Obama versus McCain (versus the rest)

[Lathum]

maybe JIMG should move to a hut in Tanzia somewhere. Then he may realize how rough life can be.

[Vegas Vic]

Originally Posted by Easy Mac

they're booing Obama during mccain's concession. You stay classy republicans.

For those of you who just became acquainted with presidential politics during this election cycle, if you get a chance, take a look at Walter Mondale's concession speech in 1984, Michael Dukakis' concession speech in 1988, George Herbert Waker Bush and Ross Perot's concession speeches in 1992, Bob Dole's concession speech in 1996, and notice the booing (with the losing candidate admonishing the crowd not to boo).

Kerry's concession speech didn't take place until the next day, before an invited crowd at Faneuil Hall, and Gore's concession speech in 2000 took place a month after the election in his Vice Presidential office, so there wasn't any booing.

[cuervo72]

Originally Posted by MrDNA

Jon, is that you booing on my TV?

"the darkest day in our nation's history" Get a grip, man.

Well, Gergen just got finished saying on CNN that the BBC asked people from 22 countries who they'd rather have as president...and all 22 picked Obama, at at least a 3-1 clip. Now, the question is - do most countries wish to get along with us, or do they wish to surpass/bury us? Do countries admire us, or are they resentful of us? Jon obviously thinks the latter on both counts. He may be right. He may not be...remains to be seen I guess. If he is, let's hope Obama is worthy of that challenge.

[cmp]

People like JiMGA are the reason I voted Democrat this election, something I haven't done in the past.

[Mustang]

Originally Posted by Lathum

my guess is that he is black

While I don't necessarily agree with Jon, I really don't think it is fair to tag him as a racist.

[Noop]

Originally Posted by SirFozzie

Guys, that's unworthy. For Jon's faults to me, I can't see him as a racist. Come on. Call him on what he does that's wrong, but let's not invent things.

His post reekkk of it.

[BYU 14]

Originally Posted by Groundhog

JiMGA, you are exaggerating beyond belief. You may not be happy with who got the presidency, but I'm willing to bet that your life will not nearly be so adversely affected by it as you seem to think.

Yeah Jon, It's not like Obama will be banning Cigarettes or anything, you'll be fine.


I am thinking (hoping) there is some TIC in his rant.

[Galaxy]

Originally Posted by Mustang

Hopefully the expectations aren't ridiculously out of line. Lots of things to work on so, hopefully people dont' expect everything to change overnight. (Or the flip side that he feels pressure to do everything overnight and does things too fast or haphazardly)

He'll have to be very careful in what he does. With so many problems in his lap and a second term to run for, he's got a real challenge in not going too far to the left, staying to his platform, and fixing the problems.

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by Groundhog

Can someone who paid attention over the past 100-odd pages of this thread give me a quick rundown on what exactly JiMGA despises so much about Obama?

Originally Posted by SirFozzie

Guys, that's unworthy. For Jon's faults to me, I can't see him as a racist. Come on. Call him on what he does that's wrong, but let's not invent things.

eh, you may be right. frankly i wouldn't put it past him though from the persona he puts out here. perhaps i was too hasty...idk. but i think at this point the burden of proof is on the defendant.

[Groundhog]

Originally Posted by SirFozzie

Guys, that's unworthy. For Jon's faults to me, I can't see him as a racist. Come on. Call him on what he does that's wrong, but let's not invent things.

Sorry Fozz, I also hate to see the Race card played when it's not warranted, but he followed:

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Without question, it's the darkest day in our nation's history, no pun particularly intended.

With:

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

The lowest point we ever descended to, and perhaps the first time I've truly been ashamed to be an American.

So, basically, brought it upon himself.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

that would be the SOB who beat McCain - which makes him what...less than worthless?

At what point did you get the feeling that I thought McCain had any value beyond being only somewhat less clueless that Obama?

I believe the single most common sentiment for more than a year has consistently been that McCain isn't worth pissing on if he spontaneously combusted, or some variation thereof. I didn't give a damn for him when he sought the nomination, I didn't give a damn for him when he got it, and I damned sure don't give a damn for him now that he's presided over this debacle.

[Tigercat]

As Obama builds his leads in Indiana and NC, looks like the only "battleground" McCain will win is Missouri, and still a lot of votes left to be count there.

[Galaxy]

DT-your girl is back on.

[SirFozzie]

Considering his posts before this had nothing to do with race, but more like "a Liberal placater versus a Complete Liberal" (paraphrasing here).. I think people REALLY ought to give him the benefit of the doubt. And this is coming from soneone's who's butted heads with him 90 Billion times or so.

