Werewolf CXXVII -- The Godfather, VILLAGERS WIN - Page 20

mckerney · 03-17-2011, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by The Jackal

I think often, the best place for a wolf to hide a vote on another wolf is the first vote on that person. It doesn't put the other wolf in great danger, like a later vote would, and if the wolf gets revealed at some point, the person who put in that first vote can point to it for trust later. Which leads me to taking a closer look at EF.

If it is the case one of them was looking to hide on DV I think one wolf is either MartinD or Autumn and the other (assuming 5) is either EagleFan, The Jackal, J23, or Zinto. Zinto seems the least likely out of the last group because his vote on DV was the 5th, I'd have to look over voting records or anything I'm forgetting that would clear EF, Jackal, or J23.

The only alternative I see is if either JAG or Crimson Fox (or both) gave used the passing the gun and then killing Jeff as a way to gain trust, which I don't think is the case and isn't even worth considering right now.

The Jackal · 03-17-2011, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by JAG

I'll probably have some suggestions for a scan, but I wouldn't reveal in thread who you're scanning.

This right here.

Zinto · 03-17-2011, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by The Jackal

Mckerney isn't a bad choice, though it seems like the other wolves would most likely be the two listed wolves left, and we seem to believe his reveal. If we don't end up lynching Autumn, that's certainly a good choice.

After that you'd have to choose between a bunch of us with at least one vote for a wolf - me, EF, Martin, Zinto.

Don't waste the scan on me. I can reveal now that my estranged husband is dead. I am Connie Corleone.

The Jackal · 03-17-2011, 12:28 PM

Guess we certainly can't rule out CF or J23 either, neither of them have revealed have they? I know CF was getting trust for saying he had one of the items, and J had votes on Jeff and DV on days 2 and 3.

JAG · 03-17-2011, 12:30 PM

That's the most stunning reveal I could've imagined. In that case, I am highly certain that either Zinto or EF is a wolf.

mckerney · 03-17-2011, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by The Jackal

Guess we certainly can't rule out CF or J23 either, neither of them have revealed have they? I know CF was getting trust for saying he had one of the items, and J had votes on Jeff and DV on days 2 and 3.

I'm still inclined to trust CF for now, though could see a case where he was a wolf. I just don't see how it would be a good move for a wolf to give the gun or canoli to a villager.

JAG · 03-17-2011, 12:32 PM

I am seriously stunned by that.

J23 · 03-17-2011, 12:35 PM

EF, can you reveal the reasons for wanting to vote Jeff and DV now that the seer has been revealed (and not you?). I know you were hesitant before to talk about them.

The Jackal · 03-17-2011, 12:35 PM

Why are you so stunned?

The Jackal · 03-17-2011, 12:35 PM

Good point, J, EF had hinted at being the seer. I think he said he was going to be out for the rest of today though.

The Jackal · 03-17-2011, 12:36 PM

Here:

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Originally Posted by EagleFan

Having major issues with the site today. Probably my only chance to post with little time and on phone.

I was thinking either bhlloy or mckerney. Autumn may be another to look at when I get a chance, if I get a chance to look over the thread later. Time and site issues are not helping.

vote bhlloy

JAG · 03-17-2011, 12:36 PM

Alright, I'm going to think about this a bit.

Zinto · 03-17-2011, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by JAG

I am seriously stunned by that.

Not sure what is so stunning.

JAG · 03-17-2011, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by J23

EF, can you reveal the reasons for wanting to vote Jeff and DV now that the seer has been revealed (and not you?). I know you were hesitant before to talk about them.

Bingo, plus the fact that Jeff turned up the husband, I figured he was Connie and maybe was lucky with DV. With those two roles claimed, setting looks fishy.

JAG · 03-17-2011, 12:41 PM

Setting = something. Assuming EF doesn't claim one of the roles someone else today has, I would be interested why he couldn't talk about it.

The Jackal · 03-17-2011, 12:41 PM

I'm feeling better and better about an EF vote today.

The Jackal · 03-17-2011, 12:42 PM

Hopefully he can check in sometime before the deadline.

tyketime · 03-17-2011, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by The Jackal

Guess we certainly can't rule out CF or J23 either, neither of them have revealed have they? I know CF was getting trust for saying he had one of the items, and J had votes on Jeff and DV on days 2 and 3.

