Werewolf LXXII: Chess (Checkmate!)

[path12]

Originally Posted by jeheinz72

I don't think we can lynch him. He has to be board-killed if I'm reading it right.

That's how I understand it also, that the King has a sort of unlimited duke ability. But down four pawns, a queen and a rook doesn't help black much.

[Lathum]

and why would KWhit vote CR?

[mccollins]

Originally Posted by Lathum

so 4 people get 4 votes each?

no offense PAss, but that is really, really silly.

They get a vote per pawn so once pawns start dying, they lose votes.
The rules have been the same since we started playing two days ago

[path12]

Just got my night PM, busy board. I've got to go to lunch and do some work before trying to figure it out.

[Narcizo]

Yep, that's my read. Honestly Neon, I didn't see your reveal. Not saying that it would have made a difference but still. I was afraid the game was going to turn out this way, once it became clear that Pass' reveal safeguard wasn't working.

[st.cronin]

Ok, never mind then. I thought they could be lynched, but that they had a one time duke action.

[mccollins]

Originally Posted by Lathum

and why would KWhit vote CR?

That's weird - I guess he just thought he was a wolf. KWhit also might not have figured out his color yet.

[KWhit]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

It is not a good long-term survival strategy to "duke/pawn" a wolf

Be quiet, you. You're supposed to be dead.

[Neon_Chaos]

Originally Posted by Neon_Chaos

Chief Rum is the Black Queen. I am the Black King. I have all reason to believe that he is good.

White, if you lynch my queen, I swear, you won't win this game. I will help the wolves.

Wolves, if you night-kill my queen, I will suicide and and let white win.

Unvote Lathum
Vote st.cronin

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by Neon_Chaos

Goddamn.

So Render, Narcizo, and jeheinz are all White.

Along with KWhit, Jackal, and cronin.

actually I don't see any basis for this statement, you may be right on a couple by chance, but their voting on day 2 really doesn't guarentee this result. How could they know?

[Neon_Chaos]

Originally Posted by Lathum

and why would KWhit vote CR?

The Pawns don't know what color they are.

[RendeR]

I never saw aything before page 20, I logged in really late to deadline and had to get a vote in, I read the vote status and voted based on what I thought of those with votes and the numbers at the time.

Sorry NC, your reveal had nothing to do with my vote at least.

[oliegirl]

OK, I suspected NC was a knight based on his post # 141, he seemed to know a lot of detail about their power and it just tipped me off and stuck in my head..that is why I didn't want to vote for NC and I wanted someone to scan him tonight, but I guess now that isn't necessary.

[Neon_Chaos]

Ok. This is why No Lynch would have been the best option since Day 1. Play the chess game, and let the wolves kill of ONE PLAYER AT A TIME.
Black, if you want to at least have a chance to win, you don't help weed out the wolves until the White numbers are down by two or three. Even then, us winning is a complete stretch based on us losing the queen.

[Lathum]

sigh

this game really makes no sense to me.

I don't care how ou slice it, anyone with 4X the vote of another player makes no sense, why should I even bother to vote

[st.cronin]

Whelp, I tried to move for the Jackal but I was blocked.

[path12]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

Whelp, I tried to move for the Jackal but I was blocked.

Do you know who is around you?

[path12]

I asked Pass one other question as to whether or not a roled piece that did not move would get notification as to who was around them. Answer: yes.

So Lathum, you are not a bishop otherwise you would have gotten a PM saying who was around you on the board, blocked move or not.

VOTE LATHUM

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by path12

I asked Pass one other question as to whether or not a roled piece that did not move would get notification as to who was around them. Answer: yes.

So Lathum, you are not a bishop otherwise you would have gotten a PM saying who was around you on the board, blocked move or not.

VOTE LATHUM

Another white on block move? Why am I not surprised.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by path12

Do you know who is around you?

Piece type, not player name. Unless you didn't move last turn, then I think I know exactly where you are.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by path12

I asked Pass one other question as to whether or not a roled piece that did not move would get notification as to who was around them. Answer: yes.

So Lathum, you are not a bishop otherwise you would have gotten a PM saying who was around you on the board, blocked move or not.