[lordscarlet]

Originally Posted by Vegas Vic

For those of you who just became acquainted with presidential politics during this election cycle, if you get a chance, take a look at Walter Mondale's concession speech in 1984, Michael Dukakis' concession speech in 1988, George Herbert Waker Bush and Ross Perot's concession speeches in 1992, Bob Dole's concession speech in 1996, and notice the booing (with the losing candidate admonishing the crowd not to boo).

Kerry's concession speech didn't take place until the next day, before an invited crowd at Faneuil Hall, and Gore's concession speech in 2000 took place a month after the election in his Vice Presidential office, so there wasn't any booing.

It has been all campaign and it is disgusting. Republicans don't like the large crowds and fervor that follow Obama, but they don't boo when he mentions McCain.

[Vegas Vic]

Originally Posted by lordscarlet

It has been all campaign and it is disgusting. Republicans don't like the large crowds and fervor that follow Obama, but they don't boo when he mentions McCain.

Are you serious?

[BillyMadison]

At least disgruntled african-americans who'd rather bitch than stand up and do something won't be able to play the race card as considerably anymore.

[Kodos]

Don't let a few idiots ruin a great night, guys.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Groundhog -- I've been sitting on the "darkest day" line for weeks. That's truly the single most accurate description I can think of, the overwhelming summation of the entire situation that rolled through my mind on an hourly basis since the outcome became obvious... and I've been around FOFC long enough to know exactly how the phrase would be interpreted by some if I wasn't proactive in separating it from (the obvious) racial implication.

And it happened anyway, which come to think of it, was predictable too.

[Noop]

Originally Posted by BillyMadison

At least disgruntled african-americans who'd rather bitch than stand up and do something won't be able to play the race card as considerably anymore.

Wow.

[Galaxy]

The rest of the Western world must be pretty happy as well.

[molson]

Congrats America for 219 years of peaceful transitions of power.

Obama has an opportunity, I certainly hope he can pull it off.

[DeToxRox]

Stem cell research looks like it'll pass in Michigan along with medical marijuana.

[Galaxy]

Originally Posted by Noop

Wow.

Yeah...I'm going to touch that with a 10-foot pole.

[Young Drachma]

Ayers Finally Speaks: I Barely Knew Obama, "They Made Me Into A Cartoon Character"

[Galaxy]

Originally Posted by DeToxRox

Stem cell research looks like it'll pass in Michigan along with medical marijuana.

I'm moving to Michigan....Well, in theory.

[cartman]

Coleman and Franken are only separated by 41 votes at this point, out of 1.1 million counted.

[BYU 14]

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMadison
At least disgruntled african-americans who'd rather bitch than stand up and do something won't be able to play the race card as considerably anymore.

Originally Posted by Noop

Wow.

+1, climb back into the woodwork you crawled out of...

[lordscarlet]

Originally Posted by Vegas Vic

Are you serious?

Quite so. I watched both candidates speeches at their conventions and clips from several other speeches. I only heard boos on the McCain side. I think it is pathetic, disgusting and disrespectful. You should certainly cheer for the things you like, but there is no reason to boo at the other guy.

[TheOhioStateUniversity]

Originally Posted by BillyMadison

At least disgruntled african-americans who'd rather bitch than stand up and do something won't be able to play the race card as considerably anymore.

And you sir are exhibiting one of the downfalls of this occurrence, the increase of modern symbolic racism. While I will agree some black people may cite race when race isn't the issue, what you are implying just doesn't reflect reality.

[Mustang]

Originally Posted by Noop

Wow.

Ok, Jon I'll defend.

Him, not so much.

[molson]

Originally Posted by BillyMadison

At least disgruntled african-americans who'd rather bitch than stand up and do something won't be able to play the race card as considerably anymore.

I wouldn't use that exact quote but I think you have something of a point there, though I'd extend it to all rampant Bush-complainers. Time to prove to us how horrible Bush was and how the country's problems were the fault of the president, and that there were better options all along.

[Galaxy]

So, how pissed is Hillary?

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Groundhog -- I've been sitting on the "darkest day" line for weeks. That's truly the single most accurate description I can think of, the overwhelming summation of the entire situation that rolled through my mind on an hourly basis since the outcome became obvious... and I've been around FOFC long enough to know exactly how the phrase would be interpreted by some if I wasn't proactive in separating it from (the obvious) racial implication.

And it happened anyway, which come to think of it, was predictable too.

I think in the immediate rush to be the first one to post on anything that your attempt to separate it from the racial implication was overlooked by most.

that being said, since you have explained that, i retract my comment that was intend to be in humor.

although i stand by my claim that it's hyperbole

[lungs]

JIMGA,

Just curious, do you plan on making any changes to your day to day life or will you be taking it as you go?

