Werewolf XXI - Werewolf goes to Hollywood - Game Over!! Death Eaters win!!

[dacman]

Originally Posted by Alan T

If we have a good wizard with the ability to break a tie, when they stand up to do so in public, it could publically clear them as a good wizard for everyone. Thats one additional person to add in our circle of trust. You can still get the vote you want to achieve by killing the person you want, plus validate another villager, it would be a win-win.

There are lots of possibilities in a tie:

1) Tie broken by normal methods -- sndvls dies -- we learn nothing extra

2) Tie broken by good wizard who voted for sndvls -- good guy vetted

3) Tie broken by good wizard who voted for WVUFan -- good guy seen as bad

4) Tie broken by bad wizard who voted for sndvls -- bad guy looks good (very unlikely given sndvls role, but possible)

5) Tie broken by bad wizard who voted for WVUFan -- bad guy looks bad

All that, of course, assumes the DE have some who can break ties and act in the DE's behalf. If there is a tie-breaker for good, there's likely to be one for bad to I think.

[Coder]

Originally Posted by dacman

I have not read one word of a HP book. I have not seen one minute of a HP movie. I understood perfectly well that SnDvls was lying. Are you seriously saying you didn't?

I didn't.. I seriously say I didn't.. maybe because it was 2 a.m., but I didn't.. like I stated in one of my posts, I believed it because of his claims that he knew nothing about HP, yet he had this dis-apparate thingy.. he wouldn't make that up.. and I spent like half an hour googling and wikiing disapparating..

I think I started to get doubts though, when st. cronin went on to say that "this seals it" and he voted for Sun because he thought someone else gave him the idea. But by then I was so tired I didn't know what to do.

[Neon_Chaos]

Someone hit the Avada Kedavara on me. My head's hurting. I've done my part. Got 2 DE's lynched in 2 days, and cleared 1 guy. Whoo.

[saldana]

the death of Sndvls sends you all to bed with a great feeling of strength. Two Death Eaters down in two days is luck that you could only dream of, but then you remember that two powerful members of your community were slain the night before, and some fear and trepidation comes back into your thoughts.

After several hours of uneasy sleep, you are awoken by a loud noise, the sound of somone knocking over a bin. Could the Death Eaters be that clumsy that they tripped on a garbage can, and hopefully alerted their victim before it was too late. That hope is dashed an instant later when you hear an incantation in the darkness. It is not the Killing Curse however that sends you to your windows to look out, but instead a cry of "Mors Mordre" rings through the village, and once again, over the house of Neon-Chaos glows the eeire and sinister Dark Mark.

As day breaks you one by one creep from your homes, hoping beyond hope that this Wizard who has led the charge against two Death Eaters in a row has somehow escaped death once again. As you enter his house however, you find the corpse of Neon_Chaossitting on his toilet, robes hiked up over his waist, his cold grey skin and empty eyes showing that he never saw or heard death approaching.

A futher search of his rooms finds a shallow stone bowl, exactly like the one that was in SnDvls chambers. A "pen-seve" he called it. The same silvery substance is swirling around in Neon's bowl. It is now clear that Neon_Chaoswas exactly what he claimed to be, a Legilimens.

It is now Day 3. Vote ends at 9:30pm tonight.

[Coffee Warlord]

Here's the single killer problem if we tied (and the vote did NOT go to SunD) last night.

We tie. Someone dies, Sun lives. A clever wolf would then leave Neon alive to view SunnyD, which would clear him, since he shows up on scans as a villager. Bam. There's a wolf who is very much in the clear.

That. Is. Bad.

[Coffee Warlord]

Well. No surprise there. You helped one helluva lot Neon. Time to pick up the log.

[Grammaticus]

Bullocks, I was hoping someone could protect him.

[dacman]

Originally Posted by Neon_Chaos

Someone hit the Avada Kedavara on me. My head's hurting. I've done my part. Got 2 DE's lynched in 2 days, and cleared 1 guy. Whoo.

Double ice cream scoops with a cherry on top.

[SnDvls]

[Grammaticus]

With Nine people voting for WVU, I am sure there are not nine DEs in there. So how do you separate the wheat from the chaff? I laid my logic out clearly. A tie is good to uncover another trusted person, period. I did not specify any trust for Sun. I was okay with going for a tie and validating something. I was also okay with letting Sun get lynched for that question to be settled. There are 2 reasons the vote outcome that Superman decided, was not changed.
1. Neons uncovering the mistake in Sun’s defense of magical use
2. Cronin pointing out there may be a Occu-something that allows Sun to cover his true feelings. That is why I kept asking if anyone had any other ideas on validating Sun if that happened
3. Sun’s stating he had multiple magic items – okay three reasons.