VOTE LATHUM

and why would I give up information like that.

Really it doesn't matter. White controls the vote. From my understanding even the lone black pawn left thinks it is white. So with 3 white pawns left that makes 12 votes against me.

Whats the point really?

am I missing something?

[path12]

Originally Posted by Anxiety

Another white on block move? Why am I not surprised.

I don't understand what you mean.

[path12]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

Piece type, not player name. Unless you didn't move last turn, then I think I know exactly where you are.

I moved.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by path12

I don't understand what you mean.

I think he meant black

[path12]

Originally Posted by Lathum

and why would I give up information like that.

Really it doesn't matter. White controls the vote. From my understanding even the lone black pawn left thinks it is white. So with 3 white pawns left that makes 12 votes against me.

Whats the point really?

am I missing something?

Well, when I voted for you yesterday and gave my reasoning, your explanation was that your move was blocked. Then you revealed as a bishop. And now I know that was a lie.

White has a big advantage right now, yes. But believe it or not, I'm actually trying to find wolves.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by Lathum

and why would I give up information like that.

Really it doesn't matter. White controls the vote. From my understanding even the lone black pawn left thinks it is white. So with 3 white pawns left that makes 12 votes against me.

Whats the point really?

am I missing something?

What you're missing is that the wolves will want to move the vote to a white player, to even things up. Also what you're missing is that the villagers would rather lynch a wolf than a villager on the other team.

[path12]

Originally Posted by Lathum

I think he meant black

Oh, that makes sense. He's wrong if he thinks that's just what it is though. I think it's going to be much tougher to mate the black king than one might think, especially with all the possible night moves.

Which is why I'm looking wolves first.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by path12

Well, when I voted for you yesterday and gave my reasoning, your explanation was that your move was blocked. Then you revealed as a bishop. And now I know that was a lie.

White has a big advantage right now, yes. But believe it or not, I'm actually trying to find wolves.

Wait - how do we know he's lying?

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by path12

Well, when I voted for you yesterday and gave my reasoning, your explanation was that your move was blocked. Then you revealed as a bishop. And now I know that was a lie.

White has a big advantage right now, yes. But believe it or not, I'm actually trying to find wolves.

Dude, what the fuck you want me to tell you?

I tried to move, it was blocked, bishops can't jump over other players.

Why is that so hard to believe?

Fuck it, lynch me, I could care less. I'm done.

[Neon_Chaos]

Don't be fooled by the White Propaganda!

I would rather lynch a white piece than a wolf right now. Better yet, a white piece that's a wolf!

[Lathum]

apologies to my partner who is someone I like alot and enjoyed chatting with.

[path12]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

Wait - how do we know he's lying?

We know he's lying because he claimed to have no knowledge about how someone would know where pieces are on the board. When I put together that must mean that he was a black pawn that didn't move (since all white ones did and only pawns that didn't move would not get notification of their position or those around them) then he revealed as a black bishop and said he was blocked -- and that was why he didn't know about the positioning PM's.

Well, after clarifying with the GM, we know that all roled pieces would get information as to what was around them, so he's lied about either:

1) Being a bishop.
2) Pretending he didn't know how one would know who was around them.

There's no reason at all that I can think of (even for someone as secretive as Lathum) to cling to number 2 so hard that you start gathering votes. But either way, his story just isn't logically true.

[path12]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Dude, what the fuck you want me to tell you?

I tried to move, it was blocked, bishops can't jump over other players.

Why is that so hard to believe?

Fuck it, lynch me, I could care less. I'm done.

It's not the fact that you could have been blocked. It's the fact that you claimed you got no information as to pieces around you. I think you just messed up.

[Passacaglia]

Whew. All PMs have been sent out. Keep sending questions if you have any.

[st.cronin]

Path, I think you're way off base here. What Lathum was confused about was how people knew that THE JACKAL was at a given position. That's entirely different from what you're suggesting, and is entirely consistent with Lathum being whatever he says he is.

[path12]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

Path, I think you're way off base here. What Lathum was confused about was how people knew that THE JACKAL was at a given position. That's entirely different from what you're suggesting, and is entirely consistent with Lathum being whatever he says he is.

I've got to get back to work, but I'll go back and find the post later.

