Vote Gonzo

Still going to do it though.

Another player I am going to go back and look at now is LoneStarGirl who has an interesting vote record also. I am also not 100% putting Cartman down as good. It could have been the Mad Scientist rather than the Good Scientist who saw him night 1, but I won't vote for him today nor tomorrow I imagine.

[Antmeister]

Originally Posted by Alan T

Still trying to mislead people? Please show me any place I could have voted that would have changed the outcome.

Looks like gonso is your wolf buddy too

Originally Posted by Gonzo

Your logic is "I'm good, it would be stupid to lynch me"?

I feel that we should lynch you because you're likely turning into a werewolf, even if you're unaware of it.

Originally Posted by path12

I can understand why you're coming up with Barkeep, but I think that the fact he was instrumental in lynching CR gets him at least a day reprieve to be checked out.

No...I get that. I don't think he meant to throw that charge. I believe that was possibly a throw away vote that got out of hand and he got a wolf killed. Chief Rum was not really on anyone's radar at that time. I could be wrong, of course, but it is either him or LSG. And there just seems to be a lot of protecting for Barkeep by Cheif Rum. Also Gonzo has this bad habit of defending him, even harking back when AlanT was thinking Barkeep was wolfish. So he is another suspect, but not as strong as LSG and Barkeep.

[Gonzo]

Originally Posted by tanglewood

I was going to say that if Ant was a wolf we'd likely see some attempt to move another candidate up alongside him

...

[Antmeister]

Hope I am right on this guy.

UNVOTE BARKEEP49
VOTE GONZO

[Gonzo]

Originally Posted by Antmeister

Also Gonzo has this bad habit of defending him, even harking back when AlanT was thinking Barkeep was wolfish. So he is another suspect, but not as strong as LSG and Barkeep.

Yes. How dare I defend someone else who gave us Chief Rum. I'm obviously a wolf.

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by Gonzo

Semi-concsious? What's that supposed to mean? You're voting for be because of my posting style?

Its not a style so much as a feeling of disjointedness every time you post. its like every time i read a post from you it gives me the feeling of a little kid trying to not get in trouble with mom n dad and being very careful of what they say.

Again, I'm just trying to feel out this instinct I have that tells me your more than you seem.

Like i said above, others have given logical reasons for others, I can't find logic in this, but if I were a cat my hackles would be up every time you post. I can't explain it.

[JHandley]

This game cracks me up. 8 frigging hours today of watching air and now in the last hour and a half, the board explodes with accusations.

Going to go back to get an up-to-date vote count.

[tanglewood]

Originally Posted by JHandley

This game cracks me up. 8 frigging hours today of watching air and now in the last hour and a half, the board explodes with accusations.

Going to go back to get an up-to-date vote count.

Ant 6 / Gon 4 / BK 1 / TW 1

[LoneStarGirl]

Originally Posted by path12

Might as well toss one of these together. My offhand observations of those still in the game (non-researched except as noted):


2. path12 -- As usual, filled with wisdom, charm and good looks.

That is hilarious

[Antmeister]

Originally Posted by Gonzo

Yes. How dare I defend someone else who gave us Chief Rum. I'm obviously a wolf.

....and you and Barkeep double team AlanT way before Chief Rum, which seemed odd. It's like you guys are a tag team.

[LoneStarGirl]

Well this day was slow compared to yesterday. I do not see a reason to change my vote, so it will stand as is. I need to take a shower and eat dinner and I will be on later... after lynch

[DaddyTorgo]

blah. I really don't have any idea of who to vote for at this point.

i'm not sold on gonzo, although he is pinging. Ditto with tangle, although he is being VERY helpful all of a sudden. Maybe too helpful?

sure...we'll go there

VOTE TANGLEWOOD

open to change and quite likely will change

[Gonzo]

Originally Posted by Antmeister

....and you and Barkeep double team AlanT way before Chief Rum, which seemed odd. It's like you guys are a tag team.

Not really.

My reason for voting for Alan T early on was because I felt that the PM he revealed where he blacked out during the night was a kind of slow conversion process. Barkeep's reasoning was more to do with Alan's votes during the previous two days.

[path12]

Originally Posted by Antmeister

No...I get that. I don't think he meant to throw that charge. I believe that was possibly a throw away vote that got out of hand and he got a wolf killed. Chief Rum was not really on anyone's radar at that time. I could be wrong, of course, but it is either him or LSG. And there just seems to be a lot of protecting for Barkeep by Cheif Rum. Also Gonzo has this bad habit of defending him, even harking back when AlanT was thinking Barkeep was wolfish. So he is another suspect, but not as strong as LSG and Barkeep.

Oh, I disagree with you there. I found the CR thing very strange when Alan revealed his PM. There were some comments from myself, BK and someone else I can't think of offhand about it. I know I was ready to jump that way. If he was a wolf he knew better than that.

[JHandley]

Originally Posted by tanglewood

Ant 6 / Gon 4 / BK 1 / TW 1

Thank ya.

I'm not willing to move my vote and create another no lynch. I liked my reasons for Antmeister.

I checked with Cronin about it, and he told me that the information gained out of the "incident" can be used to form opinions. At some point we're going to have to deal with Oliegirl/DC. She clearly has a role, she clearly believed herself to be a wolf and she clearly believed Tangle, Gonzo and Neon to be wolves.

We know Chief was a wolf, so obviously her information was sketchy at best, but what role could she possibly have that doesn't make her a wolf?

[path12]

Originally Posted by JHandley

Thank ya.

I'm not willing to move my vote and create another no lynch. I liked my reasons for Antmeister.

I checked with Cronin about it, and he told me that the information gained out of the "incident" can be used to form opinions. At some point we're going to have to deal with Oliegirl/DC. She clearly has a role, she clearly believed herself to be a wolf and she clearly believed Tangle, Gonzo and Neon to be wolves.

We know Chief was a wolf, so obviously her information was sketchy at best, but what role could she possibly have that doesn't make her a wolf?

Why don't we have our wolf seer check her tonight? I'd think that would be a fairly obvious call.

[DaddyTorgo]

I don't think she necessarily had a role. I too had a PM that was sent to a group, and said something to the effect of "if you don't get another PM you're a villager," and yet as I PMed DC after, I almost did the same thing and thought I was a wolf.