NFL 2016 Head Coaching and Offseason Stuff

[cartman]

Rolando McClain gets a 10 game suspension for violating the substance abuse policy.

[mckerney]

Originally Posted by NobodyHere

The bigger question is can Jim Irsay afford his pills anymore.

Irsay already found a cheap way to get his pills.

Bring unused or expired Rx prescriptions for safe disposal to #ColtsCamp on 8/9 & receive the 2014 highlight DVD! http://t.co/1iZAPMg60c

— Indianapolis Colts (@Colts) August 6, 2015

[NobodyHere]

Originally Posted by mckerney

Irsay already found a cheap way to get his pills.

Bring unused or expired Rx prescriptions for safe disposal to #ColtsCamp on 8/9 & receive the 2014 highlight DVD! http://t.co/1iZAPMg60c

— Indianapolis Colts (@Colts) August 6, 2015

Wait, is this for realz?

[Abe Sargent]

So the Jags have a daily column on their website each day of teh week, and have ever since it began. I write in and get answered. This is my first time since moving to Mobile though, and I was responding to the claim yesterday by the Jags reporter that Marino was the best QB of all time, and I said it was Otto Graham. So yay!

O-Zone: Wonderful warmth

[JonInMiddleGA]

Ya know, I'm kind of a stickler, an authoritarian type and all. But honestly, Arians comes off like an asshole with some serious issues in this story to me.

Arizona Cardinals cut Olympian in 2015 for parking in wrong spot - Arizona Cardinals Blog- ESPN

[stevew]

Theres a behind the scenes show about the Cards last year and it's quite good. I dunno what it's called

[EagleFan]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Arians comes off like an asshole with some serious issues in this story to me.

Arians is an asshole with serious issues, so your read is correct.

[Thomkal]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Ya know, I'm kind of a stickler, an authoritarian type and all. But honestly, Arians comes off like an asshole with some serious issues in this story to me.

Arizona Cardinals cut Olympian in 2015 for parking in wrong spot - Arizona Cardinals Blog- ESPN

well being a Cards fan its hard for me to say anything negative about Arians. His players seem to love him. This does seem like a bizarre rule. But I find it hard he would cut someone who had real talent and could help the team for breaking a rule. I don't know this player, so can't speak to his talent.

I will say that all coaches have rules, and you are expected to follow them. So bizarre or not, you better follow them if you want to stay on the team.

[bhlloy]

I get a sort of Jonathan Martin vibe a little from this story - some of Arians previous comments about Okoye and the Oxford make me think he was a bit of a different dude who probably wasn't the most cut out for an NFL locker room or a tough love coach, and the car parking thing is Arians best shot at explaining why they let him go at such an odd time of the season

Thomkal, no offense but I don't think Larry Fitzgerald is getting cut for parking in a spot reserved for fans. I think there's a ton more to the story here.

[Thomkal]

Jags player Denard Robinson fell asleep (and his passenger) at the wheel and his car went into a retention pond at 4:30 in the morning. Could have been tragic, but both are safe now:

Denard Robinson asleep at the wheel when police find him in a pond - Big Cat Country

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by bhlloy

I get a sort of Jonathan Martin vibe a little from this story - some of Arians previous comments about Okoye and the Oxford make me think he was a bit of a different dude who probably wasn't the most cut out for an NFL locker room or a tough love coach, and the car parking thing is Arians best shot at explaining why they let him go at such an odd time of the season

Thomkal, no offense but I don't think Larry Fitzgerald is getting cut for parking in a spot reserved for fans. I think there's a ton more to the story here.

Yeah, my other takeaway from it was how utterly interchangeable a lot of low-profile parts really are. I know there's a considerable amount of disposability with most pro athletes but, if you're cutting a guy for this, then we're talking about Walmart/Burger King level kind of value-over-replacement.

[Thomkal]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Ya know, I'm kind of a stickler, an authoritarian type and all. But honestly, Arians comes off like an asshole with some serious issues in this story to me.

Arizona Cardinals cut Olympian in 2015 for parking in wrong spot - Arizona Cardinals Blog- ESPN

Originally Posted by bhlloy

I get a sort of Jonathan Martin vibe a little from this story - some of Arians previous comments about Okoye and the Oxford make me think he was a bit of a different dude who probably wasn't the most cut out for an NFL locker room or a tough love coach, and the car parking thing is Arians best shot at explaining why they let him go at such an odd time of the season

Thomkal, no offense but I don't think Larry Fitzgerald is getting cut for parking in a spot reserved for fans. I think there's a ton more to the story here.