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J23 votes DarthVilus (553) 1 [Jeff 1, DarthVilus 1]
J23 unvotes DarthVilus (667) 0
J23 votes DarthVilus (748) 4 [DarthVilus 4, Narcizo 2, Bhlloy 1, Tyketime 1, JAG 1]

I'm going to look back at the votes as well, but off the top of my head, J23's votes would be pretty ballsy for another wolf, right? Both were fairly critical at the time.

The Jackal · 03-17-2011, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by tyketime

I'm going to look back at the votes as well, but off the top of my head, J23's votes would be pretty ballsy for another wolf, right? Both were fairly critical at the time.

Yeah, he's pretty high on my trust scale. I was mostly thinking out loud about the remaining players, trying to decide/remember why we hadn't discussed some of us in a few days.

mckerney · 03-17-2011, 12:47 PM

After looking at voting records, if there was a wolf on DV yesterday it was EagleFan. Jackal put the 3rd vote on DV when every other candidate had 1, J23 put the 4th vote on him when Narcizo had 2 and everyone else 1. I don't think any wolf puts those votes out when they already know they're losing one wolf that day.

JAG · 03-17-2011, 12:47 PM

I wouldn't vote EF until I hear from him myself.

Zinto · 03-17-2011, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by JAG

Setting = something. Assuming EF doesn't claim one of the roles someone else today has, I would be interested why he couldn't talk about it.

It would be a really poor wolf play to claim a role that would be refuted by the village whenever that villager got on the game. Maybe you buy yourself one day and there is only a 50% chance of that happening.

mckerney · 03-17-2011, 12:50 PM

I may move my vote from Autumn, but it'd be onto either EF or Martin. If people want to vote me that's fine, it seems like a good chance that we get a wolf tomorrow if we go with me today.

EagleFan · 03-17-2011, 12:51 PM

Glad I chexked back.

unvote bhlloy

Vote mckerney

mckerney · 03-17-2011, 12:51 PM

Is the seer able to use conditional scan targets? If not and we're going to lynch me just make sure I'm up in the lynch votes so bholly can use the scan on someone else.

JAG · 03-17-2011, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Zinto

It would be a really poor wolf play to claim a role that would be refuted by the village whenever that villager got on the game. Maybe you buy yourself one day and there is only a 50% chance of that happening.

I Absolutely agree. It just means I'm trying to figure out what EF was doing when pre your reveal I just assumed he was Connie.

Zinto · 03-17-2011, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by JAG

I Absolutely agree. It just means I'm trying to figure out what EF was doing when pre your reveal I just assumed he was Connie.

Fair enough. I was just concerned that I screwed up by revealing by your reaction. I just assumed if Mckerney goes down then there is a decent chance that Bhlloy scaned me since he has stated his mistrust of me many times during the game.

Autumn · 03-17-2011, 12:59 PM

Trying to catch up now that I can get in regularly. I'll try and vote before deadline.

J23 · 03-17-2011, 01:00 PM

I think the last two wolves are between Autumn, MartinD and EF at this point. I'm just hoping to find out some info from EF before I decide where to put my vote for today.

EagleFan · 03-17-2011, 01:00 PM

As for the why jeff question. I thought for certain that mckerney was trying to tell us something when he posted that he would not switch off jeff. I didn't want to come out and say that and get him killed if he was the seer as I thought. Then his floundering Nd reveal blew that theory and make me suspicious of him.

mckerney · 03-17-2011, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by EagleFan

As for the why jeff question. I thought for certain that mckerney was trying to tell us something when he posted that he would not switch off jeff. I didn't want to come out and say that and get him killed if he was the seer as I thought. Then his floundering Nd reveal blew that theory and make me suspicious of him.

I think I'd posted that I was willing to switch from Jeff.

JAG · 03-17-2011, 01:04 PM

Maybe EF was trying to draw one or both roles out? It still seems like a lame play when the wolves weren't doing that badly.

mckerney · 03-17-2011, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by J23

I think the last two wolves are between Autumn, MartinD and EF at this point. I'm just hoping to find out some info from EF before I decide where to put my vote for today.

I have it down to those three on suspects right now.

