Obama versus McCain (versus the rest)

[weegeebored]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Without question, it's the darkest day in our nation's history, no pun particularly intended. The lowest point we ever descended to, and perhaps the first time I've truly been ashamed to be an American. We have no one to blame but ourselves for it ultimately, decades upon decades of mistakes & missteps all leading to this moment. hope, all that's left is to fight to the end & deny the enemy as much of the spoils as possible. Maybe there's at least enough backbone left to do a decent job of that.

Hmmm... I thought that the darkest day was when Dubya got "elected" the first time (remember Florida?), and that was topped (bottomed??) by his re-election after voters saw four years of his stupidity.

I thought that both candidates left a lot to be desired.

[Neon_Chaos]

Originally Posted by Neon_Chaos

I really am glad that Obama seems to have this election wrapped up.

I hate to toot my own horn. But toot, baby.

[BYU 14]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

fantom - I don't really think Canada would strike me as a particular improvement. But if there was still enough in my bank account to accomodate it

We can hold a Carwash.....

[John Galt]

Originally Posted by molson

You don't think there were boos at Kerry's concession?

Nope.

[stevew]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

I believe the single most common sentiment for more than a year has consistently been that McCain isn't worth pissing on if he spontaneously combusted, or some variation thereof. I didn't give a damn for him when he sought the nomination, I didn't give a damn for him when he got it, and I damned sure don't give a damn for him now that he's presided over this debacle.

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Nice concession speech too. Basically the "aw shucks" variety. I'm not sure anyone could have beaten Obama, but I would have appreciated a bit more effort.

Hopefully you'll be able to continue to do what you do Jon, even if you get taxed into bolivian.

[Senator]

Originally Posted by Neon_Chaos

I hate to toot my own horn. But toot, baby.

Way to go out on a limb.

When will the Bengals win a Super Bowl. Now, that will impress me.

[Galaxy]

Originally Posted by Izulde

Although I voted for Obama largely as an anti-Palin vote, I'm absolutely fascinated by the election results.

Depending on how his presidency(ies?) go, I think he could very easily sustain the Reganesque levels of mystique he's acquired.

(Note: I'm wholly against the cult of personality surrounding him and it's one of the reasons why I was undecided until more and more came out revealing how psychotic Palin is.)

I just hope people are realistic. I voted for Barr, but I rather see Obama over McCain (even though Obama's tax-and-spend platform concern me). The social conservative and Bush mess turned me off.

[albionmoonlight]

edit away uncoolness

[Galaxy]

Originally Posted by Senator

Way to go out on a limb.

When will the Bengals win a Super Bowl. Now, that will impress me.

I don't think even God knows.

[sabotai]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

fantom - I don't really think Canada would strike me as a particular improvement. But if there was still enough in my bank account to accomodate it & I could figure out somewhere else to be where the practical aspects of it (i.e. my just widowed mother-in-law unwilling to relocate,etc.) I'd be out of here tomorrow. Well actually I doubt I would have stuck around for the past couple of weeks but you get the idea.

I have thought about this. If people were unhappy with Bush and the nation going to the right, Canada is more left than the US and you also have most of Europe to go to if you had the means to leave.

But where do people who want a more "to the right" nation go? (And no, this is not leading up to a "LOL Iran" punchline.). In all seriousness, what nation is out there that would be the "go to" place for someone no happy with the nation going to the left, but still want to remain within reason with regards to the civil rights they enjoy and the standard of living they are accustomed to?

[stevew]

Originally Posted by Kodos

I feel sorry for Jon. He must live a very fearful, hate-filled existence.

Somehow I'm sure he'll get over the fact that you don't particularly care for him. Just a hunch.

[BYU 14]

Originally Posted by stevew

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even if you get taxed into bolivian.

I hate it when I get taxed into a small south american country!!

[Mustang]

Originally Posted by molson

You won, show some class and get over this stuff.

That is one of the things that grinds me about this current political environment (on both sides). In the end, a very large percent of the population voted for McCain, so.. basically lumping everyone together, calling them evil, stupid or whatever really doesn't help anyone unless you want to continue with an us vs them model all the time.

I think and hope that Obama understands this even if large segments of the population don't.

[Galaxy]

Originally Posted by sabotai

I have thought about this. If people were unhappy with Bush and the nation going to the right, Canada is more left than the US and you also have most of Europe to go to if you had the means to leave.

But where do people who want a more "to the right" nation go? (And no, this is not leading up to a "LOL Iran" punchline.). In all seriousness, what nation is out there that would be the "go to" place for someone no happy with the nation going to the left, but still want to remain within reason with regards to the civil rights they enjoy and the standard of living they are accustomed to?

Switzerland?

[Honolulu_Blue]

Originally Posted by sabotai

Gay marriage bans. Florida, 62% yes, 89% reporting. Arizona 56% yes, 76% reporting. California 56% yes, 10% reporting.

Electing Obama shows we're moving in the right direction as a country.

The results on the gay marriage bans show we still have a ways to go.

[molson]

Originally Posted by John Galt

Nope.

OK, that's a pretty classy crowd there, I'll give them that.