That was my point when I said someone with real talent wouldn't have been cut. Of course Fitzgerald wouldn't have been cut. Maybe fined. From the comments, I assume Okoye wanted to go to Oxford more than play in the NFL. Arians tone seemed to be a joking one to me, though perhaps a bit degrading. Hard to say when we don't know the full story-did Okoye file a complaint, start a "twitter war" over it? Then I would take it more seriously.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Thomkal

Jags player Denard Robinson fell asleep (and his passenger) at the wheel and his car went into a retention pond at 4:30 in the morning. Could have been tragic, but both are safe now:

Denard Robinson asleep at the wheel when police find him in a pond - Big Cat Country

Better yet, the local coverage indicates that police responded to the call at .. yep, you guessed it ... 4:20

[Thomkal]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Better yet, the local coverage indicates that police responded to the call at .. yep, you guessed it ... 4:20

Hah, I didn't catch the reference when I first read the report. How Ironic

[JAG]

Powerful article here, from Ricardo Lockette (who I hadn't realized retired):

“Am I About to Die?” | The Players' Tribune

[JonInMiddleGA]

En route to Cutsville maybe?

Browns say “just an apology” insufficient for Crowell after “unacceptable” post | ProFootballTalk

[BishopMVP]

Does anyone think Josh Gordon might still be reinstated for 2016?

Deciding my last keeper spot in dynasty & it's between him & JJ Nelson. I suppose Jimmy Graham, Kyle Rudolph, Justin Hardy & David Cobb are on the table too. 12 keepers, so I do have Jarvis Landry, Kelvin Benjamin, DeSean Jackson & Nelson Agholor too and can afford to make a risky play.

[Shkspr]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

En route to Cutsville maybe?

Browns say “just an apology” insufficient for Crowell after “unacceptable” post | ProFootballTalk

If you really want to punish him, force him to sign a five year deal to stay in Cleveland.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Shkspr

If you really want to punish him, force him to sign a five year deal to stay in Cleveland.

Eh, that seems like it'd be punishing the Browns though.

The guy has always been an asshat, not all that likely he's going to change his spots.

[Thomkal]

Originally Posted by Shkspr

If you really want to punish him, force him to sign a five year deal to stay in Cleveland.

speaking of the Browns, more bad news, this time on the injury front:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300...le-has-surgery

[SirFozzie]

So, Brady is not going to appeal DeflateGate to the Supreme Court.

Part of me is disappointed that Brady won't be taking Goodell to the Supreme Court, I think the whole thing was a travesty where the NFL played Calvinball with their own rule set because the Pats had been too good for too long, but I can understand just wanting it over and done with.

I hope the pats go 16-0, win the superbowl, and have that slimy conniving Fuck Goodell have to smile and hand over the Lombardi trophy.

[Kodos]

The Pats weren't targeted because they were so good. They were targeted because they were cheating.

[cuervo72]

I still hope the Pats go 2-14 for the next twenty years.

[wustin]

Nothing better than an angry Tom Brady. I hope everyone gets their popcorn ready for this postseason.

[molson]

It will be interesting to see if Handsome Jimmy shows enough to stay on track as Brady's successor.

And I hope the Patriots and Brady don't play "angry" after that. I think the whole anger narrative is really just fans living vicariously through the team. Emotion isn't usually going to be the reason for success at the high levels of sports, at least in the long run.

[mckerney]

Originally Posted by Kodos

The Pats weren't targeted because they were so good. They were targeted because they were cheating.

[Kodos]

Originally Posted by wustin

Nothing better than an angry Tom Brady. I hope everyone gets their popcorn ready for this postseason.

How come angry Tom Brady didn't win it all last year, if he is to be so very feared?

[Kodos]

Originally Posted by mckerney

Do you concede that they have a history of cheating. For instance, Spygate?

[Logan]

Originally Posted by SirFozzie

So, Brady is not going to appeal DeflateGate to the Supreme Court.

Part of me is disappointed that Brady won't be taking Goodell to the Supreme Court

You know he was never actually going to get to the Supreme Court, right?

[JPhillips]

Why can't we all get along?

They were targeted because they were good at cheating.

Now let's all sing Kumbaya.