EagleFan · 03-17-2011, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by J23

I think the last two wolves are between Autumn, MartinD and EF at this point. I'm just hoping to find out some info from EF before I decide where to put my vote for today.

Last chance to post before meeting starts. Why would I go from jeff to darth when I did if I was a wolf. Especially with the same assumption as everyone else that jeff was going to be killed by jag?

mckerney · 03-17-2011, 01:05 PM

Unvote Autumn
Vote EagleFan

Autumn is my 2nd on my list for who I think is wolves, EF is currently at the top though.

The Jackal · 03-17-2011, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by EagleFan

Last chance to post before meeting starts. Why would I go from jeff to darth when I did if I was a wolf. Especially with the same assumption as everyone else that jeff was going to be killed by jag?

To buy trust by voting out a wolf who wasn't being particularly helpful, is the counter to that statement. We're all pretty sure at least one wolf was on Darth to gain trust, and day 3 is your only wolf voting thus far, as opposed to a bunch of us who voted for wolves day 2 and 3. Tough spot for the wolves having so many villagers be on the ball this game.

JAG · 03-17-2011, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by EagleFan

As for the why jeff question. I thought for certain that mckerney was trying to tell us something when he posted that he would not switch off jeff. I didn't want to come out and say that and get him killed if he was the seer as I thought. Then his floundering Nd reveal blew that theory and make me suspicious of him.

If EF is a villager, then this misunderstanding ending up allowing us to catch two wolves is hilarious. I have to admit I think this would be a pretty bad and/or desperate play for a wolf, so I'm going back to Autumn for the first time.

Vote Autumn

mckerney · 03-17-2011, 01:13 PM

Unvote EagleFan
Vote Autumn

Or if people want to go this way instead I'm fine with it.

JAG · 03-17-2011, 01:14 PM

I would think one of Martin, EF, or Autumn would give you the best chance of scanning a wolf bhlloy, as others have suggested.

Autumn · 03-17-2011, 01:15 PM

I don't have time to post much, I've tried to read in a hurry. It seems the reveals are coming out so I'll reveal that I'm Phillip Tattaglia, so a vote here is a bad idea for two reasons. I'm not sure who's left who hasn't revealed, but clearly it's time to just put the cards on the table and find the last two.

The Jackal · 03-17-2011, 01:16 PM

I'll hear what Autumn has to say before placing my vote, I wouldn't mind seeing any of these three's allegiances.

The Jackal · 03-17-2011, 01:17 PM

You would reveal as a role that gets two people killed! Smart reveal, whether it's true or not.

tyketime · 03-17-2011, 01:17 PM

This is what I now have:

Mckerney 3 -- MartinD (880), Narcizo (905), EF (974)
Autumn 4 -- CrimsonFox (884), Tyketime (929), JAG (987), Mckerney (988)
EF 0
Bhlloy 0

Not voted: TheJackal, Autumn, Bhlloy, Zinto, J23

bhlloy · 03-17-2011, 01:18 PM

CF is not cleared right now in my book. He really only has the one good vote, although it is a very good one on Jeff to tie him back up with Sal on Day 1. If Autumn were to turn up wolf that would make that vote look a little worse in my book, as the wolves would know they had at least one vote in their back pocket to save Jeff if things went badly. Either way it's a critical vote and would be a very ballsy move for a wolf to make.

I actually thought CF was the one playing most like a wolf in the early part of the game and we were pretty close to lynching him at one point for missing day 1, but the vote went the other way and he really hasn't been in the conversation since. Some of this might be personal because he led the charge against me, but I think his logic has been a bit all over the place TBH. But that doesn't make him a wolf of course, and that Day 2 vote does look very very good.

The Jackal · 03-17-2011, 01:19 PM

CF also admitted to having and passing one of the items, bh, which seemed like a dumb move for a wolf at the time. But could've been another trust buying exercise, since chances were the person with the gun/canoli was going to kill a good guy anyways (but JAG handled that well).

Autumn · 03-17-2011, 01:19 PM

Yeah, I know, it's the kind of role you hate to have if you're forced to reveal. I actually was going to reveal this morning to start narrowing down the vote but just couldn't get on.

