Werewolf XX - Of Demons and Elementals (Humans Win!)

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by path12

*shrug* You can think what you'd like. I am not lying.

Didnt say who was lying...just i doubt coffee created two, or three, roles just for tiebreakers when we also have a duke...just seems like too many roles effecting the vote, and 3 for ties which are rare..id say 2 of you are telling the truth and 1 lying. Tell me what your role said in regards to be behind WVU in order of tie breaker, if you dont mind. Taz skirted around that part. In other words, why did WVU break a tie over you

[path12]

It just said that there was another role that carried the first tiebreaker, and that I would be notified if my role came into effect. Which I was.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by path12

It just said that there was another role that carried the first tiebreaker, and that I would be notified if my role came into effect. Which I was.

It made no mention of Taz or another person being in order before or after you?

[path12]

Nope, just said there was a first tiebreaker role.

[Blade6119]

very interesting...thank you for that information...that could be very useful in time

[path12]

Going to bed now. Probably not back before the vote, should be interesting.

[hoopsguy]

I don't think my vote is going to carry the day here with the guys on Gram. Even then, it is likely getting turned over. So ...

VOTE ARDENT ENTHUSIAST

Don't want to see him left out of the conversation as we move into the next day.

[Blade6119]

i repeat hoops, i dont know if i can duke gramat if he is already to be lynched...so either everyone needs to vote for someone else or ill have to pick someone else before i go to bed in a few minutes

[hoopsguy]

Blade, I'll be up in the morning. If it looks like the vote would come down to my decision, I'll be in position to move it. But as it looks now Gram is going to be voted with or without me.

And then it will be up to you to decide where to go from there.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Blade, I'll be up in the morning. If it looks like the vote would come down to my decision, I'll be in position to move it. But as it looks now Gram is going to be voted with or without me.

And then it will be up to you to decide where to go from there.

I wont be up for the lynch, hence why im talking to you now...what course of action do you feel is best?

[hoopsguy]

I'm worried about Gram, frankly. I don't know why Cronin is clearing him and if he is voting in a way that is good for the team. And since I don't completely trust that recommendation I'm tempted to suggest SnDvls.

As stupid as it sounds, Dacman might be the safe kill unless the elementals are allowed to use their kill power as they are being offed (a la brutal wolf) instead of only as a night action. That way you know you are not taking out a human role. Pussy move, but there is a good chance we are getting a human back via resurrection.

I'm really hoping that the following night helps to clear up some of the mystery out there right now. The demons have a lot of bogies out there right now, which makes their choice interesting. I'm just hoping that the elementals don't give them a hand in reducing the human count.

[hoopsguy]

Correction to my post - I don't know why Cronin is clearing SnDvls and fingering Gram.

[Blade6119]

Im not sure we can afford to sit back and wait with a dacman kill. If im to believe some people, we have 1-2 days left...gramat has had no support so far, and that worries me...you still sure cronin is good?

[hoopsguy]

Guess it depends on how you define good ... I'm sure he isn't a demon.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Guess it depends on how you define good ... I'm sure he isn't a demon.

Hmmmm, that just flipped a few switches..though i still see you in the same role...lets see how to phrase this question...

Do you think you its possible you are competing with sun in any way?

[hoopsguy]

Nope, not in any way that I can figure.

I'm hoping the above is not new information to you ... had thought I had been both direct and indirect with it before now.

[hoopsguy]

Not competing with SnDvls, that is ... pretty sure my role is unique in the game and that there is no established relationship with SnDvls.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Nope, not in any way that I can figure.

I'm hoping the above is not new information to you ... had thought I had been both direct and indirect with it before now.

It fits with what i think about you, im just covering all my angles i can with indirect questions.

Do you think killing cronin would be detrimental to the humans?

[hoopsguy]

There are other people I would protect before Cronin, if push came to shove. I still don't think he is a good lynch for today because he is not a demon.

[hoopsguy]

Note - protect doesn't imply anything other than prioritize in voting. I don't have a bodyguard role.

[TazFTW]

Originally Posted by path12

Or three.

Or it could have been four. Knowing what I know of my role and how it turned out to be related to WVUFan. I am thinking Schmidty also had the same role as me based on the description of his room.

