WW LXVII -- The Return of Divination Nation! (GAME OVER STUDENTS WIN!!!)

[nfg22]

Lathum....Why is everything that doesnt go your way a protection against me?

[saldana]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

saldana: I think you present an interesting argument against nfg. By far the best I've seen today. If we weren't past deadline I'd have to give this further thought.

yeah...i am glad i didnt post it all 2 hours ago

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by Lathum

maybe he is protecting NFG22?

He sure seems like he's protecting somebody, that's for sure.

[nfg22]

Maybe Lathum isnt a wolf, but neither am i. I just know we figure out alot by killing him

[saldana]

Originally Posted by path12

Anyone got a vote count? I'm still on page 18.....

lathum goes...8 to 7

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by saldana

yeah...i am glad i didnt post it all 2 hours ago

You did, you did, but there has been a lot going on in the thread and, as stated before, I focused more on points 1 & 2 where I just disagreed with you and didn't give proper consideration to points 3&4 where you were stronger.

[saldana]

regardless of the vote outcome, i think we need to scan

NFG
Chief Rum (for the BK vote)
Dodgerchick
Barkeep (4 scans one way is an anomoly)

i think we should maintain our four groups from night 1.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Lathum

I am now going to bow out of this game. I learned after the first one there is no point.

Once I return villager tonight look at DC and nfg22 as well as Render, NTN and ChiefRum.

Originally Posted by Lathum

dola- I was also against his plan because I said it would be to easy for the wolves to manipulat it, which is exactly what has happened.

Originally Posted by Lathum

ok, I'm out after this for a while anyway.

I STRONGLY SUGGEST you come up with a plan for what you want to do when I come back villager tonight so you aren't scrambling at the deadline when half the people playing won't be available. It's going to be important for the night scans tonight to be organized.

I could show 10 reasons why I am not a wolf, but I realize how pointless it really is going to be.

Originally Posted by Lathum

I meant I am not going to sink a ton of time and energy in my defense. Last incarnation of this game 2 people scanned me wolf the same night and I got lynched and I was a villager that game as well.

You know as well as I do what happens when mob mentality takes over. 3 people have claimed to have scanned me as a wolf, my odds of succesfully defending myself eventhough there is convincing evidence is slim to none. People are going to need an excuse to lynch someone.

Originally Posted by Lathum

there is no point because at the end of the day people need a reason to vote.

3 wolf scans vs. 1 villager scan is a pretty good reason.

Originally Posted by Lathum

I don't want to be lynched, but at the end of the day who is going to emerge as a better candidate.

I have never been more annoyed during a werewolf game then I am right now. I said at 9:00 this morning I had no shot and even though I tried to be honest and helpfull I knew what would happen in the end.

I said all I was doing was wasting my time. Thanks for proving me correct.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

That is really weak. You're ducking a close vote and not even voting for some 3rd party you believe to be guilty. If I was on the block voting for me for data poitns would be useful. But throwing a random vote on me gets you zero data points and instead ducks this very close vote.

Yup, hang me for it if you like. I told you I didn't like the two candidates being thrown out there. It's not my fault the rest of you are so God awful at picking lynch candidates while I am away at work.

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by nfg22

Maybe Lathum isnt a wolf, but neither am i. I just know we figure out alot by killing him

I agree and have been arguing as such for much of the day. But killing a wolf is more important and between your unorthodox actions on D1 and the shiftiness on D2 my attanae against you have popped back up.

[path12]

Originally Posted by saldana

lathum goes...8 to 7

Thanks, anybody questioning that? Deadline, by the way. Results as soon as I verify.

[SnDvls]

Originally Posted by saldana

please see my above reposts...are we going to chalk it up to misrembering that his facts are completely wrong?

man I've been waiting for someone to drop this in a WW game

[Mr. Wednesday]

Originally Posted by saldana

i mean seriously..you pick the guy with 4 villager scans instead of actually doing something that may help the village...nothing personal chief, i know you were at work, but that is unbelievable

People keep talking about how other players scanned, like that actually means anything when we don't know anything about player accuracy.

[saldana]

Originally Posted by saldana

regardless of the vote outcome, i think we need to scan

NFG
Chief Rum (for the BK vote)
Dodgerchick
Barkeep (4 scans one way is an anomoly)

i think we should maintain our four groups from night 1.

actually, i think we should change the order so group 4 doesnt scan barkeep 2 nights in a row

1. barkeep
2. nfg
3. chief
4. DC

[Mr. Wednesday]

Originally Posted by saldana

regardless of the vote outcome, i think we need to scan

NFG
Chief Rum (for the BK vote)
Dodgerchick
Barkeep (4 scans one way is an anomoly)

i think we should maintain our four groups from night 1.