All three of those I stated firmly as problematic. Also, had the worst happened, Sun lived and Neon scanned him as okay, I was ready to NOT clear Sun and deal with that long term.

Bottom line is, I wanted to keep the heat on more than one person to keep everyone talking and see what we could get out of it, get a tie to validate a player and then address Sun.

[Poli]

Thanks for the help, Neon. You did a great job.

[Coffee Warlord]

Whelp. I'm coming out firing again. MrW, defend yourself. You've been very quiet, piled on quietly to Qwik in round one and did the whole "I'm not around" bit late last night to very nearly force a tie on SunnyD. Both you and Path have some explaining to do, but, since I feel you're really flying under the rader....

Vote MrWednesday

[JeeberD]

Holy crap, two Death Eaters in two days! Outstanding work fellas! It sucks that we lost Neon, though. It would have been really nice to get another scan or two out of him...

[dacman]

Yep, path12 and Mr. W are 1 and 1a in my book. So I'll go along with Mr. W if that's where we're going.

VOTE Mr. Wednesday

[Coder]

Well I won't be hurrying my vote this time.. but I'll be listening to what people are saying. Right now I'm leaning towards Neon's suggestions though.. the way things are, I'll be casting my vote on Alan T if nothing jumps out as more likely.

I'm still curious about Coffee . No evidence, just a gut feeling.

[Poli]

CW, that's radAr. Sorry, I'm a radar tech.

Agreed, I'm not comfortable with Mr.W right now either. I always wonder when people I consider big time players, power players if you will, slink in the shadows. I consider Mr. W one of those because usually he's able to drum up something worthwhile.

VOTE Mr. Wednesday

[Neon_Chaos]

[st.cronin]

(reposted from last day)

The following players cast votes on what are now known wizards:

SnDvls
AlanT (counting myself as a known human)
Dubb (later switched before Neon's reveal)
Qwik
Lathum
ardent (switch from Schmidty to Neon)
Jeeber

The following players (in order) jumped on the Qwik bandwagon:

RPI
Taz
AlanT
Mr. Wednesday
KWhit
Lathum
SnDvls
Jesse Ewok
Dubb
Desnudo

The following players posted after Neon's reveal, but did not change their votes:

Coffee Warlord
Kingfc


(yesterday's votes)

Coffee Warlord - vote dubb93
Coder - vote Coffee Warlord
SnDvls - vote Superman (clears Superman imo)
st.cronin - vote SnDvls
Lathum - vote Superman (known human)
dacman - vote SnDvls (clears dacman, imo)
Jeeber - vote Superman (known human)
king - vote SnDvls (possible clear on king)
Raiders Army - vote WVUFan
dubb - vote WVUFan
Lathum - unvote Superman
Jeeber - unvote Superman, vote WVUFan
Sun - vote WVU
Gram - vote SnDvls
WVUFan - vote SnDvls
Coffee Warlord - vote SnDvls
dubb - unvote WVUFan, vote Pass
ardent - vote Coffee Warlord
Gram - unvote SnDvls
Jesse - Vote SnDvls
dubb - unvote pass, vote SnDvls
Gram - vote WVUFan
Desnudo - vote Coffee Warlord
Lathum - vote SnDvls
AlanT - vote Coffee Warlord
path12 - vote Passacaglia
desnudo - unvote Coffee Warlord
RPI-Fan - vote Mr. Wednesday
desnudo - vote Coffee Warlord
path - vote Passacaglia
ardent - unvote Coffee Warlord, vote WVUFan
Schmidty - vote SnDvls (clears Schmidty, imo)
dubb - unvote SnDvls, vote WVUFan (somewhat shady vote)
Taz - vote Superman
RPI - unvote Mr. Wednesday, vote Passacaglia
Passacaglia - vote SnDvls
Superman - vote Coffee Warlord
AlanT - unvote Coffee Warlord, vote WVUFan
dubb - unvote WVUFan, vote SnDvls
KWhit - vote WVUFan
path12 - vote WVUFan
Mr. Wednesday - vote WVUFan
Superman - unvote Coffee Warlord, vote SnDvls

[Coffee Warlord]

Originally Posted by ardent enthusiast

CW, that's radAr. Sorry, I'm a radar tech.