If I am correct in this ID then if there really is a role(or roles) that resurrects the dead, I would not resurrect Schmidty as he only has the tie breaking power.

Of course I'm also wondering about this resurrecting the dead power. It would seem to be a night action. So subject A gets resurrected night 0, gets to lynch vote day 1, and then will die again from a demon kill night 1? I mean the resurrected person will not be able to use their power before they're killed. Unless the resurrected has a "shield" that prevents him from being killed right away.

I do have to say that from what path12 has revealed, I believe him to be human. Big progress from my point of view as I had him lined up as an under the radar demon.

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

So how do both of you break ties?

My role being the role that he is, in the case of a tie lynch vote my vote counts as double.

[Blade6119]

I know...so far on the same page as you it seems.

Do you believe cronin might have a relationship with any of the already known roles?

[hoopsguy]

Taz, on the raise/vote/die scenario, it depends on how the demons want to play their hand the following night and if there is someone who can intervene to protect that recently resurrected guy. Quite a few variables that could certainly cause it to go another direction.

Of course, if they tried 2x to kill Saldana earlier then the demons are probably stubborn enough to kill the raised guy again ... but any attempts to guess their collective play is speculation.

[hoopsguy]

Blade, I'm sure he does. Just wondering how direct his relationship is with how many roles.

[Blade6119]

Would there be another person still alive who would also know his role?

[hoopsguy]

At least one. Very possibly more, but none of them are talking.

[Blade6119]

Another answer just as i expected..good...lets move from there to one other line of questioning...

Would you classify dubb in the role group as cronin or a seperate one?

[hoopsguy]

Separate.

[Blade6119]

wonderful, i would now ask one last question:

Were any of those too direct? I think i learned everything i need too, and now have a decision to make on who to kill tonight...if i understand everything correctly, i may just change up what i was planning after all

[hoopsguy]

Info is out there to be seen, but I wouldn't have answered if I didn't want to.

In fact, there is very little there that I haven't said over the first 950 posts. This is just more concise. Which is fine, hope it helps you with your decision and we'll see where we are tomorrow.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Info is out there to be seen, but I wouldn't have answered if I didn't want to.

In fact, there is very little there that I haven't said over the first 950 posts. This is just more concise. Which is fine, hope it helps you with your decision and we'll see where we are tomorrow.

Honestly it just confirmed what i thought before hand...I differ with you on one view i have stated publicly, and its a key reasoning for why i might move this vote off gramat. I hope im right in my assumption of the motives of cronin clearing sun, as they are a strong basis for my decision about swapping it to sun today

[hoopsguy]

K, now I'm going to bed. Catch you tomorrow.

[Blade6119]

sleep tight buddy, see you tomorrow prob. post deadline where i either get praised or cursed

[Blade6119]

Dola, and if your a demon bravo on a nice play hoops. As of now you have me fairly convinced your a good guy. Now that will all prob. change if sun comes up good. But if sun is bad then i trust you whole heartedly

[dubb93]

Been really busy. Hoping to read through the thread more complete tomorrow, just scanned a few posts here and there. I know Hoops says Cronin isn't human and isn't bad, but I'm not completely convinced. If he is the other, he has to have some motive, that may not be good for us humans.

VOTE ST. CRONIN

Tomorrow I should be back more to my normal playing style, just been busy and partying alot.

I saw that this seemed to be the popular thing to do, so incase there is an empath in this game...

I AM NOT A DEMON ON DAY 3!

[TazFTW]

Might as well get a vote in now since I won't be around for a few hours leading up to the deadline. Some thoughts

I'm still unsure of Barkeep. A) He has voted for me. B) If he is creative enough to create a WW game, he is creative enough to ad-lib a role. That said, if Barkeep is telling the truth and he is going to resurrect someone then I'm going to not vote for him at this point in time.

I might have voted for Grammaticus but I agree with blade about no one trying to save him and it looks like he is a human who hasn't been online to defend himself.

I have been thinking about voting for dacman because in post #724, he says the elementals were not involved with the kills (king/saldana). If he is telling the truth and my interpretation of the rules are correct then he still has a kill power. He is still a threat because of that.