[mckerney]

Originally Posted by Kodos

Do you concede that they have a history of cheating. For instance, Spygate?

They have a history of being more harshly punished than other teams for rules violations, but if you think a, "history of cheating," being having someone stand in the wrong location while filming justifies punishment with zero evidence here then so be it. Don't try to make it out like they're the Denver Broncos though.

[SirFozzie]

Originally Posted by Kodos

The Pats weren't targeted because they were so good. They were targeted because they were cheating.

Bullshit. The NFL has not come out with one piece of evidence that the balls were illegally deflated that hasn't been revealed as a lie. (Stuff the NFL KNEW was a lie, and yet they haven't corrected it yet

[bob]

Originally Posted by Kodos

How come angry Tom Brady didn't win it all last year, if he is to be so very feared?

Maybe I'm getting old, but once I saw this comment, I had to good look who actually did win. I had totally forgotten....

[molson]

I don't know what Brady did with his balls, but it's pretty clear now that scientific conclusions relied on by the NFL have been debunked. That doesn't mean Brady still wouldn't have been found guilty if the NFL went about their case more competently with different evidence. But none of that matters when it comes to the legal challenges since then. The NFLPA agreed to this discipline appellate process, and it seems the NFL did work within it.

Odds of the Supreme Court taking the case were slim but I'm surprised they didn't go for it after they hired Ted Olson and got the one dissenting opinion in the 2nd Circuit. Maybe Brady just got tired of going to meetings with lawyers.

[ISiddiqui]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

Why can't we all get along?

They were targeted because they were good at cheating.

Now let's all sing Kumbaya.

I'm good with this .

[jeff061]

I'm looking forward to see what Jimmy can do.

[wustin]

Originally Posted by Kodos

How come angry Tom Brady didn't win it all last year, if he is to be so very feared?

Denver's pass rushers were angrier or something.

[Radii]

Originally Posted by SirFozzie

I think the whole thing was a travesty where the NFL played Calvinball with their own rule set because the Pats had been too good for too long

Wait what? I stopped following this side shit ages ago so maybe this is a common claim and I am just isolated from it. But what?

In the NBA we all cry conspiracy because its good for the league when big city teams are good, we all cry conspiracy because the team with the stars (loved or hated) advances in the playoffs and the refs weren't perfect, so of course the NBA wants to prop up the dynasties b/c its best for the league, that's just common sense!

But in the NFL the conspiracy is that they're actively trying to tear down the dynasty, and the storylines with their best and most popular players and franchises, becuase... why?


I know the deflategate case had issues and I get the idea that there were a lot of fuckups, but the big bad NFL wants to destroy their best and most successful franchise and most popular player over the last 15 years b/c that would be good for them?

SHURG.

[Thomkal]

Originally Posted by SirFozzie

So, Brady is not going to appeal DeflateGate to the Supreme Court.

Part of me is disappointed that Brady won't be taking Goodell to the Supreme Court, I think the whole thing was a travesty where the NFL played Calvinball with their own rule set because the Pats had been too good for too long, but I can understand just wanting it over and done with.

I hope the pats go 16-0, win the superbowl, and have that slimy conniving Fuck Goodell have to smile and hand over the Lombardi trophy.

woohoo! (well except the last part with the Pats going 16-0)

[SirFozzie]

Originally Posted by Radii

Wait what? I stopped following this side shit ages ago so maybe this is a common claim and I am just isolated from it. But what?

In the NBA we all cry conspiracy because its good for the league when big city teams are good, we all cry conspiracy because the team with the stars (loved or hated) advances in the playoffs and the refs weren't perfect, so of course the NBA wants to prop up the dynasties b/c its best for the league, that's just common sense!

But in the NFL the conspiracy is that they're actively trying to tear down the dynasty, and the storylines with their best and most popular players and franchises, becuase... why?


I know the deflategate case had issues and I get the idea that there were a lot of fuckups, but the big bad NFL wants to destroy their best and most successful franchise and most popular player over the last 15 years b/c that would be good for them?

SHURG.

. The widespread perception that Goodell gave the Patriots a break on Spygate, followed by the NFL's stonewalling of a potential congressional investigation into the matter, shaped owners' expectations of what needed to be done by 345 Park Ave. on Deflategate.

It was, one owner says, time for "a makeup call."

