OT: The FOFC Music Draft

[Subby]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

I give vtbub the best value pick in that category. Bucc and Maple Leafs made nice picks, too.

The fifth pick in the draft is a value pick?

I have Butter with the late round steal...

[Maple Leafs]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

I give vtbub the best value pick in that category. Bucc and Maple Leafs made nice picks, too.

I think Satisfaction was a steal in round two.

[Maple Leafs]

Originally Posted by Subby

Epic

Freebird is the hands-down winner here.

[Buccaneer]

Originally Posted by Subby

Classic

1.1 Stairway to Heaven - Led Zeppelin - Subby
1.3 Like a Rolling Stone - Bob Dylan - NoMyths
1.5 Yesterday - The Beatles - vtbub
1.10 Hotel California - Eagles - Oilers9911
2.2 Satisfaction - The Rolling Stones - Buccaneer
3.2 Foxy Lady- Jimi Hendrix - Lathum
8.3 A Change is Gonna Come - Sam Cooke - lordscarlet
8.6 What a Wonderful World - Louis Armstrong - Maple Leafs
9.4 Goodbye Yellow Brick Road - Elton John - Butter_of_69
10.5 ntdeacon

Looking back on the three picks I sent in to ML, Stairway was on there and I also had Hey Jude. But seeing later that I had 1.9, those two had gone off but I was very, very glad that it did so Crappy could get Satisfaction in there for me.

[Subby]

Arena - Final

1.7 - Welcome to the Jungle, Guns 'N Roses - Maple Leafs
3.4 - Rock and Roll (Part Two), Gary Glitter - Butter_of_69
3.9 - Born in the U.S.A., Bruce Springsteen - Buccaneer
4.8 - Where the Streets Have No Name, U2 - NoMyths
5.8 - You Shook Me All Night Long, AC/DC - lordscarlet
6.1 - Rock and Roll All Night, Kiss - Oilers9911
6.4 - Enter Sandman, Metallica - vtbub
6.5 - Do You Feel Like We Do, Peter Frampton - ntndeacon
6.9 - Iron Man, Black Sabbath - Lathum
8.10 - Mama I'm Coming Home, Ozzy Osbourne - Subby

[Buccaneer]

Originally Posted by Maple Leafs

I think Satisfaction was a steal in round two.

Esp. considering that it was voted the #1 song on some lists (as well as Stairway).

[st.cronin]

Butter's pick in the Arena category stands out as being really, really bad.

[wade moore]

Originally Posted by Maple Leafs

Why me? I'm pretty sure Nena was eaten by wolves immediately after recording 99 Luftballoons.

Not you, sorry, whoever did Lee Greenwood - NoMyths was it?

[Subby]

Trendsetter - Final

1.2 - Smells Like Teen Spirit, Nirvana - Lathum
1.6 - Good Vibrations, The Beach Boys - ntndeacon
2.3 - Rapper's Delight, The Sugarhill Gang - lordscarlet
2.4 - Heartbreak Hotel, Elvis Presley - Maple Leafs
2.6 - Rock Around the Clock, Bill Haley and The Comets - vtbub
2.8 - Respect, Aretha Franklin - NoMyths
6.2 - Johnny B. Goode, Chuck Berry - Buccaneer
6.10 - Like a Virgin, Madonna - Subby
8.1 - Blitzkrieg Bop, The Ramones - Oilers9911
8.7 - Heart of Glass, Blondie - Butter_of_69

[Buccaneer]

Originally Posted by Maple Leafs

Freebird is the hands-down winner here.

I think Bohemian is more popular among the general population.

I'm thinking 2112 should be up there but that's what I get for paying strict attention to the category.

[Subby]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

Butter's pick in the Arena category stands out as being really, really bad.

I think it was a reach for sure. Had it gone in round 7 or later I would have called it inspired.

[Maple Leafs]

Originally Posted by Subby

Arena

[Buccaneer]

Originally Posted by Subby

I think it was a reach for sure. Had it gone in round 7 or later I would have called it inspired.

Let's call all bad or miscategorized picks "reach" instead of "very, very bad", k?

[st.cronin]

In hindsight, Lathum's trendsetter pick looks pretty decent. You've got to give that category to lordscarlet, though.