I have to say hoops' vote for Ardent intrigues me because I had been thinking that Ardent has been pretty active and has hardly any suspicion thrown his way. As such,

VOTE Ardent Enthusiast

[Barkeep49]

I see Blade made a good point about him not being able to use his Duke role if Grammaticus is already the leading vote getter. Do we know for sure that he sent in the vote on him? I will be around right before deadline and would be willing to change my vote, if need be, as clearing as many people as possible is very important for us. The fact that more people are now claiming to have tie breaking votes makes me reconsider, only slightly, my feelings on Taz. Regardless my #1 priority for the day is to vote in such a way that Blade uses his power and so if I need to vote for someone so Gram isn't lynched, so be it.

[st.cronin]

To answer hoopsguy's question

SnDvls and Gram are the only two players I have direct knowledge of. I have suspicions regarding several other players, including path (suspected demon), hoops, ardent and pass (suspected humans).

I'm being a little circumspect and not just coming out with my reasons and role, because I'm concerned the demons know too much about who is who (human vs. elemental, special role humans), and would like for them to be a little hesitant about who to go after.

[st.cronin]

dola

Why have we not heard from Gram? Why has he been silent? There has been plenty of time for him to come forward and defend himself. Does it make ANY sense to move your votes off him without him even posting?

[hoopsguy]

Anyone have a vote total running?

Cronin, I understand keeping some of your cards to yourself; I have done the same thing this game despite talking a great deal about other players. In your particular case, it is just making it a little tougher for me to decide to fully back you.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Anyone have a vote total running?

Cronin, I understand keeping some of your cards to yourself; I have done the same thing this game despite talking a great deal about other players. In your particular case, it is just making it a little tougher for me to decide to fully back you.

I am fairly confident I know your role, hoopsguy, and you're being very, very shady with it - be careful you don't end up dead.

I am giving you guys a sure fire demon today. I can probably do the same tomorrow; given enough time I will know every demon. Consider me an oracle of sorts.

[hoopsguy]

I hate being dead (don't mind being shady in the right context), but I'm not sure how much more value my role has at this point. I believe I have all the information I am likely to get from it. If others are being honest about their roles I don't think I'm target #1 tonight but time will tell.

Hope I don't regret this ...
UNVOTE ARDENT ENTHUSIAST

[hoopsguy]

VOTE GRAMMATICUS

[Barkeep49]

Vote count:
Ardent 1
Cronin 1
Gram 3
Barkeep 1
Taz 1

Has not voted yet: Gram
Needs to revote: WVU

[Poli]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

I don't think my vote is going to carry the day here with the guys on Gram. Even then, it is likely getting turned over. So ...

VOTE ARDENT ENTHUSIAST

Don't want to see him left out of the conversation as we move into the next day.

Good morning to you...sort of. I'm still tired. I hate that drive.

[Barkeep49]

HOOPS: THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT! IF YOU BELIEVE BLADE SENT IN HIS DUKE ON GRAM YOU SHOULD NOT VOTE FOR HIM.

I have my vote out there as well. Right now it would only take a couple of votes to swing things away from Gram and I have one, and you have one. If, on the other hand, Blade is duking someone else, please by all means keep your vote on Gram.

[Poli]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

I hate being dead (don't mind being shady in the right context), but I'm not sure how much more value my role has at this point. I believe I have all the information I am likely to get from it. If others are being honest about their roles I don't think I'm target #1 tonight but time will tell.

Hope I don't regret this ...
UNVOTE ARDENT ENTHUSIAST

That's better.

[Poli]

I'm tired, but from what I'm reading you want me to switch my vote correct, so blade can duke it out?

[hoopsguy]

Barkeep, I have zero idea where Blade has his vote at this point. Which is what I think he wanted at the end of the night. His last post seemed to indicate he was going after SnDvls.

Coffee, can the duke still use his power to validate a vote rather than to overturn it and cast on someone else?

[hoopsguy]

Ardent, didn't hear you honk last night. Which was probably good, as the wife would have been miffed

I've done the drive to St. Louis and it isnt' a particularly fun one.