But I still disagree with the sentiment that Republicans don't boo and Democrats do.

Here's one of Dems booing Obama's assertion that "McCain served his contrary honorably".

YouTube - Obama Gives McCain The Finger

I don't think any of it means anything, and I don't have a problem with anybody booing whenever the fuck they want. Just the sentiment that only Republicans do it.

[Noop]

Sean Hannity I hope leaves the country as well; along with Rush Limbaugh.

[sabotai]

Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue

Electing Obama shows we're moving in the right direction as a country.

The results on the gay marriage bans show we still have a ways to go.

+1

[BillyMadison]

I apologize for the poor choice of words, which after a second reading certainly has a tone of racism, offensiveness, and ambiguity. Allow me to clarify: I was referring to the belief amongst SOME african-americans, (and minorities as a whole) that America as a whole is still "out to get" them. That their voice can not be heard. That race, ethnicity, and creed is still as much as a widespread issue that it bears consideration in seemingly every fundamental issue in the country. That "white america" only cares about the interests of itself. This perception was shattered tonight. Senator Obama has won a historical election by a landslide. Hell, Iowa voted 54% for Obama. So it is a testament to how far we have come, and a shame that we (whites, blacks, yellows, greens, etc.) decide to only focus sometimes on the pitfalls of our society when in reality we have come a long way in 50 or so years. Yes, horrible choice of words on my part and I should not have generalized "all" african americans. What I meant to say is that I am happy that America is now in a position where we can no longer say that some-ones race has a bearing on their ability to be treated objectively and fairly.

Congrats Obama.

[Galaxy]

Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue

Electing Obama shows we're moving in the right direction as a country.

The results on the gay marriage bans show we still have a ways to go.

I see lots of legal battles. It will over-turn in time, as the younger generation takes over. It's sad that these bans are being passed.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

that being said, since you have explained that, i retract my comment that was intend to be in humor. although i stand by my claim that it's hyperbole

And I'll accept that with appreciation. I'm not going to lay any sort of claim to complete & utter colorblindness (I don't believe it exists period) but I'll stand by the absence of anything racial in my choice of phrases to describe the situation.
In more colorful terms, there's no rope there for any pitard hoisting.

As to the issue of hyperbole, I have to ask (legit, because I'm not sure, and because it's a more pleasant sidebar than parsing the losses in the House):
I generally interpret hyperbole, defined as "extravagant exaggeration", as including some intent. In other words, you're knowingly & intentionally, overstating some situation.

Rest assured that, from the very bottom of my heart & soul, I mean precisely what I said, is it still "hyperbole"? I guess what I'm asking is who determines the degree of "extravagant exaggeration", the speaker or the listener? An inquiring non-English major wonders & figures we've got enough grammar police that someone will actually know the correct answer.

[sabotai]

Originally Posted by Galaxy

Switzerland?

I love the mountains!

And it just so happens, I'm learning German!

[SirFozzie]

an ex-CA friend of mine tells me he still thinks it'll go down, and we have a while to go. I'm just praying for a friend of mine out there.

[Mustang]

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

Sometimes, the best in us can overcome the worst in us.

Are you suggesting that the people that voted for McCain represent the worst of us?

[Vegas Vic]

Originally Posted by molson

You don't think there were boos at Kerry's concession?

Kerry's concession came a day after the election, at Fanuiel Hall, before an invited crowd.

[Neon_Chaos]

Originally Posted by Mustang

Are you suggesting that the people that voted for McCain represent the worst of us?

The people who voted Palin, maybe.

[stevew]

"Fairness" Doctrine, here we come!

[John Galt]

Originally Posted by molson

OK, that's a pretty classy crowd there, I'll give them that.

But I still disagree with the sentiment that Republicans don't boo and Democrats do.

Here's one of Dems booing Obama's assertion that "McCain served his contrary honorably".

YouTube - Obama Gives McCain The Finger

I don't think any of it means anything, and I don't have a problem with anybody booing whenever the fuck they want. Just the sentiment that only Republicans do it.

I think booing at a concession speech is different than booing on the campaign trail. I found the boos during McCain's classy concession to be in very poor taste. That booing shouldn't be defended.

[fantom1979]

Originally Posted by Mustang

That is one of the things that grinds me about this current political environment (on both sides). In the end, a very large percent of the population voted for McCain, so.. basically lumping everyone together, calling them evil, stupid or whatever really doesn't help anyone unless you want to continue with an us vs them model all the time.

I think and hope that Obama understands this even if large segments of the population don't.

Great post. McCain is at 44 million votes and counting. Its not like there were a dozen people on his side.

[John Galt]

Originally Posted by stevew

"Fairness" Doctrine, here we come!

I'll place a friendly wager that there will be no revival of the "fairness doctrine" during the Obama administration. Obama opposes it and I don't think anyone will push it. It's just a dumb idea.

[molson]

Originally Posted by John Galt

I think booing at a concession speech is different than booing on the campaign trail. I found the boos during McCain's classy concession to be in very poor taste. That booing shouldn't be defended.