[Buccaneer]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

In hindsight, Lathum's trendsetter pick looks pretty decent. You've got to give that category to lordscarlet, though.

Would that have won One-Hit category?

Would the hip hop/rap folks consider Rapper's Delight a trendsetter?

[wade moore]

Originally Posted by Buccaneer

Would that have won One-Hit category?

Would the hip hop/rap folks consider Rapper's Delight a trendsetter?

From - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hip_hop_music#History

As hip hop became popular, performers began speaking while the music played, and became known as MCs or emcees. In 1979, the first commercially issued hip hop recordings were released: "Rapper's Delight" by The Sugarhill Gang which became a Top 40 hit on the U.S. Billboard pop singles chart. 'Rapper' in reference to music was actually coined by this song.

It literally named the genre.

This pick is, by FAR, the most direct trend setter. There's really no argument about it imo.

[Buccaneer]

1979??? I swore that it was later in the 80s. Well, no wonder.

[Maple Leafs]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

In hindsight, Lathum's trendsetter pick looks pretty decent. You've got to give that category to lordscarlet, though.

Yes. The Trendsetter category ended up being a bit a trainwreck. Not as bad as Crossover, but if I had it to do over again I would have thought it out better. Generally if the category is poorly defined, knocking it out of the park early is the best way to go.

(Still, I have to ask -- how long did the trend that Nirvana set last? Five years? You're telling me Heartbreak Hotel or Rock Around the Clock didn't have a bigger impact? Really? Why am I writing in all question marks? When did I turn into Bill Simmons?)

[Maple Leafs]

Originally Posted by wade moore

This pick is, by FAR, the most direct trend setter. There's really no argument about it imo.

As a big time rap fan, the only argument against Rapper's Delight would be that you could argue that it didn't actually set any trends, it was just the first rap song to be mainstream hit. If it had never existed, then another song would have been first -- it didn't actually influence the genre, because the genre had already existed for years. White America just didn't know about it. You could even argue that some of the NWA stuff that came later did more to actually change the direction of rap music.

Still, I think the pick works, especially in comparison to some of the others.

[wade moore]

Originally Posted by Maple Leafs

Yes. The Trendsetter category ended up being a bit a trainwreck. Not as bad as Crossover, but if I had it to do over again I would have thought it out better. Generally if the category is poorly defined, knocking it out of the park early is the best way to go.

(Still, I have to ask -- how long did the trend that Nirvana set last? Five years? You're telling me Heartbreak Hotel or Rock Around the Clock didn't have a bigger impact? Really? Why am I writing in all question marks? When did I turn into Bill Simmons?)

I think some view Nirvana as a more direct trend setter than those. I don't know that I agree, but I think that's the issue.

fwiw, I thought crossover was a trainwreck of a definition.. either it had a poor definition or a poor name.. seems crossover just means that an artist performed in a style they don't normally do or got success in the mainstream in a genre that does not normally where your definition seemed to point to some sort of joint effort.

I thought the epic definition could have been better, but everyone seemed to pick more to what me is an epic than what the definition was.

I thought the trendsetter definition was fine, but that people abused it a little.

[wade moore]

Originally Posted by Maple Leafs

As a big time rap fan, the only argument against Rapper's Delight would be that you could argue that it didn't actually set any trends, it was just the first rap song to be mainstream hit. If it had never existed, then another song would have been first -- it didn't actually influence the genre, because the genre had already existed for years. White America just didn't know about it. You could even argue that some of the NWA stuff that came later did more to actually change the direction of rap music.

Still, I think the pick works, especially in comparison to some of the others.

Yeah, I think that logic could be used for every trendsetter, ever essentially.

[Maple Leafs]

Originally Posted by wade moore

fwiw, I thought crossover was a trainwreck of a definition.. either it had a poor definition or a poor name.. seems crossover just means that an artist performed in a style they don't normally do or got success in the mainstream in a genre that does not normally where your definition seemed to point to some sort of joint effort.

Agreed.

[wade moore]

Originally Posted by Maple Leafs

Agreed.

Hope you didn't take offense to that btw... just thinking for the next time..

I think this draft should definitely be done again, even next week if you wanted, or a long time from now - but with 10 new categories.

[Maple Leafs]

Originally Posted by wade moore

Yeah, I think that logic could be used for every trendsetter, ever essentially.

