Werewolf XLVI - Sun And Shadow (Game Thread) - Game Over! Cultists win! - Page 20

BrianD · 05-03-2007, 09:41 AM

Things should get more interesting when we get the report of DT's scan of Mr.W. The game may be over at that point.

DaddyTorgo · 05-03-2007, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by path12

I have a Ring of Shadows. I plan on breaking it tonight to find out our last shadow.

ummm path...i already used the ring of shadows buddy. you're saying you have another? very doubtful there were 2 of something so powerful to begin with.

or was this...not something that you found?

DaddyTorgo · 05-03-2007, 09:46 AM

anyone think i should not scan mr. w and scan path instead? i already used the ring of shadows...i doubt there'd be 2 of such a powerful item in the game...

Barkeep49 · 05-03-2007, 09:51 AM

Scan Mr. W. I think that's the smart move.

Alan T · 05-03-2007, 09:53 AM

Someone refresh my memory, has anyone vouched for DaddyTorgo, other than him giving us Tyrith the other day?

DaddyTorgo · 05-03-2007, 09:57 AM

not to put them on the spot, but i know several people out there can vouch for me.

Alan T · 05-03-2007, 10:03 AM

Just checking. you seem to have been avoiding Mr.W alot both last night and today with your comments and I'm not quite sure I understand why. There is only one shadow player left, so its not a case of you + him being bad. I just was curious especially after looking into Path after he had been adamantly vouched for by Ntndeacon (which is more than anyone has done for you)

7) Kwhit - Cleansed
14) ImTheCrew - Cleansed
15) Tyrith - Cleansed

1) Mustang - Claims Spiritmaster (vouched by Ntndeacon)
4) Joe - claims Researcher (possibly validated based on finding an item?)
8) Lathum - Claims Warlock (proven by sleeping Hoops night 1 and Tyrith last night)
10) Schmidty - Claims Augur (proven with the info on Kwhit)
12) hoopsguy - Claims Elementalist (Vouched for by Swaggs.)
17) Alan T - Claims Theurgist (proven by action on Barkeep)

6) Barkeep49 - Blocked by Alan last night, couldn't have attempted conversion on swaggs
9) Chief Rum - DaddyTorgo vouches for him.
16) Path12 - Vouched for by ntndeacon as having some role?

2) BrianD - First to out Kwhit
13) DaddyTorgo - Outed Tyrith (claims Diabolist)

3) ntndeacon - Given hints to role = Witch? (unproven)
5) Swaggs - Claims Wizard (unproven)
18) SnDvls - Claims Alchemist (unproven)

11) Mr. Wednesday -

Signifier -
Medium -
Artificer -
Enchanter -
Craft Mage -

Mustang · 05-03-2007, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Alan T

I went through all 50 of Mr.W's posts and didn't really see anything that an empath could use to scan on him. The best was this from the night Kwhit was converted in the sitting room:

50 msgs and that is the only statement that could be verified with a true or false statement?

Sounds like someone has been covering themselves to make sure they don't have any verifiable info.

Alan T · 05-03-2007, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Mustang

50 msgs and that is the only statement that could be verified with a true or false statement?

Sounds like someone has been covering themselves to make sure they don't have any verifiable info.

Well he had alot of statements, but he didnt commit to what role he had, or really much of what he has been up to the entire game. The only other thing is he had said he had a magical role that he would reveal if a proper time came up..

Which of course was yesterday and he didnt reveal

hoopsguy · 05-03-2007, 10:09 AM

Swaggs, as the Wizard why would you want to turn over the Sun members to us?

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Wizard - Despite being in the coven, you've grown increasingly worried about things here, because you're basically a good person and want to get out. Each night as a night action you can check someone to see if they are a member of the Sun faction. You also have a Sun Amulet which gives you a powerful ability - you can't be corrupted by the Shadow.

To me that sounds like there would be a strong possibility of a personal win condition with the Sun members. Is this not the case?

DaddyTorgo · 05-03-2007, 10:09 AM

okay alan. i guess i just didn't realize the extent to which ntn vouched for path. i'm not complaining...it just seemed curious that there were 2 rings of shadows so quickly. then again on N0 i did call out for the craft mage to start making another (my first hint that i had it) in case we'd need it so i guess it makes sense.

DaddyTorgo · 05-03-2007, 10:10 AM

well my order is in on w. i didn't avoid him yesterday either...but i wanted to scan ntn to add to the CoT. figured he was slept and that would be enough more evidence on him. plus i sorta was thinking ahead to today and using my ability on him like this

Swaggs · 05-03-2007, 10:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Swaggs, as the Wizard why would you want to turn over the Sun members to us?

