Werewolf XXXI: House of Frankenstein (Game Over)

[Fouts]

It is good to know that Lathum and I were right all along. Both of us are villagers.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by Lathum

just want to thank St. Cronin for running a great game, eat you next time

You're welcome! I'm having a blast.

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by Lathum

just want to thank St. Cronin for running a great game, eat you next time

Oh and I told you that you'd have no problem living past D1.

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by Swaggs

This points to Blade almost too much... I'm not sure what to think about that.

I agree, and I think it is a clear setup. You don't usually get this kind of an orgy of information, except against hoopsguy in my game

[molson]

Originally Posted by Anxiety

I would like to applaud the wolves. I bet Blade is a villager, and now instead of wasting one day killing Blade, we'll waste two days going after Blade tomorrow.

The wolves didn't do anything. Reiman doesn't know who the wolves are (though he might have lucked on and learned 1's identity by now), and in any event, they can't pm each other, unless I'm mistaken.

[Grammaticus]

Originally Posted by Anxiety

I would like to applaud the wolves. I bet Blade is a villager, and now instead of wasting one day killing Blade, we'll waste two days going after Blade tomorrow.


*applauds*

Sometimes I feel like the Cassandra character of our little play.

No, it probably means Blade is a wolf, with a smaller chance he is Dr. Raimen.

Likely, the Dr would have tested Blades blood during the first night and knew if he was good or bad and therefore worth saving or damning.

Schmidty is a good guess on the accomplice as his "4 word PM" was after Blade posted "I am a villager".

Everytime I have watched Blade die it has been after a vigerous defense, except when he was the Duke. Even then it was grandeur all the way.

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by Fouts

It is good to know that Lathum and I were right all along. Both of us are villagers.

Stop lumping yourself in with Lathum. He was a villager. As to you?

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Swaggs

Does anyone see any good reason why Reimann would use his sole defense to save Blade and/or knock out Lathum?

I am leaning towards thinking that Blade is Reimann, acting on self preservation.

Either he thinks im a wolf like everyone else and wanted to save me(he doesnt know the wolves), or he figures this will buy them at least 1 day, prob. more as someone else will stand out when you all lynch me. This move might have just won them the game, as outlandish as it says, as the group will be totally focused on myself, and to some extent fouts and anxiety now, right or wrong.

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by molson

The wolves didn't do anything. Reiman doesn't know who the wolves are (though he might have lucked on and learned 1's identity by now), and in any event, they can't pm each other, unless I'm mistaken.

Sorry molson, you are technically right. I meant the wolves generally as the bad guys, but since in this game the wolves are an actual faction of the bad guys, I should have been more specific and called them the antagonists

[Grammaticus]

Originally Posted by molson

The wolves didn't do anything. Reiman doesn't know who the wolves are (though he might have lucked on and learned 1's identity by now), and in any event, they can't pm each other, unless I'm mistaken.

The wolves can PM each other. But Dr. R cannot PM with the wolves. But if Dr. R tested Blade and determined he was a wolf, he would now use his change to save him.

[Grammaticus]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

Either he thinks im a wolf like everyone else and wanted to save me(he doesnt know the wolves), or he figures this will buy them at least 1 day, prob. more as someone else will stand out when you all lynch me. This move might have just won them the game, as outlandish as it says, as the group will be totally focused on myself, and to some extent fouts and anxiety now, right or wrong.

Nice of you to leave out the fact he can test each day.

[Grammaticus]

Well, I gotta step out and help plan our trip to Washington DC. I love DC, there is just so much to do!

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Grammaticus

Nice of you to leave out the fact he can test each day.

I honestly didnt remember he could...if he can, i suppose that argument goes out the window if you think he tested me.

[SnDvls]

wow my head hasn't spun this much since the first x-com game I played in.

This totally smells of set up to me.. I guess we'll have to see what happens in the night actions to really get a good read on it.

[tanglewood]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

I honestly didnt remember he could...if he can, i suppose that argument goes out the window if you think he tested me.

If I were Dr. Reimman, Blade would be one of the first player's I'd test, so I think it's likely, whether you are wolf or villager, that Reimann knows what you are.

Of course, it could be a newbie player who is the Reimann so could possibly a) Not have known who the vets were and tested random people (i.e. not Blade) and b) Have tested Lathum, found he was a villager and panicked as the vote moved away from him deciding to move it back.

Of course, Blade could be Reimann himself. His whole 'I am a villager, I will not fight against my accusers, what's the point?' defence in the last 15 ins or so before the lynch could suggest someone who knew he wasn't going to be lynched tonight.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

Best of luck villagers, hope you guys can turn this ship around! Been fun playing with everyone, especially the new players! Go Team Villager!!!

If i was the duke/reimann, i wouldnt have made this post...i would have sat there and smiled, and i would have swapped it to fouts.

[st.cronin]

I have all night actions, results coming.

[bulletsponge]

lol, i bet Lathum shit a brick when he found out Blade outplayed him and he was the one who died

[molson]

Here's the scenerios as I see them - what am I leaving out?