Well, yes and no. Say what you want about Nirvana, but when they came along suddenly every garage band in North America was copying them. You had bands coming out with albums that sounded completely different than their stuff had in the past. Rapper's Delight didn't really change much of what people were already doing, although it did make it possible for those people to get airtime.

[wade moore]

Originally Posted by Maple Leafs

Well, yes and no. Say what you want about Nirvana, but when they came along suddenly every garage band in North America was copying them. You had bands coming out with albums that sounded completely different than their stuff had in the past. Rapper's Delight didn't really change much of what people were already doing, although it did make it possible for those people to get airtime.

I don't think you understand the grunge movement if this is what you think.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grunge

A seminal release in the development of grunge was 1986's Deep Six compilation, released by C/Z Records (later reissued on A&M). The record featured multiple tracks by six bands: Soundgarden, the Melvins, Green River, Malfunkshun, Skin Yard, and the U-Men; for many of them it was their first appearance on record. The artists had "a mostly heavy, aggressive sound that melded the slower tempos of heavy metal with the intensity of hardcore".^[7] As Sub Pop producer Jack Endino recalled, "People just said, 'Well, what kind of music is this? This isn't metal, it's not punk, What is it? '[. . .] People went 'Eureka! These bands all have something in common.'" Later in '86 Bruce Pavitt released the Sub Pop 100 compilation as well as Green River's Dry As A Bone EP as part of his new label Sub Pop. An early Sub Pop catalog described the Green River EP as "ultra-loose GRUNGE that destroyed the morals of a generation".^[11]

A good 5 years before Nevermind was released grunge was being recorded.

[wade moore]

Hell, this says Mudhoney was commercially successful before Nirvana, just not as successful..

In November 1988, Sub Pop took their initial step towards popularizing grunge with the Sub Pop Singles Club, a subscription service that would allow subscribers to receive singles by local bands on a monthly basis by mail. This increased grunge's following locally, and allowed Sub Pop to become a powerful company in the local scene. According to Sub Pop founders Bruce Pavitt and Jonathan Poneman, grunge's popularity began to flourish after journalist Everett True from the British magazine Melody Maker was asked by them to write an article on the local music scene. This helped to make grunge known outside of the local area during the late 1980s, giving the genre its first major spurt of popularity.^[12] Mudhoney is often credited as having been the biggest commercial success for grunge during this time, and was the most successful grunge band until the end of the 80s.^[13] Still, grunge would not become a huge national phenomenon in the US until the 1990s.

[Maple Leafs]

Originally Posted by wade moore

A good 5 years before Nevermind was released grunge was being recorded.

Oh sure it was. Nirvana didn't invent anything by a long shot.

But when they came along, it seemed like suddenly everyone started doing grunge. You couldn't get away from it. Labels were racing to sign anyone with long hair who mumbled. And that was Nirvana's influence, make no mistake.

Grunge had been around for a while, but Nirvana was the tipping point.

[vtbub]

Originally Posted by Subby

Classic

1.1 Stairway to Heaven - Led Zeppelin - Subby
1.3 Like a Rolling Stone - Bob Dylan - NoMyths
1.5 Yesterday - The Beatles - vtbub
1.10 Hotel California - Eagles - Oilers9911
2.2 Satisfaction - The Rolling Stones - Buccaneer
3.2 Foxy Lady- Jimi Hendrix - Lathum
8.3 A Change is Gonna Come - Sam Cooke - lordscarlet
8.6 What a Wonderful World - Louis Armstrong - Maple Leafs
9.4 Goodbye Yellow Brick Road - Elton John - Butter_of_69
10.5 ntdeacon

Not surprising that 4 1st rounders were spent here. Eight solid picks, though I'm surprised the Beatles fell to 5. Edge to Subby.

[vtbub]

Originally Posted by Subby

Epic

1.4 - Bohemian Rhapsody, Queen - Butter_of_69
2.1 - American Pie, Don McLean - Oilers9911
2.5 - Another Brick in the Wall, Pink Floyd - ntdeacon
2.9 - Baba O'Riley, The Who - Lathum
3.1 - Free Bird, Lynyrd Skynyrd - Subby
3.3 - The End, The Doors - NoMyths
3.7 - Layla, Derek and the Dominoes - vtbub
5.5 - Thriller, Michael Jackson - Maple Leafs
6.3 - Space Oddity, David Bowie - lordscarlet
9.9 - 2112, Rush - Buccaneer

Solid, solid bunch. Maybe Light My Fire for the Doors. Thriller a steal. I like American Pie

[Maple Leafs]

Originally Posted by vtbub

Eight solid picks

Originally Posted by Subby

List of nine picks

Spit it out, who whiffed?