Agreed, I'm not comfortable with Mr.W right now either. I always wonder when people I consider big time players, power players if you will, slink in the shadows. I consider Mr. W one of those because usually he's able to drum up something worthwhile.

VOTE Mr. Wednesday

Heh. Yes, I know damn well what radar is, thank you.

And I can't even edit my typo since it's a vote post! Noooooo!

[Poli]

[st.cronin]

My circle of trust is

Superman
Schmidty
dacman
dubb

My suspects are Jeeber and Lathum.

VOTE LATHUM
and perhaps king

[st.cronin]

dola

sorry, the vote somehow got moved up a few lines

King is sort of in my circle of trust.

[Coder]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

dola

sorry, the vote somehow got moved up a few lines

King is sort of in my circle of trust.

I had some ideas about Lathum early, but then CW caught my eye. I can't remember now exactly why I figured Lathum for a deatheater though. Is there anything specific you're thinking about?

[st.cronin]

UNVOTE LATHUM

just realized ... he voted for SnDvls, and didn't change his vote (unless I missed it)

[st.cronin]

VOTE JEEBERD

Twice voted for known humans, and has been incredibly quiet.

[Alan T]

While I think its possible that at least 1 DE might have voted for sndvls, with the vote being so close, I think its less likely than day 1 where it seemed an obvious lynch vote. I don't think we can rule out everyone who voted for Sndvls, but probably should focus to start on those who didnt:

Coder - vote Coffee Warlord
Raiders Army - vote WVUFan
Jeeber - unvote Superman, vote WVUFan
Gram - vote WVUFan
desnudo - vote Coffee Warlord
ardent - unvote Coffee Warlord, vote WVUFan
Taz - vote Superman
RPI - unvote Mr. Wednesday, vote Passacaglia
AlanT - unvote Coffee Warlord, vote WVUFan
KWhit - vote WVUFan
path12 - vote WVUFan
Mr. Wednesday - vote WVUFan

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by Coder

I had some ideas about Lathum early, but then CW caught my eye. I can't remember now exactly why I figured Lathum for a deatheater though. Is there anything specific you're thinking about?

I am only looking at votes, not reasons. I'm looking at people who on days 1 and 2 voted for known humans, and who used their votes to try to save SnDvls. Jeeber fits the bill.

[Coder]

Just went back and read up on some of the events from last night.. this is going strictly one what SnDvls was saying and his late vote for WVU..

Vote Mr Wednesday

[Coder]

I can't believe I'm actually voting for the same guy that CW is voting for

[st.cronin]

Mr. Wednesday was pretty fast on the trigger on voting for Qwik on day 1. He could be a death-eater, but I'm not really convinced.

[Coder]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

Mr. Wednesday was pretty fast on the trigger on voting for Qwik on day 1. He could be a death-eater, but I'm not really convinced.

It just feels like he was suspicious before, and his late rally to tilt the vote away from SunDvls feels sinister enough for me.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Originally Posted by dacman

By last minute I meant last minute.

path12 and Mr. W voted for WVUFan at like 11:59pm. Those 2 need to explain themselves or I'm going after them.

Keep reading, I have explained myself.

I was 100% sold after reading Neon's stuff (hell I was 90% sold by Coffee's initial point). Mr. W you were less certain? LESS???? LOL.

Initially, I was certain that SnDvls should be saved (incorrectly, obviously). As you might expect, Neon's argument left me rather less than certain.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

UNVOTE LATHUM

just realized ... he voted for SnDvls, and didn't change his vote (unless I missed it)

He not only voted for SnDvls, he was one of the principle inquisitors before Neon took up the slack.

[saldana]

as a new day of discussions begins, you still lack the answer to one question...were the Death Eaters that attacked Neon so clumsy as to have knocked over a trash bin? a search of the town takes place, and although it is originally thought that nothing was found, as one of you walks through the Square, their foot catches on something silvery and gossamer on the ground. You all immediately run over, as a badly torn Invisibility Cloak is lifted from the ground. It is torn nearly in two down the back, and since there is no body anywhere nearby, it is clear that the wearer is still among you. Murmers run throughout the crowd, and the answer comes to many of you at once. Death Eaters don't wear invisibility cloaks....