I'm all for scanning nfg. Let's get him on the block as the "most useful" and see how he likes it.

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Yup, hang me for it if you like. I told you I didn't like the two candidates being thrown out there. It's not my fault the rest of you are so God awful at picking lynch candidates while I am away at work.

Then vote for someone you find suspicious. I can understand not liking the main 2. I think we gain more by you voting there but I can understand it if you're voting for someone you see as suspicious. But that's not why you said you voted for me. You voted for me to try and gain some data points that would not be forth coming.

[Chief Rum]

Screwed either way. I'm pretty sure both are villagers, based purely on their play. And I'm playing with a bunch of sheep.

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by saldana

actually, i think we should change the order so group 4 doesnt scan barkeep 2 nights in a row

1. barkeep
2. nfg
3. chief
4. DC

I'm in group 1. Flip me and nfg.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by nfg22

Lathum....Why is everything that doesnt go your way a protection against me?

Maybe you need to play in more then one game to think you know how everything works.

You are making it way to much about you.

I know I am a villager. When chief throws his vote away it looks like he is protecting you from the tie or from being potentialy lynched.

Had I been tied with DC it would have looked like he was protecting her.

You seem to think I have some vendetta against you just because I pointed out something you did day 1.

This is werewolf, people make accusations, deal with it.

[saldana]

Originally Posted by Mr. Wednesday

People keep talking about how other players scanned, like that actually means anything when we don't know anything about player accuracy.

i do agree with you about this, but come one...purposely avoiding the actual meaningful vote is garbage.

[nfg22]

The only mistake I made was that Lathum was ok with being thrown into the scan. Other than that I didnt lie. Lathum lead the charge against me and DC. He just voted for DC. But read his posts and know that he had me on there too.

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Screwed either way. I'm pretty sure both are villagers, based purely on their play. And I'm playing with a bunch of sheep.

"Who are you?"
"I’m me."
"What are you not?"
"A sheep."
"And how does a sheep go?"
"Baaaaaa!"

[SnDvls]

Originally Posted by saldana

regardless of the vote outcome, i think we need to scan

NFG
Chief Rum (for the BK vote)
Dodgerchick
Barkeep (4 scans one way is an anomoly)

i think we should maintain our four groups from night 1.

if this is your plan you need to reorder the names as group 4 already scanned barkeep...unless you are trying to get more info from that group too

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Then vote for someone you find suspicious. I can understand not liking the main 2. I think we gain more by you voting there but I can understand it if you're voting for someone you see as suspicious. But that's not why you said you voted for me. You voted for me to try and gain some data points that would not be forth coming.

I don't have strong feelings of suspicion for anyone right now. Without that, I voted for the most useful--you for the data points.

I think people trumped up cases against Lathum, nfg22, DC and Pumpy at different points, and I didn't like any of the reasoning I read. No one else has come remotely close to being "suspicious", whether I think so or not.

Sorry, not going to just "Baaahh" and pick whoever someone else says is suspicious. In my mind, we don't know enough.

Hell, we probably shoulda No Lynched again, even if I abhor the idea.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Screwed either way. I'm pretty sure both are villagers, based purely on their play. And I'm playing with a bunch of sheep.

amen to that brother

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

"Who are you?"
"I’m me."
"What are you not?"
"A sheep."
"And how does a sheep go?"
"Baaaaaa!"

Well, at least you accept your fate, mutton chop.

[claphamsa]

this is awesome!

[nfg22]

Im having fun...

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Lathum

I know I am a villager. When chief throws his vote away it looks like he is protecting you from the tie or from being potentialy lynched.

Point of information. When I started my vote post, it was a 7-7 tie. I didn't choose to let you hang, I chose to not choose either of you to hang. That responsibility ended up falling to whoever voted while I was typing in my vote.

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by nfg22

Im having fun...

I agree that this was a fun day.

[saldana]

Originally Posted by saldana

actually, i think we should change the order so group 4 doesnt scan barkeep 2 nights in a row

1. barkeep
2. nfg
3. chief
4. DC

one last alteration since BK pointed out he is in group one

1. nfg
2. barkeep
3 chief
4. DC

everyone on board?

