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Great - above my expectations | 18 | 6.87% | |
Good - met most of my expectations | 66 | 25.19% | |
Average - so so, disappointed a little | 64 | 24.43% | |
Bad - sold us out | 101 | 38.55% | |
Trout - don't know yet | 13 | 4.96% | |
Voters: 262. You may not vote on this poll |
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06-29-2010, 06:08 PM | #10001 |
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06-29-2010, 06:14 PM | #10002 | |
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What is the practical application of your obsession with "welfare states", and states getting "screwed"? Would you favor a constitutional amendment that required 1:1 fed taxing/spending fairness across the states? And why just limit this unjust differential to states? Let's do it with races. I bet whites are being "screwed" compared to minorities, in terms of taxes v. support. Is that a travesty? I bet married suburban couples are getting "screwed" compared to single urban mothers. Isn't that what government is supposed to do? Last edited by molson : 06-29-2010 at 06:14 PM. |
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06-29-2010, 06:16 PM | #10003 |
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Anyway, if the deal is that tomorrow, federal support to Idaho is cut by some amount, AND Idahoan's federal income taxes are cut by the same ratio, I'm sure many (middle class people and up at least), would sign onto that in a second.
Only the poor would be screwed in that scenario. Last edited by molson : 06-29-2010 at 06:21 PM. |
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EDIT: I could care less about this as I don't support most of the federal programs. So don't get mad if I leave this debate to you and Molson as I feel like I am starting to defend Republicans who I care about even less than Democrats. Last edited by panerd : 06-29-2010 at 06:22 PM. |
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06-29-2010, 06:50 PM | #10005 | |
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I would say the same thing about individuals. If a guy is collecting a welfare check to survive and then goes on and on bitching about the government, I'd call him a hypocrite. Just as I wouldn't call a rich guy a failure who went bankrupt having to support deadbeat family members. Last edited by RainMaker : 06-29-2010 at 06:51 PM. |
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06-29-2010, 06:51 PM | #10006 | |
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There's a whole lot of difference between auditing the Fed, which I would like to see, and returning our economy to the gold standard. Tying our economy and to a large extent the global economy to the price of a single commodity just isn't smart. Look at the price of gold over the last ten years. Do you really think it would have been a good idea to have that price fluctuation as the foundation of our currency?
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06-29-2010, 07:11 PM | #10007 | |
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I'm in favor of a full audit of the Fed FWIW.
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06-29-2010, 07:13 PM | #10008 | |
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06-29-2010, 07:17 PM | #10009 |
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I would not be surprised if she was their Queen whack-a-doo.
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06-29-2010, 09:42 PM | #10010 | |
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The richest, whitest, most Republican people in Idaho would completely agree with you. |
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06-30-2010, 01:42 PM | #10011 | |
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Want to stabilize the debt? Do nothing!
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06-30-2010, 02:05 PM | #10012 |
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Interesting open letter from Zogby to Silver. Not terribly surprised to see something like this as there have been complaints related to Silver's smug commentary at times.
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07-06-2010, 08:16 PM | #10017 |
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It's an advertisement. Silver has the goods on the Zogby interactive(as do lots of other folks). It's a seriously unreliable poll. Zogby's phone polls are better, but the interactive is total garbage.
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07-07-2010, 07:56 AM | #10018 | |
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I don't get how you can read the article you linked, yet think Silver is the smug one. |
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07-07-2010, 08:51 AM | #10019 | |
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Complaints almost always from pollsters ranked low in reliability by Silver's algorithms. Or, put another way, pollsters with a factual history of unreliable polls whose unreliability is made more clear by the way Silver exposes all of his data to the public. No sympathy. And Zogby's perhaps the worst of the well-known offenders and has been for years. |
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07-07-2010, 08:55 AM | #10020 | |
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Silver responds: FiveThirtyEight: Politics Done Right: A Note to John Zogby
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07-07-2010, 09:10 AM | #10021 |
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Interesting goings on in Hawaii. House and senate both passed a same-sex marriage bill (allowing same rights, without recognizing marriage I believe) and it was vetoed by the republican governor. She says it's such an important issue, the people should vote on it themselves, and not the elected leaders (that already banned same sex marriage). She says it's not the job for elected officials to have closed doors meetings and legislate something of such societal importance. So my question is, what is the point of the legislators if not to represent the people?
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07-07-2010, 10:54 AM | #10023 |
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Here's a considerably better critique than Zogby's op-ad(vert): Pollster.com: Rating Pollster Accuracy: How Useful?
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07-07-2010, 10:58 AM | #10024 | |
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Meh. Personally I'm glad he's not part of the back-slapping what's good for the goose is good for the gander insiders. We need more smug people in politics to cut through the bullshit.
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07-07-2010, 09:33 PM | #10025 | |
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07-12-2010, 12:10 PM | #10026 | |
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Deficit, schmeficit. At least he didn't say all tax cuts pay for themselves.
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07-12-2010, 01:31 PM | #10027 |
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fiscal irresponsibility FTW!!!
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07-12-2010, 01:52 PM | #10028 |
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No one talks about him much, but John Kyl might be my least favorite Senator for a variety of reasons, most of which are too boring to go into here.
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He's hardly alone. The McMahon commercials out of CT have her supporting a balanced budget amendment and a permanent extension of the Bush tax cuts, all without even mentioning a dollar of budget cuts.
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Did you know that Kyl is actually more popular than the average US Senator? Public Policy Polling: Senate Approval Ratings
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You take his name out of there and it sounds like something Palin would say, but, you would then have to question whether or not she actually said it because it doesn't meander enough.
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07-12-2010, 03:12 PM | #10033 | |
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It's called a "fuck the future...we baby boomers want to have our cake and eat it too" plan.
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07-12-2010, 03:14 PM | #10034 |
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I dunno why 30 and 40 somethings want to bicker amongst ourselves about stuff like abortion, etc. The real issue is old people, and how badly the 60-70 somethings are going to fuck up our way of life over the next 20-30 years.
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But 43 approve/ 40 disapprove is nothing to be proud of.
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Well, relative to most Senators, it's actually pretty good. And with disapproval ratings, I don't see much that's really meaningful. Let's see how many of those with big swings to the negative end up getting re-elected anyway. Likely there's a function of "disapprove but for very different reasons", further illustrating the depth of the divide among even residents of the same state, much less the nation. And then there's "disapprove but beats the hell out of the alternative", which is another sub-segment within those who disapprove.
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This isn't a GOP approach either. Both parties play this motto. Generation X and Y (which is mine) seems to be blamed for being lazy and irresponsible by the Boomers, but the Boomers never seem to look in the mirror. Just remember, we "pick" the nursing home when they are old. Only 20-to-30 years? I got a feeling it's going to a lot longer than that. Last edited by Galaxy : 07-12-2010 at 05:02 PM. |
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With Georgia unemployment higher than the National average, as well as a state budget crisis (in that education is being cut like nobody's business), what are the potential GOP candidates arguing over?
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I don't want to pull a MBBF (got this from another board, so I imagine it's a talking point right now) but this really distills the tone-deafness from the Obama Administration that has really got me thinking against voting for him again.
Obama Says Middle Name May Be Source of Israeli Skepticism - Political Hotsheet - CBS News
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Another winner from Kyl:
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Is Dick Cheney nearing the end of his life? This is from Talkingpointsmemo:
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triple dola!
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He sounds like an appropriate candidate to replace Jim Bunning.
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i do not think this word (forthright) means what he thinks it means:
forth·right (fôrthrt, frth-) adj. 1. Direct and without evasion; straightforward: |
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