[Mr. Wednesday]

Originally Posted by ardent enthusiast

Agreed, I'm not comfortable with Mr.W right now either. I always wonder when people I consider big time players, power players if you will, slink in the shadows. I consider Mr. W one of those because usually he's able to drum up something worthwhile.

You've played enough games with me to know that I'm usually pretty laid back in the early going.

[Coder]

Originally Posted by saldana

as a new day of discussions begins, you still lack the answer to one question...were the Death Eaters that attacked Neon so clumsy as to have knocked over a trash bin? a search of the town takes place, and although it is originally thought that nothing was found, as one of you walks through the Square, their foot catches on something silvery and gossamer on the ground. You all immediately run over, as a badly torn Invisibility Cloak is lifted from the ground. It is torn nearly in two down the back, and since there is no body anywhere nearby, it is clear that the wearer is still among you. Murmers run throughout the crowd, and the answer comes to many of you at once. Death Eaters don't wear invisibility cloaks....

Does this mean that someone wearing the invisibility cloak followed a death-eater and witnessed the killing?

[Coffee Warlord]

Originally Posted by Mr. Wednesday

Keep reading, I have explained myself.

Initially, I was certain that SnDvls should be saved (incorrectly, obviously). As you might expect, Neon's argument left me rather less than certain.

Ordinarily, I'd of accepted you having RL stuff. We've all been there in these games. However, you AND path hopping in at precisely the same time to do precisely the same thing concerns me greatly.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by Coder

Does this mean that someone wearing the invisibility cloak followed a death-eater and witnessed the killing?

I hope so.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

Whelp. I'm coming out firing again. MrW, defend yourself.

My defense (such as it is) is laid out over the last three pages or so. When one has done something that turns out to have been a very bad move, there's only so much you can say about it -- I can explain myself until I'm blue in the face and blather endlessly about pointlessly throwing away a vote on a wizard or some such, but nothing's going to hide the fact that there's a lot of logic in voting for me or the other one who created the tie at the last minute.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by Coder

Does this mean that someone wearing the invisibility cloak followed a death-eater and witnessed the killing?

I think that would be best case. Im guessing they had the chance to choose someone to spy on with it last night. Hopefully whoever had it chose to watch Neon last night with it as the main target and witnessed what happened to him.

Getting a third DE in 3 days would be outstanding.

[dacman]

Originally Posted by Coder

Does this mean that someone wearing the invisibility cloak followed a death-eater and witnessed the killing?

I hope so, but my first thought was that Neon was assassinated and the DEs did not get a normal kill last night.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by dacman

I hope so, but my first thought was that Neon was assassinated and the DEs did not get a normal kill last night.

How does that work?

[Coder]

Leaving work now and won't be able to check in for the next few hours.. but my vote for Wednesday stands.

[dubb93]

As I said yesterday I'm not fan of Wednesday after the crap he pulled yesterday, but I fear a runaway bandwagon if I jump on at this point so I'll take another suspect...

VOTE PATH12

[Coffee Warlord]

Originally Posted by Mr. Wednesday

My defense (such as it is) is laid out over the last three pages or so. When one has done something that turns out to have been a very bad move, there's only so much you can say about it -- I can explain myself until I'm blue in the face and blather endlessly about pointlessly throwing away a vote on a wizard or some such, but nothing's going to hide the fact that there's a lot of logic in voting for me or the other one who created the tie at the last minute.

What's your take on who to look at, then?

[Mr. Wednesday]

Originally Posted by dacman

I hope so, but my first thought was that Neon was assassinated and the DEs did not get a normal kill last night.

Considering the mark in the sky, I think that's pretty unlikely.

[dacman]

Originally Posted by Alan T

How does that work?

Not sure if it does -- it was just the first thing that popped into my head. A invisible witness makes a little more sense.

[st.cronin]

If somebody had a one-time witness type skill, they should come forward, no?

[Coffee Warlord]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

If somebody had a one-time witness type skill, they should come forward, no?

Hell, I originally thought (and it's still not a half bad idea) for em to come forward, one time use or not. We're WAY ahead. However, the potential for a fake reveal concerns the hell out of me.

[Coffee Warlord]

Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

Hell, I originally thought (and it's still not a half bad idea) for em to come forward, one time use or not. We're WAY ahead. However, the potential for a fake reveal concerns the hell out of me.

Although, considering it'd wind up being a 1 for 1...that might not be a problem either.