[Mr. Wednesday]

Originally Posted by saldana

i do agree with you about this, but come one...purposely avoiding the actual meaningful vote is garbage.

Maybe, but I can't swear I wouldn't have done the same thing if Chief had beaten me to the punch on getting a vote in.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Originally Posted by saldana

one last alteration since BK pointed out he is in group one

1. nfg
2. barkeep
3 chief
4. DC

everyone on board?

No promises, but if I were to go along with this, who would I be scanning?

[Mr. Wednesday]

Dola, and who picked out the targets originally, anyway?

[st.cronin]

Mr. W, the timing was such that I believe Chief thought it was still tied when he cast his vote.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Mr. Wednesday

People keep talking about how other players scanned, like that actually means anything when we don't know anything about player accuracy.

Here's my amen. Hit it on the head. All we have are scans we can't trust and cases built up on word choice and the flimsiest of rationality.

[st.cronin]

I'm scanning Chief Rum, and leaning heavily towards voting for him tomorrow regardless of result.

[nfg22]

So I am scanning cheif?

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

Mr. W, the timing was such that I believe Chief thought it was still tied when he cast his vote.

You are correct.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

I'm scanning Chief Rum, and leaning heavily towards voting for him tomorrow regardless of result.

Why scan me then? I encourage scanning me (said this a couple pages back), but if that's the way you feel, I encourage you to scan someone else to get a data point on someone who will still be in the game (assuming many others feel as you do).

I would only want people who are actually questioning whether they will vote for me to scan me.

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by Mr. Wednesday

Dola, and who picked out the targets originally, anyway?

Today's 4 or the original four? The original 4 was GreyRooFoo

[path12]

I show the following for final vote:

Lathum - 8 - nfg22 (787), Barkeep49 (791), DodgerChick (800), Passacaglia (880), st.cronin (882), RendeR (887), mauboy1 (926), Mr. Wednesday (985)
nfg22 - 7 - Pumpy Tudors(598), Bsak16(628), MikeVic (757), claphamsa (770), Lathum (830), oliegirl (865), saldana (866)
No Lynch - 2 - The Jackal (736), SnDvls (762)
Passacaglia - 1 - ntndeacon(738)
Dodgerchick - 1 - jeheinz72 (764)
Barkeep49 - 1 - Chief Rum (986)

After the shock of Greyroofoo's death last night, Mr. Edward has spent the majority of his time drinking and avoiding the telephone. Mr. Felix has called approximately 174 times. He does not seem happy, especially after being surprised on the national news magazine Magicline by the statement, "So, Mr. Felix, you say you can see those wolfy bastards, but why do they appear to infest Divination Nation! as soon as you're gone? Might you have some sort of.......arrangement?".

Book sales are plummeting again and the school is in chaos. Debate raged back and forth amongst the students as they desperately try and avoid being the second graduating class to become hors d'oeuvres. Finally a decision is reached, and Lathum is pulled out of the crowd and quickly lynched. You all wait anxiously to see him change into wolf form, but it does not happen.

LATHUM, A STUDENT, HAS BEEN LYNCHED. NIGHT 2 IS UNDERWAY. ORDERS ARE DUE BY 1AM EASTERN TIME TONIGHT.

[saldana]

Originally Posted by Mr. Wednesday

No promises, but if I were to go along with this, who would I be scanning?

i believe you were in Greyroofoo's group 3.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Why scan me then? I encourage scanning me (said this a couple pages back), but if that's the way you feel, I encourage you to scan someone else to get a data point on someone who will still be in the game (assuming many others feel as you do).

I would only want people who are actually questioning whether they will vote for me to scan me.

I'm scanning you because I think its at least moderate probability that you get lynched tomorrow. So scanning you gets me a data point on my reliability as a seer.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

I'm scanning you because I think its at least moderate probability that you get lynched tomorrow. So scanning you gets me a data point on my reliability as a seer.

I hope I come up student to you then, since otherwise, I will be a bad point for you (re: your accuracy).

[Chief Rum]

Okay, so who am I supposed to scan?

[Chief Rum]

I was in GRF's Group 1. Are those the groupings we're still going with?

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

I was in GRF's Group 1. Are those the groupings we're still going with?

That was my thought.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

No, he was right. There had been 14 scans announced, GRF is dead and mauboy1 and jeheinz were not able to participate in N1 scans. That's 17 of 21 original players, leaving 4 (the above four) unanswered for.

Dude, we already settled that.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

So you're putting value into the N0 scans?

I've said so throughout the game, yes.