[vtbub]

Originally Posted by Maple Leafs

Spit it out, who whiffed?

Hendrix.

Aren't we still waiting for deacons?

[st.cronin]

I actually think that Hendrix pick isn't bad in itself. It was just bad strategerizing.

[vtbub]

I think Hendrix would have been a dead lock sinch for Epic, Cover or Arena. He certainly belongs, just not there.

[vtbub]

Arena Rocker

1.7- Welcome To The Jungle-G'N'R ML
3.4- Rock and Roll Part 2- Garry Glitter Butter
3.9- Born In The USA- Springsteen Bucc
4.8- Where the Streets Have No Name- U2 NoMyths
5.8- You Shook Me All Night Long- AC/DC lordscarlet
6.1- Rock and Roll All Night- Kiss Oilers9911
6.4- Enter Sandman- Metallica vtbub
6.5- Do You Feel Like I Do- Peter Frampton ntndeacon
6.9- Iron Man- Black Sabbith Lathum
8.10- Mama, I'm Coming Home- Ozzy Subby

[adubroff]

Originally Posted by wade moore

A good 5 years before Nevermind was released grunge was being recorded.

Of course, but a trendsetter is not the inventor of something, it's the popularizer of that thing. In fashion, it's not the designer, it's the celebrity who wears it.

[Lathum]

I'll be able to make my next pick when it comes up

[Lathum]

who is up BTW

[vtbub]

deacon, i think

[Subby]

Originally Posted by vtbub

Arena Rocker

1.7- Welcome To The Jungle-G'N'R ML
3.4- Rock and Roll Part 2- Garry Glitter Butter
3.9- Born In The USA- Springsteen Bucc
4.8- Where the Streets Have No Name- U2 NoMyths
5.8- You Shook Me All Night Long- AC/DC lordscarlet
6.1- Rock and Roll All Night- Kiss Oilers9911
6.4- Enter Sandman- Metallica vtbub
6.5- Do You Feel Like I Do- Peter Frampton ntndeacon
6.9- Iron Man- Black Sabbith Lathum
8.10- Mama, I'm Coming Home- Ozzy Subby

http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/...&postcount=955

[Subby]

Love Song - Final

4.2 - Imagine, John Lennon - Buccaneer
4.9 - At Last, Etta James - Lathum
5.1 - Lola, The Kinks - Subby
5.7 - My Love, Paul McCartney - vtbub
5.10 - My Heart Will Go On, Celine Dion
6.6 - Unchained Melody, Righteous Brothers - Maple Leafs
6.7 - My Girl, The Temptations - Butter_of_69
7.3 - Can't Get Enough of Your Love Babe, Barry White - NoMyths
7.6 - Baby Love, The Supremes - ntndeacon
7.8 - Unforgettable, Natalie Cole with Nat King Cole - lordscarlet

[Lathum]

looking at the love song list I love my pick assuming people recognize the song.

lola kicks ass also

[ntndeacon]

There were 4 songs I considered for this last spot. All of them would be a wonderful addition to this list. However the song I have chosen is now synonomous with that performer. Who else can I pick but Ol' Blues Eyes?

Classic - 10.5-My Way--Frank Sinatra
Epic - 2.5 - Another Brick in the Wall — Pink Floyd
Arena - 6.5-Do You Feel Like We Do--Peter Frampton
Trendsetter - 1.6 - Good Vibrations - Beach Boys
Love Song -7.6 - Baby Love--The Supremes
One-Hit Wonder - 9.6--Tainted Love--Soft Cell
Party - 8.5-Shout--The Isley Brothers
Crossover - 4.5-I Can't Stop Loving You--Ray Charles
Cover - 5.6 - Proud Mary--Ike and Tina Turner
Anti-Establishment -3.6-London Calling--The Clash

[Lathum]

nice pick!!