[Groundhog]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Groundhog -- I've been sitting on the "darkest day" line for weeks. That's truly the single most accurate description I can think of, the overwhelming summation of the entire situation that rolled through my mind on an hourly basis since the outcome became obvious... and I've been around FOFC long enough to know exactly how the phrase would be interpreted by some if I wasn't proactive in separating it from (the obvious) racial implication.

And it happened anyway, which come to think of it, was predictable too.

Fair enough.

I still think you will look back at your post in 4 years time and wonder exactly what the big deal was.

[Izulde]

Although I voted for Obama largely as an anti-Palin vote, I'm absolutely fascinated by the election results.

Depending on how his presidency(ies?) go, I think he could very easily sustain the Reganesque levels of mystique he's acquired.

(Note: I'm wholly against the cult of personality surrounding him and it's one of the reasons why I was undecided until more and more came out revealing how psychotic Palin is.)

[fantom1979]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

and perhaps the first time I've truly been ashamed to be an American.

[molson]

Originally Posted by lordscarlet

Quite so. I watched both candidates speeches at their conventions and clips from several other speeches. I only heard boos on the McCain side. I think it is pathetic, disgusting and disrespectful. You should certainly cheer for the things you like, but there is no reason to boo at the other guy.

Hopefully this will die down in a few days and we'll be past all this, but did you not see that video where Obama praises McCain, his supporters boo, and Obama says, "I don't want your boos, just your votes?"

You don't think there were boos at Kerry's concession? Or people calling the American people stupid and the president a monkey right here on FOFC? Ya, The Dems have always been REAL classy towards Bush, never booing him and only showing that office respect.

You won, show some class and get over this stuff.

[Galaxy]

People celebrating outside the White House.

[sabotai]

Originally Posted by Galaxy

So, how pissed is Hillary?

She'll probably be Senate majority leader sooner or later and have a very long career in the Senate if she chooses. I think if she's not happy with her consolation prize, she will be eventually.

But yeah, at this moment, probably quite pissed.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by lordscarlet

I think it is pathetic, disgusting and disrespectful. You should certainly cheer for the things you like, but there is no reason to boo at the other guy.

{scratches head} What part of "don't respect", "are disgusted by" and generally loathe doesn't get through to you here? Yes it's disrespectful, that's part of the (theoretically obvious) point.

I also think you're underestimating how much disapproval there is of McCain being far too soft on the enemy too often, an aspect that I thought came through consistently throughout the campaign stops (where the boos at the mention of Obama seemed pretty steady) but was pretty much ignored in any coverage I saw. In other words, those boos aren't just directed at Obama.

[Vegas Vic]

Originally Posted by lordscarlet

Quite so. I watched both candidates speeches at their conventions and clips from several other speeches. I only heard boos on the McCain side. I think it is pathetic, disgusting and disrespectful. You should certainly cheer for the things you like, but there is no reason to boo at the other guy.

Really? I watched dozens of Obama campaign speeches on C-Span over the course of the past several months, with Obama admonishing the crowd after booing McCain.

For you political neophytes, this was one of the tamest campaigns in American history. Go back and research what was said about Andrew Jackson, Abraham Lincoln's wife, Ulysses S. Grant and Grover Cleveland. This campaign was pure fluff compared to that.

[Senator]

Originally Posted by lordscarlet

Quite so. I watched both candidates speeches at their conventions and clips from several other speeches. I only heard boos on the McCain side. I think it is pathetic, disgusting and disrespectful. You should certainly cheer for the things you like, but there is no reason to boo at the other guy.

I have been involved deeply in politics over 20 years. Somebody always boos. Sorry, but it is true, VV is correct.

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by Tigercat

As Obama builds his leads in Indiana and NC, looks like the only "battleground" McCain will win is Missouri, and still a lot of votes left to be count there.

That's because Missouri can never get their crap together with regards to elections and counting votes.

SI

[Kodos]

I feel sorry for Jon. He must live a very fearful, hate-filled existence.

[DaddyTorgo]

wow - obama wants to hit the ground running, transition team meeting and new chief of staff tomorrow...wow

[JonInMiddleGA]

fantom - I don't really think Canada would strike me as a particular improvement. But if there was still enough in my bank account to accomodate it & I could figure out somewhere else to be where the practical aspects of it (i.e. my just widowed mother-in-law unwilling to relocate,etc.) I'd be out of here tomorrow. Well actually I doubt I would have stuck around for the past couple of weeks but you get the idea.

[cuervo72]

Originally Posted by Galaxy

People celebrating outside the White House.

Heh...classy too.

"We're seeing this all over the country." Uh, while the popular vote is at 51%. You'd think this was the liberation of a [nationwide] POW camp.

[sabotai]

Gay marriage bans. Florida, 62% yes, 89% reporting. Arizona 56% yes, 76% reporting. California 56% yes, 10% reporting.