I think you're confusing the original point. Lathum started this by questioning how anyone would know what pieces were where on the board. Probing that led to all the things that don't add up. I'll lay it out later.

Again, this is nothing more than pointing out inconsistencies in a story. That is most often looked at as wolf behavior, isn't it?

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by path12

I've got to get back to work, but I'll go back and find the post later.

I think you're confusing the original point. Lathum started this by questioning how anyone would know what pieces were where on the board. Probing that led to all the things that don't add up. I'll lay it out later.

Again, this is nothing more than pointing out inconsistencies in a story. That is most often looked at as wolf behavior, isn't it?

I think you are confused. Lathum's question came right after I posted which space The Jackal was in. Its not at all surprising that he would be confused by that.

[mccollins]

Originally Posted by path12

Well, when I voted for you yesterday and gave my reasoning, your explanation was that your move was blocked. Then you revealed as a bishop. And now I know that was a lie.

White has a big advantage right now, yes. But believe it or not, I'm actually trying to find wolves.

If the one person controlling the two pawns diagonally in front of Lathum's black Bishop didn't move (whether intentionally or not) or didn't vote (and thus their piece didn't move), then Lathum would have been blocked in, right?

(Wow, this has been sitting open in a tab for a long while. Others may have said the same, but I'm going to go ahead and post it blindly)

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by mccollins

If the one person controlling the two pawns diagonally in front of Lathum's black Bishop didn't move (whether intentionally or not) or didn't vote (and thus their piece didn't move), then Lathum would have been blocked in, right?

(Wow, this has been sitting open in a tab for a long while. Others may have said the same, but I'm going to go ahead and post it blindly)

Or, Lathum may have had an earlier "move time" than whoever was in front of him.

[claphamsa]

so it looks like white has firm controll over this game... so lets get the wolves now! anyone?

[mccollins]

Originally Posted by path12

It's the fact that you claimed you got no information as to pieces around you. I think you just messed up.

Pass did not tell us on Day 0/1 what pieces were next to us because it was at the standard startup. After Night 1, if Lathum wasn't able to move, perhaps Pass still didn't tell him what was / wasn't around him?

Might be a question for Pass - "if someone didn't move the first night would they find out what was around them?"

[PurdueBrad]

I'll stick with my day two vote although I, in all ho,nesty from an outside of game standpoint, don't want to piss off Lathum because I enjoy playing the games with him. This may not stick if I feel guilty over it.

vote Lathum

[PurdueBrad]

by the way, ho,nesty= honesty or I guess you could read it that I was calling someone a nasty ho.

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by mccollins

Might be a question for Pass - "if someone didn't move the first night would they find out what was around them?"

Yes you find out who is around you even if you did not move on night 1 or night 2.

Based on my own PMs from the GM.

[RendeR]

Its funny, I kind of enjoy seeing lathum get all bent out of shape, makes me feel far better about all those games I imploded in back in the day =)


No offense lathum, just sayin

Vote Claphamsa

Why not? he's been UTR this game so far.

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by path12

Oh, that makes sense. He's wrong if he thinks that's just what it is though. I think it's going to be much tougher to mate the black king than one might think, especially with all the possible night moves.

Which is why I'm looking wolves first.

Of course you are looking for wolves first. With such a strong board advantage, you want to take out the wild card. However, you want to look at wolves in Black, so that way you auto get a black piece. You won;t even bother to hit a white piece unless you know its a wolf. I'm saying its no surprise.

[The Jackal]

FTR, I tried to scan cronin, but was unable to. He's explained why that is, so I'm not overly concerned, just wouldve been nice to catch a wolf/clear someone.

[st.cronin]

Jackal, did you move?

[st.cronin]

By the way - its possible that Black's Knights have caught a wolf. Its also possible they won't want to give that info up yet.

[path12]

Originally Posted by Anxiety

Of course you are looking for wolves first. With such a strong board advantage, you want to take out the wild card. However, you want to look at wolves in Black, so that way you auto get a black piece. You won;t even bother to hit a white piece unless you know its a wolf. I'm saying its no surprise.

If you'd like to pick out a wolf for me I'll vote for them, no matter the color.