To me that sounds like there would be a strong possibility of a personal win condition with the Sun members. Is this not the case?

I would rather one of the Sun members be cleansed than one of us. Wouldn't you?

My terms for winning are to avoid being cleansed and see the Shadow defeated.

hoopsguy · 05-03-2007, 10:25 AM

Swaggs, I definitely would prefer removing Sun before Cultists. I'm just a little surprised that you would based on how I thought the Wizard role would work. Reading the role, it sounded to me like a Sun sympathizer - more like a traditional Sorceror/Cultist role (not the meanings those names have in this game).

Alan T · 05-03-2007, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Swaggs

I would rather one of the Sun members be cleansed than one of us. Wouldn't you?

My terms for winning are to avoid being cleansed and see the Shadow defeated.

Interesting. I don't have any special individual victory conditions at all, and was a bit shocked when you said this. Looking at the rules though I see it says there are some individual victory conditions as well.

Alan T · 05-03-2007, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Swaggs, I definitely would prefer removing Sun before Cultists. I'm just a little surprised that you would based on how I thought the Wizard role would work. Reading the role, it sounded to me like a Sun sympathizer - more like a traditional Sorceror/Cultist role (not the meanings those names have in this game).

I am assuming the same as you, that his ability to search for them is to help him in protecting them from the lynch, and not as much to reveal who they are to us.

Right now I am assuming Barkeep is one of the sun agents as well, and not sure on the other but leaning towards Chief right now.

Alan T · 05-03-2007, 10:28 AM

Oh, given Swaggs's stance on day 1, I guess it probably isn't chief actually. but I do think barkeep is one of them.

Swaggs · 05-03-2007, 10:33 AM

I know of two members of the Sun.

As I have said, I'm happy to give them to you.

Alan T · 05-03-2007, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Swaggs

I know of two members of the Sun.

As I have said, I'm happy to give them to you.

I don't really see the point right now. I'm merely speculating out of boredom and no one else talking about anything interesting

Alan T · 05-03-2007, 10:37 AM

I merely guess Barkeep because of his refusal to talk about his early comment about one of the roles being missing, thinking that it might line up with the comment someone else made that perhaps sun agents received roles but they can't use them. Thus Barkeep getting a big role that he can't use..

Or something along those lines. You'd be suprised at all the neat things I can make up in my head when bored

hoopsguy · 05-03-2007, 10:38 AM

Agreed - I would much rather talk about Barkeep's "missing role" but that hasn't happened yet (hint: he is in the room now).

Other than that, waiting on someone to have something compelling from last night (Schmidty maybe?) to help us confirm/deny MrW.

BrianD · 05-03-2007, 10:43 AM

Just for something to say, I know one of the Sun members that Swaggs knows, but not the other one. I thought about giving him up just to dick with the Sun, but there is no need to destroy their victory if it doesn't help us get ours.

Alan T · 05-03-2007, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Agreed - I would much rather talk about Barkeep's "missing role" but that hasn't happened yet (hint: he is in the room now).

Other than that, waiting on someone to have something compelling from last night (Schmidty maybe?) to help us confirm/deny MrW.

Barkeep's been around all morning and made a post without commenting on it despite numerous mentions of it. Seems pretty obvious he is avoiding it. The reason I wanted to know more about it wasn't really to out Sun people as much as just trying to provide further validation to the idea that 18 people = 18 roles, and thus narrow down who the last shadow person is.

Swaggs · 05-03-2007, 10:45 AM

Imagine how much I want to gloat for picking correctly two nights in a row.

ntndeacon · 05-03-2007, 10:45 AM

And DaddyTorgo, it would be a HUGe waste of your powers to scan path. I am certainly not surprised about seeing path with a ring of shadows. I even expected it. I did not say path's role as I thought he might be a target for Shadow if I did.

Alan T · 05-03-2007, 10:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BrianD

Just for something to say, I know one of the Sun members that Swaggs knows, but not the other one. I thought about giving him up just to dick with the Sun, but there is no need to destroy their victory if it doesn't help us get ours.

Care to share how you know the person?

Alan T · 05-03-2007, 10:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ntndeacon

And DaddyTorgo, it would be a HUGe waste of your powers to scan path. I am certainly not surprised about seeing path with a ring of shadows. I even expected it. I did not say path's role as I thought he might be a target for Shadow if I did.