[Subby]

Party Song

4.3 - (You Gotta) Fight for Your Right (to Party), Beastie Boys - lordscarlet
4.6 - 1999, Prince - Maple Leafs
5.4 - Celebration, Kool and the Gang - Butter_of_69
7.1 - O.P.P., Naughty by Nature - Subby
7.2 - One Bourbon, One Scotch, One Beer, George Thorogood - Lathum
7.10 - Old Time Rock n Roll, Bob Seger - Oilers9911
8.2 - Girls,Girls,Girls, Motley Crue - Buccaneer
8.4 - Louie Louie, The Kingsman - vtbub
8.5 - Shout, The Isley Brothers - ntndeacon
10.8 - NoMyths

[Subby]

Classic - Final

1.1 Stairway to Heaven - Led Zeppelin - Subby
1.3 Like a Rolling Stone - Bob Dylan - NoMyths
1.5 Yesterday - The Beatles - vtbub
1.10 Hotel California - Eagles - Oilers9911
2.2 Satisfaction - The Rolling Stones - Buccaneer
3.2 Foxy Lady- Jimi Hendrix - Lathum
8.3 A Change is Gonna Come - Sam Cooke - lordscarlet
8.6 What a Wonderful World - Louis Armstrong - Maple Leafs
9.4 Goodbye Yellow Brick Road - Elton John - Butter_of_69
10.5 My Way, Frank Sinatra - ntndeacon

[ntndeacon]

Originally Posted by Subby

Classic - Final

1.1 Stairway to Heaven - Led Zeppelin - Subby
1.3 Like a Rolling Stone - Bob Dylan - NoMyths
1.5 Yesterday - The Beatles - vtbub
1.10 Hotel California - Eagles - Oilers9911
2.2 Satisfaction - The Rolling Stones - Buccaneer
3.2 Foxy Lady- Jimi Hendrix - Lathum
8.3 A Change is Gonna Come - Sam Cooke - lordscarlet
8.6 What a Wonderful World - Louis Armstrong - Maple Leafs
9.4 Goodbye Yellow Brick Road - Elton John - Butter_of_69
10.5 My Way, Frank Sinatra - ntndeacon

Fixed it.

[Subby]

Cover - Final

4.4 - I Will Always Love You, Whitney Houston - vtbub
4.10 - You Really Got Me, Van Halen - Subby
5.6 - Proud Mary, Ike and Tina Turner - ntndeacon
7.4 - Killing Me Softly, The Fugees - Butter_of_69
7.5 - Burning Down the House, Tom Jones & The Cardigans - Maple Leafs
7.9 - I Love Rock 'N Roll, Joan Jett - Buccaneer
8.9 - A Little Help From My Friends, Joe Cocker - Lathum
9.3 - Nothing Compares 2 U, Sinead O'Connor - NoMyths
10.1 - Sweet Jane, Cowboy Junkies - Oilers9911
10.3 - I Shot the Sheriff, Eric Clapton - lordscarlet

[Buccaneer]

Originally Posted by ntndeacon

There were 4 songs I considered for this last spot. All of them would be a wonderful addition to this list. However the song I have chosen is now synonomous with that performer. Who else can I pick but Ol' Blues Eyes?

Classic - 10.5-My Way--Frank Sinatra
Epic - 2.5 - Another Brick in the Wall — Pink Floyd
Arena - 6.5-Do You Feel Like We Do--Peter Frampton
Trendsetter - 1.6 - Good Vibrations - Beach Boys
Love Song -7.6 - Baby Love--The Supremes
One-Hit Wonder - 9.6--Tainted Love--Soft Cell
Party - 8.5-Shout--The Isley Brothers
Crossover - 4.5-I Can't Stop Loving You--Ray Charles
Cover - 5.6 - Proud Mary--Ike and Tina Turner
Anti-Establishment -3.6-London Calling--The Clash

I seriously considered Sinatra but I didn't have a spot to put him after my first 5 picks.

[Buccaneer]

Originally Posted by Lathum

looking at the love song list I love my pick assuming people recognize the song.

I'm going on song recognition.

By the way, never heard of your song or artist for that matter.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Buccaneer

I'm going on song recognition.

By the way, never heard of your song or artist for that matter.

ever been to a wedding?