JAG · 03-17-2011, 01:19 PM

That was why I voted Autumn actually. That would be the role I would expect a wolf to reveal as since a villager that comes forward to challenge it gives the wolves a bonus kill. But I agree, it looks like we've entered reveal-land and there's basically almost nowhere left to hide.

Autumn · 03-17-2011, 01:20 PM

I'm not sure where to vote, I haven't had time to update my spreadsheet. I don't see voting McKerney though when he's revealed as a neutral role. We have two wolves still hiding out, who hasn't revealed?

JAG · 03-17-2011, 01:21 PM

For CF, Lathum voted him up to 6 when Jeff was in the running, so that looks a bit better for him.

bhlloy · 03-17-2011, 01:21 PM

I don't like McKerney as a wolf at all. But Autumn's reveal is a very good one as well. Ugh, not a great situation. I'd really like to see the vote swing back to EF here. McKerney doesn't answer any questions assuming he's on the level about his role and it's a bad play at this point IMO.

Vote EF

03-17-2011, 12:51 PM	#974
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	Glad I chexked back. unvote bhlloy Vote mckerney __________________ The EagleFan YouTube Channel - Reactions Soarin' & Scratchin' YouTube Channel - We react to music, videos, TV, we talk, we are planning some field trips Soarin' & Soothin' - Meditation, Relaxation, and Sleep Aid; mental health is important

03-17-2011, 01:00 PM	#980
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	As for the why jeff question. I thought for certain that mckerney was trying to tell us something when he posted that he would not switch off jeff. I didn't want to come out and say that and get him killed if he was the seer as I thought. Then his floundering Nd reveal blew that theory and make me suspicious of him. __________________ The EagleFan YouTube Channel - Reactions Soarin' & Scratchin' YouTube Channel - We react to music, videos, TV, we talk, we are planning some field trips Soarin' & Soothin' - Meditation, Relaxation, and Sleep Aid; mental health is important

03-17-2011, 12:28 PM	#954
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	Guess we certainly can't rule out CF or J23 either, neither of them have revealed have they? I know CF was getting trust for saying he had one of the items, and J had votes on Jeff and DV on days 2 and 3.

03-17-2011, 12:30 PM	#955
JAG Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: St. Paul, MN	That's the most stunning reveal I could've imagined. In that case, I am highly certain that either Zinto or EF is a wolf.

03-17-2011, 12:32 PM	#957
JAG Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: St. Paul, MN	I am seriously stunned by that.

03-17-2011, 12:35 PM	#958
J23 College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jul 2009	EF, can you reveal the reasons for wanting to vote Jeff and DV now that the seer has been revealed (and not you?). I know you were hesitant before to talk about them.

03-17-2011, 12:35 PM	#959
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	Why are you so stunned?

03-17-2011, 12:35 PM	#960
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	Good point, J, EF had hinted at being the seer. I think he said he was going to be out for the rest of today though.

03-17-2011, 12:36 PM	#962
JAG Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: St. Paul, MN	Alright, I'm going to think about this a bit.

03-17-2011, 12:41 PM	#965
JAG Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: St. Paul, MN	Setting = something. Assuming EF doesn't claim one of the roles someone else today has, I would be interested why he couldn't talk about it.

03-17-2011, 12:41 PM	#966
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	I'm feeling better and better about an EF vote today.

03-17-2011, 12:42 PM	#967
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	Hopefully he can check in sometime before the deadline.

03-17-2011, 12:47 PM	#970
mckerney Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	After looking at voting records, if there was a wolf on DV yesterday it was EagleFan. Jackal put the 3rd vote on DV when every other candidate had 1, J23 put the 4th vote on him when Narcizo had 2 and everyone else 1. I don't think any wolf puts those votes out when they already know they're losing one wolf that day.

03-17-2011, 12:47 PM	#971
JAG Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: St. Paul, MN	I wouldn't vote EF until I hear from him myself.

03-17-2011, 12:50 PM	#973
mckerney Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	I may move my vote from Autumn, but it'd be onto either EF or Martin. If people want to vote me that's fine, it seems like a good chance that we get a wolf tomorrow if we go with me today.

03-17-2011, 12:51 PM	#975
mckerney Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	Is the seer able to use conditional scan targets? If not and we're going to lynch me just make sure I'm up in the lynch votes so bholly can use the scan on someone else.