I think you just told us what his role was

ntndeacon · 05-03-2007, 10:48 AM

just to get a start on things...
Vote Mr. Wed.
Vote Punishment

ntndeacon · 05-03-2007, 10:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alan T

I think you just told us what his role was

maybe but it doesn't matter as much now.

Barkeep49 · 05-03-2007, 10:49 AM

I'll also agree that scanning path is a HUGE waste of time.

As for the speculation about me, that's so nice of all of you to think I 'm a member of the Sun. How pleasant indeed.

Alan T · 05-03-2007, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by ntndeacon

maybe but it doesn't matter as much now.

Probably not, you're right. I'm glad I didn't attempt to block path last night then (in fairness, not sure if his role is magical either though). My main target last night was mr.W like I said in the thread, but Lathum came in after I said I was going for Mr.W and said he was going to sleep him, so I had to choose someone else... and really didn't like most of the other choices so took a gamble on Hoops just in case.

Alan T · 05-03-2007, 10:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

I'll also agree that scanning path is a HUGE waste of time.

As for the speculation about me, that's so nice of all of you to think I 'm a member of the Sun. How pleasant indeed.

Better than thinking you are affected by the shadow isnt it?

DaddyTorgo · 05-03-2007, 10:52 AM

i was sort of poking at path to see if he would hint that that is what his role actually was.

Alan T · 05-03-2007, 10:54 AM

I do find it ironic though that Barkeep whom was one of the first to trumpet mass role reveals, is one of the last 4 that I don't know which role matches up to

BrianD · 05-03-2007, 11:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alan T

Care to share how you know the person?

Scroll of Identity night before last. I talked about it a bit yesterday. That was also why I think all 18 roles were given out but they aren't all active. I know what role this particular person is pretending to have. I'm guessing that is what Barkeep is talking about with his knowledge of a role that isn't in the game. It may be assigned to a Sun member who can't actually use it.

Alan T · 05-03-2007, 11:07 AM

So speaking of sun members, it says their powers are only known to them... if we assume they can't use their magical role powers, what type of powers do you all think they actually do get to use?

BrianD · 05-03-2007, 11:13 AM

I don't really know, but I would guess that their powers are at least somewhat in line with other magical roles. Maybe not the same powers as the role they pretend to have, but the typical identify Shadow or protection from Shadow powers.

path12 · 05-03-2007, 11:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

ummm path...i already used the ring of shadows buddy. you're saying you have another? very doubtful there were 2 of something so powerful to begin with.

or was this...not something that you found?

Correct.

KWhit · 05-03-2007, 11:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

As for the speculation about me, that's so nice of all of you to think I 'm a member of the Sun. How pleasant indeed.

path12 · 05-03-2007, 11:41 AM

Might as well get a vote out there:

VOTE MR WEDNESDAY
VOTE PUNISHMENT

Lathum · 05-03-2007, 11:46 AM

VOTE MR WEDNESDAY
VOTE PUNISHMENT

KWhit · 05-03-2007, 11:46 AM

VOTE MR WEDNESDAY
VOTE PUNISHMENT

DaddyTorgo · 05-03-2007, 11:47 AM

glad to see whoever was the crafter took my advice early on then and made another fabulous ring of power...errr...shadows

DaddyTorgo · 05-03-2007, 11:48 AM

VOTE MR. WEDNESDAY
VOTE PUNISHMENT

if peregrine would pop back on and answer my PM-scan then we could confidently vote nightfall and get this thing on the road

Alan T · 05-03-2007, 11:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

VOTE MR. WEDNESDAY
VOTE PUNISHMENT

if peregrine would pop back on and answer my PM-scan then we could confidently vote nightfall and get this thing on the road

On night 1 when I didnt get my action in time, I had asked Peregrine why the deadline was so early. He said he works at night and does the actions while at work. So my guess is he probably is asleep right now and wakes up around 7pm or so EDT (or whenever in the afternoon). So unfortunatly you might be waiting a bit.

Swaggs · 05-03-2007, 11:50 AM

I'll go ahead and vote early, as well.

VOTE MR WEDNESDAY
VOTE PUNISHMENT

hoopsguy · 05-03-2007, 12:00 PM

Since I see Peregrine lurking I don't see a reason to fire a vote quite yet. Everyone is either going to fall in line quickly or discussion will open up on alternate candidates.

Barkeep49 · 05-03-2007, 12:00 PM

Why are we voting so early? I mean if DT scans Mr W and he comes up clean aren't we going to go in a whole different direction?