1. Blade was Dr. R. If you know you're dead, you might as well use your power, especially knowing that you could play it off as a wolf diversion tactic the next day. I can see this.

2. Blade was a wolf, and Dr. R knew it. It would seem that this would lead to an obvious Blade lynching the next day, but Dr. R might figure that due to Blade's prominence in the game, they're be some confusion and controversy regardless. I can see this too.

3. Blade was a villager, and Dr. M knew it. Would Dr. R. use his power to kill one villager instead of another? It seems illogical. Dr. R could be trying to get us to lynch Blade, but is 1 dead villager really worth using the power, when we were all willing to lynch Blade anyway?

4. Dr. R didn't know Blade's identity - It seems completely nonsensical that Dr. R would use his power blindly - unless he felt like he didn't have long to live himself. But there's nobody who's really in those shoes at this point. And also, as has been stated, Blade would probably be the first one Dr. R would test (and he'd certaintly be in the top 3).

[bulletsponge]

oooh the night action. *puts on his garlic necklace and silver cross*

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by bulletsponge

lol, i bet Lathum shit a brick when he found out Blade outplayed him and he was the one who died

I admit, i would have paid to see lathums face when he read that. I didnt do it, but it would have been funny.

In all honesty, lathum outplayed me today. He swung a vote with like 20 minutes left, convinced everyone a COT was evil, and set up fouts with himself as a buffer in case he was wrong. Lathum played a great game of WW today, and i couldnt match it without a little help from dr. reimann./ Bravo lathum

[Fouts]

Originally Posted by bulletsponge

lol, i bet Lathum shit a brick when he found out Blade outplayed him and he was the one who died

No, blade was outplayed and caught. Blade was lucky enough to have an ace in his pocket that the rest of us don't have.

[st.cronin]

You are woken from your sleep by screams and sounds of struggle coming from Fouts house - you dash over to discover that somehow, Frankenstein's monster has returned! Fouts has been torn limb from limb, but by now you all are used to bloodshed, and you rush the monster with pitchforks and torches. Through the night you pursue him, and corner him, and kill him. Taking stock after the battle, you realize that one of you is missing - GoldenEagle! You dash to his house, and discover that, like AlanT and saldana, he has been murdered by werewolves! Two dead in one night! The sun is rising ... what will you do today?

DAY 4 HAS BEGUN - Deadline 8:30PM Thursday

[Fouts]

Not a smart move. Good luck guys.

[molson]

Well, at least all the evil powers are gone now.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Fouts

No, blade was outplayed and caught. Blade was lucky enough to have an ace in his pocket that the rest of us don't have.

When i come up clean, did lathum really out-play me by taking the lynch off of you, a potential wolf, and onto me, a villager. Just saying, reimann aside, he moved it from you to me, and im a villager. Only when you and i both die, can we say who out-played who

[bulletsponge]

fudge on a stick! frankenstiens monster. i so bet blade is the evil dr now, he used both his ace cards because he knew he wouldnt live past tomorow to use the monster

[Blade6119]

Ok, now i just look plain bad...i got outplayed, disregard my last comment

[Fouts]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

When i come up clean, did lathum really out-play me by taking the lynch off of you, a potential wolf, and onto me, a villager. Just saying, reimann aside, he moved it from you to me, and im a villager. Only when you and i both die, can we say who out-played who

Save your breath, I'm dead. I'll see you soon.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Fouts

Save your breath, I'm dead. I'll see you soon.

Cant wait...man, we have really screwed this game to hell so far...

[DaddyTorgo]

huh? is this how reiman would change the vote?

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

huh? is this how reiman would change the vote?

Reimann changed the vote from me to lathum, killing him...he then summoned frankenstein and killed fouts...GE got torn limb to limb by the wolves, and im getting lynched tomorrow...thats the recap

[molson]

Hold the phones - if we think Blade is Dr. R, it's in our best interest to keep him alive now - since he counts as a HUMAN in the standings. And without his powers, he's now impotent. Correct? (We'd just have to make sure his lone vote doesn't hurt us)

I'm not saying I'm convinced he's Dr. R, as oppossed to the wolf, but he sure does seem resigned to his fate now, doesn't he?

[Abe Sargent]

The wolves have forced a vote on Blade tomorrow by eliminating the alternative - Fouts. Nice.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Anxiety

The wolves have forced a vote on Blade tomorrow by eliminating the alternative - Fouts. Nice.

Anyone notice that in the lynch and night action, MY ENTIRE TOP 3 FROM THE RANDOM VOTE LIST GOT KILLED...do you all really think i would do that as a bad guy??????????

[Chief Rum]

Sheesh, is that three villagers dead in an hour?

Just to be certain, though--did that night action say either Fouts or GE were villagers? Or is it assumed since the action didn't say otherwise?

[Abe Sargent]

I honestly beleive Blade is a villager now. Here's why:

If you were continuing the "Kill the vets," then you wouldn't have used your frankie power to off Fouts. GE at least makes sense because he's been the best of the new players, but Fouts?