03-17-2011, 12:59 PM	#978
Autumn Head Coach Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bath, ME	Trying to catch up now that I can get in regularly. I'll try and vote before deadline.

03-17-2011, 01:00 PM	#979
J23 College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jul 2009	I think the last two wolves are between Autumn, MartinD and EF at this point. I'm just hoping to find out some info from EF before I decide where to put my vote for today.

03-17-2011, 01:04 PM	#982
JAG Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: St. Paul, MN	Maybe EF was trying to draw one or both roles out? It still seems like a lame play when the wolves weren't doing that badly.

03-17-2011, 01:05 PM	#985
mckerney Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	Unvote Autumn Vote EagleFan Autumn is my 2nd on my list for who I think is wolves, EF is currently at the top though.

03-17-2011, 01:13 PM	#988
mckerney Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	Unvote EagleFan Vote Autumn Or if people want to go this way instead I'm fine with it.

03-17-2011, 01:14 PM	#989
JAG Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: St. Paul, MN	I would think one of Martin, EF, or Autumn would give you the best chance of scanning a wolf bhlloy, as others have suggested.

03-17-2011, 01:15 PM	#990
Autumn Head Coach Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bath, ME	I don't have time to post much, I've tried to read in a hurry. It seems the reveals are coming out so I'll reveal that I'm Phillip Tattaglia, so a vote here is a bad idea for two reasons. I'm not sure who's left who hasn't revealed, but clearly it's time to just put the cards on the table and find the last two.

03-17-2011, 01:16 PM	#991
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	I'll hear what Autumn has to say before placing my vote, I wouldn't mind seeing any of these three's allegiances.

03-17-2011, 01:17 PM	#992
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	You would reveal as a role that gets two people killed! Smart reveal, whether it's true or not.

03-17-2011, 01:17 PM	#993
tyketime College Benchwarmer Join Date: Nov 2003	This is what I now have: Mckerney 3 -- MartinD (880), Narcizo (905), EF (974) Autumn 4 -- CrimsonFox (884), Tyketime (929), JAG (987), Mckerney (988) EF 0 Bhlloy 0 Not voted: TheJackal, Autumn, Bhlloy, Zinto, J23

03-17-2011, 01:18 PM	#994
bhlloy Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2003	CF is not cleared right now in my book. He really only has the one good vote, although it is a very good one on Jeff to tie him back up with Sal on Day 1. If Autumn were to turn up wolf that would make that vote look a little worse in my book, as the wolves would know they had at least one vote in their back pocket to save Jeff if things went badly. Either way it's a critical vote and would be a very ballsy move for a wolf to make. I actually thought CF was the one playing most like a wolf in the early part of the game and we were pretty close to lynching him at one point for missing day 1, but the vote went the other way and he really hasn't been in the conversation since. Some of this might be personal because he led the charge against me, but I think his logic has been a bit all over the place TBH. But that doesn't make him a wolf of course, and that Day 2 vote does look very very good.

03-17-2011, 01:19 PM	#995
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	CF also admitted to having and passing one of the items, bh, which seemed like a dumb move for a wolf at the time. But could've been another trust buying exercise, since chances were the person with the gun/canoli was going to kill a good guy anyways (but JAG handled that well).

03-17-2011, 01:19 PM	#996
Autumn Head Coach Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bath, ME	Yeah, I know, it's the kind of role you hate to have if you're forced to reveal. I actually was going to reveal this morning to start narrowing down the vote but just couldn't get on.

03-17-2011, 01:19 PM	#997
JAG Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: St. Paul, MN	That was why I voted Autumn actually. That would be the role I would expect a wolf to reveal as since a villager that comes forward to challenge it gives the wolves a bonus kill. But I agree, it looks like we've entered reveal-land and there's basically almost nowhere left to hide.

03-17-2011, 01:20 PM	#998
Autumn Head Coach Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bath, ME	I'm not sure where to vote, I haven't had time to update my spreadsheet. I don't see voting McKerney though when he's revealed as a neutral role. We have two wolves still hiding out, who hasn't revealed?

03-17-2011, 01:21 PM	#999
JAG Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: St. Paul, MN	For CF, Lathum voted him up to 6 when Jeff was in the running, so that looks a bit better for him.