Chief Rum · 05-03-2007, 12:02 PM

Just so everyone knows, according to what Peregrine said earlier this morning, I wasn't blocked. I would have known if I was blocked.

It appears that my role didn't work because of something that relates to my target. I have reviewed his suggested role, and he would have that power. But he also said yesterday he wasn't going to use it last night. So I find that odd. Hoopsguy was not my target (although I think you all know that).

Chief Rum · 05-03-2007, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Why are we voting so early? I mean if DT scans Mr W and he comes up clean aren't we going to go in a whole different direction?

I'll be voting early because I am leaving soon. So I hope DT has his scan order in and Peregrine is responding right now because 20 minutes from now I won't be here.

BTW, not sure it's such a good idea to look like you're protecting MrW right now. I'm not reading anything into it, but just so you know.

05-03-2007, 10:33 AM	#968
Swaggs Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	I know of two members of the Sun. As I have said, I'm happy to give them to you. __________________ DOWN WITH HATTRICK!!! The RWBL Are you reading In The Bleachers?

05-03-2007, 10:45 AM	#974
Swaggs Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	Imagine how much I want to gloat for picking correctly two nights in a row. __________________ DOWN WITH HATTRICK!!! The RWBL Are you reading In The Bleachers?

05-03-2007, 11:41 AM	#990
path12 Coordinator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle, WA	Might as well get a vote out there: VOTE MR WEDNESDAY VOTE PUNISHMENT __________________ We have always been at war with Eastasia.

05-03-2007, 11:50 AM	#996
Swaggs Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	I'll go ahead and vote early, as well. VOTE MR WEDNESDAY VOTE PUNISHMENT __________________ DOWN WITH HATTRICK!!! The RWBL Are you reading In The Bleachers?

05-03-2007, 09:41 AM	#951
BrianD Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Appleton, WI	Things should get more interesting when we get the report of DT's scan of Mr.W. The game may be over at that point.

05-03-2007, 09:46 AM	#953
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	anyone think i should not scan mr. w and scan path instead? i already used the ring of shadows...i doubt there'd be 2 of such a powerful item in the game...

05-03-2007, 09:51 AM	#954
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	Scan Mr. W. I think that's the smart move.

05-03-2007, 09:53 AM	#955
Alan T Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mass.	Someone refresh my memory, has anyone vouched for DaddyTorgo, other than him giving us Tyrith the other day?

05-03-2007, 09:57 AM	#956
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	not to put them on the spot, but i know several people out there can vouch for me.

05-03-2007, 10:03 AM	#957
Alan T Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mass.	Just checking. you seem to have been avoiding Mr.W alot both last night and today with your comments and I'm not quite sure I understand why. There is only one shadow player left, so its not a case of you + him being bad. I just was curious especially after looking into Path after he had been adamantly vouched for by Ntndeacon (which is more than anyone has done for you) 7) Kwhit - Cleansed 14) ImTheCrew - Cleansed 15) Tyrith - Cleansed 1) Mustang - Claims Spiritmaster (vouched by Ntndeacon) 4) Joe - claims Researcher (possibly validated based on finding an item?) 8) Lathum - Claims Warlock (proven by sleeping Hoops night 1 and Tyrith last night) 10) Schmidty - Claims Augur (proven with the info on Kwhit) 12) hoopsguy - Claims Elementalist (Vouched for by Swaggs.) 17) Alan T - Claims Theurgist (proven by action on Barkeep) 6) Barkeep49 - Blocked by Alan last night, couldn't have attempted conversion on swaggs 9) Chief Rum - DaddyTorgo vouches for him. 16) Path12 - Vouched for by ntndeacon as having some role? 2) BrianD - First to out Kwhit 13) DaddyTorgo - Outed Tyrith (claims Diabolist) 3) ntndeacon - Given hints to role = Witch? (unproven) 5) Swaggs - Claims Wizard (unproven) 18) SnDvls - Claims Alchemist (unproven) 11) Mr. Wednesday - Signifier - Medium - Artificer - Enchanter - Craft Mage -

05-03-2007, 10:09 AM	#961
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	okay alan. i guess i just didn't realize the extent to which ntn vouched for path. i'm not complaining...it just seemed curious that there were 2 rings of shadows so quickly. then again on N0 i did call out for the craft mage to start making another (my first hint that i had it) in case we'd need it so i guess it makes sense.