Or:

But to the many owners who saw the Patriots as longtime cheaters, it really didn't matter that Goodell appeared eager, perhaps overeager, to show the rest of the NFL that he had learned the lessons of Spygate. One team owner acknowledges that for years there was a "jealous ... hater" relationship among many owners with Kraft, the residue of Spygate. "It's not surprising that there's a makeup call," one team owner says. Another longtime executive says a number of owners wanted Goodell to "go hard on this one."

From Spygate to Deflategate: Inside what split the NFL and New England Patriots apart

So never mind that the evidence was flawed, never mind that the punishment didn't fit the crime, the rest of the owners wanted Kraft and the Patriots pulled down because they've been too good for too long, and Goodell, who maintains his job solely at the pleasure of the owners, gave in.

[Logan]

How did you get "because they've been too good for too long" from those quotes which state it was because of how lax the punishments have been in the past?

[Kodos]

Pay more attention to the longtime cheaters part, Foz.

[NobodyHere]

Originally Posted by wustin

Denver's pass rushers were angrier or something.

Well Von Miller is one happy man today methinks.

[SirFozzie]

Originally Posted by Kodos

Pay more attention to the longtime cheaters part, Foz.

Except in this case, THERE WAS NO FUCKING CHEATING.

None. ZIP. ZERO.

Even going against the damn referee's best recollection of what gauge he used, the Wells Report couldn't find jackshit to suggest there was, other then "Herp a derp, the balls were low on pressure". When that naturally happens due to temperature and moisture.

[JonInMiddleGA]

And where do we end up? At the same place we've been for quite a while.

Lovers gonna love and typically blindly defend.
Haters still hate, cause it's one of the dirtiest franchises in U.S. sports history.

At least this time the courts sent the little bitch packing.

[SirFozzie]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

And where do we end up? At the same place we've been for quite a while.

Lovers gonna love and typically blindly defend.
Haters still hate, cause it's one of the dirtiest franchises in U.S. sports history.

At least this time the courts sent the little bitch packing.

If they had, Goodell would have been fired.

And yeah, Haters are going to hate, despite the fact they have no basis to hate.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by SirFozzie

If they had, Goodell would have been fired.

And yeah, Haters are going to hate, despite the fact they have no basis to hate.

And defenders gonna defend, even if there was video evidence of Brady & Kraft raping a baby goat with a kitten.

It is what it is {shrug}

[JPhillips]

The Pats have spent years pushing the lines of what's allowable. Karma's a bitch.

[BishopMVP]

Originally Posted by Radii

Wait what? I stopped following this side shit ages ago so maybe this is a common claim and I am just isolated from it. But what?

In the NBA we all cry conspiracy because its good for the league when big city teams are good, we all cry conspiracy because the team with the stars (loved or hated) advances in the playoffs and the refs weren't perfect, so of course the NBA wants to prop up the dynasties b/c its best for the league, that's just common sense!

But in the NFL the conspiracy is that they're actively trying to tear down the dynasty, and the storylines with their best and most popular players and franchises, becuase... why?


I know the deflategate case had issues and I get the idea that there were a lot of fuckups, but the big bad NFL wants to destroy their best and most successful franchise and most popular player over the last 15 years b/c that would be good for them?

SHURG.

The theory's always been that it was initiated by people with a personal, not professional, vendetta against Belichick and the Pats. Mike Kensil specifically was one of the people at the Jets when Belichick wrote I quit on a napkin and bounced to New England. Then once that false info was leaked and the narrative developed Goodell cowtowed to the owners (which, to be fair, is what they pay him for) regardless of what the facts were.

And now people who would be apoplectic if this was their team, and appalled if this was the evidence in any court case, are not just accepting of Goodell's actions but actually gleeful it happened I guess because the fanbase is arrogant? And they perceive the Patriots as cheaters, even though outside of Spygate (for which we received the largest punishment in NFL history) there is zero hard evidence the Patriots actually push boundaries any more than the average NFL team. So yeah, SHURG it is, because apparently most people are incapable of disliking the Patriots or their fans while still acknowledging that this has been a witch-hunt from day 1 and a complete joke on Goodell's part, if the goal really was to find the truth. Which it clearly hasn't been.

As far as the punishment I've never cared about the Brady stuff compared to the draft picks, and barring injury the timeline doesn't work for Jimmy G replacing him, but hopefully he does well in his audition so we can get more draft capital when we likely trade him next spring.

[EagleFan]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

The Pats have spent years pushing the lines of what's allowable. Karma's a bitch.

This.