Why would the bad guys have killed a villager that had heat on him? The only rational reason to me seems to eb that they are continuing the Blade setup. Three players, SnDvls, Swaggs and myself metionened that we were unsure Blade was a bad guy and smelled a setup. So the baddies eliminated teh other alternative, leaving just Blade as an option

[DaddyTorgo]

yeah i thought i was caught up but didn't see the whole last page.

HOLY SHIT. An orgy of blood.

[tanglewood]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

Anyone notice that in the lynch and night action, MY ENTIRE TOP 3 FROM THE RANDOM VOTE LIST GOT KILLED...do you all really think i would do that as a bad guy??????????

Or you're a wolf, who's entire top 3 were all villagers, and was saved by Dr, Reimann without your foreknowledge.

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

Anyone notice that in the lynch and night action, MY ENTIRE TOP 3 FROM THE RANDOM VOTE LIST GOT KILLED...do you all really think i would do that as a bad guy??????????

Another very good point. Blade is a better player than this. I have personally seen good players with tons of heat deflect it away, and Blade could have done so.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Sheesh, is that three villagers dead in an hour?

Just to be certain, though--did that night action say either Fouts or GE were villagers? Or is it assumed since the action didn't say otherwise?

Post 1, they were both villagers

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by tanglewood

Or you're a wolf, who's entire top 3 were all villagers, and was saved by Dr, Reimann without your foreknowledge.

Ya, so to top it off i as a wolf kill GE, becuase whats more fun then eliminating every suspect but me for i could move the vote to

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by Anxiety

I honestly beleive Blade is a villager now. Here's why:

If you were continuing the "Kill the vets," then you wouldn't have used your frankie power to off Fouts. GE at least makes sense because he's been the best of the new players, but Fouts?

Why would the bad guys have killed a villager that had heat on him? The only rational reason to me seems to eb that they are continuing the Blade setup. Three players, SnDvls, Swaggs and myself metionened that we were unsure Blade was a bad guy and smelled a setup. So the baddies eliminated teh other alternative, leaving just Blade as an option

i agree. this to me doesn't make me think that blade is a wolf, unless he's playing a hell of a game. he may be reiman sure, but reiman counts as a human so there's no reason to lynch him anymore, and even less considering reiman can lead us to wolves with his blood-testing.

[Schmidty]

I'm going to have to pull out of this one guys.

I've missed two votes in a row, and I don't want to screw up the game any further.

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

Ya, so to top it off i as a wolf kill GE, becuase whats more fun then eliminating every suspect but me for i could move the vote to

very true. if you're blade and a wolf, do you eliminate every possible person with heat except for yourself? doesn't make any sense. and if you're blade and reiman we want to keep you alive so we can use your blood-testing ability. and if you're blade and a villager, you're not one we want to kill.

[Abe Sargent]

st. cronin, I havea question about what you mean regarding Reiman. You say he counts as a human for victory. Does this mean he wins if humans win? Or that he counts as a human when tabulating the wolf:human ratio but still wins as a wolf?

[tanglewood]

Okay, to those who are hypothesising a set up:

If not Blade, then who should we lynch today? Even if it is likely Blade has been set up, which I am skeptical of at this point, surely the likelyhood that Blade is either a wolf or Dr. Reimann is higher than any other player at this point. Isn't it worth taking a chance even if you think he may not be?

My current thinking is that Blade is a wolf who was saved by the Dr. without his knowledge. But then I dunno, my head is spinning at the moment with all the possibilities.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

i agree. this to me doesn't make me think that blade is a wolf, unless he's playing a hell of a game. he may be reiman sure, but reiman counts as a human so there's no reason to lynch him anymore, and even less considering reiman can lead us to wolves with his blood-testing.

But Reimann fetched the wolves and Count Dracula on us. Why would he help the villagers? They even voted to kill Blade (if he's Dr. R).

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by tanglewood

Okay, to those who are hypothesising a set up:

If not Blade, then who should we lynch today? Even if it is likely Blade has been set up, which I am skeptical of at this point, surely the likelyhood that Blade is either a wolf or Dr. Reimann is higher than any other player at this point. Isn't it worth taking a chance even if you think he may not be?

My current thinking is that Blade is a wolf who was saved by the Dr. without his knowledge. But then I dunno, my head is spinning at the moment with all the possibilities.

we don't want to lynch reiman though. he counts as a human.

but that's true what anxiety asked, does reiman win if the humans win, or does he win if the wolves win?

ie...who is he interested in helping, wolves or humans? that's important for us to know before we decide if we want to chase after reiman

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

very true. if you're blade and a wolf, do you eliminate every possible person with heat except for yourself? doesn't make any sense. and if you're blade and reiman we want to keep you alive so we can use your blood-testing ability. and if you're blade and a villager, you're not one we want to kill.

If i am reiman, i wont help you one bit...he wins with the wolves, but just counts as a villager in the wolf-villager ratio that wins the game...if i was reiman, id say i was going to help you then feed you the wrong info.

Im not reiman though, im a simple villager who now has two suspects i am quite keen on(unlike yesterday where i didnt care who i voted for, hence the random number i asked you for)