So you think no Democrat has ever boo'd a concession speech? Or do you just get off correcting me all the time

[sabotai]

CNN has projected a few ballot initiatives

Arizona's Gay marriage ban is projected to pass.

Michigan to allow medical weed is projected to pass

Colorado's "Life at Conception" is projected to fail.

[BYU 14]

Originally Posted by BillyMadison

I apologize for the poor choice of words, which after a second reading certainly has a tone of racism, offensiveness, and ambiguity. Allow me to clarify: I was referring to the belief amongst SOME african-americans, (and minorities as a whole) that America as a whole is still "out to get" them. That their voice can not be heard. That race, ethnicity, and creed is still as much as a widespread issue that it bears consideration in seemingly every fundamental issue in the country. That "white america" only cares about the interests of itself. This perception was shattered tonight. Senator Obama has won a historical election by a landslide. Hell, Iowa voted 54% for Obama. So it is a testament to how far we have come, and a shame that we (whites, blacks, yellows, greens, etc.) decide to only focus sometimes on the pitfalls of our society when in reality we have come a long way in 50 or so years.

Congrats Obama.

Are you the same guy?

A much better explanation.

[Noop]

[Izulde]

Originally Posted by Galaxy

I just hope people are realistic. I voted for Barr, but I rather see Obama over McCain (even though Obama's tax-and-spend platform concern me). The social conservative and Bush mess turned me off.

I don't know how realistic people are going to be. Like I commented to someone who asked on facebook about my status about the next four years being fascinating, I don't know how it's going to turn out.

There's too many unknown variables at play here to say anything with any real certainty.

[Vegas Vic]

Originally Posted by John Galt

I think booing at a concession speech is different than booing on the campaign trail. I found the boos during McCain's classy concession to be in very poor taste. That booing shouldn't be defended.

Have you read any of the prior posts? Every concession speech that has been made on the same night as the election has had booing, regardless of party.

[Galaxy]

Originally Posted by sabotai

I love the mountains!

And it just so happens, I'm learning German!

Well, that's half of Switzerland (just guessing). French is a spoken in a good portion of the western half of the country, and I believe a handful of cantons (pretty much states in Switzerland) speak Italian. I think a very small portion speaks Romansh.

[mauchow]

Congratulations Obama.

So far a decent speech from him.

[John Galt]

Originally Posted by molson

So you think no Democrat has ever boo'd a concession speech? Or do you just get off correcting me all the time

I have no idea on past concession speeches, but I would always say booing is very poor form. I just happened to remember Kerry's concession speech (perhaps because it was probably the best speech he gave).

[JetsIn06]

This is a great speech.

[cartman]

Originally Posted by sabotai

I love the mountains!

And it just so happens, I'm learning German!

Swiss-German is to German as Ebonics is to English. Found that out the hard way.

[albionmoonlight]

Originally Posted by Mustang

Are you suggesting that the people that voted for McCain represent the worst of us?

Probably. And that wasn't cool of me. My bad. I'll go edit. Now is not a night for discord. Now is a night for America.

[Noop]

The younger people are not bothered by race as much the older people.

[stevew]

Originally Posted by John Galt

I'll place a friendly wager that there will be no revival of the "fairness doctrine" during the Obama administration. Obama opposes it and I don't think anyone will push it. It's just a dumb idea.

Alright. We're on. I'll buy you lunch if I ever visit the city.

I just don't have the same faith in these guys that you do. Hopefully they can control themselves on stupid shit like this. I mean, the fact that it's even being discussed by peeps who have a lot of power(Schumer (sp) shows that they need to get a grip.

[John Galt]

Originally Posted by Vegas Vic

Have you read any of the prior posts? Every concession speech that has been made on the same night as the election has had booing, regardless of party.

[mauchow]

Originally Posted by Noop

That's a decent move!

[Galaxy]

The popular vote is a pretty good sign that the GOP isn't "dead".

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

And I'll accept that with appreciation. I'm not going to lay any sort of claim to complete & utter colorblindness (I don't believe it exists period) but I'll stand by the absence of anything racial in my choice of phrases to describe the situation.
In more colorful terms, there's no rope there for any pitard hoisting.

As to the issue of hyperbole, I have to ask (legit, because I'm not sure, and because it's a more pleasant sidebar than parsing the losses in the House):
I generally interpret hyperbole, defined as "extravagant exaggeration", as including some intent. In other words, you're knowingly & intentionally, overstating some situation.

Rest assured that, from the very bottom of my heart & soul, I mean precisely what I said, is it still "hyperbole"? I guess what I'm asking is who determines the degree of "extravagant exaggeration", the speaker or the listener? An inquiring non-English major wonders & figures we've got enough grammar police that someone will actually know the correct answer.

good question - i'd be curious where the line is too.

btw jon - watching obama's speech - he's reaching out to you - he wants to mend fences. we're one america, not a collection of red and blue.

[stevew]

Hopefully Obama will be a better guy than I give him credit for. He's nowhere near as much of a douche as the Kerry's of the world. I just don't agree with a lot of his stances.

[Noop]

Imagine if it wasn't for Oprah, Obama wouldn't have run for election.

- Or did I hear the story wrong.