05-03-2007, 10:10 AM	#962
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	well my order is in on w. i didn't avoid him yesterday either...but i wanted to scan ntn to add to the CoT. figured he was slept and that would be enough more evidence on him. plus i sorta was thinking ahead to today and using my ability on him like this

05-03-2007, 10:25 AM	#964
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Swaggs, I definitely would prefer removing Sun before Cultists. I'm just a little surprised that you would based on how I thought the Wizard role would work. Reading the role, it sounded to me like a Sun sympathizer - more like a traditional Sorceror/Cultist role (not the meanings those names have in this game).

05-03-2007, 10:28 AM	#967
Alan T Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mass.	Oh, given Swaggs's stance on day 1, I guess it probably isn't chief actually. but I do think barkeep is one of them.

05-03-2007, 10:37 AM	#970
Alan T Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mass.	I merely guess Barkeep because of his refusal to talk about his early comment about one of the roles being missing, thinking that it might line up with the comment someone else made that perhaps sun agents received roles but they can't use them. Thus Barkeep getting a big role that he can't use.. Or something along those lines. You'd be suprised at all the neat things I can make up in my head when bored

05-03-2007, 10:38 AM	#971
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Agreed - I would much rather talk about Barkeep's "missing role" but that hasn't happened yet (hint: he is in the room now). Other than that, waiting on someone to have something compelling from last night (Schmidty maybe?) to help us confirm/deny MrW.

05-03-2007, 10:43 AM	#972
BrianD Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Appleton, WI	Just for something to say, I know one of the Sun members that Swaggs knows, but not the other one. I thought about giving him up just to dick with the Sun, but there is no need to destroy their victory if it doesn't help us get ours.

05-03-2007, 10:45 AM	#975
ntndeacon Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Alabama	And DaddyTorgo, it would be a HUGe waste of your powers to scan path. I am certainly not surprised about seeing path with a ring of shadows. I even expected it. I did not say path's role as I thought he might be a target for Shadow if I did.

05-03-2007, 10:48 AM	#978
ntndeacon Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Alabama	just to get a start on things... Vote Mr. Wed. Vote Punishment

05-03-2007, 10:49 AM	#980
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	I'll also agree that scanning path is a HUGE waste of time. As for the speculation about me, that's so nice of all of you to think I 'm a member of the Sun. How pleasant indeed.

05-03-2007, 10:52 AM	#983
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	i was sort of poking at path to see if he would hint that that is what his role actually was.

05-03-2007, 10:54 AM	#984
Alan T Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mass.	I do find it ironic though that Barkeep whom was one of the first to trumpet mass role reveals, is one of the last 4 that I don't know which role matches up to

05-03-2007, 11:07 AM	#986
Alan T Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mass.	So speaking of sun members, it says their powers are only known to them... if we assume they can't use their magical role powers, what type of powers do you all think they actually do get to use?

05-03-2007, 11:13 AM	#987
BrianD Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Appleton, WI	I don't really know, but I would guess that their powers are at least somewhat in line with other magical roles. Maybe not the same powers as the role they pretend to have, but the typical identify Shadow or protection from Shadow powers.

05-03-2007, 11:46 AM	#991
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	VOTE MR WEDNESDAY VOTE PUNISHMENT

05-03-2007, 11:46 AM	#992
KWhit Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Conyers GA	VOTE MR WEDNESDAY VOTE PUNISHMENT

05-03-2007, 11:47 AM	#993
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	glad to see whoever was the crafter took my advice early on then and made another fabulous ring of power...errr...shadows

05-03-2007, 11:48 AM	#994
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	VOTE MR. WEDNESDAY VOTE PUNISHMENT if peregrine would pop back on and answer my PM-scan then we could confidently vote nightfall and get this thing on the road

05-03-2007, 12:00 PM	#997
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Since I see Peregrine lurking I don't see a reason to fire a vote quite yet. Everyone is either going to fall in line quickly or discussion will open up on alternate candidates.

05-03-2007, 12:00 PM	#998
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	Why are we voting so early? I mean if DT scans Mr W and he comes up clean aren't we going to go in a whole different direction?

05-03-2007, 12:02 PM	#999
Chief Rum Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Where Hip Hop lives	Just so everyone knows, according to what Peregrine said earlier this morning, I wasn't blocked. I would have known if I was blocked. It appears that my role didn't work because of something that relates to my target. I have reviewed his suggested role, and he would have that power. But he also said yesterday he wasn't going to use it last night. So I find that odd. Hoopsguy was not my target (although I think you all know that).

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